Got my desire yesterday, having defected from Windows Mobile and spent all yesterday and today getting very frustrated!!
I sucessfully set up my various email accounts - except one which requires a SSL outgoing SMTP server on port 465. When I put the correct settings into the setup wizard it simply fails to complete the account setup.
If I change any of the fields to an incorrect parameter, it gives an error but at least lets me save the settings and exit the wizard.
With the correct settings in place - it communicates with the server stating: "Verifying account information" and then promptly does nothing (it doesn't hang up, it just returns to the SMTP screen). The only way I can get out of the wizard is to enter an incorrect setting. This means that whilst receiving emails on this account is no problem, I am unable to reply to them or send any emails from this account.
I know there is nothing wrong with my ISP (T-mobile uk) because I am using the same SIM from my Touch-pro where this account worked fine for the previous 18 months.
Can anyone help please, before this very expensive piece of kit gets thrown out of the window
ricky173 said:
Got my desire yesterday, having defected from Windows Mobile and spent all yesterday and today getting very frustrated!!
I sucessfully set up my various email accounts - except one which requires a SSL outgoing SMTP server on port 465. When I put the correct settings into the setup wizard it simply fails to complete the account setup.
If I change any of the fields to an incorrect parameter, it gives an error but at least lets me save the settings and exit the wizard.
With the correct settings in place - it communicates with the server stating: "Verifying account information" and then promptly does nothing (it doesn't hang up, it just returns to the SMTP screen). The only way I can get out of the wizard is to enter an incorrect setting. This means that whilst receiving emails on this account is no problem, I am unable to reply to them or send any emails from this account.
I know there is nothing wrong with my ISP (T-mobile uk) because I am using the same SIM from my Touch-pro where this account worked fine for the previous 18 months.
Can anyone help please, before this very expensive piece of kit gets thrown out of the window
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Hmm I had this issue where it wouldn't progress with the SSL option, and just kept verifying then doing nothing. I presumed it meant the server connection I needed wasn't actually SSL and switched to TSL and then it worked.
ricky173 said:
Got my desire yesterday, having defected from Windows Mobile and spent all yesterday and today getting very frustrated!!
I sucessfully set up my various email accounts - except one which requires a SSL outgoing SMTP server on port 465. When I put the correct settings into the setup wizard it simply fails to complete the account setup.
If I change any of the fields to an incorrect parameter, it gives an error but at least lets me save the settings and exit the wizard.
With the correct settings in place - it communicates with the server stating: "Verifying account information" and then promptly does nothing (it doesn't hang up, it just returns to the SMTP screen). The only way I can get out of the wizard is to enter an incorrect setting. This means that whilst receiving emails on this account is no problem, I am unable to reply to them or send any emails from this account.
I know there is nothing wrong with my ISP (T-mobile uk) because I am using the same SIM from my Touch-pro where this account worked fine for the previous 18 months.
Can anyone help please, before this very expensive piece of kit gets thrown out of the window
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I got the same problem. It verifies and then goes back to the SMTP screen. Tried to change the security type from SSL to TSL to Nothing and still doesn't work. Only worked if I changed the port number to a wrong one which means I can receive but cannot send
I'm also having this issue. Very annoying!
I have opened a ticket with HTC over this and will let you know what they say...
I have the same problem. Reading another thread, this seems to come from the inability of Android to handle certificates properly. This is thread 663874 (for some reason the forum doesn't allow me to post the actual link) in this same sub-group.
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I have a couple of POP3 accounts on my O2 XDAIIs. I used to be able to download my email from ISP without problems.
Lately, when there is any email waiting, it will connect and try to download and pop up the following message "Messages cannot be downloaded to your mobile device. Make sure you are connected and that your e-mail account settings are correct. Then, try to download messages again."
The other POP3 accounts work fine, even with the same ISP, and this POP3 account used to work when I first got the unit. The POP3 account in question works fine from my Treo using the same SIM card (I have Cingular).
I searched all over the web and forums, I see many have the problem and some have not been able to resolve it. I tried:
1) Soft and Hard Reset
2) Deleting and reentering the account
3) Used the Sprite Mail cleanup utility (which basically cleans all emails and attachments)
4) Tried a registry key that had worked for some: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Inbox, create new DWORD ForceOffSSL and give it a value of 1.
5) Checked with my ISP – they could not see any problem with the account and works with anything else but my O2 XDA IIs.
6) I tried the Flemail 2006 program (formerly WebIS) and it worled for email. But the program is so buggy and slow that I had to delete it. This tells me the problem is with the native pocket outlook.
If there is NO email, it will connect, check and disconnect with no error.
There is a timeout somewhere. The other accounts can connect and download without problems.
Has anybody else had this problem and does anybody have any suggestions?
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No one else has had this problem? Any suggestions?
I know it is device specific as it works on the same GSM account on a Treo.
PPC6700 with same problem
I just purchased the PPC 6700 and I love the device itself, but I have had many problems with it after owning it for only 4 days.
1. Sprint failed to let me know that my phone had to be updated. Thanks! I only found out about this update after 1 hour of phone tech support trying to find out why my phone randomly went into flight mode. What a pain in the ***.
2. I have my own servers and cannot download my mail from them or my home isp. Sprint by the way repeatedly told me this must be an issue with you server. I told him after being on the phone for 3 hours (I could tell he wasn't happy) "You must be right! Microsoft has always developed software much more then anything ever put out in the Unix world".
So the only help I guess I can offer to you is "Yes, I have the same problem with the native outlook that comes with WM5.0
likegadgets said:
No one else has had this problem? Any suggestions?
I know it is device specific as it works on the same GSM account on a Treo.
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Whenever I see this (and I see it a alot) on mt XDA IIs, I just select Accounts|Clear <account>
If it doesnt work immediately then I restart the Outlook Inbox app and/or disconnect/reconnect.
Been through searching registry/deleting this & that database file / re/installing accounts. Havent had to do that for ages.
I access 5-6 pop accounts from various servers, several are my wife's. My bet is that it has something to do with whether the current status of the emails downloaded in your device matches the server etc - due to the function that you can delete the emails from the server by downloading, deleting and then deleting from the 'deleted items' folder and re-sycning
HTH
ME TOO! Any resolution??
I am having the SAME EXACT PROBLEM with my new 6700...did you ever find a resolution?
THanks,
I am having the same problem on a Hermes / TyTN.
My first TyTN was fine. I have 3 email accounts. 1 uses SSL and the other 2 don't. There were no problems using either account.
Having replaced my 1st TyTN with a new one (due to poor wifi on first device) I now get the message 'Messages cannot be downloaded to your mobile device. Make sure you are connected and that your e-mail account settings are correct. Then, try to download messages again'.
The only solution is to use the ForceOffSSL setting for my 2 none-SSL POP3 accounts. Then I have to reboot the TyTN without the ForceOffSSL settings to use my SSL POP3 account.
Continually changing the ForceOffSSL setting and rebooting is annoying, so for the time being I'm using nPOP email client for my non-SSL accounts.
getting an email timed out on cingular 8525
I am getting the same message 'Messages cannot be downloaded to your mobile device. Make sure you are connected and that your e-mail account settings are correct. Then, try to download messages again'. I am having the same problem intermittently with Htc Tytn with a pop account yahoo. I seem to connect without a problem on the internet but i do get this error intermittently. any solution?
Same here ... cannot send mail via OptOnline Account
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OK...I got a resolution to this last night on the Cingular forum.
Quick answer is that OOL's SMTP Server is locked down. I needed to change the outgoing server to Cingular's (CWMX.com).
Thanks to anyone who took the time to click-in on this thread.
Happy New Year, all!
-pvs
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Hi all, OK, this marks my first post on this board. I've been a lurker for a few months, and have settled into a Cingular 8525 as my first Pocket PC Phone.
I noticed a few days ago that I could not send mail via my OptOnline Account, unless I was using WiFi or the 8525 was tethered to my home PC via ActiveSync. I was thnking all along that it was probably due to some piece of third party software that I installed over the past few weeks (a hearty thanks to all on these forums who develop and/or market their wonderful wares, btw).
But today, for a lack of anything else to do, I hard reset and tried simply setting up that one account to try my machine out in its pure form. Lo and behold, I still get the same error, 'Messages cannot be downloaded to your mobile device. Make sure you are connected and that your e-mail account settings are correct. Then, try to download messages again.'
As a matter of fact, it seems this message itself is in error, since it happens when I try to SEND a message, not when I try to receive them. I have even received emails in this account at the same time this error message appears, but at any rate, messages in my outbox do not get sent.
As far as I can tell, all the settings are correct. I have played with them, and tried all the permutations I can think of, but this baby will not send mail via this account. My XpressMail and Hotmail accounts work fine, both sending and receiving, and I can browse the web fine via My ISP or WiFi.
I have spent a lot of time searching the web for an answer to this problem, but it seems it's been quite prevalent with WM5.0 devices for well over a year, and still does not have an answer.
So ... my first post ... which should have been a thank you all, and Happy New Year, has turned into a request for the talents of you folk who know so much more than I regarding these devices.
Can anyone please lend a hand? Also ... is it "legal" to cross-post this message onto other forums on this board?
Thanks so much to anyone who can provide a solution.
-Paul Slabowski (a.k.a. pvs)
I got it working
Like others in this thread I was getting the "unable to download messages to device" error when sending. My solution is:
Try leaving the 'domain' field blank.
It's on the Server Information page, and also on the Outgoing Settings if you 'Use separate settings' for your outgoing server.
Hope this helps you.
Rich
Domian Blank
My Domain is blank and frankly im just getting very agrivated by this. Does anybody eles have other advice to give towards this "cannot download message"?
I've got WM6, I've tried clearing and deleting the account, soft resetting the phone, making sure the domain field is empty, etc. It still gives this error for my POP account while my IMAP account is fine. Anyone find a solution?
Yes, deleting the domain really works in some cases (f.e. Gmail), but the same error occurs in my other account although I delete the domain. And funny thing is that it occurs only when there are some emails in outbox, receiving emails seems to work normnally :S
I'm still encountering this problem after trying everything on this post...
any other ideas?
Just had the same problem tonight. My mail server recently changed IP addresses, so I suspect DNS issues were the cause of my problem. I tried using the new IP address in place of the host name, but that didn't work for me. The account settings didn't seem fixable. Deleting the email account entirely and adding it back did the trick.
I have had my TP2 for a few days now and i love it, except for the fact that I cannot send or receive email from my gmail account
I can access the internet fine, and use the youtube app fine, but whenever i try to send an email or hit send/receive i get this error message
"CANNOT CONNECT WITH CURRENT CONNECTIONS SETTINGS. TO CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS, TAP SETTINGS"
When i set up the email the only things i was required to supply were my email address and password....so i am assuming the problem lies with the way my handset is trying to access the gmail account, ie. trying to use wifi or something? (i dont have wifi, so i will only be using the "unlimited" interent provided with my t-mobile UK tariff)
has anyone else had this problem or do they know how to get around it as i have finally got myself a decent handset where i can (allegedly!) check my email on the move, but yet i somehow cant get it working?!!
Ihave tried both hard and soft resets to get this sorted but it just wont work and i feel like pulling my hair out!
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I know it's not much consolation but it just worked for me...
I have a SIM free TP2 and UK T-Mobile Web'n'Walk.
Incoming mail server is imap.gmail.com
Account type is IMAP4
Username is my full gmail username
Outgoing mail server is smtp.gmail.com
outgoing server requires authentication is ticked
All this was set via automatic configuration.
Hope this helps,
Richard
This is what i have done to recieve and send Gmail trueout the standard email client on my Pro II.
First of all you have to enable imap at your gmail account which you can find under settings.
Then on your phone do the following settings.
- make an new account in your email client
- fill in your gmail adress
- fill in your name
- fill at incomming mail "imap.gmail" and account type "imap"
- fill in your account name (gmail adress) and password
- fill at outgoing mail server smtp.gmail.com
and those two checkboxes must be checked
- auto recieve and send is up to you
hope this will help you
ther's a known bug in windows mobile poutlook...
sometimes the autoconf for gmail doesn't work...(i had the same issue on my omnia)
you only need to enter the account details by hand..
to do that, in the first screen where your address is asked, enter [email protected]
leave it without the final m.
after that fill in manually all the account details, then when finished edit the account and put that m in the domain...
that should work...at least in my omnia was the only way to get gmail working...
I used this guide en it works perfectly
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78886
hi, thanks or all the replies, most appreciated.
however, i have now established that i can get my gmail account working - but only over wifi!?!? when the wireless router is turned off i get the same message as before, so there must be a setting or something that is telling my TP2 to look for a wireless connection when performing a send/receive, rather than using the "internet" (if thats the right term) that is included in my contract..AAAARGH...
i have had a look but cannot find any settings for this so i must be going mad?
can anyone shed any light on this for me before i go mad??!!
quasar99 said:
hi, thanks or all the replies, most appreciated.
however, i have now established that i can get my gmail account working - but only over wifi!?!? when the wireless router is turned off i get the same message as before, so there must be a setting or something that is telling my TP2 to look for a wireless connection when performing a send/receive, rather than using the "internet" (if thats the right term) that is included in my contract..AAAARGH...
i have had a look but cannot find any settings for this so i must be going mad?
can anyone shed any light on this for me before i go mad??!!
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Disable proxyserver, don't have the place where you can find this. I have a dutch rom
I have a gmail imap connection on my HTC Touch that was working great but has failed to connect for the past two hours or so.
I found that to change from Download 30 Days to 7 days and it worked fine.
Oddly I returned my TP2, and switched back to my VarioV, same problem (had worked fine until then). New TP2 is now here, so will start with 7 days and try expanding to 30 days later.
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Disable proxyserver, don't have the place where you can find this. I have a dutch rom
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does anyone know how to do this? i cannot find this option anywhere?
is there any way i can see how my tp2 is trying to receive data from my gmail account, ie. if it is trying to use internet or wifi?!?
also, does anyone have any details for the settings that their tp2 (on t-mobile UK) is using when trying to retrieve email (not by wifi)??!
i'm also assuming that t-mobile wont be able to help me as i got my phone/contract via a third party and t-mobile themselves dont seem to stock the phone themselves....
I had this problem, it drove me nuts until I worked out what it was, if i was already connected it would work but it would not establish its own new connection.
To fix it go into the email settings for the account, then select:
Edit Account Setup
Next
Next
Next
Next (Outgoing (SMTP) mail server screen)
Click the “Advanced Server Settings” Link
In the “Network connections” it defaults to “The Internet” but if you have gone through the “Connection Setup Wizard” when you first installed your SIM it renames the connection, in my case to “T-Mobile Internet”.
Change “Network Connections” to the correct one i.e. “T-Mobile Internet”
hey presto, you can now get your emails
hope this helps everyone
nlhall said:
I had this problem, it drove me nuts until I worked out what it was, if i was already connected it would work but it would not establish its own new connection.
To fix it go into the email settings for the account, then select:
Edit Account Setup
Next
Next
Next
Next (Outgoing (SMTP) mail server screen)
Click the “Advanced Server Settings” Link
In the “Network connections” it defaults to “The Internet” but if you have gone through the “Connection Setup Wizard” when you first installed your SIM it renames the connection, in my case to “T-Mobile Internet”.
Change “Network Connections” to the correct one i.e. “T-Mobile Internet”
hey presto, you can now get your emails
hope this helps everyone
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if the connection has a proxy in the setup, than you can use that connection only if selected like above...
if you leave "The internet" the proxy settings are ignored...you have to select the exact connection..but this will prevent the gmail to connect with wifi
Hi all,
I got my Desire yesterday. It is a gorgeous device, but has one fatal flaw. The POP/IMAP manual e-mail setup in HTC mail is not working.
Gmail or Hotmail work fine - there is no need for a manual setup, the phone does it for you.
But Yahoo, or any other custom mail does not work. When setting up the incoming and outgoing mail server, the phone gets stuck at the incoming mail server setting and doesn't advance to the outgoing server setting as it should.
After you set up the incoming mail server you hit next and the phone checks online and a popup says "Verifying account settings". After this is done, I believe it should advance to outgoing server settings, but it doesn't and gets stuck at the incoming server settings screen...
This is a very fatal mistake and problem - one of the main functions of a smartphone not working...
Can you guys see if it works for you - maybe its only my unit that is faulty?
peterkupcek said:
Hi all,
I got my Desire yesterday. It is a gorgeous device, but has one fatal flaw. The POP/IMAP manual e-mail setup in HTC mail is not working.
Gmail or Hotmail work fine - there is no need for a manual setup, the phone does it for you.
But Yahoo, or any other custom mail does not work. When setting up the incoming and outgoing mail server, the phone gets stuck at the incoming mail server setting and doesn't advance to the outgoing server setting as it should.
After you set up the incoming mail server you hit next and the phone checks online and a popup says "Verifying account settings". After this is done, I believe it should advance to outgoing server settings, but it doesn't and gets stuck at the incoming server settings screen...
This is a very fatal mistake and problem - one of the main functions of a smartphone not working...
Can you guys see if it works for you - maybe its only my unit that is faulty?
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I got it set it up on my University IMAP fine, I had this issue but just had to change the security type to TSL.
Unfortunately that doesn't work for me...
It is very weird, as the same settings worked with K-9 mail app without any issues...
I got the same issue so I use K-9 Mail instead (which I prefer since it seems to push my emails faster)
I can't get it to sign in to gmail. I have a @googlemail account, and it just fails to verify account information every time. All other mail accounts, Hotmail and proper POP3, work fine.
That's cause you use the Gmail app for Googlemail, not the normal mail app
EddyOS said:
That's cause you use the Gmail app for Googlemail, not the normal mail app
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I prefer to use the HTC mail widget. Anyway, I got the thing going now, by connecting via imap instead.
I'm in touch with HTC customer service and we're trying to figure out what is wrong. I'll set up a test account for them so that they can test it and see why the e-mail is not being set-up. Will update later...
i set up gmail as an exchange server.. Only done it half hour ago but it should be push now
I'm also having this same issue. (Trying to use SSL.)
Anyone manage to made Yahoo Mail wotking on IMAP? I have an YahooPlus account and I can connect using a WM device, but no chance with Desire [using the same settings as in WN device]. On Desire, it stuck on first step - setting of incoming IMAP mail server, saying each time "wrong username/pw"....
Same issue for me
Same issue for me
Anyone manage to made Yahoo Mail wotking on IMAP?
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Not IMAP but with POP3, yep. Works flawlessly.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
Has anyone sorted this out ? I've having the same issue with the imap setup on my desire. Very frustrating after shelling out for this thing.
Cheers
Have you tried using the stock Android mail app which can be found here:
http://rhedgehog.com/apk/email.apk
I prefer this to the HTC Sense mail app and its much more flexible/configurable during the set-up phase, I had problems with my Uni account swapped to this and no problems since then using IMAP, POP and SMTP
I also have difficulties getting IMAP+SSL to work with the HTC mail application.
I suspect it has something to do with the certificate. The server I'm trying to connect to doesn't have a verified certificate, and you don't get prompted to accept the certificate, as you do if you use the K-9 mail app.
Jesper_L said:
I also have difficulties getting IMAP+SSL to work with the HTC mail application.
I suspect it has something to do with the certificate. The server I'm trying to connect to doesn't have a verified certificate, and you don't get prompted to accept the certificate, as you do if you use the K-9 mail app.
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I had same kind of problems with Hero after upgrading to android 2.1.
Problem seems to be related to setup procedure. It is not able to prompt certificate acceptance dialog. But if you setup account with address that is not existing or where is not imaps service running it will say that it can't verify account but you are able to continue. After creating account launch mail application, go to settings and put real server name. At this point it will prompt certificate acceptance dialog and after that it is working.
I of course had the same trouble on my Aria but managed to get it working by following these instructions:
first open mail.
enter manual setup.
INCOMING:
as for settings:
protocol: Imap
Email: [email protected]
user name: youraccount
password: your password
IMAP server: imap.mail.yahoo.com
security type: none
server port:143
OUTGOING:
login required is checked
user name: youraccount
password: your password
SMTP server: smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com
security type: none
server port: 587
NOTE: if it still wont let you set up incoming server, try first entering in a non-existent server. such as imap.mail.yahoo.commm or something. it will give you an error message but hit continue. NOT OK! from there set up outgoing correctly.
then exit.
then launch mail app and select that account. click menu-more-settings-account settings and enter the correct server address.
hopefully this works for you guys as it did for me.
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forgot to add, if possible, make sure wifi is off.
also, I have discovered that htc mail wont log in unless you are SIGNED OUT of your yahoo account everywhere else. i had my laptop automatically loading yahoo's web pasge and i guess it was messing it up. so sign out of yahoo mail before closing your browser.
hope this helps.
sent my yahoo and my talktalk account up on my phone..fine!
HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to do this on my WiFi as it would not connect over 3G...
Hello all.
A few weeks ago, my HTC mail app started acting up telling me "Login failed" anytime I tried refreshing the app to check my emails from both my Yahoo & Gmail account I have set upon it. I called Sprint, and after a ##3282# mission with them, they were able to get it to work. I was able to get my Gmail to work again, but the Yahoo mail wouldn't allow me to log in.
However, yesterday it started doing it again. This time, I tried the #3282# technique myself to no avail. I tried clearing the data from the app, but when I try to enter my user name/password, it tells me: "Authentication failed. Please check your user name/password." I know the login info ir correct, because I can login on any computer. Also, the dedicated Yahoo app works. However, I like using the HTC app for my emails and I want to get that one working again.
Sprint is now telling me they don't know what is going on, and want to:
a) Do a complete factory reset to my phone, or
b) Take it in to a Sprint store for service.
Does anyone have any ideas of something I can try before giving in to them?
I have the direct number to Sprint Tech Support, and they have me on hold researching the issue now. However, I don't think they are going to come back with anything helpful. I think I just got lucky with a good tech the first time I called and am now dealing with far less tech-savvy people.
Ok, so I found a tech at Sprint that was good. Here is what I had to do to get everything to work:
First, make sure you are on 3G. As silly as it may sound, being on WiFi did NOT allow me to sign in to adjust the incoming/outgoing server settings.
Incoming server settings:
Protocol: IMAP
IMAP Server: imap.mail.yahoo.com
Security type: None
Port: 143
Outgoing server settings:
Login required: (checked)
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
Security type: None
Server port: 25
I hope this helps somebody out, because when I Googled my problem, a bunch of hits came up with no real solution.
Right got my Trophy on Saturday and setting it up to work with work e-mail (Exchange 2003) has been tricky to say the least! However I seem to have fixed it and thought I'd share as a weekend of googling and binging couldn't bring an answer.
THE PROBLEM
I wasn't getting any sync with the server and a variety of error codes, despite having installed our certificate as recommended across the web (e-mailed to myself via Hotmail).
Error Code: 80072EE2
Error Code: 85010014
Error Code: 80072EFD (this was the most popular)
Error Code: 80072FA8
Given that the cert had worked fine with my TD2, Android Phones, iPhone and Nokia this was infuriating to say the least, especially when there is a lot to like about the rest of the phone.
What had I done wrong?
BACKGROUND
Setup Hotmail first, then Facebook and then turned my attention to Exchange. Was running through the wizard in the hope of being prompted to load a cert (a la Nokia EAS, but no luck). We don't have self discovery and only use our external IP address to connect to the server (no URL) so had to let it fail three times before being allowed to enter the advanced options. So unsurprisingly with everything in place I got a cert error. Read up how to get it on the device (e-mail to yourself on an already working e-mail account, in my case Hotmail). Still no luck.
After that it all become a non-productive cycle of googling error codes on the web, "power cycling" (turning on and off by a posher name), deleting the account, reinstalling the certificate, reinstalling the account, etc, etc with no luck.
So how'd I solve it - simple, but worth writing down should anyone else not want to waste a weekend! (Caveat - worked for me, can only hope it works for you)
THE ANSWER
1 - Hard reset the phone to start from scratch
2 - As part of the initial setup process entered my Windows Live ID for my Hotmail account.
3 - Connected to Wi-fi to speed up sync.
4 - Once all synced went to my Hotmail Inbox and installed the copy of the certificate I'd sent myself before.
5 - Did a "power cycle" - Turned off phone and then briefly removed battery to be extra sure.
6 - Turned phone back on and added Outlook Account.
7 - All is now working fine - I have contacts, appointments and mail as well as push in both directions (changes made on Outlook come through to device and vice versa).
Now very pleased with the phone, but why this was such a trial between two Microsoft products is beyond me!
Niall
it might be worth getting an ssl from godday $30
save your self a weekend of pain
I just sent the cert to my exchange account and logged in to OWA, clicked the cert, installed it, set up the exchange sync.