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Heya Minty here =D , Just sat here with a question
Now probably most of the devs here know that Froyo is 450% faster then Eclair
My question :
Are there any plans of getting Froyo on the HTC black*sheit*stone *coughcough* ?
And if so Is it going to run like hell or wha =D ?
Thanks =^.^=
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Minty
thatd b f§$%in mint!!! =D
You can find the Review of the Froyo Android benchmarked with linpack >>Here<<<
And @ N!ghty Yeah it would be fecking Mint =D !
well, lets hope that someone will attend to the job then X=) :drool:
I kind of really hope so too =D , Now we all need is a Rom wich u just can flash on the HD , Instead of the Haret winmo Kernel killer, and i'm not getting rid of my blackbrick
It's not even close to 450% faster.
Don't believe all you read.
That test done at AndroidPolice.com is a single and not very significant benchmark. It's a program doing floating point math with matrices. This is not a representative example of the apps used on android phones.
Of course it's faster, Froyo uses JIT compiler, so the code is compiled once and the ran multiple times in native form. The standard java compiler has to translate the code everytime. There are other things that will influence the performance, like having good drivers and allow some apps and codecs to run native code.
The current situation is similar to what Microsoft intended to do with Windows NT, putting all third party code, including drivers, on a layer above the kernel. So that a faulty driver could not take the system down. But this lead to slow framerates on gaming, so people kept gaming under MS-DOS and not Windows. Microsoft had to allow some things so gaming was possible in Windows.
i also noticed the test was done using a google nexus one with a 1ghz processor, not on something like a hero that has the same 528mhz processor that our blackstone has.
Ofcourse, You're all right thats true, i just wish Google or HTC would release an official version of android for our blackbricks that would be killer, or release ALL info about the chipsets and radios used in our bricks =D *hey, we can all dream right ? * hehe
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Ofcourse, You're all right thats true, i just wish Google or HTC would release an official version of android for our blackbricks that would be killer, or release ALL info about the chipsets and radios used in our bricks =D *hey, we can all dream right ? * hehe
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yeah, but they rather dont give a **** about ppl trying to put android on a winmo phone of theirs... its simply uneconomical
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yeah, but they rather dont give a **** about ppl trying to put android on a winmo phone of theirs... its simply uneconomical
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Quite right... and fair on HTC's part too. How are they supposed to just dream up a bunch of developers and testers to do a port? and then... they have to go through all the operator approval tests again... remember the operators subsidised the phones in many regions with the expectation for WinMo, not Android.
Folks just don't understand that a 'phone' is not just a phone.... it's a massive part of a whole telecoms industry that's VERY political and full of competition.
It's just not realistic to expect a 2 year old device to be supported with enhancements unless the business model is like Apple's where the entire ecosystem is around the apps and services (read Advertising).
Thanks everyone , i'm just thinking that i would go and get the new iPhone june/july , Registered as a dev there and for android too shame that HTC wouldn't do things like that but it could be expected obviously
Thanks everyone
Yeh, because going to an even more closed off platform is clearly the answer.
Thats why all those 1st gen iPhone's running on iPhoneOS 4.0... oh wait...
An android platform is hackable, so even if there isn't any official support, someone can mod it. I'm happily running 2.1 on my HTC Magic even though it's only supported at 1.6, I'm sure there will be a 2.2 release.
Quite right...
Apple do a sterling job of marketing and making very very good products appear to be out of this world products.
However, the facts are:
1) It's a closed platform
2) It's low resolution (but hides it well)
3) It is the most responsive UI in the world
4) It doesn't multitask well, not even in V4 which improves matters, but isn't WinMo
5) The functionality is superficially wonderful, below the surface it's limited.
6) Hacking is possible, but the customisation options are generally poor (accepted that folks are porting Android to it)
7) Apple's policy of 'our way, or go away' has merits. It does improve UI consistency, and the overall consistency of the product.... but it stifles innovation and has a very ugly habit of killing of competitive software that Apple doesn't want to give ground to.
For me, WinMo is STILL the best all round smartphone OS, but the UI sucks. And still sucks on WM7.
Symbian is slowly dying (too late for Nokia to save it now)
Android is interesting, on most of the best products at the moment, but still lagging behind WinMo in functionality, streets ahead in attractive UI, a little ahead in usable UI
For me, Android's the most likely to improve. The dev community is moving to it en-mass, and Microsoft still manage to clutch mediocrity from the jaws of greatness.
Apple will eventually discover what Nokia discovered... people just grow tired of the best device and want something new and different. Once everyone's got an iPhone, they want something different...
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Quite right...
Apple do a sterling job of marketing and making very very good products appear to be out of this world products.
However, the facts are:
1) It's a closed platform
2) It's low resolution (but hides it well)
3) It is the most responsive UI in the world
4) It doesn't multitask well, not even in V4 which improves matters, but isn't WinMo
5) The functionality is superficially wonderful, below the surface it's limited.
6) Hacking is possible, but the customisation options are generally poor (accepted that folks are porting Android to it)
7) Apple's policy of 'our way, or go away' has merits. It does improve UI consistency, and the overall consistency of the product.... but it stifles innovation and has a very ugly habit of killing of competitive software that Apple doesn't want to give ground to.
For me, WinMo is STILL the best all round smartphone OS, but the UI sucks. And still sucks on WM7.
Symbian is slowly dying (too late for Nokia to save it now)
Android is interesting, on most of the best products at the moment, but still lagging behind WinMo in functionality, streets ahead in attractive UI, a little ahead in usable UI
For me, Android's the most likely to improve. The dev community is moving to it en-mass, and Microsoft still manage to clutch mediocrity from the jaws of greatness.
Apple will eventually discover what Nokia discovered... people just grow tired of the best device and want something new and different. Once everyone's got an iPhone, they want something different...[/QUOTE
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Yeah I couldn't agree more
the one and only
then one and only WinMo :
Fo shizzle my nizzle, LOL
@ontopic, Its such a shame that WM7 is not going to be availible for ours even too ( such a waiste and a shame
TheBrilliantMistake said:
Quite right...
Apple do a sterling job of marketing and making very very good products appear to be out of this world products.
However, the facts are:
1) It's a closed platform
2) It's low resolution (but hides it well)
3) It is the most responsive UI in the world
4) It doesn't multitask well, not even in V4 which improves matters, but isn't WinMo
5) The functionality is superficially wonderful, below the surface it's limited.
6) Hacking is possible, but the customisation options are generally poor (accepted that folks are porting Android to it)
7) Apple's policy of 'our way, or go away' has merits. It does improve UI consistency, and the overall consistency of the product.... but it stifles innovation and has a very ugly habit of killing of competitive software that Apple doesn't want to give ground to.
For me, WinMo is STILL the best all round smartphone OS, but the UI sucks. And still sucks on WM7.
Symbian is slowly dying (too late for Nokia to save it now)
Android is interesting, on most of the best products at the moment, but still lagging behind WinMo in functionality, streets ahead in attractive UI, a little ahead in usable UI
For me, Android's the most likely to improve. The dev community is moving to it en-mass, and Microsoft still manage to clutch mediocrity from the jaws of greatness.
Apple will eventually discover what Nokia discovered... people just grow tired of the best device and want something new and different. Once everyone's got an iPhone, they want something different...
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A very board view. and true.
I'm living it differently. I own an Ipod Touch 1.0 gen (jailbreak), Touch Diamond 500 with Win 6.5 modded and I'm desperately and impatiently awaiting THE BATTERY FIX, lol, so that my batt can last all day on xdandroid 2.01. xdandroid is awsome!
It's official! WP7 is set to launch on Oct. 11. Now, do you think WP7 will fail as some do think so? If yes, then why would it fail? If not, what are the reasons that it would NOT fail?
Personally, I don't like the way how the GUI of WP7 looks. That's my main turn-off. Also, I don't find the startscreen so useful. Everything that small (those live tiles) can't provide you sufficient info when staring the startscreen at a glance. And yes, I don't know much about it 'cause it's not even launched yet. But based on all the previous videos I've seen until now, I can say that the final version of WP7 will more or less be the same as those on the test units. So now, this is just my opinion.
Again, sum up your reason(s) why WP7 would (NOT) fail.
IMPORTANT NOTE: I have nothing against anyone who likes WP7. This is just a topic. So remember to have respect for every XDA-member!!!
AND IGNORE POST #2, MY THREAD HAS A POLL, SO IS DEFINITELY NOT THE SAME!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797409
I don't think it is gonna fail. It will just lose some of its base of advanced tech-users, but bring on board far more people who have never used a smartphone before or those who are changing to WinMo from another OS.
It won't fail because it has the advantage of the iOS' closed ecosystem (meaning every app will work for every WP7 handset, while offering people hardware choices)
The main reason the people I know bought an Android device over an iOS device, was purely because they did not want to look like 75% of the population with an iPhone, and basically wanted something 'different'. Most are regretting it because they think Android, overall, just looks and feels cheap. The overall user experience and apps/games don't seem to look that good compared with iOS offerings.
While WP7 will NOT have some features like copy&paste, tethering missing, majority of consumers will hardly use it anyway (iPhone is a good example).
edit: 'NOT' in last sentence lol
I have no idea.
I think the idea that the platform will 'fail' is just silly (mostly for the stupid reasons people give) but I'm not 100% certain that it will catch on with the general public yet. I could definitely be convinced, but I'll wait until Monday for that.
Why would it fail?
I think people want it to fail because it's Microsoft and they are not Apple!!!
I for one will wait until it's released and will make up my own mind, although judging by what I have seen of it so far, it shows a lot of promise.
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I think people want it to fail because it's Microsoft and they are not Apple!!!
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Here on xda it's rather Google, not Apple. Being an Apple fanboy is lowly for a nerd, so local fanboys go for Google.
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Here on xda it's rather Google, not Apple. Being an Apple fanboy is lowly for a nerd, so local fanboys go for Google.
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Well, it's still the same "It's Microsoft, they are evil, and everything they create sucks..." thinking.
It is doomed to fail at least for me. Having read the specs it's too similar to the IOS (the earliest versions - no copy/paste?!?) and they will be competing directly with Apple for the same market. iPhone has been and will be the user's phone (you can't do anything wrong with it simply because you can't do anything with it) and those people would never go with Microsoft. With WM7 Microsoft will loose the majority of its advanced users to Android and will gain just a few from Apple. Not because WM7 phones will be worse than iPhone, but because they can't market their product like Apple does. They almost had me believe that Apple invented videocalls... over WiFi
It's not going to fail.
The phones are good, the most important apps (except navigation) will be there and the OS is okay.
They'll need good marketing, but Microsoft can afford that.
It won't surpass Android (which simply is the better OS and has a big head start), but it will surpass the proprietary operating systems.
If WP7 becomes #2 that's a success. I definitely think it has the potential, because the market is still growing like crazy and the proprietary systems can't satisfy the demand for hardware choice, availability etc.
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It's not going to fail.
The phones are good, the most important apps (except navigation) will be there and the OS is okay.
They'll need good marketing, but Microsoft can afford that.
It won't surpass Android (which simply is the better OS and has a big head start), but it will surpass the proprietary operating systems.
If WP7 becomes #2 that's a success. I definitely think it has the potential, because the market is still growing like crazy and the proprietary systems can't satisfy the demand for hardware choice, availability etc.
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I believe WP7 post release progress is going to be very enthralling to follow.
I agree that the absolute essential apps are there but not that much choice of apps all together compared to the competition.
Phones are good but also the competition is good and for some reason I don't believe MS is aiming at surpassing the proprietary OSs ( Dumb-phones if got this right). I think they want to compete with Apple and Google.
The issue is that although less capable WP7 cannot get substantial developer support while its unreleased. So MS is releasing it to start a community going while they upgrade and improve on the go, post release. The catch is that the available competition is currently more attractive in general. As such I believe MS will have to somehow keep WP7 alive in its beginning stages with the potential of loss up until the moment they are on parr with the features, apps and a Market substantially large to self propel the OS.
I have my pocorn ready and I am ready to see how things go
Proprietary OSs are iOS, Blackberry, webOS. WP7 has the potential to surpass them, which would be a success (i.e. not fail).
If WP7 fails, Android will own the market similar to Windows on PCs.
Dont know about others but I intend to actually enjoy my device for what it does when I get it and not sit around pondering whether it is doomed or not. Too many people are sitting around thinking about success and failure, probably wont even get past the start screen.
I dont think it will fail, only The sd card missibg thing is ****
I believe it won't fail to the general public (Non-Smart phone people) for the simplicity and the power behind these devices.
But personally it will fail me and most of the people I know who have actually had experience with a smart phone for one simple reason, they enjoy the ability to make it theirs, unlike an Iphone and the soon to be WP7. In my opinion I think that Jobs and Gates are trying to compete to see who can have their Phones look like their MP3 players the most, in the sense of the UI.
Although I do not like the UI if there was a possibility of downgrading the UI to WM 6.5, I would jump on it But that's most likely not possible. So I'd either buy an Android phone or wait to see if you can port Android off of WP7...Either way it should be interesting to see.
So when all smartphones look like mp3 players, you prefer the crappiest cheapest looking one. That's logic.
Very good post, twitch.
@vangrieg get yourself a brain and then go to school and learn how to read.
Who cares if its got a poll
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What a pathetic guy, your are!
So, 15 vote "YES" and 36 vote "No". Temporary conclusion: roughly 1/3 of the people say WP7 will fail. So this mean WP7 surely will not surpass Google's Android mobile OS, along with the fact that Android is gaining momentum very rapidly. It's gonna be a pity for MS.
Hey guys, question for those of you who already have apps created..
So far in the app store almost every app listed there is a "text based app that list of something". All the apps are like castrated silverlight applications, rather than an application designed for the phone. (seriously who needs to pay money for an xkcd app when you can just use the browser to visit xkcd.com).
To you app developers out there is this a viable development platform.. or should I be getting myself an android or iphone instead? I mean no sockets api.. come on.
I waited a year replace my BB with windows phone 7 and now that I have it in my hands.. not quite so sure it's going to be replaced. It's a really nice phone but the API is so restrictive
As a developer, the WP7 platform is very viable to me. I'm currently working on a game and will hopefully be submitting it for certification next week. I haven't used the Silverlight stuff yet, but the XNA part of the platform is an absolute joy to use. I'm a very long-time Android user and have owned a Nexus One since it launched. Even though I'm absolutely in love with my Nexus One, I will be jumping ship to WP7 solely because of how awesome the developer tools are.
I believe the Marketplace will start getting a bit more lively over the coming weeks. Developing good apps takes time. So, all the crappy ones will get posted first. I'm not saying all the current apps on the Marketplace are crappy, just that because the platform is so new, people are still working on their good apps. As far as I can tell, the platform has definitely attracted a lot of developer interest.
I program because I enjoy doing it; it's fun to me. However, not all programming is fun. For example, programming in Java (including Android development) is just not fun to me. I'm not saying that Java is bad language or that Dalvik is a bad runtime. I just don't enjoy developing for it. WP7, on the other hand, is great fun. I just really enjoy programming for it. Even if I was the only WP7 user in the world, I would probably still mess around with the platform just because I enjoy it and it's just a pleasant experience all around. Now, I know being a fun environment to program in doesn't automatically make the platform profitable for developers to focus on. I'm hoping, though, that the ease of development will attract a large number of developers and that will, in-turn, attract users. We'll see.
The API is pretty restrictive; I'll admit that. It is something you will have to consider when choosing a phone. If you want to write an SMS backup app or a ringtone changer, WP7 is not for you. WP7 has a lot of limitations at the moment and is missing some features I would love to have (socket support in the API being a big one.) However, I still see the platform as a whole as a step in the right direction. I hope it's successful enough that Microsoft continues to focus on it for a long time so we can see where it goes.
With Blackberry and Nokia trying to keep their customers from jumping ship, Android 3, WP7, and whatever Apple does with iPhone, 2011 is looking to be a very interesting year for smartphones. I'm definitely excited to see what happens with all of the platforms.
Note: sockets are supposed to be coming. I don't know if they're coming in the next update, but I have read that they will be added. Hopefully very soon.
I have to agree with what you just said...
I've been slowly learning how to use VS2008 for a while so I could make tools/games/media players for WM6.5. The problem was that the native UI was so ugly that I had to design everything from scratch if I wanted it to look pretty. The Direct3D tools for WM6.5 were hard to use because documentation was not easy to understand.
I just started using VS2010 and the difference is night and day... I'm learning to use XNA for 3D stuff and it's just so easy. There are video podcasts available as tutorials as well as all the stuff on websites. I, too, am having fun making this game...
On the other hand, I haven't tried iOS or Android programming.
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
Will Wp7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
Wp7 not wm7. As far as I'm concerned IOS and Android are dated by comparison and have nothing new to offer. Neither of them has had anything updated worth speaking about since 3.0 on IOS or eclair on Android. Wp7 is refreshing after seeing phone oses get sold solely by hardware or advertisements. Gingerbread was essentially a glorified pallet swap and 4.0 pretty much just created fragmentation and added face time. They're out of ideas, Android relies solely on OEM business and IOS will just steal any idea from the next competitor and act as though its innovation.
There is no more WM, WP7 is a new system.
Although it's not bug free and missing some important features, I do love my Windows Phone
It's as smooth as iOS while more vivid (Dynamic Desktop).
Also three hard keys is more comfortable to me.
Not sure how you feel about the endless ROM update of Galaxy S, at least you dont have to deals with lag or fragile system files. No battery drain or GPS tweak. All features work fine on stock.
Cannot predict the future but turn to WP7 is a good move of Nokia, hope their device come out soon.
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(Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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yea I cant wait to play Modern Warfare 7 too
j3ffmcl34n said:
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like WP7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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Its not too simple. iOS is too simple. I came from BB to iPhone to Android and now on wp7. And as somebody already stated, Android & iPhone feel somehow....primitive? Its a wierd concept, and I have to give MS a lot of credit here. Always liked their zune/metro UI and the phone is quite the breath of fresh air. The way you interact [through] the interface is untouchable by anything else to me. Its a very simple design, but it feels very engaging and satisfying, while remaining very quick to accomplish tasks ect. It really is like the commercials say: a phone to save us from our phones. Although you could easily get lost in the Xbox Live/games integration
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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As a techie/geek, I like to always look at what else is out there, and have tried most platforms at least for awhile (including webOS ect). I don't think it will overtake anything in the near future, but I do think over the next 12-18 months it will no longer be easy to ignore (kind of like what happened to android). After the Nokia announcement especially I think that it will grow quite rapidly. The OS is the first released OS that has felt more solid/responsive than the iOS. The tiles didn't appeal to me at first glance but you just gotta play with it once, and yer hooked.
Android is really nice and powerful, and fun to tinker with, but it still feels sort of half baked, and glued together. Even on the highest end devices it never quite felt professional. And I'm still a big fan of it just because I like to tinker and play with my UI's sometimes. However, after using wp7 for only a few days, its really hard to go back and play with my nexus one.
I also think you will see more professional looking & functioning apps compared to Android. This is something only controlled OS platforms can really benefit from, and why iOS has so many great looking apps, and why they all seem to function so well within the OS. Its easier for developers to create high functioning apps with a great UI when the phones aren't all over the place in skins, UI versions, Hardware types, API's used ect. I have apps on my wp7 that look better than anything I've seen on any other platform already (check out Cocktail Flow if you get a wp7 phone). There are some EXCELLENT apps on android, but for every one of those, there are 5,000 crappy ones that look and feel like they were designed by a couple of real life monkeys, and only serve to add to the ever-so-slight lag of the non-graphic accelerated OS.
Because it will be better for developers, I think that will also make it better for consumers.
Will WP7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
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Not "favored" in the near term as most power windows users will stick to WM6.5 as it is more feature laden. wp7 is brand new, and as such is missing quite a few more in depth features. Many of these will be addressed over 2011. Once wp7 has been out for awhile and has the power WM has, then I would say yes it will be very attractive to business/power users. The Office integration is very good although still with a few issues.
Although the current implementation is still more powerful than what iOS and Android have for MS documents. And the One Note integration is tops.
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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I personally was very happy about this. I think HTC, Samsung, LG ect all make good handsets, but Nokia has a great track record of creating very high quality and reliable handsets; and their integrated services (ovi maps ect) are extremely powerful and accurate, and will be a HUGE asset for anybody wanting a wp7 phone. Nokias huge global reach will help wp7 grow quickly, and also force the other manufacturers to start taking their wp7 arms seriously, instead of forcing all their attention on their Android lineups.
Once they announced this partnership, in the wp7 world, **** basically got real. A lot of people were mad, but I see this as a huge benefit to both companies, and especially the potential and current customers of wp7. The other manufacturers will also need to up their game on their wp7 handsets if they don't want to look like a bargain basement alternative to what Nokia can produce.
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iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
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Happy iPhone 4 user here - also an HTC HD7 and HTC HD2
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
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I love WP7. It's so refined. It's so refined that it feels luxurious. The keyboard...at least on my HD7...is second to none. The screen transitions and animations are second to none. The auto-rotation is the best there is. I especially love IE.
WP7 is just a pure pleasure to use. I'm glad to have it.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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WP7 doesn't yet have all of the features those others have, but it does have a solid and perfectly function core system. I love my new iPhone, It's probably the best system ever created. It exudes quality through and through. But I feel WP7 is smoother and cleaner in general operation of the core system. Right now, the apps can't yet compare to what the iPhone offers.
As for Android...It's a perfectly fine system that lacks the refinement of either the iPhone or WP7. I use Android on my HD2 and love it in that context. I don't believe I could bring myself to actually buy an Android phone, though, over iPhone or WP7. I was considering the new and unreleased Motorola Atrix 4G for all the new tech and power. But having Android, I was like...meh...and went for the older tech iPhone 4. That's how I feel about Android. It's just not impressive enough to warrant a phone purchase. But I do love it on my HD2.
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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I see WP7 as serious challenger to iPhone. Its core system already outshines iOS in general user experience and quality of operation. That isn't to say WP7 is perfect. Right now it has a few glaring bugs. If MS deals with the bugs and adds the features, it has the potential to dethrone iPhone for best phone. That is, if MS can keep up the system quality and tightly control provider hardware quality.
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I have no view on this.
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It's a genuinely positive sign for good things to come for WP7. I'm a little concerned about the freedom Nokia has with WP7; what they will do. But hardware-wise, I think MS hit the jackpot.
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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Time will tell. The potential is there, but what Nokia does with its freedom of customization with WP7 is the key.
WP7 is definately a contender. I think it will take the smartphone scne by storm here in the next two years. Microsoft have finally caught on and know what they have to do. They seem to be sticking to it, we just have to sit back and watch. OS seems very solid. A few bugs but thats expected. As far as iOS and Android is concerned, they are abou the same Android is just more open than iOS.
But WP7 is only going forward not to say the other OS' arent. But im sure WP will excel past the competitors once they work out the bugs.
So an OS can be dated when it offers more? When it's already more refined and feature friendly as opposed to flashy and user friendly?
WP7 has potential ... but it amazes me how some folks ignore the obvious and talk up something while talking down something more proven.
To suggest that iOS and Android is, somehow, more "primitive" is sort of laughable. WP7 still has hope .. its been lackluster and unimpressive so far, however. The masses have spoken. I still think 2011 could he huge for the platform ... but a lot has to happen. Directly with WP7 and with not .... speficially outside factors. People don't seem to be letting up on Android ... iOS still the defacto end result .... but WP7 is sorta like the Wii ... the idea is there ... it might even end up outselling everyone .... but it's just different. Honestly feels like a last gen experience ... and not somethng catered to adults. No matter how smooth things can be at times. The Live business is really nothing more than a selling point ... and not a good one at that. Hype, for the kids.
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Microsoft have laid an impressive foundation stone with WP7, the UI oozes quality and professionalism, I am only waiting for one more feature (skydrive document sync) which I will get this year. Beyond that, my HD7 fully meets my own particular needs fully right now. I have used Android and always thought it was very similar to WM6.5, my HTC Desire was very laggy and bombed out on me twice with corrupt SD card problems, losing all my data (despite using the best quality 16Gb cards I could find). I also found that over time, the Desire got very laggy unless you really kept on top of what was running in the background meaning frequent soft resets, in comparison, I never feel the need to reset my HD7 (it has reset itself a couple of times, but hey WP7 is brand new!!).
I have not used Iphones much but I do have an Ipad, which is OK but iOS just feels a little dated to me. As for the Nokia thing, I am hoping for some really top of the line industrial design from them, all being well I fully expect to be using a Microkia WP7 phone this time next year!
Not quite ready for prime time...
I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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Agreed, and Microsoft's glacial pace of development doesn't help things, nor does their backpedaling on the update process. After I got screwed on yet another trash WM device that was never going to see bug fixes or updates I vowed I'd never again waste my money on WM and I didn't, getting several other devices instead. The biggest selling point for WP7 was that Microsoft would push updates and any user could get them. Then it's no, that's not entirely true. The carrier can block an update if they want to but Microsoft will push the next one through whether the carrier likes it or not. Which we all know will never fly because the carriers have, can and will make stuff up to achieve their aims and since Microsoft has already caved once, they'll cave again and again until, just like bad old days, every device gets one update that may or may not do anything relevant and we all get to sit around and wonder if we should wait or cut our losses and get something else that actually works. Being a Focus owner and given that Microsoft has annouced that there won't be any updates worth talking about until at least the 2nd half of 2011, I wonder that now. Think the Focus will be relevant by the time multitasking is available or will it be "incapable of running the latest system"? I'd say it's about 50/50 given the track records of everyone involved, including Samsung who has an even WORSE record for updates than Microsoft. This isn't some two-bit mom & pop dev shop located above the pizza place on the boardwalk, it's freaking Microsoft and they have what, 4 guys working on this on the days when two of them aren't working on Foxpro? Sure seems that way and I'm tired of reading all the half baked excuses from anyone and everyone who thinks they have a clue about what Microsoft does. This is a company with some of the best minds in the industry and billions of dollars and they're utterly incapable of doing anything that matters in a timely fashion because "they've been burned in the past so they're planning their steps carefully"? Give me a break! WM died years ago, if this system is "just a couple months old" like I keep reading, what were they doing for the past, oh, 3 or 4 years? You know, while iPhone and Android utterly consumed the entire smartphone market and Android became, and remains for the foreseeable future, the best heir to Windows Mobile? That's right, nothing. "Microsoft: Think Nothing"
What some 6.5 advocates fail to realize is that WP7 allows all its features (even if you consider it to be lacking) to be functional. WM6.x was so unreliable, and unresponsive at times, that sure, it had the features... But you couldn't run most of them without the OS crashing... You had to flash a ROM just to fix a feature... Yeah we got to the point of automating the cab installs, but the OS was far behind in terms of usage. So, I think WP7 is the definite step in the right direction, not two steps back, but leaps forward.
I want wp7 as my next OS but you think it will last? You think MS can get it up to par with IOS and AD? What about in terms of popularity? Will the Nokia/MS Ad Campaign work? (When the hell we getting that nokia anyway???), do you think it will start to get the support from devs on ios and AD?
I love the UI so much but I hope it will last and not end up like Kin. It seems like there is just bad press about WP, bad sales, no interest.
Hope this does well, your thoughts?
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You can see Windows Phone and its Metro UI concept being woven into the fabric of Microsoft and their software even today, I'd say this OS is going nowhere. Whether devs and the tech press who hate anything Microsoft will look more favourably on the platform in the future is anyone's guess.
Bad press, no interest, what press are you reading? All the Mango previews have been extremely positive, I'm not sure you've read any of them. And there's nothing reminiscent of Kin in WP7, the OS is great, all carriers are on board, so are many OEMs, there are over 25000 apps an counting. Now close this silly thread and go buy your phone.
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Almost 30.000 apps, right now
It's the best OS I ever used. iOS is pretty nice, Android sucks, but WP7 is so smooth that is addictive. I need to slide it up to unlock, slide some times up and down just to see it.
Right now, even if we don't have some features like wifi tethering, it will come by time. Mango really changed everything, like iOS 3 to 4. A whole new system!
Just hope MS dont give up right now, because it's getting better.
Windows Phone will be around for very long time.
Why? Simple, Windows Phone is simple to use and that's what the mainstream users expect.
Android feels like it has been thrown together without much thoughts. Sure, it has more features, but that doesn't mean it work well.
I think a more pertinent question would be, "Will Android Last?"
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Windows Phone will be around for very long time.
Why? Simple, Windows Phone is simple to use and that's what the mainstream users expect.
Android feels like it has been thrown together without much thoughts. Sure, it has more features, but that doesn't mean it work well.
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Also the fact that Microsoft has invested billions on making it work and they have many billions to assure it moves, trust me, WP7 will be around for a LONG time. For the press and the following for a OS that is LESS THAN A YEAR OLD, it's pretty impressive. Customers have shown they like WP7 more than Android.
I still can not see the appeal of iOS, yea, it's quick and the apps are nice but, the OS itself ? It's just a glorified app launcher, I've used iOS 3.X and 4 and I still feel the same. I've already converted 3 iOS users to WP7 just by simple naviagation around the OS to People and games hubs. Once they see what it can do, a lot of people question it.
The Problem is, most sales people know the hype of Android and iOS so they push that more than WP7 but, if you get someone who knows the ins and outs of all phones, you'd be shocked how many more they sell.
iOS might be one of the big guys for the long term but, WP7 will be second in a few years and Andoid will not even be close, sad to say.
It will outlast this thread that's for sure.
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