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can tp2 playback hd video?
atleast 720p resolution???
it wud b great
since tp2 has dedicated graphics chip
and may be if we can overclock it!!
it wud be really nice to show off to frends its capability
plz reply i will b getting it after few days
thanks so much in advance
I think it's safe to say that it's impossible to play anything at 720p since our device's screen resolution is "only" 800x480 (720p=1280x720). That being said, video at or above our device's native screen res looks absolutely gorgeous (much better than the iphone's 480x320). You'll need to invest in Coreplayer if you want to watch anything though since the built-in player is very limited in the formats it supports.
Check out the last part of this video for some more info on video playback of the TP2.
yes bro i had seen tat review before
it states max 720*480 i guess
neways its still cool though my old UNIversal did tat too very well
was expecting a bit more
neways thanks for the reply
In theory, if a device were powerful enough, it could play back a 720p video and downscale it to the resolution of the TP2 screen on the fly. However, the TP2 doesn't even come close to having that kind of power. (The HD2 might).
CorePlayer will play a much wider range of video formats than the inbuilt video apps, but it's not free (costs $30) and, annoyingly, it's unable to make use of GPU-acceleration on the TP2. The same applies to all video player apps except the built-in ones - they run on the CPU only. This means you are rather restricted in terms of resolutions and bit-rates.
If you want something that will play a wide range of video formats and which doesn't cost any money, try TCPMP - you'll need the version from this post. When installed, choose DirectDraw as your video rendering method, then go into the DirectDraw settings page and tick the box that says "use blitting instead of overlays". TCPMP is significantly slower even than Coreplayer, but it does at least support AC3 audio, which Coreplayer doesn't, and, as I said, it's free.
However, for the best playback quality you should convert your videos into .MP4 format (on your desktop PC) and then play them on your TP2 using HTCAlbum. This is fully hardware-accelerated and can easily handle 800x480 mp4 videos (i.e. the TP2's full screen resolution) with a respectable bit-rate (e.g. 750kb/s). If you go to this thread or this one you will find two different desktop PC applications that are designed to convert videos into the optimum format for playback on a TP2 or Touch HD. The conversion can take quite a while, depending on the speed of your PC, but the results are very good, especially for HD source material.
There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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There is every point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4891185&postcount=168
And what were you planning on playing an 800x480 xvid with on the TP2? You certainly can't use Coreplayer or TCPMP.
Shasarak said:
There is every point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4891185&postcount=168
And what were you planning on playing an 800x480 xvid with on the TP2? You certainly can't use Coreplayer or TCPMP.
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On a practical level, it's easier for me to batch transcode multiple 720p sources while I'm at work and then load, say, multiple 130MB and 400MB files onto an 8GB memory card that stuffed with mp3's and other videos than to copy just a couple of 2GB-4GB HD movies. I can understand your point about the practicality of having one file to deal with, but that's impractical on other levels simply due to file size.
The OP was referring to watching 720p videos on the TP2 in HD resolutions because the horizontal resolution is 800. It was pointed out that it doesn't work like that.
I've watched 624 X 352 xvid encoded avi's from HD sources and they aren't any less sharp than 800 X 480 transcoded mp4 files.
Some digital cameras like Sony TX1, etc already capture video in 1280x720p mp4 format. So it would be great if TP2 can play these smoothly. That would eliminate the need to re-encode videos that is very time consuming. And I can keep the same file for playback on both the phone as well as on computer and TV. At present, the hardware seems not powerful enough for TP2 to play these without dropping frames. When phones that come with with Nvida ION chips arrive, that would solve the problem. Adobe and NVidia have demonstrated how their chipset can play back full 1280x720p Flash video (H.264) at 30fps.
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There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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yeah i agree but its not about space
i mean a small music video which i wud like to share with everyone,etc
Samsung Omnia HD plays back these videos easily though it has a 800mhz proccy and a more powerful graphics chip but still i was eager if its possible!!
it wud surely help to carry some small HD video files than whole movies
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On a practical level, it's easier for me to batch transcode multiple 720p sources while I'm at work and then load, say, multiple 130MB and 400MB files onto an 8GB memory card that stuffed with mp3's and other videos than to copy just a couple of 2GB-4GB HD movies. I can understand your point about the practicality of having one file to deal with, but that's impractical on other levels simply due to file size.
The OP was referring to watching 720p videos on the TP2 in HD resolutions because the horizontal resolution is 800. It was pointed out that it doesn't work like that.
I've watched 624 X 352 xvid encoded avi's from HD sources and they aren't any less sharp than 800 X 480 transcoded mp4 files.
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Thank you.
My Tilt 2 has trouble playing divx at 624X352 at full screen. My old Tilt can play the same 624X352 divx with no trouble at full screen. Both phones are using the same coreplayer with same settings. It looks like the Tilt 2 has trouble scaling 624X352 to full screen. The video looks pretty smooth on the tilt 2 if I play it portrait. Once I maximize the video to landscape full screen, the video stutters. I lighly doubt that Tilt 2 will able to play anything high def smoothly. I've also tested the same video on my friends BlackjackII. Her phones plays the same video smoothly at full screen. In case anyone wants to know Tilt 2 has 528mhz process while Tilt has 400mhz and BJII has 260mhz.
i searched google and to my astonishment, this TP2 still doesnt have the graphics acceleration?????!!!!!!!!!
holy **** why did i order this handset!!!
feeling like doomed, i was well off with my old faithful universal
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My Tilt 2 has trouble playing divx at 624X352 at full screen. My old Tilt can play the same 624X352 divx with no trouble at full screen.
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That's not surprising, since the Tilt's 640 x 480 screen necessitated letterboxing, so it didn't have to scale the video up. With a 800 x 480 screen, the video has to be upscaled on the fly.
That said, I can play the same xvid files you're talking about smoothly albiet with a dropped frame here and there (sound is perfect). This is with Coreplayer on my Sprint TP2. I have around 120MB of free storage memory -- I know that low storage memory can affect performance.
Why can't HTC just install 1GB of internal storage memory for all of their phones already? At least I have way more storage memory on the TP2 than the Diamond, but then again, I've only had the TP2 for 10 days.
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That's not surprising, since the Tilt's 640 x 480 screen necessitated letterboxing, so it didn't have to scale the video up. With a 800 x 480 screen, the video has to be upscaled on the fly.
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WHEN DID THE TILT/KAISER GET 680*480 screen???
its the plain ugly 320*240 screen
You're correct, I was thinking the tilt was the touch pro since the tilt 2 is the touch pro 2. The tilt is the mogul.
Can anyone confirm if the playback of BBC Iplayer videos are flawless like on the iphone?
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Thanks for your comments guys. Had the desire for about 3 weeks now, and can say that Beebplayer plays videos at a 'watchable' quality over Wifi. It's not as good as the iphone (Which I will give a 10/10 to, because of its perfect quality and smooth framerates), but you have to take into consideration that videos on Iplayer are also specifically converted for iphones, while BeebPlayer uses a copy of the video converted for standard phones. Eastenders, for example, is a ~30 minute soap which is only 42MB in total to stream...
All in all, its okay. Should be better when Flash 10.1 comes round.
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seems to play fine. only tested one show using beebplayer. worked fine! not great quality unfortunately but more than watchable and seems pretty good!
evildead - did you have to pause the show for it to stream for a little while, or did you click play from the beginning and the video finished without stuttering?
On the slashgear review they said that you had to pause and wait for the whole video to stream first...kinda stupid..
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evildead - did you have to pause the show for it to stream for a little while, or did you click play from the beginning and the video finished without stuttering?
On the slashgear review they said that you had to pause and wait for the whole video to stream first...kinda stupid..
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im pretty sure it depends on the connection speed so as phones dont have speeds we have in computers then you gotta pause it for a bit to let it load
Worded fine for me via beebplayer - incidentrally, opening up the iPlayer website and selecting a vid to watch gave me the option to use beebplayer which worked a treat.
streamed over 3G/H and played fine from the start, no need to pause.
nope. on a 10mb wifi connection no need to pause. Took approximately 15 seconds to load on it. Tried it on 3G and the same. The quality is halved (as is the file size when on HSDPA.. think thats what it is) so no stuttering at all.
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Worded fine for me via beebplayer - incidentrally, opening up the iPlayer website and selecting a vid to watch gave me the option to use beebplayer which worked a treat.
streamed over 3G/H and played fine from the start, no need to pause.
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Beebplayer is great for watching iPlayer (available in the market)
Thanks guys. Reassuring to know it works, as that is what I will be doing 80% of my time.
I've checked streaming via beeb player as well as streaming directly from news.bbc.co.uk - both worked fine on 3G.
Are you guys having a larf? I tried this on my Desire last night and BBC1 played at about 3 frames/sec in VERY crude video.
Right beside it was my iPod Touch playing smooth in high res.
And both were on wifi.
Does this thing really play content properly?
I think we need to wait for the official iplayer app for android, which has already been announced by the BBC.
http://www.neowin.net/news/bbc-announces-news-and-sport-apps-for-iphone-android-and-blackberry
Seeing as the BBC Trust has shelved the News and Sports apps for the time being, perhaps the Beeb will turn their attentions to the Android iPlayer app instead? [SUGGESTION]
To confirm my experience of the beeb player app so far on the desire is flawless on both 3g and wifi connection. obviously quality suffers on 3g but load times were fantastic. I always assumed it was the network speed making it run slow on my G1 but on this phone same network same location runs alot smoother!
Yup. They all work perfectly. Never tried it on my iPhone so can't comment but this works 100%
checked out the beeb player app
yeh, works ok, thought the quality of the vid was relatively poor tho, still...cant complain too much as its free and the only option at the moment.
Not an app i'll be showing of to my former bredren (the iphone users)!
Don't forget that you have to factor in that you're watching it on a screen that is higher res than the iphone - think watching SD content on a standard CRT TV as compared to watching SD on a Hi-Def LCD/Plasma - the SD content will actually look better on the CRT. Same difference between iPhone and HTC Desire. The Desire will come into it's own with higher res material....
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Don't forget that you have to factor in that you're watching it on a screen that is higher res than the iphone - think watching SD content on a standard CRT TV as compared to watching SD on a Hi-Def LCD/Plasma - the SD content will actually look better on the CRT. Same difference between iPhone and HTC Desire. The Desire will come into it's own with higher res material....
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For sure,
y'know i miss the ability to just fire up the iplayer mobile site on my iphone or watch tvcatchup but i'm prepared to wait for the goodness to start rolling in on the Desire, it is after all a brand new device
Beebplayer works fine for me here, I tried watching Jonathan Ross which worked ok, but I get a problem whereby the audio and video is slightly out of sync, probably 1/2 a second. Anyone else getting this?
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y'know i miss the ability to just fire up the iplayer mobile site on my iphone or watch tvcatchup
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Can't you watch the TVcatchup on the desire?
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Can't you watch the TVcatchup on the desire?
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not as far as i can tell ! tried it last night and got the adverts to play (prior to the channel) but as soon as it was over i got an error !!
ill post on / browse their site in a while and find out whats up with that.
It'll only be a matter of time i guess
Maybe theres an android app in the works
After a very frustrating week of trying to get feature length movies on my desire I have all but given up hope. I am able to convert and copy some movies and get them to run without the dreaded "This video cannot play" error message. Most that do play still play with out of sync sound, if they play at all. Occasionally, one plays correctly but I believe this is more an accident then a cure. I have tried several converters and every conceivable setting. I have come to the conclusion that this is a problem with the phone and most probably with the implementation of the operating system. I have an unbranded Desire that was purchased from an authorized dealer in Hong Kong. I have not attempted to root the phone or modify it in any way.
If anyone has had success at consistently putting feature length movies on their desire please post your methods. I am at the point where I believe this needs to be fixed with and update from HTC. I can only assume that the same problem exits on the Nexus One.
What types of files are you converting them into?
I myself have only put 2 episodes onto the device because most of mine are avi
and i cant be bothered to convert them, but the 2 iv tried are both .wmv and work fine.
Phil750123 said:
What types of files are you converting them into?
I myself have only put 2 episodes onto the device because most of mine are avi
and i cant be bothered to convert them, but the 2 iv tried are both .wmv and work fine.
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I have tried several converters designed for Nexus One or Desire. They all seem to want to convert to mpeg4. Some of the converters show that they are using an h264 codec. I have tested the converted files on my pc using Media Player Classic then if they run I copy and paste to the phone directory. A few actually work as planned. Most do not. I am converting avi, xvid and divix files that I have downloaded. They work fine on my Windows 7 computer using just about any video player (I have several).
The fact that an occasional feature film converts and works suggests to me that the HTC operating system is buggy. I would love to be proven wrong on this.
Here is a follow-up to my efforts. I actually purchased three converters and also tried some free ones. The converter called Any video converter Professional seems to have the best success rate. I have been using the setup on most of these with profiles for the Nexus One because the Desire is identical (as far as I know) in the video sense. Most of these converters have not yet offered updates to include a profile labeled Desire (but a few have and they are the worst).
I have spent many hours trying to get this to work consistently because I travel a lot and intended to use the phone for videos. I have been able to get as many as two working feature films onto my 16gb Kingston sd card, but adding even one more causes corruption of the entire card. That spells operating system problems to me. I also tried this with the original 4gb sd card with the exact same results. Anyone with consistent success at this please post your methods.
I just put movie 2012 on my phone with sound.. successfully.... MP4 format works great.. I use DVDFAB works great.. i have used it for many years burning movies, and has always worked great for iphone,wm phone and BB now Desire as well.. check it out.. you get a 30day trial then have to buy get lifetime upgrades..
www.dvdfab.com
I use HandBrake, a freeware, to convert my DVDs and video files, it works great
but remember to set the Video Codec to H.264(x264), an opensource codec which works great on Android
also the Target Size should be less than 2GB as Android doesn't play file bigger than 2GB
http://handbrake.fr/
Good luck!
Putting one feature length film on the sd card often works. It is the act of adding more than one (and always more than two) that causes the problems. When I add the second or third movie I get videos that won't play or corruption of the entire card. I have tried putting them in the same folder and also tried putting them in the root of the card. I started thinking that it was a size limit in the operating system? So to nail this, we would need to successfully put three or more feature length films on the sd card so that they work. I have a 16gb card installed so this is not a memory problem.
ok, I placed two movies on my Desire, Star Trek and Avatar, using resolution 640x???
and they worked. So I think you should give Handbrake a try...
but I don't know why the files are corrupting your card, is your card faulty? I'm just guessing
After rather exhaustive experimentation I found the solution to this problem. It has to do with the bps rate. Most conversions programs default to 1200 or 1500bps for their conversion. I know cause I tried most of them. When I set the bps rate to 768 using Any Video Converter Pro the problem is solved. Odd thing is that the phone shows the resulting rate at 888bps for every video I convert at 768bps. No matter, it works. I did try Handbrake but found it to be way too slow. I am using an i7 processor with Windows 7 and I want to be able to use all the available threads for fast conversion. Any Video Converter Pro has an option for that and it works using all 8 threads. This also seems to resolve the video/sound sync problem that I was experiencing with some conversions. Must be a limit with the Android operating system.
I use iLove converter.... the iPhone profile works perfectly!
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I use iLove converter.... the iPhone profile works perfectly!
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Great but the iphone is 320 x 480 and the desire is 480 X 800 ... do you see what I'm getting at?
I'm gonna wait for a good program with a Desire/Nexus1 optimised preset
You may give the Miro Video Converter a try too.. It has a Nexus One preset which does the trick nicely.
http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/
Earlier I had this issue with the sound being of low quality (too low a bitrate), but the latest version seems to have fixed this.
I haven't tried feature length but I use handbrake to convert tv eps - edited the iphone profile so that width is set to 800 and height is blank to keep files to the right resolution for the screen (although check your source files, if they are less than 800px width there's no point upscaling them here). I usually then set the target size to 350mb for a tv episode. This gives me decent quality and works well.
For playback I'm using mvideoplayer it's great
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Great but the iphone is 320 x 480 and the desire is 480 X 800 ... do you see what I'm getting at?
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All my video is encoded at 320x480 using Handbrakes iPhone profile so that it can be used on my wifes iPod Touch as well as my Desire. Despite the fact that it doesn't use the extra resolution of the Desire, it looks perfectly fine on a small screen using Meridian for playback.
Regards,
Dave
manny calavera said:
You may give the Miro Video Converter a try too.. It has a Nexus One preset which does the trick nicely.
Earlier I had this issue with the sound being of low quality (too low a bitrate), but the latest version seems to have fixed this.
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It's got a Desire preset too!
Best thing to use in my experience is winavi to 3gp/mp4 convertor. It converts in no time at all, i tend to convert to 3gp as they take up the least amount of space but quality of playback/sound is still excellent.
I use the aplayer app to play the 3gp file.
Found this handbrake tutorial with settings tweaked for the Nexus One: http: //thegreencodeblog.com/2010/04/11/how-to-get-movies-on-your-android-device/
Haven't received my Desire yet but tried encoding a few movies. Took about 20 minutes for a 2 hour movie on my quad core PC.
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It's got a Desire preset too!
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I downloaded the Miro Video Converter from their site today. I found no Desire setting only Nexus One. I converted one xvid video it resulted in the wrong aspect and gave the dreaded "This Video cannot play" message. Bps rate was also too high and there is no way to change settings on that player. If there is a newer version I cannot find it on their site: http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/
Any Video Player Pro with a bps setting at 768 and set for Nexus One is still the only converter I find consistently working.
Am I the only one who uses the app yxflash? I just copy the AVI files from my computer to my phone, no converting or anything, and it works like a charm.
http://www.mobilesoft.kr/android.html
10$, and believe me it is worth every penny
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I downloaded the Miro Video Converter from their site today. I found no Desire setting only Nexus One. I converted one xvid video it resulted in the wrong aspect and gave the dreaded "This Video cannot play" message. Bps rate was also too high and there is no way to change settings on that player. If there is a newer version I cannot find it on their site: http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/
Any Video Player Pro with a bps setting at 768 and set for Nexus One is still the only converter I find consistently working.
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Strange, Miro consistently works for me.
So after reading up and finding that video playback isnt brilliant on the tp2 i thougt i would do some tests.
my goal was to find an easy way to watch films. I dont really want to have to convert all my films to mp4 and use the htc album, but i dont really want to have to switch of sense and soft reset every time i have a spare 1/2 hour.
So using the same footage I ran multiple formats on the following players:
coreplayer, TCMP, Media Player and HTC album.
Not really sure how conclusive it is ( and there is certainly more testing that can be done)
i am going to try using MP4forHD to convert the file a last time and try that on all players
have a look at the results and let me know what you think
So basically what you're saying is that the only videos that work are the original AVI and some MP4s with coreplayer without Sense turned on. That sucks.
Interesting results. I have never bothered trying with sense or spb mobile shell off, but for most videos I watch (640x320 or something close, i.e., vga resolution), they seem to work ok on the tilt2. I get some annoying pixelation with TCMP, but the default windows media player seems to play them pretty crisply and smoothly. the only tradeoff there is WMP is pretty low on the totem pole feature wise.
it also seems odd to me that your results get worse when sense is turned off. It's more intuitive that it would work better if you have more ram available. Could this be an issue with a custom rom you flashed? I am using the stock ATT with spb mobile shell. Did you try a different media file?
I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
so you dont need to turn off sense.
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I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
so you dont need to turn off sense.
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True, that makes sense. Still not sure why things get worse with Sense off, but maybe that is just the human side of the measurement, as they do all look pretty close between the two sets? And actually, it gets better for Core, worse for TCMP, and then about the same for the other two.
Do you think it would be worth trying with a different SD card, or better: trying a small video loaded from the device? If you play from the device, you at lease take the age/quality of the SD card out of the experiment as a variable. Even though you wouldn't watch a video from the device in real life, it may be a better way to benchmark, unless you are benchmarking for a specific card.
I think adding a streaming file to the test would be interesting too. Anyway, thanks for the research on this. It is a very interesting topic, imo.
The muisc player wasn't working for me either, and movies really sucked! nothing would play.
I switched roms and now everything works, music plays and comes up in the player, and movies look and play good.
I converted with AVS here are my settings:
Video codec: MPEG4(divX/Xvid compatible)
Audio codec: MPEG2/4 Audio
Frame Size:
Width: 368
Height: 208
Frame Rate:
Bitrate: 520
File Type: mp4 PSP
Channels: Stereo Sample Size: 16bit
Sample Rate: 48000Hz Bitrate: 128kbps
I watched on the built in player and didn't have to turn anything off, my fully charged battery lasted for almost 4 hours of nearly constant use ( i turned it off after i got under ~7% left).
PocketDiVXEncoder
hard to go wrong with PocketDiVXEncoder
http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/EN_index.htm
its free, and makes amazingly good playable .avi's out of almost anything
the 1.7mb :30 second clip attached below was encoded at 300k video/96k audio, and the whole movie is about 390megs @ this level of quality.
Anything made in PDE thats <= 1200k/128k/640x480 seems to play flawlessly in COREplayer
my issue is that if i have to convert any file to anyformat its a real pain.
on the td2 i could tranfer a avi fil from my laptop to the sd card and watch the film no problem.
now i have to convert it to a mp4 or something and to a particular resolution
ok so its about 40mins but its a pain
so bearing in mind that this does need to be done
whats the best format ( i am leaning to mp4)
whats the best resolution settings
whats the best prog ( i am using mp4for hd at the moment)
cheers
Hi,
i was wondering if anybody knows a good alternative to the default video player on the desire HD.
I'm not expecting Dolby/SRS support since no player except for the default player seems to have that but are there any that apart from showing a name can play continuously (start at a selected video and just keep going) or better yet can play continuously wile shuffling through the available video's?
i have about 140 music video's on my desire HD and it's just annoying to have to select the next one every time and well... no shuffle.
real player seemed promising since u can just jump to the next video manually before the one your watching ends but that feature doesn't seem to work... at least not yet.
i did check google first but all i got was topic's from 2008...
-anubis
I have tried several to date and have found them all to be disappointing to be frank. They may or may not remember the position in the video you are watching or they distort the screen or they have a clunky interface.
I've been using Rock player for the last few days and it is guilty of all three listed above.
I would be interested to hear of something that delivers:
Video position memory
Multiple format support
Sensible zoom/re-size modes
Sleek interface
I have bneen using vplayer and it seems quite nice, can't comment on the issued mentioned above but I shall do some research and get back to you.
I'm using vplayer beta 4, changed to pay version after this and only time limited trial for b5 forwards. Works great plays all formats resizes well to screen and saves location when file stopped. Had much more consistent results than with rockplayer and streams fine with quick seeking from twonky media server without needing to transcode.
i tried vplayer,
i loved the gesture's for the player, but was not to fond of the file browser and it cant play next video
but i also found mvideo player,
which has a excellent browser (just looks a bit more... modern) has good gesture's (still kind of prefer vplayer's) but can play the next video after the current one ends
not perfect but a lot better then the default.. apart from the no dolby (it makes a HUGE difference on my in-ear headphone's) but the pro's outweigh the con's so it's my new video player until the default one is worth a damn.
ow and it also has excellent scaling.