Orange mad a big song and dance about being the first UK carrier to announce that they will be getting the HTC Desire. However, since them T-Mobile have beaten them to the release and now it looks like Vodafone will be next to get the handset out, judging by official release dates. (Before anyone mentions it I am well aware that it is available on Orange through Carphone Whorehouse and other online retailers. It's just that I want to know when Orange themselves are getting it).
I've heard rumours that Orange may be going for a 2nd April release, but nothing definite.
Does anyone know a definite date when Orange UK is going to get the handset? When I call them I am still getting operatives who don't even know that the thing exists, and others are still referring to it as the HTC Bravo! When I do get through to someone who knows about the Desire they just say "It wil appear on the website when we get it".
And you can bet that when it does appear on their website it already be out of stock.
Impatient? Me?!? Never!
I don't know an official date but just to let you know T-Mobile had a deal with HTC to get the phone out first.
They probably tried for an exclusivity deal (like with the G1, hero) but got rejected and got an (albeit quite short) timed exclusive deal.
Which is the reason why officially t-mobile themselves are stocking it before anyone else (I am aware you can get an unlocked handset with the contract ontop from places like mobiles.co.uk, carphonewarehouse).
It must have been a pretty late change of name.
My T-mobile supplied phone says HTC Bravo on the box!
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It must have been a pretty late change of name.
My T-mobile supplied phone says HTC Bravo on the box!
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They say HTC Desire on the box (where it matters).
The HTC Bravo sticker on the back is something which HTC has slapped on, internally they must be still calling it by it's codename.
It's been the HTC Desire for months.
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Orange mad a big song and dance about being the first UK carrier to announce that they will be getting the HTC Desire. However, since them T-Mobile have beaten them to the release and now it looks like Vodafone will be next to get the handset out, judging by official release dates. (Before anyone mentions it I am well aware that it is available on Orange through Carphone Whorehouse and other online retailers. It's just that I want to know when Orange themselves are getting it).
I've heard rumours that Orange may be going for a 2nd April release, but nothing definite.
Does anyone know a definite date when Orange UK is going to get the handset? When I call them I am still getting operatives who don't even know that the thing exists, and others are still referring to it as the HTC Bravo! When I do get through to someone who knows about the Desire they just say "It wil appear on the website when we get it".
And you can bet that when it does appear on their website it already be out of stock.
Impatient? Me?!? Never!
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I'm in the same boat - be interested to see what they offer you on upgrade. Phoned today and they said it should be out soon, but then said it's not available to upgrade customers until a few weeks later
They are so full of *beep* it's unreal. I think I might actually get my PAC code and go with Vodafone. If you see the other thread that I created T-Mob customers have had some cracking upgrade deals. Whereas Orange are still contemplating charging me for the phone. So in short the wait may not be for much longer, but it may not be worth it to stay with Orange...
If it is a Pay As You Go option you are looking for, some Carphone Warehouses still have stock (unlocked but with an Orange SIM).
As I mentioned in another thread, this is how I got my hands on one and I'm on an O2 contract.
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I'm in the same boat - be interested to see what they offer you on upgrade. Phoned today and they said it should be out soon, but then said it's not available to upgrade customers until a few weeks later
They are so full of *beep* it's unreal. I think I might actually get my PAC code and go with Vodafone. If you see the other thread that I created T-Mob customers have had some cracking upgrade deals. Whereas Orange are still contemplating charging me for the phone. So in short the wait may not be for much longer, but it may not be worth it to stay with Orange...
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Their operatives really haven't got a clue what's going on. When I spoke to them a couple of days ago I was told it would be available to upgrade customers at the same time as new customers! I had this exact same issue when I upgraded to the Diamond - it really depends who you speak to. Sometimes you'll get someone who's really clued up and will fall over themselves to help you, othertimes you get put through to someone who would appear to be the most unhelpful person on the planet.
The more I think about it, the more I'm tempted to jump to T-Mobile. I can get exactly the same deal that I am currently on with Orange (600mins, unlimited texts, "unlimited" mobile internet) for £30 per month, with the handset costing £60, directly from the T-Mobile website. So (and this is addressed to fuzzmo) if Orange say that they want £100 for the handset, tell them to go forth and multiply!
The other benefit of switching to T-Mobile is their rather tasty 3Gb "fair use" policy (compared to Oranges paltry 500Mb) for mobile internet on Android phones.
Oh, I'm going to have so much fun with Orange once they get the phone!
I've ordered my upgrade from buymobilephones yesterday. Switched from Racoon 30 to Racoon 25 and added 500mb of internet for £5. Phone cost me 69.99 which is a bit of a rip off now I think back but I suppose its not a huge deal.
Did say they had no idea when they'd actually have it in stock though. "Could be next week, could me in a months time"
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The more I think about it, the more I'm tempted to jump to T-Mobile. I can get exactly the same deal that I am currently on with Orange (600mins, unlimited texts, "unlimited" mobile internet) for £30 per month, with the handset costing £60, directly from the T-Mobile website. So (and this is addressed to fuzzmo) if Orange say that they want £100 for the handset, tell them to go forth and multiply!
The other benefit of switching to T-Mobile is their rather tasty 3Gb "fair use" policy (compared to Oranges paltry 500Mb) for mobile internet on Android phones.
Oh, I'm going to have so much fun with Orange once they get the phone!
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Just to let you know, if you like Orange (their coverage, orange Wednesdays etc) it's an excellent time to now go for T-Mobile. On T-Mobile you can get some excellent deals with a barrowful of minutes and texts AND a 3GB internet FUP policy. In around 2 months time they'll be merging with orange and while your plan will stay the same you'll be able to enjoy benefits like <insert whatever the new network's name is here> Wednesdays and the combined strength of Orange & T-Mobiles network coverage
Probably around the same time as O2
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The more I think about it, the more I'm tempted to jump to T-Mobile. I can get exactly the same deal that I am currently on with Orange (600mins, unlimited texts, "unlimited" mobile internet) for £30 per month, with the handset costing £60, directly from the T-Mobile website. So (and this is addressed to fuzzmo) if Orange say that they want £100 for the handset, tell them to go forth and multiply!
The other benefit of switching to T-Mobile is their rather tasty 3Gb "fair use" policy (compared to Oranges paltry 500Mb) for mobile internet on Android phones.
Oh, I'm going to have so much fun with Orange once they get the phone!
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Yup I am really thinking about it as they appear to treat their upgrade customers with much more respect and they certainly do give you a great Internet bundle. I am gonna tell them to go forth and multiply as they are just like Nationwides adverts - 'New Customers only'. Why they don't give a *beep* about their current high spending customers lord only knows....
My only concern with T-Mobile is their network coverage which leads me to....
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Just to let you know, if you like Orange (their coverage, orange Wednesdays etc) it's an excellent time to now go for T-Mobile. On T-Mobile you can get some excellent deals with a barrowful of minutes and texts AND a 3GB internet FUP policy. In around 2 months time they'll be merging with orange and while your plan will stay the same you'll be able to enjoy benefits like <insert whatever the new network's name is here> Wednesdays and the combined strength of Orange & T-Mobiles network coverage
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Is this confirmed? Is it true that they will be using Orange masts etc. and also bringing in 'Orange' Wednesdays?.... If so (although the latter isn't important - coverage is) then that is a deal clincher for me...
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Is this confirmed? Is it true that they will be using Orange masts etc. and also bringing in 'Orange' Wednesdays?.... If so (although the latter isn't important - coverage is) then that is a deal clincher for me...
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Orange wednesdays isn't confirmed but they will be 1 network after the merger, not 2 and it;s been given the goahead by the EU and will be done in the next few months so it stands to reason they will use each other's current masts and have better coverage.
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Orange wednesdays isn't confirmed but they will be 1 network after the merger, not 2 and it;s been given the goahead by the EU and will be done in the next few months so it stands to reason they will use each other's current masts and have better coverage.
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[topic=off]I wonder what they'll call the combined network? T'orange? A good northern name. [/topic]
The deal is confirmed
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/...miX+(cellular-news)&utm_content=Google+Reader
As for the name I thought Tangerine using the T-Mobile font in White on an orange background thus combining both.
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Orange UK seem to be doing what they are best at.
Every time I speak to someone from Orange (once a week for the last 6 weeks) to find out if the Touch Pro 2 has been released I get a different answer.
Back on the 26th May I spoke to someone who had a look and said that the phone was still on the "coming soon" list. He had a look else where and found that the phone was listed to be first released as a SBC (Small Business Customer) phone and then a little later for none business users. He had no date but said it should be early to mid June.
Yesterday I was told there is still no date, but it should be released mid to late June. The guy at orange started to explain how to go about through a 3rd party to get the upgrade but then I lost my signal. I rang back and was then told that the phone would definatly not be out with in the next 4 weeks.
Today I rang up and was told that there is no date listed, but the phone is still just "coming soon". I said about the person from yesturday, but the lady has no idea why I was told a definate no for the next 4 weeks as it could come out tomorrow, 2 weeks, 4 weeks or not at all. I also asked about the phone first being available to business customers and was told that there is no mention about the phone being a business phone and the release would be wide spread across the whole of orange UK. The lady has also put me on a ring back service, will check daily to see if the phone had been released and let me know if it has... While I have no reason to dis-believe this, I dont hold much hope.
I have rang around, but cant find a phone dealer that can do an upgrade for me with the Touch Pro 2
Little to say, I am getting a bit tired of all the different answers I get.
When I got my Tytn 2 from orange it was only listed as a business phone and I think the Touch Pro 2 will probably be the same way
Does any one here have any more information or shed any light on the release of the phone as an orange branded handset, be it for business or none business use.
Firstly I'll say that their ring-back service worked for me. This was back when the TyTN2 was released. They sent me a text on the day it became available telling me to call them, which I did instantly. The next day I had the phone in my hands. So have some faith.
However, the wait may be long, or short.
I used to be on Orange (having been a VERY loyal, high spending customer) for many years, but I have since become very cheesed off with their outdated tariffs and delays bringing phones to the market.
I have now switched to Vodafone, and while I don't get anywhere near as good signal strength, they provide a decent enough service for me.
I am sad I had to move away from orange, but it's too little too late.
See, I like Orange's service and the service plan I am on is very good value for money and they consider me somewhat of a 'loyal customer'.
I am in exactly the same boat as you, I've been speaking to different people and it's gone from 'within 2 weeks' (this was mid may I was told this) to the phone not being listed on the system, to the Diamond2 being released?
It seems the HD is out of stock and I had been told that it was being discontinued and replaced by another handset. Some reps have told me that it was Touch Pro2 and some have told me they do not know.
I've just been emailing Orange (they have this irritating habit where you hit the reply button and a different person replies) all of them told me it was only going to be released on Business, but like another person in this thread I also have a TyTn II on a personal account.
This morning the Touch HD was taken off the website! So I'm going to keep playing it from the angle of 'What phone is going to replace the HD on the personal account' and 'I want a Windows Mobile phone with a keyboard because I can't stand purely touch screen phones!
I really really want to keep my contract and just get an Orange branded Pro2
Just spoke to them on the phone about the HD disappearing off the website. Apparently they're looking at replacing it with the Touch Diamond2 and when I said does that have a keyboard? He said no it doesn't but the Touch Pro2 does (in a hesistant voice).
I went on to ask whether that would be available for me to upgrade to as a personal user and he said yes it should be, but there is no indication of price yet as it's too early on.
I'm sure the next person I speak too, will tell me otherwise...
The Orange tariffs seem to suit me quite well... There might be a better tariff for me somewhere, but at the moment my monthly bill only usually differs pennies each month and i can really hammer the phone some months.
When I asked about the upgrade price about a month I go I was told that I would probably get the phone for free being that I am a long time loyal high value none business customer (have been on one of the top tariffs now for 6 or 7 years).
Infact when I got the tytn2 (which was only available for business customers at the time), Orange actually credited my account with £100 for me to stay and take the the phone off their hands.
I guess only time will tell with the rhodium
I just wish that Orange would be a bit quicker at releasing new phones.
Out of interest, I wonder if Orange list the rhodium as having an inbuilt GPS receiver. Orange seem to insist that the rhodium does not have a GPS, although it does have an FM radio :S Come to think about it, they also insisted that the tytn2 didnt have a GPS either when I upgraded to that
I got another response today from someone that seemed a bit more human.
Hello
Thank you for your email into the Orange shop.
I have checked the website and we have 2 HTC phones on sale.
We have the HTC Touch 3G and the HTC Touch Diamond(tm)
http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/all
We also have the HTC Touch Pro 2 in review at the moment. Fingers crossed
this one will make the cut as it's a brilliant phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html
Hope this helps
Sarah
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I'm reckoning I might get it for free, although I haven't been as long term as you with Orange, I just want them to list it as coming soon! It's driving me mad, I can be so impatient with stuff like this sometimes haha.
For orange France it's not planned yet...
I wait because I want to by it with mobile contract at less price than unbranded...
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I just want them to list it as coming soon! It's driving me mad, I can be so impatient with stuff like this sometimes haha.
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Yup +1 that.... Orange are in danger of loosing out if they wait much longer- Hmm Xperia X2 anyone?
I've had our company phones with Orange for over 10 years, but have just switched to Vodafone. We save around £500 per month (20 Touch Pro and Pro 2 all free), have all data included in the plan plus managed services with antivirus, firewall etc and the cuistomer service people I speak with are much more responsive than Orange. No problems with connectivity. The choice of handset and talk / data plans is far better than Orange and in the 3 months we've been with Vodafone I have experienced no probs whatsoever.
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I've had our company phones with Orange for over 10 years, but have just switched to Vodafone. We save around £500 per month (20 Touch Pro and Pro 2 all free), have all data included in the plan plus managed services with antivirus, firewall etc and the cuistomer service people I speak with are much more responsive than Orange. No problems with connectivity. The choice of handset and talk / data plans is far better than Orange and in the 3 months we've been with Vodafone I have experienced no probs whatsoever.
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See, I've been provided a fabulous service with Orange. My price plan is very cheap and I get a lot for my money. I'm on the £8 a month internet bundle which apparently is limited to 500mb or whatever but I usually use over a gig a month and never get charged.
I'm going to wait it out, I just up hope some new information crops up in the next week. They'd be able to release it if Orange didn't bog down the phone with so much crap!
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Orange UK seem to be doing what they are best at.
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Not helpful sorry, but if its any consolation, I am getting the same run around from o2. Least with Orange, they have to keep releasing the 'business' class devices. o2 (I think) are going to limit the new devices to push people towards the iphone (sorry for swearing) or blackberry. Neither of which I personally want.
I just spoke with Orange business Sales
They say it should be available to first for Business Sales than Upgrades,
It will be available after the end of the 19th of July
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They say it should be available to first for Business Sales than Upgrades,
It will be available after the end of the 19th of July
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What's your source, what's your source!?
Was that meant to say 'then' rather than 'than'? I'm really hoping that you mean will be available for new contracts after the 19th of July as apposed to starting the release then...
Orange have updated their coming soon page on the consumer site.... no sign of TP2 yet
However I've been diligently checking the page for the past few months (I know, i know...) and updates seem to take place around 14-16th of each month.
Hoping that this darn phone turns up soon.
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Orange have updated their coming soon page on the consumer site.... no sign of TP2 yet
However I've been diligently checking the page for the past few months (I know, i know...) and updates seem to take place around 14-16th of each month.
Hoping that this darn phone turns up soon.
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Haha, I've been doing this too. I may as well have it as my homepage.. They have definitely updated the Coming Soon list at least twice this month (including today) so I don't think your theory is entirely true.
Come on Orange! My contract expires this week!
Just spoken with Orange and the phone is currently in testing and it there will only be limited number handset to start off with for Business Account holders .
Imagine Orange are fecking up software as we speak
Orange is busy with the Iphone 3GS in pre-ordering and nothing for the TP2...
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Orange is busy with the Iphone 3GS in pre-ordering and nothing for the TP2...
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They're releasing the iPhone 3Gs? I didn't know O2 weren't keeping it exclusively anymore.
Orange updated their coming soon list! No TP2 though
Just got off the phone with Orange.
Apparently it's 'limited stock' at the moment and that the update on their server today said that they were in testing mode. If it pasts tests then it will be given to business customers in limited stock, then if it is popular they'll release it to personal customers.
What was interesting, was that he said if an Orange shop stocks the phone, they might be a to give to you on a personal contract as 'they have more leeway than the telesales'.
Sigh, the wait carries on...
ORANGE now sell the TP2
http://www.business.orange.co.uk/se...1=Phone&pagename=Business&t=SMEDeviceFeatures
I wanted to ask MPD about two different contracts I am interested in below as I really would like to order a Touch Pro 2 today, but they never answer the phone!:
T-Mobile
700
Minutes
per month Unlimited
Text
+
Unlimited mobile web
per month £34.26
Line rental
per month
was £35.00 3 months
Free insurance
+
2.5% VAT Off
Line Rental
Looks good until you look at the info, maximum browsing cost per day £1!!!!
Vodafone:
300
Minutes
per month Unlimited
Text
+
Unlimited mobile web
per month £34.26
Line rental
per month
was £35.00 3 months
Free insurance
+
2.5% VAT Off
Line Rental
Now this deal looks good too but says nothing about daily browsing costs, nor does it on the Vodafone website.
Can anyone confirm that both above deals incurr EXTRA browsing/email/surfing costs?
I want to buy my HTC TP2 today but there is no point getting it and having to incurr large daily charges for a device that really is going to primarily be connected to the net daily.
Cheers
Both deals have inclusive internet so there will be no additional charge.
The T-Mobile £1 charge only applies if you don't have an add on Web n'Walk package, which the contract you quoted does have.
I think the W&W deal has a fair use policy of 1gb. I have had W&W for a few years now and despite tethering to my laptop and using data on my WM devices heavily I have never had a letter from T-Mobile asking me to reduce my use.
However I am concerned about the difficulty in contacting MPD. My TP2 is misbehaving. Not sure yet if it is a hardware fault but lack of communications with MPD worries me. Guess I will have to contact HTC but I want the option of a replacement handset rather than a repair.
Thank you for you're reply aerotec.
Well to be honest I have contacted them by email (wednesday) with no reply and called them around 10 times since then with no reply including leaving voice mail this morning - this is very worrying and a major issue if anything goes wrong with the phone, it has totally put me off.
I'm considering Expansys now as they have returned all my emails quickly, I didnt even have to call.
I hope yours gets sorted mate.
if you go directly to voda mate, on their bussiness page, you can get a free HTC TP2, 900 mins, unlimited texts, unlimited internet for £34.03 + vat... hold in, i'll link it.
HERE IT IS
18 month contract... are the ones you list 18mnth ?
It looks alot better to go directly to voda or am i missing something ?
EDIT : To get the plan i was on about, hit the 18 month click box and click 'view all plans'
The MPD deal is still pretty good. I took the 12 month deal as it worked out about the same as buying it unconnected.
I just hope I can sort out the handset problem though it has worked ok today.
I drove 5hrs yesterday and the TP2 kept giving me connection errors and Tomtom kept hanging on me. Why can't my gadgets just WORK!
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if you go directly to voda mate, on their bussiness page, you can get a free HTC TP2, 900 mins, unlimited texts, unlimited internet for £34.03 + vat... hold in, i'll link it.
HERE IT IS
18 month contract... are the ones you list 18mnth ?
It looks alot better to go directly to voda or am i missing something ?
EDIT : To get the plan i was on about, hit the 18 month click box and click 'view all plans'
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Thats the exact deal I got, although they don't have any more stock till monday apparently, but there was one available in my local store so she reserved it for me, and i picked it up same day.
MPD supply a non-brandaed, stock HTC TP2, where is vodafones is branded is the only real difference.
Thats a damn good deal, beats T-Mobile hands down.
I wish I could get one from my local store, but none have any.
I would prefer non-branded, but I'll definately take a look at that!
Thanks!
EDIT: Pretty sure -T-Mobile give you 1GB fair usage policy whereas Voda is 500MB?
I've just signed up for that deal aswell, and yeah, no stock till monday, I went to my local store and they'd just sold the only one they had... so i gotta wait
Apparently coz it's a bussiness phone local stores hold hardly any stock anyways..
More time to dowload goodies and fill up the 8GB card i just bought for it
EDIT : Also my local store didn't want to honour this deal as they said ' it's a bussiness only deal, were not a bussiness shop' so i'd recommend calling the number on the voda site, they were pleasant enough to deal with.
Don't go with T-Mobile, they're worse than useless.
In this thread, issues I've had with them:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529984
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yeah, thats right... I can live with that though... i doubt i'll download anywhere near 500MB in a month over the air... but horses for courses.
You guys are a great help thanks.
Ok I phoned Vodafone, they are currently stocking them in:
Middlesborough (18!!)
Guildford
Thats about it according to the really helpful lady that I spoke to.
I wont be using T-Mobile then based on your issues mate, cheers.
By the way, how bad is the branding? is it possible to get rid of it using another ROM yet?
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I quite like it (not sure how many share my opinion here though).
Was getting bored of the black HTC theme on my other HTC phones (TyTN II/Touch HD).
To change the ROM you'd just need to install a new bootloader to unlock it and then install whatever ROM. I think the stock ROMs are available on the wiki, bear in mind it invalidates your warranty though. I've not done it myself since having the original TyTN handset and loading a custom ROM but it's fairly simple, a mate of mine did his TP1 the other day when he was round my place, didn't really pay much attention but it was basically the same process.
Ok sounds easy enough, thanks.
So would this also enable me to download the official HTC ROMs and the WM 6.5? or do you need to have an unbranded HTC phone for this?
Sorry if this is a stupid question.
MPD got back to me finally so all good.
So my choice is now unbranded (at extra cost £89 with a slightly inferiour voda contract) or branded (free with a better contract) - hmmm!
from how i see it... i might be wrong (i'm still wet behind the ears) you cant flash any rom to any TP2 yet untill someone comes up with a hardSPL for it (dunno about un-branded though) someone please confirm ?
From what i've read in the rom devolopment section they're working on it.
Once that's done.. you'll be able to whack any ROM on it and get rid of any branding.
Till then you gotta live with the branding i think.
Thanks - all my questions answered, much appreciated all.
The branding is AWFUL! pink white grey and black
But it is very easy to undo without flashing. There is a thread in the themes section, install one file and its gone
got mine from MPD and yeah they were a pain to get thru too via phone sometimes and email! i am very persistent so kept ringing till i got an answer sometimes 5 times back to back but i get thru. emails were answered quite quickly and i even had my contracts emailed to me for signing so i could get phone next day.............impressive! i did however speak to another gentleman who had no clue what i was on about when i enquired bout the postage of my phone. i got the t-mobile combi 30 deal where you got 700 mins plus unlimited texts w/out w&w as i already have a t-mobile line fully loaded on flext 35. it cost me £29.15 monthly and i paid £45 for phone!
that deal for £34.25 is quite good and phone is free. you get an unbranded and unlocked handset which is the biggest plus. getting the phone from voda direct means that it will come with their version of the stock rom which is not very good at all! keep ringing till MPD answers as they do eventually..............you need to get phone unbranded to truly experience the beauty of the phone. that IMO beats the lack of contact from MPD. when you do get thru you will get sorted. i think it gets rather busy in there and it is only a small shop with limited number of staff. it is also a walk in shop not online based like others. if they are busy dealing with walk in customers they won't answer phone!
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The branding is AWFUL! pink white grey and black
But it is very easy to undo without flashing. There is a thread in the themes section, install one file and its gone
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that doesn't get rid of the overal performance as base rom will still be voda branded and doesn't work well at all
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pretty bad from what i have been told! you can't flash custom roms at present till hard spl is released. this will also have a security unlock that will enable you to flash custom roms. ETA is not known but it is work in progress. in branded state you will only be able to flash voda updates. HTC rom or future htc updates you will not be able to use till hrad spl is available. even if you remove the look of the phone the base rom will still be voda and that is the issue. the unbranded handset with stock rom works far better than voda branded one! IMO the choice is clear!
I'm considering getting a TP2 through Vodaphone.
Are Vodaphone good at making ROM updates available? I'm currently with T-Mobile using an MDA Vario III, they've only recently released the WM 6.1 update, so I'm worried that Vodaphone may not make the Wm6.5 update available for a long time for the TP2.
Also, does anyone have any opinions about Vodaphone's customer service. I'm looking at a business contract. In some ways it'd be a shame to leave T-Mobile as their business customer service has been so good (at least for me). Another reason I'm looking at Vodaphone is for the Access Gateway (femtocell). They have this available, whereas T-Mobile's version has not surfaced yet. I'm in a poor reception area for T-Mobile, but Vodaphones coverage maps indicate their coverage is better.
So far Vodaphone are ticking most of the boxes. Would I be jumping too soon? Maybe hang on for T-Mobile to make the TP2 available? I guess if the rumours of Vodaphone taking over T-Mobile business services come to fruition, it might be a while before it gets blended into the Vodaphone services and coverage.
I've been with Vodafone for ages and have never had a problem. Customer service very good in shops and over the phone. Trashed my new Xperia in MTB accident and was offered any phone replacement there and then because I had a business account (and insurance, of course). They don't offer the Xperia anymore so I had to wait for the TP2 to come available, which it did last week.
I was sorry to see the Xperia go but after a few days with the TP2 I'm delighted that I changed. Xperia screen was just a smidge too small for my eyesight.
Don't know about their ROM updates as I was using Itje's and smarberg's and downloading from this site every few days!
Thanks Pingu_3D, thats good to know.
Regards
Mike
I am with VF for about 10 years.
Customer Service is no problems at all.
ROM Upgrade - I wouldn't rate them at the top of the list. They take an awfully lot of time to pass on a ROM upgrade.
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I am with VF for about 10 years.
Customer Service is no problems at all.
ROM Upgrade - I wouldn't rate them at the top of the list. They take an awfully lot of time to pass on a ROM upgrade.
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Having had a Tytn, Tytn 2, Touch Pro and now TP2 from voda let me just say that their ROM upgrades are terrible. Not a single upgrade for the TP. They will upgrade to a newer ROM if you send the phone in for repair though!!
For the Tytn 2 and Tytn I think they did release a single ROM upgrade (from memory).
Also, I am on a consumer tarrif. Getting the Tytn, Tytn 2 and Touch Pro was never a problem (despite being "business" phones).
It was a nightmare getting the TP2 on a consumer tarrif. They lied to me (told me my SIM wouldnt work), etc, etc. Finally by complaining enough they shipped one to me and I'm happy again. But most people on consumer tarrifs are failing to get them! Have a read in the voda forum http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showforum=27
Andy
Thanks to you both. I've taken the plunge & ordered one today through Vodafone business, should get it Saturday. Here's hoping I won't need a ROM update any time soon!
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For those having issues about getting one on a consumer contract - well at least you managed to get VF to budge eventually!
I just cancelled my Orange contract because they refused to provide a TP2 on my consumer contract. I have been with them for 9 years and spend an average of £75 a month (never less than £40, some months as high as £150)
The woman said "you have an awful lot of loyalty.. are you sure you wouldn't like another phone?" but could not provide me a business phone on a consumer contract, nor could she switch me to a business contract because I'm an employee.
Totally daft. Their loss though!
As soon as I get my PAC code I'll be getting a Vodafone business contract - it seems they will give me a phone even though I'm an employee; and worst case I'll have to get my company to open a contract for me (they pay the bills anyway.) But from reading the VF site it seems I should have no issues getting a business contract in my name even though I'm an employee.
just call business "straight"(08080600802) and ask for Adam or Mike just say it was Evilasio that told you to call them but dont say anything about not having a business, because they record conversations, so if you say that they are obliged to say no, otherwise there will be no probs because they make commission on every business account they open.
I have a TP2 on the Vodafone network. What is the best 6.5 ROM that I can replace this bloody Vodafone build with?
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I have a TP2 on the Vodafone network. What is the best 6.5 ROM that I can replace this bloody Vodafone build with?
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There isn't one, but if you do a search you will find threads on removing the horrible theme
The Desire will be my first smartphone. I wanted to know whether it's recommended to buy direct from a network provider.
T-Mobile seem to have some reasonable deals for the Desire. Do I buy direct from them, or look to somewhere like mobilescouk or another reseller, where I think the phone is unlocked and comes with no network branding? (but the overall price is higher)
From what I've read so far, it looks like the main concerns with buying direct would be about network specific 'crapware', and potential delays in updates to firmware/ROM.
What are the Pros & Cons of either option? Any thoughts please?
My honest opinion is go for T-mobile... my handset will cost 24mths £330. But unlike just buying a handset from somewhere else, I get messages, minutes, internet included!
If want it unlocked I think it will cost £15. Regarding the updates not sure what the difference really is.. its my first Android phone and still learning (and not missing WinMo at all!)
I'm wondering about this myself. I have one on order from clove but my wallet is getting itchy. The 3G signal on t-mobile is dire round here.
[EDIT] SIM only from O2 will have to do I guess...
i ordered mine over telephone from tmobile and waiting for it probably till tuesday
tmobile has the best offers on their webiste, all the other retailers have worst deals, though tmobile has simlocked handsets and retailers dont. but for £15 you can get it unlocked. and service is quite good and no problem with returns if you see any faults.
if you dont want tmobile then dont look at other providers webistes such as vodafone cuz their offer is crap comparing to i.e. mobiles.co.uk
carphone warehouses offer is also really expensive comparing with others however you get your phone straight without waiting etc
retailers tend to mess up delivery times and might have some problems with returns.
I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide what to do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see what they're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!
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I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!
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Yea the 7 day return period comes in handy.
Now looks like i will definitely be going unlocked because 3 have just released their contract price and it's not as good as T mobs.
Just have to decide if i keep the £15 sim only now.
Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?
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Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?
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t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before
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I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide w o do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see w hey're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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if you dont like the idea of being trapped then put it this way, if you have the upfront cash put that into a bank account and use that to pay the monthly bills that way if something new comes out you will be no worse off just buy that and pay off the contract and its still less. just go for it.
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t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before
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Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?
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Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?
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I am not 100% sure if unlocking debrands the phone as well
De-branding basically means removing awful operator firmware, and replacing it with the manufacturers original firmware. Hence converting your phone to the full spec as it was intended by the manufacturer. (the way it should be)
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I think your worrying about something you dont need to t-mobile have the best offers on the market so far andI dont think it will change quickly, even if you choose to unlock your phone youre still saving money comparing to other retailers prices
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Hi, im currently up for renewal on my vodafone contract, but with them not being able to offer a decent tarrif or give me an actual date for when they think they will be getting stock (been told approx 2weeks but nothing confirmed) ive been forced to shop around, ive been offered 500mins 3000texts and internet (500mb, is that enough for the desire?) and a free phone tomorrow so to speak from orange. I know from past experience with orange that back in the day they would fill there phones of junk, i was wondering if the Desire was full of the old orange stuff? or is it unbranded so to speak?
Cheers, Joe
Oh, i can however get a nexus one with vodafone on a contract that i could live with, is it worth jsut going for a nexus over the desire? is there any major differences between the two other than the sense ui? which is the main reason i prefer the desire over the nexus tbh.
I think it all depends where you get the phone from. Orange, Phones4U and most Orange stockists will sell you their crapware filled, branded, crippled Desire that really is an awful experience in comparison to stock Desire. Thankfully this branding is pretty easily removed.
The Carphone Warehouse will sell you an unlocked, branding free Desire on contract from Orange etc. and they may give you quite a good deal.
As for the Nexus, it has pros and cons. It has Froyo, gets updates seemingly quicker than other Android phones, and has a uni-body design (honestly, it's not that much different). The Desire IMHO is better due to HTC Sense, more RAM and physical buttons which are more responsive than the touch buttons on the Nexus One.
It's your choice but I'd go with the Desire -- preferably NOT on Orange (they even give you a measly 500mb data plan [I've had the phone three months and gone over twice due to Spotify and podcast streaming] unless you pay another tenner and their customer service sucks) or via The Carphone Warehouse. Look around for the best deals
Cheap Desire offer!
Ive just bought one via mobiles.co.uk, it comes from them and it is a stock desire rather than an orange.
They have an offer on half price line rental for 12 months on one of them cash back thingys. Only had the phone a couple of days but pretty happy with it!!
The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service
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The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service
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Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!
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Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!
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I guess they can't get it right all of the time, I can testify to that on O2's behalf, they were crap for me.
Yea whatever you do dont go on 02, had a 30 day rolling contract with them.. took me 3months to get that canceled.
Im on orange now 500mb of internet is fine for me, i just do general internet browsing facebook etc. Ive worked out 500mb will get you 16mb a day. Mines from phones4u had no problem with them, just make sure you cancel all the insurance addons they give you (unless you want them)
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Sorry to sound like I'm fighting the tide but I've always found O2 to be decent, both for customer service and network. I've always managed to negotiate a deal with retentions that is comparable to the best competitor tariff. I'm kind of limited because O2 are the only network that get a signal inside my house. Voda, Orange and T-Mob are all low signal but that's because I'm in a semi-rural location.
In fact my local mast must have been upgraded recently because I started getting a strong H signal inside the house a few days ago when I ALWAYS had plain G before.
As for data plans, ALL the main networks in the UK are going to tiered data plans. There's no such thing as unlimited data any more, it's 500MB for starters and then increasing cost for more MBs (750,1000 etc).
I spoke to O2 about the data and they told me it was only going tiered on the iPhone. I didn't think it was true but it was kinda interesting to hear.
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If that's true then fair enough, but it would be sensible to keep an eye open in case O2 do change the data plans across the board. I took out a new contract on 22-June with "unlimited data". My understanding is that O2 are looking to review "unlimited" sometime in October. It doesn't afect me as such anyway because I tend to run at 200-300MB per month.
Im on the same tariff and I got the phone from carphone warehouse for 2 reasons, Orange weren't selling it at the time, and it was unbranded.
The tarrif works fine for me (Managed to go over the 3000 texts , I know not to do to much with the phone on 3G, So it only gets used for emails using the net and stuff, I don't watch videos on it or stream or anything for to keep myself covered
Install at 3G Usage monitor for good measure
I am on the same tariff too. Mine is locked and a pain, just wondering whether to root it or not. Is it actually worth it? I am only wanting to do it because I want to change how many apps boot up to save battery life since all the apps take up 60%+ of battery power?
Anyway, 500mb is fine for internet usage, so far. I have 3g.Watchdog app so it tells me when I go over 75% and warns me when I get close to my quota. Just don't stream and use it for MSN and browsing when your out. When I am in I use the WiFi
I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.
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I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.
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It does, but it doesn't give you a up-to date usage all the time, Im sure it states in the app minutes and data may be up-to 48 hours old
well due to the first few posts i decided to go against orange, just got off the phone from vodafone they hae stock but im on the end of the waiting list though it wont be soon before the phone is in the post, got the phone for free on £35 a month over 18months with 600mins unlimited texts + unlimited internet cant really complain!
i'm on orange and upgraded through them. i got
1100 mins
unlimited landline
unlimited internet
600 texts
£25 a month for 18 Months
I got my desire on orange, i have debranded mine & got it unlocked.
orange have been good to me never had any probs with customer service.
By the sounds of it some of you still run the stock Orange app, any chance someone could back the stock Rom up an send me a copy, would be mucho appreciated.
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