can tp2 playback hd video?
atleast 720p resolution???
it wud b great
since tp2 has dedicated graphics chip
and may be if we can overclock it!!
it wud be really nice to show off to frends its capability
plz reply i will b getting it after few days
thanks so much in advance
I think it's safe to say that it's impossible to play anything at 720p since our device's screen resolution is "only" 800x480 (720p=1280x720). That being said, video at or above our device's native screen res looks absolutely gorgeous (much better than the iphone's 480x320). You'll need to invest in Coreplayer if you want to watch anything though since the built-in player is very limited in the formats it supports.
Check out the last part of this video for some more info on video playback of the TP2.
yes bro i had seen tat review before
it states max 720*480 i guess
neways its still cool though my old UNIversal did tat too very well
was expecting a bit more
neways thanks for the reply
In theory, if a device were powerful enough, it could play back a 720p video and downscale it to the resolution of the TP2 screen on the fly. However, the TP2 doesn't even come close to having that kind of power. (The HD2 might).
CorePlayer will play a much wider range of video formats than the inbuilt video apps, but it's not free (costs $30) and, annoyingly, it's unable to make use of GPU-acceleration on the TP2. The same applies to all video player apps except the built-in ones - they run on the CPU only. This means you are rather restricted in terms of resolutions and bit-rates.
If you want something that will play a wide range of video formats and which doesn't cost any money, try TCPMP - you'll need the version from this post. When installed, choose DirectDraw as your video rendering method, then go into the DirectDraw settings page and tick the box that says "use blitting instead of overlays". TCPMP is significantly slower even than Coreplayer, but it does at least support AC3 audio, which Coreplayer doesn't, and, as I said, it's free.
However, for the best playback quality you should convert your videos into .MP4 format (on your desktop PC) and then play them on your TP2 using HTCAlbum. This is fully hardware-accelerated and can easily handle 800x480 mp4 videos (i.e. the TP2's full screen resolution) with a respectable bit-rate (e.g. 750kb/s). If you go to this thread or this one you will find two different desktop PC applications that are designed to convert videos into the optimum format for playback on a TP2 or Touch HD. The conversion can take quite a while, depending on the speed of your PC, but the results are very good, especially for HD source material.
There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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There is every point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4891185&postcount=168
And what were you planning on playing an 800x480 xvid with on the TP2? You certainly can't use Coreplayer or TCPMP.
Shasarak said:
There is every point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4891185&postcount=168
And what were you planning on playing an 800x480 xvid with on the TP2? You certainly can't use Coreplayer or TCPMP.
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On a practical level, it's easier for me to batch transcode multiple 720p sources while I'm at work and then load, say, multiple 130MB and 400MB files onto an 8GB memory card that stuffed with mp3's and other videos than to copy just a couple of 2GB-4GB HD movies. I can understand your point about the practicality of having one file to deal with, but that's impractical on other levels simply due to file size.
The OP was referring to watching 720p videos on the TP2 in HD resolutions because the horizontal resolution is 800. It was pointed out that it doesn't work like that.
I've watched 624 X 352 xvid encoded avi's from HD sources and they aren't any less sharp than 800 X 480 transcoded mp4 files.
Some digital cameras like Sony TX1, etc already capture video in 1280x720p mp4 format. So it would be great if TP2 can play these smoothly. That would eliminate the need to re-encode videos that is very time consuming. And I can keep the same file for playback on both the phone as well as on computer and TV. At present, the hardware seems not powerful enough for TP2 to play these without dropping frames. When phones that come with with Nvida ION chips arrive, that would solve the problem. Adobe and NVidia have demonstrated how their chipset can play back full 1280x720p Flash video (H.264) at 30fps.
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There is no point in running 720P video on a 3.6", 480 x 800 screen. Properly encoded XVIDs look and run great on the screen and take up a fraction of the space on the memory card.
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yeah i agree but its not about space
i mean a small music video which i wud like to share with everyone,etc
Samsung Omnia HD plays back these videos easily though it has a 800mhz proccy and a more powerful graphics chip but still i was eager if its possible!!
it wud surely help to carry some small HD video files than whole movies
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On a practical level, it's easier for me to batch transcode multiple 720p sources while I'm at work and then load, say, multiple 130MB and 400MB files onto an 8GB memory card that stuffed with mp3's and other videos than to copy just a couple of 2GB-4GB HD movies. I can understand your point about the practicality of having one file to deal with, but that's impractical on other levels simply due to file size.
The OP was referring to watching 720p videos on the TP2 in HD resolutions because the horizontal resolution is 800. It was pointed out that it doesn't work like that.
I've watched 624 X 352 xvid encoded avi's from HD sources and they aren't any less sharp than 800 X 480 transcoded mp4 files.
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Thank you.
My Tilt 2 has trouble playing divx at 624X352 at full screen. My old Tilt can play the same 624X352 divx with no trouble at full screen. Both phones are using the same coreplayer with same settings. It looks like the Tilt 2 has trouble scaling 624X352 to full screen. The video looks pretty smooth on the tilt 2 if I play it portrait. Once I maximize the video to landscape full screen, the video stutters. I lighly doubt that Tilt 2 will able to play anything high def smoothly. I've also tested the same video on my friends BlackjackII. Her phones plays the same video smoothly at full screen. In case anyone wants to know Tilt 2 has 528mhz process while Tilt has 400mhz and BJII has 260mhz.
i searched google and to my astonishment, this TP2 still doesnt have the graphics acceleration?????!!!!!!!!!
holy **** why did i order this handset!!!
feeling like doomed, i was well off with my old faithful universal
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My Tilt 2 has trouble playing divx at 624X352 at full screen. My old Tilt can play the same 624X352 divx with no trouble at full screen.
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That's not surprising, since the Tilt's 640 x 480 screen necessitated letterboxing, so it didn't have to scale the video up. With a 800 x 480 screen, the video has to be upscaled on the fly.
That said, I can play the same xvid files you're talking about smoothly albiet with a dropped frame here and there (sound is perfect). This is with Coreplayer on my Sprint TP2. I have around 120MB of free storage memory -- I know that low storage memory can affect performance.
Why can't HTC just install 1GB of internal storage memory for all of their phones already? At least I have way more storage memory on the TP2 than the Diamond, but then again, I've only had the TP2 for 10 days.
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That's not surprising, since the Tilt's 640 x 480 screen necessitated letterboxing, so it didn't have to scale the video up. With a 800 x 480 screen, the video has to be upscaled on the fly.
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WHEN DID THE TILT/KAISER GET 680*480 screen???
its the plain ugly 320*240 screen
You're correct, I was thinking the tilt was the touch pro since the tilt 2 is the touch pro 2. The tilt is the mogul.
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converted some films to MP4 and on core player they are very stuttery
res 720 x 480
what are the best set up settings people are using for core player
thanks in advance
i play movies with CorePlayer without converting them.
I just copy paste my 700Mb AVI/DivX (1h30 min) movie onto my memory card, and it plays perfectly : smooth playback, and clear picture.
So need to convert anything.
I use the basic settings from Coreplayer... Works out of the box !
Even with my old Kaiser, it was playing well after some tweaking.
+1 same here...no conversion needed. I play a 1 1/2 hours avi movie with coreplayer with the default setting directly from my microSD 16GB with no problem. Smooth running too. Btw, this is my first time watch a full movie on my TP2, usually i only watch a small clip/trailer movie.
Very impression performance too.
Hunt down the pocketnow.com TP2 review. In one of their videos in the review, they do some benchmarking and come up with their ideal resolution and bitrate. It may not be final for you, but it's bound to be useful info.
use built in player for mp4 format! it uses the hardware effectively! i dont think coreplayer can utilize the hardware optimally nevertheless it is a good video player for many formats.
hello need a player who can play hd videos ( coreplayer, tmcpm, windows media, divix mobile etc ) dont work what can i do ? i cant play avis or some other videos on the x1 rom is toutchit v11 leo german please help me!
Let me Google that for you.
X1's hardware can barely play SD videos with acceptable quality/frame rate, let alone HD...
Another thing - the screen is 800x480 and it is not capable for any of the HD resolutions (720p/1080i/p). There are not enough pixels to display HD content. DVD (NTSC) video resolution is 720x480 and that's eventually the best you can get as a resolution off X1.
X1's hardware is capable (of SD), just use the normal WinMo Media Player instead of others which cannot make use of hardware accel.
Use the tool provided by XDA to convert your movies to mp4. Those can be played in high res 800 X 480 with wmp or the media xperience panel.
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X1's hardware can barely play SD videos with acceptable quality/frame rate, let alone HD...
Another thing - the screen is 800x480 and it is not capable for any of the HD resolutions (720p/1080i/p). There are not enough pixels to display HD content. DVD (NTSC) video resolution is 720x480 and that's eventually the best you can get as a resolution off X1.
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...i played video with more pixels than screen have...it was about (854*480) in .flv format, played in CorePlayer...i have few videos of that size, some of them plays fine, some of them are played in low frame rate(few per second only)...so its depends on hardware speed, not screen resolution...
armin van buuren-love you more.flv, is 864*480,and it plays very good...video is downloaded from youtube via savevid.com
I've posted links, so you can see...
I use mp4 format and this is this same what HD quality
Hi I have just started using handbrake and I am a little baffled. What settings or programs do use to encode video for the Desire?
I tried one encode to .mp4 using h.264 codec however I only get the sound and no video. Any help would be appreciated....
use Mpeg-4 instead of h.264 at 800x480px, works fine
I use the built in settings for the iphone and it works fine!
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
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use Mpeg-4 instead of h.264 at 800x480px, works fine
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Hi how do you set the size to 800x480 and maintain the original aspect ratio?
There is no way. 800x480px is the max resolution to use. If you have a file with a lower res, leave it at that.
Oh I see, I'll give that a go....
It's really odd that there isn't a decent video player app out there.....
you can set the width to 800px and pres the keep aspect ratio. that will set the height to whatever is needed to keep the aspect ratio.
If your after a decent media player try nemoplayer (I cant post the link to the thread but the thread number is 598509)
I converted a video to [email protected], it stuttered a little with the default player, but played perfectly with nemoplayer.
As for conversion, I have found Xilisoft to be very good, I paid for it to convert videos for my iPod Touch as it has great default profiles and its very quick as it uses all 4 cores of my CPU.
For the settings it depends on the video but I have been using the following settings for x264 MP4 video, these settings should work with any video converter.
16x9 video:
1000Kbps
192Kbps audio (for movies and music videos, 128 might be good enough for most)
resolution 800x450
It leaves the smallest of boarders top and bottom but it retains the corrent aspect ratio
4x3 video
800Kbps
192Kbps
reolution 640x480
that`s an overkill. 800 Kbps @23 fps, 96k audio is well enough. It plays fine on default video player. Smaller file size as well.
I tied 800Kbps and found it looked no better than the music videos I purchased from itunes which are smaller again and have a lower resolution.
I suppose the best thing to do is play about with bit rate for the video and go with what you are happy with, file size isnt a big issue for me when it comes to movies or TV shows as I tend to only have one or two on the SD card at a time.
As for audio please anything lower than 128kbps should be illegal
There's actualy a very nice thread on these forums discussing the settings for the HTC topaz and which programs to use, but since google turns up this thread as the first one I guess I'll add a little comment here as well.
Any converter should work to convert video to the right format, it doesn't matter which one u use, as long as your converter has the options to set the video bitrate, audio bitrate, aspect ratio, frames per sec and maybe some extra audio settings. I use format factory and It works great.
Mp4 format with AVC H264 videocoding is the way to go. how you turn the settings out is up to you and the space on your SD card (or lack of one).
I use the following settings to play HD video on my HTC Topaz:
-MP4 format
-AVC (H264) videocoding on 512 bitrate (you might go up to 768, but will lag longer videos which you encode from a HD source) and a 800x480 resolution.
-AAC audiocoding on 128 bitrate (indeed the minimum for people with sufficient hearing-capabilities, otherwise you might wanna go lower than that, but not advised as you can definitely hear the difference) and 44100 sample rate.
-Framerate of 25 (fixed, no real need changing this anyway, it's the best framerate out there, any higher will probably slow down your video on mobile devices)
-aspect ratio of 4:3 (you can pretty much set this one however you like, as long as you don't let it decide automaticaly. if you're not sure about your aspect ratio use this setting)
These settings work great on Topaz and are probable to work for other HTC models, as long as they have a maximum resolution of 800x480. One more thing is to notice that your HTC device (at least starting from Topaz (touch diamond 2) has the ability to playback HD content. You can test above settings with videos downloaded from the HD sample site from microsoft. point is the HD playback only works on the standard player coming with your device (windows mediaplayer) because the decoders are not freely given to other developers and therefore no other video playback program has them implemented in their mobile player.
Hope this helped.
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If your after a decent media player try nemoplayer (I cant post the link to the thread but the thread number is 598509)
I converted a video to [email protected], it stuttered a little with the default player, but played perfectly with nemoplayer.
As for conversion, I have found Xilisoft to be very good, I paid for it to convert videos for my iPod Touch as it has great default profiles and its very quick as it uses all 4 cores of my CPU.
For the settings it depends on the video but I have been using the following settings for x264 MP4 video, these settings should work with any video converter.
16x9 video:
1000Kbps
192Kbps audio (for movies and music videos, 128 might be good enough for most)
resolution 800x450
It leaves the smallest of boarders top and bottom but it retains the corrent aspect ratio
4x3 video
800Kbps
192Kbps
reolution 640x480
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I installed Nemoplayer, but it only displays the videos in my DCIM folder? I have tried to move my test video over to that folder too, but it still can't find it. I converted it to mp4 with format factory, at 320 x something so the size should be ok
I usually encode in .mp4 h.264 base profile, max 3 ref frames, 800x640 res max and no cabac or b frames. At constant rate factor of 24 image quality is great and file size impressively small.
Tested on many videos, only mencoder needed, can't get any simpler:
Put this as one line in convert2desire.bat:
mencoder %1 -o "%~n1.mp4" -of lavf -lavfopts format=mp4 -vf dsize=800:480:0,scale=0:0,expand=800:480:-1::::,harddup -sws 9 -ovc x264 -x264encopts crf=24:force_cfr:bframes=0:nocabac:no8x8dct:global_header -oac faac -faacopts br=128:mpeg=4bject=2:raw -af volnorm=1 -channels 2 -srate 44100 -delay 0.3
Then run "convert2desire.bat tobeconvertedvideo.avi"
The resulting file will be tobeconvertedvideo.mp4
Lower crf to have even better quality and larger file.
The -vf parameters will always output a 800x480 file and other screen ratios will be correctly scaled to fit inside 800x480.
Mencoder download:
sourceforge.net/projects/mplayer-win32/files/MPlayer%20and%20MEncoder/revision%2031139/MPlayer-rtm-svn-31139.7z/download
I must say the screen of the Desire is top notch quality!
It is ridiculous how crisp everything looks for such a small device.
Let me know if this script works for you.
Anyone tried doubletwist? It looks like itune, and if we sync video, it will convert it to the format that standard player in desire can play.
I agree on the audio delay in your script, the desire seems to delay video by a little.
i have some avi files i wish to play .. ive tried converting to mp4 and its all scrambled .... any ideas of what program i should use and what settings ??
thanks
chris
You could try rockplayer (http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/rockplayer_media_player_beta_for_android.html ) but i have not tested it myself since my phone is at htc service centre
edit: if you want to convert them, I use badaboom (uses my nvidia gpu so goes fast, although it s not able to convert to the maximum resolution of the phone) or handbrake (which uses cpu)
Hi, not tried myself yet, but just been googling the same question, some report success with:
http://www.any-video-converter.com/products/for_video_free/
others:
http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/ "Videora" for the iphone 3GS (free) on standard settings.
seems to play H263 or H264, and audio in AAC - no codecs yet for divx etc.
Hopefully some others will post here with good software solutions - good ones being free
The RockPlayer works great for avi/divx files on desire, thanks
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Rockplayer is indeed a great AVI player but I have found a few files it plays slow or stutters on, as it's only beta at the moment I'm looking forward to the full release - in the meantime it's a great app to have.
+1, I've also been using rock player for the last couple of weeks and have had no problems with any dvd quality files. I still use mvideoplayer for x264 stuff though as its better for that and the GUI on rock player is poor - visibility is an issue quite often as it's status bar overlay is transparent with a bit of white meaning you often can't see the timecode on bright images.
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You could try rockplayer (http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/rockplayer_media_player_beta_for_android.html ) but i have not tested it myself since my phone is at htc service centre
edit: if you want to convert them, I use badaboom (uses my nvidia gpu so goes fast, although it s not able to convert to the maximum resolution of the phone) or handbrake (which uses cpu)
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hm? gpu converter? I havent seen or tried one yet.
EncodeHD is pretty simple but uses cpu power. http://dcunningham.net/media-tools/encodehd/
I pretty much recommend it if you want 1:1 and dont like messing around with resolutions and compressions.
Badaboom says my system is not compatible. But I got an 8800GT and windows 7. That should be compatible!!!
I did try badaboom now and I'm disapointed actually. It slower then EncodeHD when run from a quad 9300 3GHZ. There doesnt seem to be a way to keep the original resolution either. I mean whats the point to encode to 640x480 or even 800x400 when the original files are only 624x352.
i'm running it on windows 7 x64 with 8600m gt and works like a charm. (for those of you with ati cards there is ati avivo but i have no experience with how it works) @balos no wonder that a cpu based encoder is faster with a 3ghz quad core (i'm only on a dualcore 1.8 ghz). And badaboom not seeing your system as compatible do you have latest drivers installed?
I got it working but it only converts with a disappointing 170fps. When I pick a bigger resolution it even drops to 140fps.
With xmedia encode I can reach 200fps on HTC Desire profile and original resolution of the chosen .avi. On Ipod profile which i used with badaboom where I got 170fps. I can go up to 220fps with other cpu based encoders.
I would recommend Badaboom and similar gpu based converters only when you have a weak cpu or when you need your cpu resources freed for other things.
I'm gonna stick with EncodeHD and Xmedia. Both are free converters and since my cpu is stronger then my gpu and I dont use my computer when I do the converting its the better choice.
Well its true that we got an .avi player now with rock player which even plays them smooth. But .avi format uses about 20% more cpu power then mp4 so it should drain the battery so much faster. If thee is an power source close to where you watch your movies it doesn't really matter.
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i have some avi files i wish to play .. ive tried converting to mp4 and its all scrambled .... any ideas of what program i should use and what settings ??
thanks
chris
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I use Danuisoft Convereter to Convert , but you can use any converter. You just need to make sure that it is set to
Resolutions : 800 x480
Container: MP4
Video Codec H264
Frame rate 29.4
I set my audio codec to AAc or MP3, but thats up to you.
You can choose h264 is the only codec that show thumbnails currently.
If you jhave any questions let me know.
i hope you only converting HDs with that setting because on the usual .avi it would be a waste.
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i hope you only converting HDs with that setting because on the usual .avi it would be a waste.
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I have made multiple tests and these settings are best for HD and SD content .avi included.
What exactly do you mean? Usually tv shows are in 624x352 24fps. 1000kbps
How could you gain anything from using a higher resolution, more fps and bigger bitrate. Makes no sense. The only thing you will get is streach your avarage 350MB file to 500Mb without improved quality.
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What exactly do you mean? Usually tv shows are in 624x352 24fps. 1000kbps
How could you gain anything from using a higher resolution, more fps and bigger bitrate. Makes no sense. The only thing you will get is streach your avarage 350MB file to 500Mb without improved quality.
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Maybe things are different from you, but this works for me. If you have another reccomendation feel free to post your two cents.
no im just wondering how you get out of 24fps 30 and what a bigger resolution brings other then higher cpu usage and slower conversation time. Was always wonering why the cam or TS movie rippers dont just boost the resolution and make HD out of cam rips.
the short answer. It bring nothing. At last nothing good but if it works for you, go with it.
THE real setting for .avi if you want to keep best quality should always be.
h264
keep original fps count
keep original resolution
keep original bitrate.
you may add little sharpness filter.
Best and simpliest converter for this is EncodeHD
So after reading up and finding that video playback isnt brilliant on the tp2 i thougt i would do some tests.
my goal was to find an easy way to watch films. I dont really want to have to convert all my films to mp4 and use the htc album, but i dont really want to have to switch of sense and soft reset every time i have a spare 1/2 hour.
So using the same footage I ran multiple formats on the following players:
coreplayer, TCMP, Media Player and HTC album.
Not really sure how conclusive it is ( and there is certainly more testing that can be done)
i am going to try using MP4forHD to convert the file a last time and try that on all players
have a look at the results and let me know what you think
So basically what you're saying is that the only videos that work are the original AVI and some MP4s with coreplayer without Sense turned on. That sucks.
Interesting results. I have never bothered trying with sense or spb mobile shell off, but for most videos I watch (640x320 or something close, i.e., vga resolution), they seem to work ok on the tilt2. I get some annoying pixelation with TCMP, but the default windows media player seems to play them pretty crisply and smoothly. the only tradeoff there is WMP is pretty low on the totem pole feature wise.
it also seems odd to me that your results get worse when sense is turned off. It's more intuitive that it would work better if you have more ram available. Could this be an issue with a custom rom you flashed? I am using the stock ATT with spb mobile shell. Did you try a different media file?
I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
so you dont need to turn off sense.
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I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
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True, that makes sense. Still not sure why things get worse with Sense off, but maybe that is just the human side of the measurement, as they do all look pretty close between the two sets? And actually, it gets better for Core, worse for TCMP, and then about the same for the other two.
Do you think it would be worth trying with a different SD card, or better: trying a small video loaded from the device? If you play from the device, you at lease take the age/quality of the SD card out of the experiment as a variable. Even though you wouldn't watch a video from the device in real life, it may be a better way to benchmark, unless you are benchmarking for a specific card.
I think adding a streaming file to the test would be interesting too. Anyway, thanks for the research on this. It is a very interesting topic, imo.
The muisc player wasn't working for me either, and movies really sucked! nothing would play.
I switched roms and now everything works, music plays and comes up in the player, and movies look and play good.
I converted with AVS here are my settings:
Video codec: MPEG4(divX/Xvid compatible)
Audio codec: MPEG2/4 Audio
Frame Size:
Width: 368
Height: 208
Frame Rate:
Bitrate: 520
File Type: mp4 PSP
Channels: Stereo Sample Size: 16bit
Sample Rate: 48000Hz Bitrate: 128kbps
I watched on the built in player and didn't have to turn anything off, my fully charged battery lasted for almost 4 hours of nearly constant use ( i turned it off after i got under ~7% left).
PocketDiVXEncoder
hard to go wrong with PocketDiVXEncoder
http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/EN_index.htm
its free, and makes amazingly good playable .avi's out of almost anything
the 1.7mb :30 second clip attached below was encoded at 300k video/96k audio, and the whole movie is about 390megs @ this level of quality.
Anything made in PDE thats <= 1200k/128k/640x480 seems to play flawlessly in COREplayer
my issue is that if i have to convert any file to anyformat its a real pain.
on the td2 i could tranfer a avi fil from my laptop to the sd card and watch the film no problem.
now i have to convert it to a mp4 or something and to a particular resolution
ok so its about 40mins but its a pain
so bearing in mind that this does need to be done
whats the best format ( i am leaning to mp4)
whats the best resolution settings
whats the best prog ( i am using mp4for hd at the moment)
cheers