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Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
Maybe next time, punctuation. Maybe next time...
Personally, I'm in the 'Buy a phone for what it can do now, not what I hope it might be able to do in the future' school of thought.
Sure, no WP7 is a disappointment, but if you own an HD2 (as I did for a while), you got what was being promised. For me, it was the lack of a keyboard that made me get a TP2, but the HD2 is still one helluva phone.
No announcement has been made. I'm gonna laugh if the HD2 ends up getting an update.
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
I would be glad to take your HTC HD2 off your hands
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
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It's not so much the lack of an upgrade that's the problem, it's the combination of that plus WP7 being incompatible with Windows Mobile software. That's one thing nobody was predicting a few months ago, and it means that there is no longer any reason for a commercial software company to continue working on any Windows Mobile project - see, for example, Adobe's decision to scrap FlashPlayer on WinMo.
To say "your phone won't get an OS upgrade" is one thing, but to say "your phone won't get an upgrade, and incidentally we also neglected to mention that your phone's current OS would cease to be a viable platform for commercial software about three months after you buy it" is something else.
And it is not by any means certain that there will be custom ROMs based on WP7.
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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alright that finally explains it. Didn't know they got an official WM5 release.
The HTC HD2 is an impressive device even without WP7 As for upgrading it, there will be a debate but, they will chose to release a HD3 instead. Feel free to sign the petition though,lol http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
I'm quite on the contrary
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
it's so true ....
chassit said:
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
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That’s what comes to my mind when I think Windows Mobile vs. Android
Actually I really don't care if Windows Phone 7 doesn’t get an "official" release for HD2.... Its current state is a "Solid Windows Mobile 6.5 PocketPC" which is exactly what was intended for it to be.
enjoy your little crappy java machine LOL that'll show em.
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Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
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"mabey" go to school and learn to spell next time? Just as a suggestion..
For Sale
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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I PM'd you with my offer
As a long time poster and developer at XDA, I'd just like to go on record as saying that my Tilt 2 is the best Windows phone I've ever owned. Fast, efficient and pretty much crash free, this phone has powered my mobile life more effectively and efficiently than any of the predecessors I've owned.
It's a shame that the Windows Mobile OS finally reached its promise only to fade away. WP will be nothing that I want a part of so I'll be moving to Android ITNF just as soon as I can find a device that can match the specs of my Tilt2 on AT&T.
Anyway, kudos to HTC for this one. You broke the mold for sure and showed me that WM really could be up to the task of a daily workhorse in more areas than I could ever have dreamed of.
completely agree. i switched to android for a spell, but came back because it wasnt quite there for an actual business tool. however i have been following it and i think with the additions of some security protocals coming in 3.0 i may make the switch. as far as my tp2 goes, its a rock solid device. sure it took a lot of tweeking but in the end this thing is a work horse and i lament the loss of such a great os. if ms put any effort into it, they wouldnt have had to do wp7 at all, and android wouldnt have gotten off the ground. but oh well, it is what it is.
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WP will be nothing that I want a part of so I'll be moving to Android ITNF just as soon as I can find a device that can match the specs of my Tilt2 on AT&T.
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not to argue with you over your preferences but I’m not sure you have taken the time to go through and look at all that WP7 has to offer, you should check out the WP7 videos on pocketnow.com YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo I admit at first look it made me think WTF but as I read more in to it and learn more about the new OS I get more and more excited for this new platform. Multitasking isn’t there from day one but I believe that the team behind this OS know what they are doing and I believe that feature will come to fruition soon after release.
As for the specs the tilt2 is a great phone but not when it comes to specs, WP7 has standardized specs starting well above the tilt2 specs.
I do agree that the tilt2 is a great phone and android is going in the right direction for itself, but I think you should give WP7 another chance and look at what it has to offer you and everyone else, I believe this is truly the first mobile OS with Business users, home users, gamers and developers in mind.
My biggest problems with WP7 are its locked down, abstracted filesystem, lack of multi-tasking support, and app-store only enhancement source. Taken straight from Apple, these are also many of the reasons why I'll never buy an iPhone. The fact that SD card support exists is a joke since the filesystem is "striped" onto the card rather than targeted there.
Conversely, there are already several free developer tools for Android and underneath the hood, its Linux with a rich, well-known file-system having traditional SD card support. I have many self-developed apps on my Tilt2; it was easy to develop for since WM had the same code-base architecture as windows. As a Java developer, I'm expecting a short learning curve for Android as well, not to mention a large inventory of custom ROMs to choose from.
Hate to see you leaving the WM world, I've been using your apps since my Hermes.
I must agree, the TP2 is one work horse of a device, and after a little tweaking one of the fastest most stable I've owned. I'm torn between WP7 and Android for my next device, I do know it will be something from HTC tho.
For me, the Touch Pro2 is the best mobile device up to date. I guess I'll move to Android later as WP7 isn't exactly what I where waiting for.
Shame that Rhodium hasn't got 2x ram and a snap dragon processor. This probably would enhance it's lifetime.
Shame that also Palm has gave up mobile devices. I would be really excited to see a lifted palmOS device. Like an updated Palm Pre with a qwerty keyboard... Ahhh! I would love it.
OK I currently have a Samsung Fascinate, and im starting to get fed up with android and there horribly slow update time frame, and the bugs with this phone i wanna like it but for some reason i cant seem to.But i think what the problem is with android is that its so open and so many phone makers are making android phone these days and so fast its to much to kepp them all updated with the newest software version. And i have had a droid eris, droid incredible, a droid x, and now the samsung fascinate, and none of them seem to satisfy me. So my question to you guys is would it be worth switching from android to win7 when verizon gets some win 7 models this spring.
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OK I currently have a Samsung Fascinate, and im starting to get fed up with android and there horribly slow update time frame, and the bugs with this phone i wanna like it but for some reason i cant seem to.But i think what the problem is with android is that its so open and so many phone makers are making android phone these days and so fast its to much to kepp them all updated with the newest software version. And i have had a droid eris, droid incredible, a droid x, and now the samsung fascinate, and none of them seem to satisfy me. So my question to you guys is would it be worth switching from android to win7 when verizon gets some win 7 models this spring.
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It all depends on what you want in a phone. I can only speak for myself about why I choose WP7 over the others, and that is because I prefer quality over quantity. For me, WP7 is the best mobile OS ever created. It has fine craftsmanship and superb quality written all over. It is a product that was labored over for a long time to make it the best it can be, regarding functionality, ease of operation, simplicity and quality of user experience. That is what I like. I'm attracted to effort from the heart. Like artwork, where the artist pours his/her self into what they create. WP7 is exactly that.
Do other systems currently have more features than WP7? Yes. But I was fully aware of the setup from the git-go. I knew a lot of features would be temporarily absent when I bought my HD7. But the good news is, there's an update scheduled for Jan that is *rumored* to be massive and provide so much more functionality that it will seem like WP8.
Compared to automobiles, WP7 is more akin to a Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Infiniti, whereas the other systems are more akin to ordinary cars. The world's leading software makers, who made Windows 7, which is the best and fastest selling PC OS in history and massively praised from every corner of the spectrum, have put together the world's best mobile OS in WP7.
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It all depends on what you want in a phone. I can only speak for myself about why I choose WP7 over the others, and that is because I prefer quality over quantity. For me, WP7 is the best mobile OS ever created. It has fine craftsmanship and superb quality written all over. It is a product that was labored over for a long time to make it the best it can be, regarding functionality, ease of operation, simplicity and quality of user experience. That is what I like. I'm attracted to effort from the heart. Like artwork, where the artist pours his/her self into what they create. WP7 is exactly that.
Do other systems currently have more features than WP7? Yes. But I was fully aware of the setup from the git-go. I knew a lot of features would be temporarily absent when I bought my HD7. But the good news is, there's an update scheduled for Jan that is *rumored* to be massive and provide so much more functionality that it will seem like WP8.
Compared to automobiles, WP7 is more akin to a Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Infiniti, whereas the other systems are more akin to ordinary cars. The world's leading software makers, who made Windows 7, which is the best and fastest selling PC OS in history and massively praised from every corner of the spectrum, have put together the world's best mobile OS in WP7.
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The car analogy is a good one, I like android but it is like a fully loaded Ford (no disrespect) whereas WP7 is like a Ferrari, it oozes quality and design integrity, just doesn't have all the "toys" yet, but it will do.
just to add to that, i think if you give it a couple of months, play the wait and see game. there is a lot of hype around the first update, and althrough i have already jumped on the windows phone 7 bandwagon, i would suggest that if you're in no real rush, wait till the update comes out, and then compare windows phone to android, and ensure that it has all that you desire in a phone. and if it doesn't, are you willing to give up these things for what you may not have in android (e.g. uniformity, battery life [maybe?], and stability).
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just to add to that, i think if you give it a couple of months, play the wait and see game. There is a lot of hype around the first update, and althrough i have already jumped on the windows phone 7 bandwagon, i would suggest that if you're in no real rush, wait till the update comes out, and then compare windows phone to android, and ensure that it has all that you desire in a phone. And if it doesn't, are you willing to give up these things for what you may not have in android (e.g. Uniformity, battery life [maybe?], and stability).
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android is not very stable
wp7 will be the best ...
If, as you say, you'll be waiting until Spring, then you'll already have the first update, maybe even a second one, and the biggest missing features will be there, so I'd say, go for it.
Well i think im going to switch once verizon gets a win7 phone that i like. You guys were very helpful and i think i will like windows alot better once i pick one up and use one, android has just become to aggravating for me lol.
87jason said:
Well i think im going to switch once verizon gets a win7 phone that i like. You guys were very helpful and i think i will like windows alot better once i pick one up and use one, android has just become to aggravating for me lol.
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If you haven't, I'd say go to an at&t or t-mobile store and try it out. I'm a 6.5 to 7 convert who's also used android and 7 is a blast to use. As it's been said, if this January update does come on time and does the fixes they're hyping, it might be the best OS out there.
In Poland WP7 is upcoming soon.....
I also have a Samsung Fascinate - with the help of the devs here on XDA it is a very usable phone running leaked Android 2.2 builds (and the official update appears to be finally coming out today or tomorrow).
That said, I would shell out a few bucks to Microsoft for a version of WP7 that could be installed on the Fascinate...
Wishful thinking, I realize... particularly being on a CDMA carrier - but I gotta wonder why there aren't devices being offered that can run a choice of OSes.
I suspect there are a number of GSM phones out there running Android on hardware that could support WP7 (and vis-versa). the economics and support hurdles of such an offering obviously make the ODMs and carriers shy away from this idea, but for the population of mobile device enthusiasts who hang out on forums like this, it would be a pretty cool selling point for a phone to be able to run WP7 or Android.
[EDIT] I just searched a bit and saw that XDA folks have done an Android-or-WP7 dual boot config on the HTC HD2... How's that working out?
ohhh, this is an interesting thread a few months later !
Any good "dual-bootable" (WP7 + Android) hardware out there?
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ohhh, this is an interesting thread a few months later !
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Yeah - perhaps I should've started a new thread for the dual-boot question - sort of changed the topic.
Which one is likely to be a more open device for overall platform and software development without having to jump through AppHubs or ChevronUnlockers, etc.
Thanks
Doesn't really matter actually. Both have customs rom with full unlock.
But if you'd like to publish it on the marketplace I would suggest an HD7 as it's an official device and has a lot less bugs (e.g. hd2 multitouch got better but's still sometimes a pain, bluetooth/wifi combination...)
If you are only interested in Windows Phone, then you can go with HD7.
How you guys enjoying upside-down camera in Skype app (after latest update)? :laugh:
Are you still waiting for "WP internals 2.2"? Are you necromancers (or necrophils)? :laugh:
So, trust me (to a man who has and used WP much earlier than you heard about it), WP/W10M platform is almost dead, and damn M$ do everything to kill it (even hardware isn't too outdated). Best we can do, is to sell these damn handsets on eBay (while they cost at least a few bucks). I predict, this summer you'll not be able to sell L-950/Xl even for a $50!
Will be glad to hear any real-life arguments about latest M$ "bugdate"... BTW, if you really enjoy upside-down camera in Skype - please do not reply...
As i said in reddit, gonna quote myself.
The Microsoft CEO has no clue on what to do. Maybe Satya has some aces up his sleeve but at this point i serously doubt it. Like when you are watching The voice and you're waiting for Jesus Christ to come down and blow your head off... but Jesus Christ doesn't come.
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Still happy for what my Lumia is....just a companion
The death of platform forced me (a complete Windows user without any other platform) to use my laptop most of times. For example, using Word for college work and some websites like my college one dosen't load properly on my Lumia 730. That times, when most of my friends use their phones for those tasks, I take out my trusty laptop. Even for Spotify, I hate the Mobile app but the desktop app and web works fine. So for me, the phone is just a companion not more than that at all, like others who use phones and iPads for little work.
Waiting for Surface Phone to change that and I want it to be more productive than Android/iOS.
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this is zambi
not dead
i hope my 950XL works one year more no (big) problems, camera is excellent...
btw... is easy to get back to AU and have less problems
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i hope my 950XL works one year more no (big) problems, camera is excellent...
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I thought so but looks like M$ have a different plan Skype is a primary functionality (at least for me). What bug we should expect next? Impossibility to make phone calls or send SMS?
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btw... is easy to get back to AU and have less problems
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This will not solve Skype issue. And w/o updates many apps become non-working...
But the worst news is: this showstopper means - there is ABSOLUTELY NO QUALITY ASSURANCE for releases, nobody at M$ testing/care about W10M releases! What if student-intern or outsourced contractor from Bangalore, India will add a rootkit/troyan/malicious code to the next release?!
W10M become very dangerous OS, it's not safe to use it anymore...
No, it isn't dead. In fact, Microsoft released the new build 15254.158 a few days ago.
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No, it isn't dead. In fact, Microsoft released the new build 15254.158 a few days ago.
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That's a security patch... meltdown protection and other stuff... It's not like a new version of the os with features.
Sensoboston, i wat to buy your 950 xl. Detail on PM.
@augustinionut, I don't have XL. 950 only. And I'll sell 'em (we have 2) on eBay only.
I have no skype problems.
I just turned my head upside down
I suggest to the moderator of this forum, to close this thread, because it's useless and misleading. W10M is still supported and updated!
If you don't like W10M anymore, just don't use it!
mikevespa said:
I suggest to the moderator of this forum, to close this thread, because it's useless and misleading. W10M is still supported and updated!
If you don't like W10M anymore, just don't use it!
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No reason to close the thread honestly, if you have evidence that it is supported and updated, then post up and let's get a real conversation going. Prove the OP wrong and let's see what MS is doing that you like, or could do better.
We can keep an eye out but I haven't seen anything in this thread that would warrant it being closed.
Windows 10 Mobile really IS more dead than alive.
If I remember correctly MS promised to backport new APIs to W10M, so it could use new or updated UWP apps. This seems like just another broken promise.
As Microsoft has removed Windows 10 Mobile from the Windows 10 SDK, this is the last nail in the coffin.
"Without presence of Mobile in the SDK, no new apps can be developed, and developers can’t update their apps anymore."
"As PC moves on, Mobile has got stuck on Redstone 2. So if a developer wants to update his UWP app, he has to split it into two versions, one for Mobile and the other for rest."
"Microsoft has already stopped updating many of their apps, and it is a matter of time before other developers follow suit."
Source: https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/12/29/mentions-windows-10-mobile-removed-windows-10-sdk/
The PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE definition is no longer needed because the core is the same and shared among PC, mobile, XBOX, HoloLens and IoT
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The PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE definition is no longer needed because the core is the same and shared among PC, mobile, XBOX, HoloLens and IoT
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DECEMBER 2015 - Build 11082
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/12/16/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-11082/
This includes the changes that have also been going out as cumulative updates through Windows Update on your PCs running the Windows 10 November Update as well as on phones running Windows 10 too. We’re also working on some structural improvements to OneCore, which is the shared core of Windows across devices. Essentially, OneCore is the heart of Windows, and these improvements to OneCore make building Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, Hololens and Xbox more efficient. We’re doing some code refactoring and other engineering work to make sure OneCore is optimally structured for teams to start checking in new features and improvements in the new year."
JANUARY 2016 - Build 11099
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-11099/
"this build does not include big noticeable changes or new features yet. Our focus through the holidays was on structural improvements to OneCore, which is the shared core of Windows across devices. The code refactoring and other engineering work we’ve been doing to optimize OneCore is nearing the point where we will be ready for teams to begin checking in new features and improvements. It will still be a few builds before any really noticeable changes show up, depending on when teams begin lighting up new features in their areas. We’re excited for Insiders to use this build to validate the work we’ve been doing to OneCore, so give this build a try and let us know of any issues you run into via the Windows Feedback app."
AUGUST 2016 - Anniversary Update
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...indows-10-insider-preview-build-14901-for-pc/
"We are focusing on making some structural improvements to OneCore which is the shared “heart” of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, Hololens and Xbox. We’re doing some code refactoring and other engineering work to make sure OneCore is optimally structured for teams to start checking in new features and improvements in a few months. As a result, these builds may include more bugs and other issues that could be slightly more painful for some people to live with"
APRIL 2017
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...er-preview-build-16176-pc-build-15204-mobile/
"We are also releasing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 15204 to Insiders in the Fast ring. As we release new builds from our Development Branch for PC, we will also be doing the same for Windows 10 Mobile just like we have been in the past. However, Windows Insiders will likely notice some minor differences. The biggest difference being that the build number and branch won’t match the builds we will be releasing for PC. This is a result of more work we’re doing to converge code into OneCore – the heart of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, HoloLens, Xbox and more as we continue to develop new improvements for Windows 10 Mobile and our enterprise customers."
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APRIL 2017
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-15204-mobile/
"We are also releasing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 15204 to Insiders in the Fast ring. As we release new builds from our Development Branch for PC, we will also be doing the same for Windows 10 Mobile just like we have been in the past. However, Windows Insiders will likely notice some minor differences. The biggest difference being that the build number and branch won’t match the builds we will be releasing for PC.
This is a result of more work we’re doing to converge code into OneCore – the heart of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, HoloLens, Xbox and more as we continue to develop new improvements for Windows 10 Mobile and our enterprise customers."
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Your info is from when Windows Mobile 10 was pulled out of Windows 10 "main" branch with the "feature2" branch and was basically frozen at Redstone 2. Which of course means that any further development and improvements of OneCore from there on will never reach W10M. Just like other parts of the OS will never get updated, W10M is stuck with Edge version 40 and won't get any new Cortana features.
W10M has not been part of the OneCore development since it was left behind in "feature2".
That's the reason why Microsoft said they would backport some APIs from Redstone 3 (Fall Creators Update) and Redstone 4 to W10M "feature2" / Redstone 2. But the question now is if they changed their minds, when they are already removing W10M from the Windows 10 SDK.
BTW, the "PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE" definition has nothing to do with OneCore / Windows kernel. It's a definition in the GetProductInfo function which tells a program which product type of Windows it's running on. "_CORE" in this case is just used for basic / consumer editions, like "PRODUCT_CORE" is used for Windows 10 Home and "PRODUCT_PROFESSIONAL" is used for Windows 10 Pro. There even was a "PRODUCT_MOBILE_ENTERPRISE" for Windows 10 Mobile Enterprise.
sensboston said:
How you guys enjoying upside-down camera in Skype app (after latest update)? :laugh:
Are you still waiting for "WP internals 2.2"? Are you necromancers (or necrophils)? :laugh:
So, trust me (to a man who has and used WP much earlier than you heard about it), WP/W10M platform is almost dead, and damn M$ do everything to kill it (even hardware isn't too outdated). Best we can do, is to sell these damn handsets on eBay (while they cost at least a few bucks). I predict, this summer you'll not be able to sell L-950/Xl even for a $50!
Will be glad to hear any real-life arguments about latest M$ "bugdate"... BTW, if you really enjoy upside-down camera in Skype - please do not reply...
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It is in ones perspective.
From a consumer standpoint the Devices dropped off and the OS is crawling along instead of running with the other builds like before. Unfortunately W10M is heading to a dead end. Fortunately for me it has no bearing either way. My phone calls still work, email, data, wifi etc. No need to move to something else, or declare my device obsolete. Ya Microsoft is not officially supporting W10M with no builds and features, but it is still supported with patches and such. For me to have a 4 year old device (in some cases) still running the latest and greatest Microsoft has to offer is fine by me. We all have different needs. If it aint working for you then it is fine to find what you need that does work. I personally really enjoy the basic functionality out of the box of the Lumias. Plus it is easy and cheap to find parts if something fixable on them breaks
From a developer standpoint, I bet this feels like a shot in the foot though from Microsoft in some ways. They basically drove off all their developers by not pushing out newer mobile devices or ways to make the Windows OS stick on phones. But maybe that was their plan since 2015...That is the way I see it anyway
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My phone calls still work, email, data, wifi etc.
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But what do you do with a Skype, may I ask you? Do you do acrobatic stunts and meet other people via Skype on your head?
I believe, my 9 yo "dumb phone" from Motorola still can receive phone calls, emails etc. (but I never tried since 2010) if I'll find working and active "big" SIM-card. But this definitely not a point! My point is: Lumia 950 (handset costs me about $650 - via 2 years contract extension with AT&T) become unusable for most common tasks. I can't use Skype, I can't control quadcopter with it, I can't even unlock a bicycle from VBikes company! And can't do a lot of other things...
And, finally, I'm really tired from the usual L-950 customers "prayer": "But the camera is outstanding!" No, sir, nothing outstanding for the current times.