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Word on the street is the Kaiser will appear on September 3, 2007 via AT&T and be known as the 8925. See http://crunchgear.com/2007/08/09/breaking-att-tilt-price-and-launch-date-leaked/
So, question: Have any of our insider cooks gotten their hands on a Kaiser? And, if so, what's the process like for flashing one? As painless as the 8525, or a chore like the 8125?
While we're talkin' about it, what is the technological spec differences between the Kaiser and Hermes? Other than a fancy flip feature, I cannot see a spec which leads me to believe it's any better than the Hermes.
Thanks,
J
why don't you go read up in the kiaser section of Xda! this is the hermes part. the specs blow the 8525 away go do some research.
I did read up on it prior to the post. But, thanks for the words of wisdom.
Having read up on it, my thoughts are: you are easier to impress than I. As a slower CPU and larger RAM doesn't equal something blowing away something else. In light of that, I thought there was perhaps I was missing.
J
IronManDS said:
I did read up on it prior to the post. But, thanks for the words of wisdom.
Having read up on it, my thoughts are: you are easier to impress than I. As a slower CPU and larger RAM doesn't equal something blowing away something else. In light of that, I thought there was perhaps I was missing.
J
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wow u really need to learn how to read more before posting. the cpu on the kaiser is a qualcomm 400mhz dual core cpu as far as i know. our hermes have a 400mhz since core. difference is that the kaiser has 1 core to handle phone functions and another to handle programs making it superior to the hermes. go on modaco and read what paul has to say. when u add hsupa, 7.2mbps hsdpa, 256 rom, 128 ram, tilt screen, improved scroll wheel, slides other way, touchflo, gps, 3mp with a good night mode and good sensor, better keyboard, lights for function and caps above keyboard, and do all this in a thinner package then u know u got a good upgrade to the kaiser. by the way, roms will be just as easy to cook as on hermes. all u need is to get a kaiser to olipro to do cid and simunlock and hardspl and get a cook like me a kaiser and ull have great roms. i seen the roms and have dumped them so i know.
Thanks for the detailed reply. That's exactly what I was looking for!
As for the CPU, the wiki here states that it's a 384MHz, not 400. But, most other things I've seen say 400. I didn't know it was dual core, so appreciate that info!
And, with the specs as you detailed them, I'm now excited and thinking about an upgrade! But, the wiki's details are not so stimulating
Also, I would imagine you're right re: flashing, as the Kaiser is quite similar to the Hermes. I was just having horrible thoughts of flashing my kid's 8125 and hoping that I wouldn't be buying myself a headache if I purchase the Kaiser.
Thanks again!
J
woa!! its dual core... really awesome too bad the resolution stay the same as hermes if only it was better, like 640x480 or maybe more like toshiba portege G900 having a 800x480 resolution screen...
I can say it`s an awesome device !
IronManDS said:
Thanks for the detailed reply. That's exactly what I was looking for!
As for the CPU, the wiki here states that it's a 384MHz, not 400. But, most other things I've seen say 400. I didn't know it was dual core, so appreciate that info!
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From what I can recall, the Samsung chips outperform Intel chips by a good margin -- when the 300Mhz Samsung was introduced a few years ago it held it's own with the then industry standard Intel PXA 25x clocked at 400Mhz. A 200 Mhz TI OMAP conserves power better than an intel clocked to the same frequency. In that sense, comparing the clock frequencies isn't all that revealing.
Who knows how the Qualcomm chips perform compare to the Samsungs? For all we know a dual Core Qualcomm could be worse that the 400 Mhz Samsung in the Tytn. It's unlikely, but not unprecedented that WinCE PDA specs stagnate or get worse from one generation to another. When HP took over Compaq a few of the iPaq lines ended up with slower processors.
Personally, I'd wait to see some benchmarks on the Kaiser before I buy.
rob.ocelot said:
From what I can recall, the Samsung chips outperform Intel chips by a good margin -- when the 300Mhz Samsung was introduced a few years ago it held it's own with the then industry standard Intel PXA 25x clocked at 400Mhz. A 200 Mhz TI OMAP conserves power better than an intel clocked to the same frequency. In that sense, comparing the clock frequencies isn't all that revealing.
Who knows how the Qualcomm chips perform compare to the Samsungs? For all we know a dual Core Qualcomm could be worse that the 400 Mhz Samsung in the Tytn. It's unlikely, but not unprecedented that WinCE PDA specs stagnate or get worse from one generation to another. When HP took over Compaq a few of the iPaq lines ended up with slower processors.
Personally, I'd wait to see some benchmarks on the Kaiser before I buy.
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I've seen some benchmarks and they all SMOKE the Hermes.
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
thats the spec sheet for the processor. according to it there is a 400mhz application processor and 274mhz microprocessor. also shows hsdpa up to 7.2mbps and hsupa up to 5.76mbps. will be a nice phone with a awesome processor.
but again back to the threat subject - will it be a problem to change the radio rom on the Kaiser ?
I'm not sure if this is still relevant, but a thread at the beginning of June suggested that new handsets with 3G chips from Qualcomm were banned from the USA while a trade dispute was being settled. Has this dispute been settled yet? If not then you guys in the USA may not be seeing your Kaisers for quite some time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310885
The P4550 (aka Kaiser....AKA AT&T 8925 TILT)
Is being released September 3rd only at AT&T.
AGAIN 8925 TILT WILL BE RELEASED SEPT 3rd.
I work for AT&T Wireless....this what I was told.
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The P4550 (aka Kaiser....AKA AT&T 8925 TILT)
Is being released September 3rd only at AT&T.
AGAIN 8925 TILT WILL BE RELEASED SEPT 3rd.
I work for AT&T Wireless....this what I was told.
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Not anymore. It's now been moved back to September 17th so they can get rid of some of the excess 8525's. I heard this directly from an HTC AT&T rep.
So, heard about this from a few sources, but engadget have a hands on video (of sorts) up, heres the link:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/myriad-dalvik-turbo-hands-on-android-apps-just-got-fast/
They say its only going to be available to manufacturers who pay for it, boo!
Am I right in saying, though, that if we manage to get our hands on it, it can be cooked into a custom ROM? So its just a matter of waiting for someone to get hold of a copy?
I'm totally psyched about this, it always amazed me how much worse the Hero performs when compared to an iPhone 3G with a much slower processor. Turns out Google was the ones screwing us over, imagine that!
As for your question, yes I believe it would be doable. For example I've been told that the performance gain in this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=vgi4O5ix3lU&feature=player_embedded
on a nexus one was done through implementing a JIT compiler which is a part of that myriad dalvik turbo dealio.
And hey, if the N1 guys can do it, why wouldn't the Hero ones be able to? Everyone knows that the real pros dev for the Hero!
yes, this was what I was looking forward to most at the MWC
Hopefully with the help of skillful devs, we could have it on hero!
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I'm totally psyched about this, it always amazed me how much worse the Hero performs when compared to an iPhone 3G with a much slower processor. Turns out Google was the ones screwing us over, imagine that!
As for your question, yes I believe it would be doable. For example I've been told that the performance gain in this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=vgi4O5ix3lU&feature=player_embedded
on a nexus one was done through implementing a JIT compiler which is a part of that myriad dalvik turbo dealio.
And hey, if the N1 guys can do it, why wouldn't the Hero ones be able to? Everyone knows that the real pros dev for the Hero!
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In the video they are using the Google JIT as far as i know?:
http://groups.google.com/group/andr...5636f5f532/662b32b98d9b9bba?#662b32b98d9b9bba
http://groups.google.com/group/0xlab-devel/browse_thread/thread/1edef26f4e5b7427
This is different from the commercial Myriad versio (Dalvik Turbo). Google is actively investing in the JIT system:
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/jit-compiler-androids-dalvik-vm.html
Yes of course I realize there's a difference, I was merely comparing the implementation of that jit and dalvik turbo (which, I believe, also includes a jit compiler). Though I am no dev so don't take my word for it, but I am hopeful
And even if dalvik turbo can't be implemented, that jit from the video undoubtedly should be possible, which should result in a performance boost, which really is all that we're after, right?
Yeah, we're on the same page for sure.. It just is a matter which technique is available and stable first and ask some cook to implement it into a rom. It would be sweet to run 2.1 with JIT on the hero faster then optimized 1.5 we run now..
Hrrrm.... The iphone doesn't have a slower processor. Less mhz, yes, but different instruction set. It's like comparing the 550mhz in the Droid/Milestone to the 528mhz in the Hero. The Droid one is roughly 1.8times faster, even at less mhz.
And then there is the OS itself. The iphone OS is desigend for just that one device and for exactly those functions. The apps run native, while under google they run in a Java VM environment. That makes compatible even on other devices with other processors.
You simply can't compare the two.
dipje said:
Hrrrm.... The iphone doesn't have a slower processor. Less mhz, yes, but different instruction set. It's like comparing the 550mhz in the Droid/Milestone to the 528mhz in the Hero. The Droid one is roughly 1.8times faster, even at less mhz.
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Erhhhmmm, the Samsung processor in the iPhone 3G uses a ARM11 core, same as the Qualcomm processor in the Hero, and uses the same instruction set. Whilst both processors are SoCs from different manufacturers you can broadly compare the two processors computing power on a clock-for-clock basis because they share the same processor core.
The iPhone 3GS however, uses an ARM Cortex-A8 core, which is clock-for-clock a fair bit faster than anything based on an ARM11 core. See here for further detail.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Erhhhmmm, the Samsung processor in the iPhone 3G uses a ARM11 core
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Ahh! Thanks. 'Did not know that'. Thought it was a newer ARM set.
But my point still stands, you can't compare the performance of the CPU's because the way apps are compiled and work (and the OS itself) are way to different.
But the iphone 3g still has a (somewhat) dedicated GPU chip in it, right?
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But the iphone 3g still has a (somewhat) dedicated GPU chip in it, right?
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There's a PowerVR MBX-Lite accelerator in the iPhone 3G, which is part of the Samsung SoC (as opposed to a physically separate GPU).
However, similarly, the Qualcomm MSM7200 SoC in the Hero has an Imageon accelerator (formally an ATI/AMD part, but Qualcomm bought the Imageon line).
I've no idea which is supposed to be faster though.
Regards,
Dave
Please, do not forget at these comparisons between iPhone OS and Android,
the iPhone is monotasking.
If you jailbreak your iPhone and run more apps then one iwht the backgrounder app, the speed feeled speed is slower than the Hero speed.
Otherwise also, the 3 months I used my iPhone I found, the it weas getting slower and slower from week to week....
Otherwise also, the 3 months I used my iPhone I found, the it weas getting slower and slower from week to week....[/QUOTE]
+1 to that....
And don't forget minor benefits of the firmware updates....
WP7 calls for a minimum of 1ghz processor.
That does make me think - how come the competition is able to provide smooth UI with 600mhz phones? ie. android / iphone / palm pre?
Is the WP7 so much processor hungry? that is calling for trouble...
your thoughts please.
The demo shown was using non-final build of the OS.
Something like BETA version, not yet final version.
There you would expect: bugs, glitch, errors, etc.
But still, it is quite impressive.
We can only judge the "perfectness" of the OS later when it has been "OFFICIALLY" released.
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WP7 calls for a minimum of 1ghz processor.
That does make me think - how come the competition is able to provide smooth UI with 600mhz phones? ie. android / iphone / palm pre?
Is the WP7 so much processor hungry? that is calling for trouble...
your thoughts please.
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It's about more than just the basic UI. Lots of background stuff going on. All those live tiles need CPU power to populate. The Zune HD with a similar UI is only 600mhz. Microsoft is just setting the bar high so that the entire device is snappy. Compare the experience of an Android phone on a Snapdragon to that of a lesser CPU and there's a big speed difference. Microsoft is just demanding the best and it gives them more room to grow. If they set the bar low, the devices will be obsolete much sooner. Besides, faster stuff will likely be out by the end of the year and 1ghz will be somewhat commonplace. Apple's iPad is 1ghz and if they release an updated iPhone later this year I'd bet it will be 1ghz as well.
who's to say it needs all 1GHz? i think they're doing a great thing by setting that as minimum. our devices would be up to date much longer or at least it will feel that way. It's a good sign for those who don't like upgrading every year, no?
Besides, the Nexus One is 1ghz.... Supersonic will probably be 1ghz..... Everything will be 1ghz by the time wp7 comes out, if not more.
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Microsoft is just setting the bar high so that the entire device is snappy. Compare the experience of an Android phone on a Snapdragon to that of a lesser CPU and there's a big speed difference. Microsoft is just demanding the best and it gives them more room to grow. If they set the bar low, the devices will be obsolete much sooner. Besides, faster stuff will likely be out by the end of the year and 1ghz will be somewhat commonplace. Apple's iPad is 1ghz and if they release an updated iPhone later this year I'd bet it will be 1ghz as well.
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What he said. It's set because it's very doable.. at the end of this year, which manufacturer would expect a new device to be competitive using an old processor? Setting a bare minimum as the minimum would mean that you have 7 Series phones which perform much crappier than others.. a situation they want to avoid.
Plus it's mobile XBox.
My prediction:
Touch HD3
Qualcomm Dual Core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon processor
4.3" OLED Capacitive screen WVGA 800x480
No hardware keyboard
5 MP Camera with auto-focus and flash
aGPS
FM Radio
Windows Phone 7 Series
...
gogol said:
My prediction:
Touch HD3
Qualcomm Dual Core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon processor
4.3" OLED Capacitive screen WVGA 800x480
No hardware keyboard
5 MP Camera with auto-focus and flash
aGPS
FM Radio
Windows Phone 7 Series
...
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the new qualcomm 1.5 ghz chip is not meant for mobile devices till now it is used for mini notebooks the one which will be avaliable for devices is the 1.3 ghz version same specifications as the 1ghz processor but with 45 nm technology( uses less power ) same graphics performance but with 300 mhz over clock speed nearly same performance but less power consumption
Where does it say 1GHz is required? Right: Nowhere.
An ARMv7 processor is required. iPhone/Pre/Droid all have ARMv7 processors.
freyberry said:
Where does it say 1GHz is required? Right: Nowhere.
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i think 1ghz is enough for a mobile os (the win xp runs on 500mhz processor and on 128 of ram )
It's not all about the clock rate. An ARMv7 processor at 500MHz is about twice as fast as an ARMv6 processor at the same clock speed.
(that's why the iPhone 3GS is so much faster than the iPhone 3G, despite only having 200Mhz more)
Windows XP doesn't run on ARM processors at all.
freyberry said:
Where does it say 1GHz is required? Right: Nowhere.
An ARMv7 processor is required. iPhone/Pre/Droid all have ARMv7 processors.
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Microsoft said that Qualcomm was the only silicon provider right now.
Qualcomm said they are pleased that their Snapdragon CPU has been chosen for WP7.
Snapdragon runs at 1ghz+.
Therefore, in effect, the minimum CPU is 1ghz.
chiks19018 said:
WP7 calls for a minimum of 1ghz processor.
That does make me think - how come the competition is able to provide smooth UI with 600mhz phones? ie. android / iphone / palm pre?
Is the WP7 so much processor hungry? that is calling for trouble...
your thoughts please.
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Well I'm sure they could, but Microsoft wants there to be very high minimum specs that developers can expect so that all apps can take advantage of the hardware to its full extent. An example would be the way WinMo apps are now. Most 3D apps aren't very good because the minimum of what developers can expect in a device isn't very high; thus, they have have to make it use as little resources as possible.
Based on what I'm hearing most current 6.X phones will be unsupported unless they pack a Dragoon. I hope the scorpion CPU is used in a win7 phone.
RustyGrom said:
It's about more than just the basic UI. Lots of background stuff going on. All those live tiles need CPU power to populate. The Zune HD with a similar UI is only 600mhz. Microsoft is just setting the bar high so that the entire device is snappy. Compare the experience of an Android phone on a Snapdragon to that of a lesser CPU and there's a big speed difference. Microsoft is just demanding the best and it gives them more room to grow. If they set the bar low, the devices will be obsolete much sooner. Besides, faster stuff will likely be out by the end of the year and 1ghz will be somewhat commonplace. Apple's iPad is 1ghz and if they release an updated iPhone later this year I'd bet it will be 1ghz as well.
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Yep, I would agree this is their plan as well. Personally, I would like to have phone stay pretty current within the 2 year contract I have to sign to get one at a fair price....
Insurance is mandatory on this one...
Ignore this post
RustyGrom said:
Microsoft said that Qualcomm was the only silicon provider right now.
Qualcomm said they are pleased that their Snapdragon CPU has been chosen for WP7.
Snapdragon runs at 1ghz+.
Therefore, in effect, the minimum CPU is 1ghz.
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Snapdragon can run at lower clock rates as well (e.g. 768Mhz in the Acer Liquid).
They also have slower processors besides Snapdragon (though I don't know whether the 7227 is ARMv7, I don't care about low end devices ).
freyberry said:
Snapdragon can run at lower clock rates as well (e.g. 768Mhz in the Acer Liquid).
They also have slower processors besides Snapdragon (though I don't know whether the 7227 is ARMv7, I don't care about low end devices ).
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Any CPU can be underclocked. The "normal" speed for Snapdragons is 1ghz.
Qualcomm specifically mentioned that the Snapdragon had been chosen for WP7.
How about the famous HTC graphic acceleration driver?
I hope this time there will be no more missing graphics driver for WP7!
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How about the famous HTC graphic acceleration driver?
I hope this time there will be no more missing graphics driver for WP7!
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Microsoft said they're providing the drivers for these phones, I think
EDIT: Never mind.
Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
Hope it's interesting
Regards,
B
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up
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Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
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I only have access to the European portal atm.
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
domineus said:
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.
45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.
Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.
krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?
Hi Everybody!
Someone could please tell me why these two smartphones are a lot faster than our wildfire?
I don't think it depends on the CPU frequency because they are faster also versus the overclocked wildfire.
On these smartphones, in example, angry birds runs better than well! You can find gameplays on youtube!
I tryied playing on a gt-i5500 and the gameplay it's like on the iphone
I don't think these smartphones have a GPU...
So, why the wildfire, which cost a lot more, is so slow??? Please help me to understand
Wildfire costs more because of the brand. For example, a SOny TV is much more expensive than a LG of the same specs because of the brand`s name and history.
ok!
now, why it is so slow?
Its because it uses a very old CPU, with no GPU, and, utilizes the Sense Interface, which requires a lot of processing power.
the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
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the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
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Ideos doesn't
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
so, wildfire with cyanogenmod (no SENSE) with overclock should be faster than ideos
but you can see that this is not true!
i would like to understand how much this slowness is hardware or software related, because if it is software related ( opengl driver, ecc) maybe can be fixed
what do you think?
The wildfire cannot do angry birds due to the lack if gpu it is reallllly low framerate
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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The i5500 does have a smaller screen (2.8" vs 3.2"), but, the resolution is the same (240x320), which implies the number of pixels on the screen are the same.
Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
TH3KiD said:
Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
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Ideos has an overclock CPU (made directly by Huawei) at 600Mhz.
I am saying that it has a GPU named "ADRENO 200"
interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
ch.wirapraja said:
interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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so which is faster? ideos or galaxy 5?