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How good is the music playback from the speaker

We all know that HTC is heavily promoting the conference call feature with the big speaker on the back, but I haven't heard a single thing about the music quality.
So, a simple question to anyone who's been able to test out the TP2. How good is the speaker for listening to music?

Good question
I want to know too
Hope it has dual stereo speakers and not only one big on the back

Well, I thought I saw something like this in its launch video, and all it said about speakers is "Bi-Amped Dual Speaker phone". I think that means two speakers. The video is here if you'd like to interpret it for yourself. And maybe I'm just crazy, but I think I remember hearing that there is a dedicated woofer and tweeter on this device, so that could very well mean good audio quality. In addition, since HTC is advertising that conference calling feature so much, it seems that they would want good audio quality on it, otherwise it's just another speaker phone capable device. Just my thoughts anyway.
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woeds said:
We all know that HTC is heavily promoting the conference call feature with the big speaker on the back, but I haven't heard a single thing about the music quality.
So, a simple question to anyone who's been able to test out the TP2. How good is the speaker for listening to music?
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Judging from HTC's spec, "Noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers", suggests more than 1 speaker. It ends with an 'S'. So 2 Speakers. 2 Speakers must be better than 1.

Guys, I am aware that the specs are better, but I'm wondering how that translates into real world performance. A speaker that's good enough for clear conference calls, isn't necessarily good enough for quality music playback

I can understand you completely. I think the only ones that can answer this is the ones that had the device for preview testings. Or you can wait until June, when it comes out.

For those that arnt aware, Bi-amped means the one speaker takes in two signals. Usualy one signal for the low frequences, and another for the mid's and highs. This results (due to genraly more power to the speaker) in cleaner/louder sound. But its also dependant on how much power is being put to it.
In theory, if these little speakers are in fact, bi-amped, they should sound alot better than if they were not, but this could also mean it sucks up more battery power.

External Speaker sound quality

How is your external speaker (eg speaker phone, music, etc) sound quality?
Got my Dinc2 on Friday and the sound quality is terrible. There's a buzzing sound almost as if the speaker is blown or loose.
My original Dinc had surprisingly good sound from the external speaker even at higher volumes.

just went from My Dinc to Dinc 2 today. the first song I played you can really tell the difference and see how bad the Dinc 2's speaker is compared to its original

Yeah, its really bad, it cracks/pops a lot too. When I hook it up to my car stereo thru a headphone cable, it cracks a lot too, I think maybe the way the phone processes audio isn't the best. Could be my cord though. I'm disappointed in the sound, other than that though, I love the phone. Came from Droid 2.
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There seems to be an overdrive issue (overdrive meaning pushing too much through the audio ports, be it headphones, bluetooth, or the speaker). I've noticed it seems to vary based on media volume controls, and HTC seems to have implemented a large array of media volume controls that step on each other.
This is one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to ditching Sense and getting back to CM. I need more predictable media controls.

sound issues
Came from a blackberry to the I2, it seems to me that I'm not getting the volume on notifications and what not, keep missing them. I did notice that the head phone jack was pretty sloppy when trying to use the head phones, had to tinker with it to get it to work, haven't found a good way to hook to my car stereo yet as it doesn't have Bluetooth or a way to plugin, any suggestions on good devices are welcome.

Mine definately sounds like it's in a tin can, but i don't have any popping. I think with the right audio manager to correct some of it, it should be fine once we get root.

Mine is pretty rough also. I was sorta shocked at the quality of it on such a nice phone

I guess I was lucky...mines pretty good
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I am also very disappointed with the sound quality of the Dinc 2. Is it a software issue or a speaker problem? I just hope it can be fixed or it may be a deal breaker for me. HTC really blew this one.
i did notice that it can sound a little better by turning on the SRS enhancement mode but not good enough to satisfy me.

abtxpress said:
I am also very disappointed with the sound quality of the Dinc 2. Is it a software issue or a speaker problem? I just hope it can be fixed or it may be a deal breaker for me. HTC really blew this one.
i did notice that it can sound a little better by turning on the SRS enhancement mode but not good enough to satisfy me.
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Its gotta be a software issue, speaker and earpiece speaker sound pretty poor compared to Inc 1 at medium to higher volumes.. maybe update or custom roms will fix.. really my only complaint with this phone besides the custom options I've grown used to on sr4.0 and cm7
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I've found something interesting about this issue.
When playing from any media player playing local media, or playing from Slacker, I get problems with playback quality on the speaker and through bluetooth (not so much through headphones though). However, pure streaming media (such as DI FM's app) is clean and clear on the speaker and on bluetooth. This definitely smells of a software problem.
The I2 does have SRS support. Unfortunately the only SRS controls I've seen are in video playback, and it's just a toggle. I've read about other devices having audio quality problems with SRS and I wonder if this is what's going on. I've tried digging around to see if I can completely disable it, but no luck yet. Might have to dig in under the hood.

External speaker is a bit sub-par, but all other audio on mine (including earpiece speaker, headphones, and bt) sounds fine. I could see it being a software issue, though, based on the other replies here.

SRS can also be turned on through the stock music app. Sounds better but not great
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06stang said:
SRS can also be turned on through the stock music app. Sounds better but not great
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That could be why I missed it there. I don't use the stock app.

So, thanks to the unlock finally being released, I'm running CM7 now. My bluetooth audio seems to have cleared up, no more overdrive effect coming through my car speakers. I don't think the external speaker is up to par, still, though. However, bluetooth audio definitely improved, at least so far. Needs more testing.

We received two Dinc2 last week at different day, first one sounds like rock in tin can, it buzz at higher volume, and the lower frequency range is horrid, lots of distortion. my 2nd Dinc2 sounds much better and do not have the same characteristics as the first one, but it is still not as good as the fascinate they replaced. I requested to get the first one replace and VZW is sending me another one, it's definitely not normal when I compare both Dinc2 side by side listening to the same clips, first one is significantly worst.

I wish the speaker was abit louder.. i haven't had any crackles or pops though.

Coming from my original dinc the higher volumes on the dinc 2 do cause a lot of crackling. Listening to the howard stern show I can't have the volume all the way up like I used to :/ .
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Its gotta be a software issue, speaker and earpiece speaker sound pretty poor compared to Inc 1 at medium to higher volumes..
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I mostly agree. When using the speaker phone, it is beyong horrid. However, when playing youtube videos, it is not nearly as bad. So the audio processing from these two different sources is completely different.

What's the One X volume while using over ear headphones?

In other HTC phones they are known to.have low volume while listening to music specifically with over ear headphones. I have a HTC sensation which has this issue did HTC fix it? Is the volume louder while listening to music? How does it compare to other phones such as the iPhone or other HTC phones? My HTC sensation was extremely low compared to the iPhone or any other mp3 device it almost made me not want to use it as a mp3 player while using over ear headphones. I plan on getting the one X when it comes to the US.
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My HOX definitely pumps more volume than my DHD, headphones AND speaker.
That was a major relief because I couldn't hear sh*t on my DHD

Power and quality of the sound is just a blast...
Beating almost all phone out there at the moment...

vallandil said:
Power and quality of the sound is just a blast...
Beating almost all phone out there at the moment...
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Interesting, two sets of RMAA results now are in agreement that it's rather poor. Check GSMarena's review.
To answer the OP: Looking at the objective results you will not be able to drive higher quality headphones adequately (things with 300ohm impedance for example, like many higher-end Sennheiser headphones), more sensitive headphones with impedances 70ohms or less should be doable (although they will sound quieter than with many other phones).

DAC part of Tegra 3 Chipset?

Im thinking about buying the new LG optimus 4x. But I cant find a single review, that mentions the audio quality on this phone. But it has the Tegra 3 chipset, so if the DAC is part of this, I could check a one x, to get an idea of the audio quality. Would be great, if someone could help me out
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I'm sure if you asked in a phone shop they might let you plug your headphones in and listen to some of the pre loaded music files.
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Hmmm, well then I need a good headset first here in Germany they never have the phones in shops, I am interested in so I have to rely on what the internet says
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the GS3 have a wolfsonn,no one know what have the HOX?

I don't know what's in the HOX but it pretty much sucks balls. You can even hear a *poof* when the music starts and a few seconds after it stops, not to mention the crappy sound itself.

@Gibeon - you must have a faulty phone as I don't get any of that
OP - Really is very reliant on the quality of your audio files I find, poor quality mp3's will sound TERRIBLE, worse than on some other phones. If it's high quality FLAC rips then the sound quality is really very good for a phone, better than the Desire I used to have for example and miles better than the iPod I used to have.
I have Denon in ear for going out and about with and a couple of quite high end (full size over ear) headphones and good quality files sound really good through them. The one thing I would say is that the output volume is not as high as some other phones I have tried, so you do need quite sensitive headphones if you like your music loud.
No idea what the DAC is but for me it's a great portable music player. No such thing as audiophile in any phone but it's definitely one of the better ones i have tried.

SartoriXX said:
@Gibeon - you must have a faulty phone as I don't get any of that
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Really? I've heard several cases of this behavior so I guessed it a widespread problem.
GSMarena has put the real specs to the test, here they are.

I also find the OneX sound much worse than on the desire. Beats only changes it from tinny to plasticky. It is so much worse, actually (both on stock earphones and via car stereo) that I no longer enjoy listening to music from the phone in my car, the sound gets on my nerves.
Instead of shelling out gazillions for having the name of a makebelieve gangster on their stuff, htc could have bought millions of decent audio chips and still give them a catchy name That would be the htc spirit I always liked.

Gibeon said:
Really? I've heard several cases of this behavior so I guessed it a widespread problem.
GSMarena has put the real specs to the test, here they are.
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I've seen the GSM Arena article, and I can only talk from personal experience based on my phone not yours. I do not have the issues you mention at all. Could be a bad batch of components hence why some are better than others. I've seen plenty of people say it's great quality, plenty of people say it's crap, so would seem to point towards that logically.

Gibeon said:
Really? I've heard several cases of this behavior so I guessed it a widespread problem.
GSMarena has put the real specs to the test, here they are.
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This is due to the player you're using. I swear by neutron. The ui might be a bit overwhelming for non audiophiles, but I'm getting some great sound with this app and beats disabled.
After some time with this phone, I'm finding the hox's sound to be quite different, but not necessarily of lesser quality compared to my old sgs1 with voodoo.
My advice would be to just change your music app and if you don't like neutron as I proposed, you could go with power amp or player pro with dsp pack.
On a final note, make sure you get your hands on a decent pair of headphones before commenting on the quality of a Dac. You can't really make any assumptions about these kinds of things if your basing your experience on a free or a $30 pair of ear buds.
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mr_pio said:
I also find the OneX sound much worse than on the desire. Beats only changes it from tinny to plasticky. It is so much worse, actually (both on stock earphones and via car stereo) that I no longer enjoy listening to music from the phone in my car, the sound gets on my nerves.
Instead of shelling out gazillions for having the name of a makebelieve gangster on their stuff, htc could have bought millions of decent audio chips and still give them a catchy name That would be the htc spirit I always liked.
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Well mine has perfect sound , you either have a faulty phone or your expectations were unrealistically high.

Hydrony said:
Im thinking about buying the new LG optimus 4x. But I cant find a single review, that mentions the audio quality on this phone. But it has the Tegra 3 chipset, so if the DAC is part of this, I could check a one x, to get an idea of the audio quality. Would be great, if someone could help me out
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The sound is not the best in the world but its much much better then Galaxy S with voodoo sound while playing at the highest volume, at highest its just awesome stable with this beatsaudio thingy tested using Sennheiser HD 555, mind you galaxy S3 has a cheaper version of op amp used in S1.
The HTC One X have the very best sound in every angle: microphone/speaker/headphones/ear speaker

The volume and quality through the headset is good, unfortunately the loudspeaker is rather poor and doesn't go very loud. Typical HTC though, their speaker components tend to be rather low quality.
LG tend to have alright speakers (The Optimus 2X went fairly loud), but I can't say whether the 4X's will be any good or not
EDIT: I realise you were specifically asking about the quality rather than the volume. The quality is pretty good, you wont be disappointed by it. The Galaxy S III supposedly has fantastic audio quality though, which is likely to be better than the One X's due to the fact that the One X uses 'Beats' (which sucks) and the SIII has a Wolfson Micro WM1811 which is apparently pretty awesome (http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM1811/).

yeah right "ultra-low power" is just rubbish

schiphol said:
This is due to the player you're using.
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It's not. I've tried a number of different music players, different EQ's, different thread priority for the audio. All exhibit the same fundamental problems arising from a poor quality DAC. Heck, even the volume up/down sound causes the pop/crackle issue.
schiphol said:
On a final note, make sure you get your hands on a decent pair of headphones before commenting on the quality of a Dac. You can't really make any assumptions about these kinds of things if your basing your experience on a free or a $30 pair of ear buds.
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I've tried 5 different sets of headphones on my One X, some in ear, some open back, one Bluetooth. The same problems could be heard on all of them in varying degrees.

If your guys phones are rooted, flash the latest dspequalizer on this phone. Helps tremendously with sound quality. I agree with the person talking about flac files. You don't even need to have flac, just try to get high bitrate mp3s. I listen with Beyerdynamic headphones which take more power to drive, but it's enough for me and sounds great.
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Nos0x said:
It's not. I've tried a number of different music players, different EQ's, different thread priority for the audio. All exhibit the same fundamental problems arising from a poor quality DAC. Heck, even the volume up/down sound causes the pop/crackle issue.
I've tried 5 different sets of headphones on my One X, some in ear, some open back, one Bluetooth. The same problems could be heard on all of them in varying degrees.
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I totally agree and I don't think my Grado SR60i's or Shure SE215's are to blame. Really, the quality just sucks on the HOX I own.
No biggie for me though, since I have a PMP for music.

Gibeon said:
I totally agree and I don't think my Grado SR60i's or Shure SE215's are to blame. Really, the quality just sucks on the HOX I own.
No biggie for me though, since I have a PMP for music.
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Of course the dac is not the best. The point I was trying to make is that I was able to eliminate most of the hissing and strange pops upon volume changes etc by switching to the neutron player leading me to be believe that these are not necessarily related to the Dac itself.
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With my beats headsets i have excellent audio quality, didnt try the original one...and the sound from the speaker? Well i dont know what you expect, in my eyes it is good enough (i dont listen to music over it) ... and BTW, i use well ripped mp3s because over the beats headset you can hear every single detail in songs ... youtube is also great ...
I dont know, but probably i have a special OneX i dont have any single issue the guys so far had reported ... i am just confused now why i dont get a S-OFF device

As far as I know, the beats audio plugin is only a peace of software, isn't it? It has nothing to do with special hardware, its just an equalizer setting. But I'm confused some sites say, the one x's audio chip is the same, that is build in the one s, but the explanation of the Tegra 3 chipset says, that it is able to handle 7.1 surround sound, which means it includes an audio chip. I think I have to wait for reviews of the optimus 4x to solve this problem
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Anyone return phone due to poor HP audio?

I have to say that while my copy has been flawless, I can't say I like the HP output. It's at least two steps back from my old Samsung GNex. Volume is poor and simply the detail coming out of it, at least through my Audio-Technika IM70 IEMs, is also quite lacking. Not impressed at all.
Is anyone else thinking about returning/selling their phone due to poor HP output?

No ofcourse not there will be a tweak to make it sounds good
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I've not experienced anything like that. Like you I love my music and I am very happy with the quality coming from the handset. Although I always use poweramp.

I like the audio from this device.

I was replying to one guy at reddit before. He was curios about the sound on the G4 compared to HTC One M7. Since I got both, and I do listen to music a lot, I wrote my impression.
"I switched from M7 to G4, and I was worried about the sound in headphones also. Even though I think they both perform really good, but I will give my M7 a slight edge here. I was listening to both right now, and it feels that G4 got more highs, bass is not as punchy as M7, and M7 sounds more tight. It's really hard to say which sounds better, matter of taste, but I find M7 as a better sound quality device, even though the sound is a bit dull comparing to G4. The volume levels are higher in M7, but the volumes G4 produces are more than enough for me.
Both devices were tested with stock players, without any EQ tweaks, Beats Audio turned off of course. Music genre: electronic. Earphones: Shure SE425."
But I won't return this device, only because I don't like the sound as much as I do on M7. G4 is superb phone in overall, and the sound is not bad at all, it's just different.

Versus my M7 it doesnt compare. But with that being said my M7 had an audiomod on it which revamped the output. There really isn't any phone(stock) that I could find that'll compare to it.
Am I going to return it? Nope. I'll wait for root and get another mod and call it a day

The headphone quality is indeed poor. Also on my unit, the device won’t even recognize the headphone input unless the jack is pressed at a certain angle. Tested with multiple pairs of headphones.
The headphone situation is my only negative mark for this phone. Everything else about it meets or exceeds expectations.

Idk how can some people all audio quality on this phone good....
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ambervals6 said:
Idk how can some people all audio quality on this phone good....
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Idk how someone on an S6 keeps trolling the G4 threads.
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The headphones quality by all means isn't poor whatsoever. Tested and compared to iPhone 6,5, Samsung s6 n4 and 2014 edition tablet. Lg g4 by far is the very best. I'm a sound engineer and was blown away from the sound of this device. It's very well balanced with extension on the highs. The bass of course isn't as punchy but it's just right amount of bass extension so it doesn't overpower the mids. Yes volume output for hp isn't so great. Lg g2,3,4 is the one phone that has a DAC inside for sound quality and support natively 192/24bit audio

wadamean said:
The headphones quality by all means isn't poor whatsoever. Tested and compared to iPhone 6,5, Samsung s6 n4 and 2014 edition tablet. Lg g4 by far is the very best. I'm a sound engineer and was blown away from the sound of this device. It's very well balanced with extension on the highs. The bass of course isn't as punchy but it's just right amount of bass extension so it doesn't overpower the mids. Yes volume output for hp isn't so great. Lg g2,3,4 is the one phone that has a DAC inside for sound quality and support natively 192/24bit audio
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This.
LG just lowers the volume so you don't blow out your pretty ear drums. Volume mods are just a number tweak.

player911 said:
This.
LG just lowers the volume so you don't blow out your pretty ear drums. Volume mods are just a number tweak.
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Tweak tips?
Any way to turn on the LG Nanny mode off?

Dennisg34 said:
Idk how someone on an S6 keeps trolling the G4 threads.
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Have both phones. The audio on g4 is crappy when earphones are on. But feel free to troll and deny it
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Sounds a lot better than my Nexus 6. I had to mess with the equalizer to get a decent sound that wasn't muffled/"warm" but not with the G4.
Using PowerAmp and ATH-M50x.
It also gets plenty loud for me. I've never had to turn the volume to max.
If it doesn't get loud enough for you, get some headphones/iems that isolate better, are within proper impedance range for a mobile device or get an amp or get your hearing checked.

I don't understand what you all mean when you say you apply an audio mod to make things sound better. What does this "mod" actually do? I am very skeptical because mods can only modify the software at that point, the hardware (which controls the quality) is what it is.

I sweat by Viper4Android. Its crazy all the things it can do. The convolver in particular has helped elevate the sound. Not being able to install it has been my biggest disappointment with the g4
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