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WP7 dumbed down too much - Missing features that need to be fixed QUICKLY!!!

While I am enjoying many things about Windows Phone 7 like the look, feel, general speed and the type of APPS that are appearing I am more than a little annoyed at just how dumb they have made it....
The options to tweak things are just so minimal its almost a joke. I am not speaking as a Power User and I think this OS should not be dumber than an Iphone. As it stands I will probably still need to carry a work and person phone as this will not do both.
Maybe everyone list sensible features that are missing from WP7 that we can collate and send to Microsoft as things that need to be fixed really soon.
Obviously if the non features listed are already available please says so...
1. Copy and Paste (coming soon)
2. Fast App Switching (probably coming soon)
3. First two lines of Text Messages show on notification bar even when screen is locked - BIG PRIVACY ISSUE!!!
4. Cannot Search Company Directory after setting up an Exchange Account (even Iphone can do this)
5. Outlook does not allow you to display email by NAME or SIZE and it does not appear you can create a SIGNATURE...

ebzrascal said:
While I am enjoying many things about Windows Phone 7 like the look, feel, general speed and the type of APPS that are appearing I am more than a little annoyed at just how dumb they have made it....
The options to tweak things are just so minimal its almost a joke. I am not speaking as a Power User and I think this OS should not be dumber than an Iphone. As it stands I will probably still need to carry a work and person phone as this will not do both.
Maybe everyone list sensible features that are missing from WP7 that we can collate and send to Microsoft as things that need to be fixed really soon.
Obviously if the non features listed are already available please says so...
1. Copy and Paste (coming soon)
2. Fast App Switching (probably coming soon)
3. First two lines of Text Messages show on notification bar even when screen is locked - BIG PRIVACY ISSUE!!!
4. Cannot Search Company Directory after setting up an Exchange Account (even Iphone can do this)
5. Outlook does not allow you to display email by NAME or SIZE and it does not appear you can create a SIGNATURE...
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1. It's coming.
2. Coming as well.
3. That's only as soon as you get the message, it goes away after about a minute and you just have the 1. notificaition down the bottom.
4. No idea about exchange
5. Go to your email, go to settings then tick use an email signature and change it from 'Sent from my Windows Phone'

As stated above... most of those features are coming and so hopefully by Jan 2010 we will see much improvement in the OS feature department.

1. Copy and Paste (coming soon)
2. Fast App Switching (probably coming soon)
3. First two lines of Text Messages show on notification bar even when screen is locked - BIG PRIVACY ISSUE!!!
4. Cannot Search Company Directory after setting up an Exchange Account (even Iphone can do this)
5. Outlook does not allow you to display email by NAME or SIZE and it does not appear you can create a SIGNATURE...
1. It's coming.
2. Coming as well.
3. That's only as soon as you get the message, it goes away after about a minute and you just have the 1. notificaition down the bottom.
4. No idea about exchange
5. Go to your email, go to settings then tick use an email signature and change it from 'Sent from my Windows Phone'
5. Agreed - Signature can be changed..........
6. Phone APP should be linked to contacts like in WM6.5 so when you start to type a number it the names that match start to appear..

Hopefully, by your hopefully, you meant "JAN 2011"

XATAGuy said:
Hopefully, by your hopefully, you meant "JAN 2011"
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Yeah... my bad

7. Mainly HTC - We need a weather app with Active tile that will show location and weather and when you click it full blown HTC stuff
8. HTC Hubb needs to be updated to have active tile with big HTC clock rather then lady with glasses, in side there should be similar interface as stock HTC.
9. Task manager as some apps still stay open
10. A Wifi/Bluetooth/flightmode on/off widget that can be added to tiles
11. User made folders in apps screen as list gets way to long
12. Bluetooth picture and documents transfer
13. Active twitter tile so it can downloads tweats and let you know if there are new
14. Active messenger tile for obvious reason

ebzrascal said:
3. First two lines of Text Messages show on notification bar even when screen is locked - BIG PRIVACY ISSUE!!!
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Every phone I owned showed the last message content shortly after reception.
My Sony and Sony Ericsson dumb phones, my iPhone, both my Magic and Nexus. And now my future Trophy will.
I'm not sure what the issue is.

3. First two lines of Text Messages show on notification bar even when screen is locked - BIG PRIVACY ISSUE!!!
Every phone I owned showed the last message content shortly after reception.
My Sony and Sony Ericsson dumb phones, my iPhone, both my Magic and Nexus. And now my future Trophy will.
I'm not sure what the issue is.
Its an issue for me....
My PERSONAL message can be viewed by other people sitting next to me for example!! So if I get a HOT TEXT from my wife or DIRTY JOKE from a mate.... its flashed up for a few seconds and is potentially embarrassing...
Windows Mobile 6.5 allowed you to switch this OFF and the dumb Nokia phones I use just notify you that you have a message which more sensible.

ebzrascal said:
6. Phone APP should be linked to contacts like in WM6.5 so when you start to type a number it the names that match start to appear..
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I definitely agree! It NEEDS a smart dialer!

evilangelic said:
I definitely agree! It NEEDS a smart dialer!
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I'll third that.

I agree on the Weather App for HTC so that we can have it as a tile. And the Wifi/Airplane mode tile/shortcut on the desktop.
They also need to improve Bing Navigation. Or how about just allowing Google Search and Navigation onto the phone? hehehe... obviously that won't happen, but one can dream.
And please stop treating us like idiots. I actually rather like to be able to configure things and hate when I get patronized by companies that think that I cannot cope with too many buttons. hohum...

mictho100 said:
I agree on the Weather App for HTC so that we can have it as a tile. And the Wifi/Airplane mode tile/shortcut on the desktop.
They also need to improve Bing Navigation. Or how about just allowing Google Search and Navigation onto the phone? hehehe... obviously that won't happen, but one can dream.
And please stop treating us like idiots. I actually rather like to be able to configure things and hate when I get patronized by companies that think that I cannot cope with too many buttons. hohum...
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Come on atleast we now have camera button.

ebzrascal said:
Its an issue for me....
My PERSONAL message can be viewed by other people sitting next to me for example!! So if I get a HOT TEXT from my wife or DIRTY JOKE from a mate.... its flashed up for a few seconds and is potentially embarrassing...
Windows Mobile 6.5 allowed you to switch this OFF and the dumb Nokia phones I use just notify you that you have a message which more sensible.
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So, you're one of the people that always need to put their phone into view of every one, instead of your pocket, just to show off or what?

ebzrascal said:
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Its an issue for me....
My PERSONAL message can be viewed by other people sitting next to me for example!! So if I get a HOT TEXT from my wife or DIRTY JOKE from a mate.... its flashed up for a few seconds and is potentially embarrassing...
Windows Mobile 6.5 allowed you to switch this OFF and the dumb Nokia phones I use just notify you that you have a message which more sensible.
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Dude, I have to say my girlfriends iPhone does this, my X1i does this (both when it was 6.1 and now 6.5) , the guy who sits behind me at work with a Desire does it. The notification usually disappears fairly quickly.
I sort of sympathise where your are coming from but, if someone at your office goes to read your notification on your phone if it is on your desk, your issue is with your colleague and you need to slap them upside their head and tell them to behave.....and to be honest, you'll probably forward that dirty joke onto them anyway and most probably let them know what your wife has in store for you when you get home just to make them jealous

Dude, I have to say with those other phones you can disable the text on the lock screen. Don't know if this is possible with the iPhone though.

vetvito said:
Dude, I have to say with those other phones you can disable the text on the lock screen. Don't know if this is possible with the iPhone though.
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True, you can although I haven't and I'm waiting for the gf to get in the shower so I can play with her iPhone ... but my comment I think is still valid. Colleagues shouldn't be invading privacy.

chubnut said:
True, you can although I haven't and I'm waiting for the gf to get in the shower so I can play with her iPhone ... but my comment I think is still valid. Colleagues shouldn't be invading privacy.
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It about Microsoft limiting choice to a stupid level or not thinking things through. In this case I don`t want personal or business information that is intended for me to be seen by someone else. I don`t think people are intentionally invading space really because it might be an innocent reaction of someone`s eyes being drawn to a message flashing on the screen of my phone.
I actually need my phone to be visible to react to missed calls etc... Not to show it off as someone suggested!! I don`t want to hide my phone every-time someone walks over to my desk to discuss something with me.

Those are really valid points.

ebzrascal said:
It about Microsoft limiting choice to a stupid level or not thinking things through. In this case I don`t want personal or business information that is intended for me to be seen by someone else. I don`t think people are intentionally invading space really because it might be an innocent reaction of someone`s eyes being drawn to a message flashing on the screen of my phone.
I actually need my phone to be visible to react to missed calls etc... Not to show it off as someone suggested!! I don`t want to hide my phone every-time someone walks over to my desk to discuss something with me.
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Look - I'm not disagreeing with you about the fact that they should give us all the relevant options. I love to tinker and tinker with everything and I want the same options as you. My phone also sits on my desk in a desk stand in plain view so I can do just as you do. I have people constantly coming to my desk. If the phone goes off, it goes off but I continue dealing with the matter at hand and fix their attention to me not my phone - or they get a slap .

Dear Steve Ballmer and Microsoft (WP7 Related)

Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....

I always liked the N95 symbian address book that allowed me to create groups for my contacts and I liked all WM previous phone dialers which would cross reference all incoming and outgoing calls with the numbers I was pressing.
Microsoft should atleast make a dialer thats as good as their previous ones, and maybe learn a thing or 2 from Symbian.
Edit: I just read that it was possible to cut down the number of contacts from facebook that appear in your phone, but it still should not be this difficult. I should be able to simple long press the contact and select delete or hide.

Nice One Star thread repeating issues in about 20 other threads
One thing I'd like to agree with the OP about is the Capacitive buttons. They're a good idea in theory (the Vibrant has them as well), but they're practically terrible. They are very prone to hitting by accident.
Lots of OSes can learn from Symbian, but being the Jack of All Trades has not worked for any OS to date. Windows Mobile also supported a ton of stuff and it's marketshare in the US suffered a lot. Symbian has great marketshare overseas because the OS is used in low-end feature phones as well. They aren't strong in the mid-high end smartphone market.
And they would be, if they didn't put such small NANDs in the phones, skimp on the RAM in the phones (it uses a Virtual memory architechture, but the phones still need at least 348 MB RAM, IMO), and have such an embarassing user interface. I really like that it has the most flexible development environment of any smartphone OS, though (similar to [again] Windows Mobile on that front).

Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?

EDIT: Poster above was more succint.

The problem isn't DivX as far as I understand, it's avi. Divx is just an implementation of MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile, which is supported. And the strange part here is that avi is Microsoft's own proprietary format, while mp4 is Apple's. Strange times.
Scrubbing is needed not only for long videos, I use it all the time for YouTube and music (especially podcasts, many of which aren't properly separated into chapters).

WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.

eternalemb said:
1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
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He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.

doministry said:
He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
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And he, like everyone else who bought one, should've known the deficiencies the devices carry atm. So, what's your problem?
You don't like the features a phone has or is lacking, you don't buy it. Simple, no?
And the update is expected in January.

f1restarter said:
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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No, no, I'm watching ....

Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?

CR1M1N4L said:
You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.

N8ter said:
People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
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Bet your house on that. Our society is getting dumber, lazier and more malleable by the minute. Though I digress...

LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.

Guys,
This is still a new OS, it's been out for ONE month, many of these things gonna be replaced or added with updates. Just wait and see. The most important thing now is that's a fast and simple OS. Just remember what ****ty phone iPhone was, look what it became now... Time does miracles!

Alright guys, I'm leaving this open thread to know the answer, if it occurs.
And also for others to vent, but we will maintain an acceptable level before they start fighting funboys because of companies.

AceofSpades25 said:
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
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Agreed,
Unfortunately I have the feeling that most people here now refuse to see the obvious problems with this platform (no USB, no DivX, and so many others...)
Seems like there is no right to judge and criticize the OS.
We shall not become like the iPhone fanboys. Seriously.
I also think that WP7 is a truly disappointing experience as I don't like to be forced to use all these external MS services (Zune, Skydrive, Marketplace, etc...) that just make me waste my time.
And I expect nothing from the so-called January update.

I love threads like this. Keep em coming lol jk. But man the pole jockers in here have fits when anyone say something about wp7. I dont know what everyones country rules are. But mine is freedom of speech. So if the dont like what the guy or troll have to say, dont feed him. Case Closed.

To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.

lqaddict said:
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
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Good tip, if OP find interesting; closure here, and this link is for future users to enjoy!
Thanks!

To the mods: Urgent request

Please, please for the love of god write a post, and sticky it, about what multitasking and background scheduling is, and why most apps shouldn't be allowed to run in the background. I'm so sick of reading about users complaining about "the lack of multitasking" (Eeeeew! Now I said it, and I feel dirty! :S ) when what they really want is the ability to run annoying programs in the background that will allow them to complain about the poor battery life, how WP7 raped them economically etc etc...because they really don't know what they want.
Please? Pretty please with sugar on top?

tiwas said:
I'm so sick of reading about users complaining about "the lack of multitasking" ... when what they really want is the ability to run annoying programs in the background that will allow them to complain about the poor battery life, how WP7 raped them economically etc etc
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Most users?!
Most people want the ablility to continue being navigated to their destination while listening to streaming music (not thru Zune as their region does not allow it - like yours) or check their email or even make a phone-call to say they'll be late.
Or perhaps they want an Exchange task manager that will actually remind you of your tasks without having to keep the app open at all times, or maybe they would like their phone to automatically change "profiles" at certain times of the day (ie., very simplified; 8-12 ringer on, 12-13 on silent except certain numbers, 13-18 all on, 18-23 same as lunch, 23-8 all silent apart from alarms).
These are all, relatively common, things you cannot do without real multitasking.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! stop calling that multi-tasking! It's background scheduling!
And, yeah, I see your point, but apps like that should have special authorization to ensure they're not spinning in the background stealing processor cycles, downloading data, draining the battery etc...

tiwas said:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! stop calling that multi-tasking! It's background scheduling!
And, yeah, I see your point, but apps like that should have special authorization to ensure they're not spinning in the background stealing processor cycles, downloading data, draining the battery etc...
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Well, no. The examples I gave were a mixture of actual multitasking and scheduling. Some could do with a simple "register this event for execution at this time" but others really do need the full app running in the background at "all" times.
I definitely agree though, not every Tom **** and Harry should be allowed to write fully multitasking apps - or rather, they should be allowed to, but their release in the marketplace should be limited to those certified by Microsoft. I.e., what I'm saying is that the OS should have been fully prepared for multitasking from the getgo, with developers having to use technical exceptions during app certification to be published. As is, I very much doubt we'll see multitasking until the first major update which will likely come hand in hand with much higher HW specs to make sure the OS is still silky smooth.

Running the app in the background at all times is still background scheduling...Multitasking is, in all fairness, what the OS uses to run threads in the background, but multitasking is fully supported by the OS. It's the lack of subscribing to background scheduling events that's causing "the problems".
At least we agree about letting everybody schedule whatever they feel like is a bad idea, and hopefully, at some point, MS will let developers use "advanced functions" that require "advanced testing" before letting them into marketplace. All the bits and pieces seem to be there, though, as OEMs can make background apps...

WP7 cannot multi-task at all, and attempting to infer that it does with garbage semantics is pretty lame.
How about the mods sticky a thread on users who don't know what they're talking about attempting to force their own lexicon on the rest of us and attempting to appear so intelligent and above us unintelligent sheep.
Thank you for showing us the light....
What some of us actually want out of WP7 is an actual ability to run more than one freaking application at once. Does that spell it out for you?
If I am using a 3rd party podcast app because the zune one sucks, I want to be able to then check my damn email without my podcast cutting out. If I am playing a game and I get a text, I want to be able to respond without having to reload the entire game.
Call this whatever the hell you want to call it, but WP7 cannot do it, Android and iOS can.
Get off your high horse and help development instead of attempting to condescend on the rest of us.

lol what a stupid post. It's 2011 and we can't have the ability for multiple applications to run at once? what is this world coming to.. and asking for a sticky because you *THINK* multitasking = slow apps? I got news for you, it's a discussion forum, if you don't like it don't read the thread.

orangekid said:
WP7 cannot multi-task at all, and attempting to infer that it does with garbage semantics is pretty lame.
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Oh...want me to tell my programs to stop running more than one thread, then?
And what are you calling "bull**** semantics"?
1. The OS can multitask, and it allows special applications to run in the background (scheduling). Proof: you can listen to music while surfing the web, and accept calls while checking the calendar. Of COURSE it can multitask!
2. Programs can multitask. I can asynchronously call a web service and do stuff while I wait. I can also display a wait animation while processing stuff
So please try to keep your mouth closed when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Besides Microsoft stuff there is absolutely no multitasking. Is that better?

tiwas said:
Oh...want me to tell my programs to stop running more than one thread, then?
And what are you calling "bull**** semantics"?
1. The OS can multitask, and it allows special applications to run in the background (scheduling). Proof: you can listen to music while surfing the web, and accept calls while checking the calendar. Of COURSE it can multitask!
2. Programs can multitask. I can asynchronously call a web service and do stuff while I wait. I can also display a wait animation while processing stuff
So please try to keep your mouth closed when you have no idea what you're talking about.
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once again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. Being able to launch a couple of crappy MS apps and then open IE is not multi-tasking in any practical form. What you reference is about the only time it can background anything.
What if I want to use a non-MS app that does not suck and do anything else? Not going to happen. This is a real issue. I cannot use any other music player or podcast player or music streaming app and open IE or text or email or anything, I cannot text or email while playing a game if I don't want the game to reload.
Claiming that WP7 can multi-task is like saying it has a comparable app store to iOS, it's complete garbage.
vetvito said:
Besides Microsoft stuff there is absolutely no multitasking. Is that better?
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lol, beat me to it, and more concise

Yes, it actually IS! Now we don't have all the problems from WM6.5, which is proof that even professional developers have problems setting up their programs correctly.
And still - it's called scheduling.
Multi-tasking (which even an old 8086 can do): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_multitasking
Multi-threading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multithreading_(computer_architecture)
Scheduling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_(computing)
Now PLEASE read and understand...

orangekid said:
once again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. Being able to launch a couple of crappy MS apps and then open IE is not multi-tasking in any practical form. What you reference is about the only time it can background anything.
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FFS! You're just proving you have no reading comprehension. I'm talking about threads in a program, not tombstoning an app.
orangekid said:
What if I want to use a non-MS app that does not suck and do anything else? Not going to happen. This is a real issue. I cannot use any other music player or podcast player or music streaming app and open IE or text or email or anything, I cannot text or email while playing a game if I don't want the game to reload.
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Why do you think that? We're on a beta OS, and MS is still ironing things out. The OS *can* multitask, they're just not exposing it to 3rd party developers (yet), which I think is an excellent idea.
orangekid said:
Claiming that WP7 can multi-task is like saying it has a comparable app store to iOS, it's complete garbage.
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For crying out loud. Now you're literally comparing apples to oranges, and you're not even able to see in how many ways the comparison fails.
Go read up on the links I posted, then TRY to control your adhd while reading my initial post. Then I *might* consider your postings anything but a complete waste of perfectly good bits...

wrong again, my friend.
If the OS "can" multi-task but only does it to the crapware that comes on the phone, then it essentially can't multi-task.
And the OS would have to be modified to to be able to actually multi-task and not just keep playing zune when you press the home key.
Once again you're trying to play the semantics game bill clinton...
when people here say they want multi-tasking, they are talking about apps that actually matter, third freaking party apps, and the OS cannot do it, this is a problem to a lot of users.
I don't care if the OS is in beta stage, are you saying we should wait 5 years to buy a WP7 phone?

This is quality - good we can have a constructive discussion! LOL.
For me the point is the phone doesn't do what I want it to, Android and the iPhone do appear to so if we can get Multi-schedule-task-switching like the other OS's in the next update I'll be happy.
Maybe those who can't help but get too excited by terminology could spend some time writing an app that replaces offending words to their preferred alternatives when viewing the forums?

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Man, you're stupid. From what you're saying, I can call you an illiterate just because you choose not to read what people write. I can, like I just did, call you stupid because you choose not to think (at least I hope it's a choice).
It's there. MS can let anyone they chose access it. You're not on the list. More companies might get on it eventually, but until then it's special access. That does NOT mean the OS cannot multitask or schedule.
But...since you don't even know the difference between multitasking, multithreading, and scheduling and the effects they have in a program or a program launching other programs (like an OS) you really should just stay quiet. You might learn something...

gc48067 said:
This is quality - good we can have a constructive discussion! LOL.
For me the point is the phone doesn't do what I want it to, Android and the iPhone do appear to so if we can get Multi-schedule-task-switching like the other OS's in the next update I'll be happy.
Maybe those who can't help but get too excited by terminology could spend some time writing an app that replaces offending words to their preferred alternatives when viewing the forums?
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Well, I wasn't the one who grabbed the ball and ran with it Forrest Gump style. I wanted to get the facts about multitasking/scheduling out so people could start asking the right questions instead of asking questions that doesn't make sense because they're plain wrong.
I *do* see the point in getting scheduling, and I would love to have some hand picked scheduling programs myself. Most programs don't use it, but some do - like streaming. There should be a stringent verification process and it shouldn't be available to everyone.
Like Mr Moron pointed out, he wanted his apps to tombstone correctly so he could continue from where he left off (sorry, orangekid, but you *are* stupid). That is a clear example of when NOT to run a program in the background. He's angry at MS because the game developers doesn't tombstone correctly so he can continue from where he left off. That's the *exact* reason why I don't want everybody to have access to background scheduling, as people would start yelling at MS for all the crashes and Samsung for making phones with crappy battery life - even though the fault is somewhere else.
Regarding the app you're talking about, you want me to use regular expressions to transform sentences like "orangekid, you're an f-ing ass-O" to "orangekid, you're an f-ing donkey-hole"? (sorry...couldn't help myself )

gc48067 said:
This is quality - good we can have a constructive discussion! LOL.
For me the point is the phone doesn't do what I want it to, Android and the iPhone do appear to so if we can get Multi-schedule-task-switching like the other OS's in the next update I'll be happy.
Maybe those who can't help but get too excited by terminology could spend some time writing an app that replaces offending words to their preferred alternatives when viewing the forums?
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Good points.
@tiwas, your original point is for people not to think that WP7 cannot mulit-task because it can run only Zune in the background. You then attempt to refine and back up your point by claiming multi-threading and scheduling and all this garbage, when it has been pointed out that when people in this forum say they want multi-tasking, they basically want to run an app other than Zune and continue the app running while doing other things, which WP7 cannot do, yet iOS and Android can.
Throw all the terminology you want into the mix and the above still holds true.
Your "urgent request" will not be considered by any mods because they have not been smoking crack today as far as I know.

tiwas said:
Regarding the app you're talking about, you want me to use regular expressions to transform sentences like "orangekid, you're an f-ing ass-O" to "orangekid, you're an f-ing donkey-hole"? (sorry...couldn't help myself )
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paragon of eloquence. simply amazing.

orangekid said:
Good points.
@tiwas, your original point is for people not to think that WP7 cannot mulit-task because it can run only Zune in the background. You then attempt to refine and back up your point by claiming multi-threading and scheduling and all this garbage, when it has been pointed out that when people in this forum say they want multi-tasking, they basically want to run an app other than Zune and continue the app running while doing other things, which WP7 cannot do, yet iOS and Android can.
Throw all the terminology you want into the mix and the above still holds true.
Your "urgent request" will not be considered by any mods because they have not been smoking crack today as far as I know.
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You're a moron. Even more, you're a moron who cannot read.

tiwas said:
You're a moron. Even more, you're a moron who cannot read.
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when one cannot reason with logic they can be counted upon to resort to imbecilic and puerile insults.
Furthermore, my moronism and illiteracy are the byproducts of having to read posts such as the one quoted above which studies have shown reduce the general intelligence quotient of forum readers by an estimated 20%.

List of things i want my phone to do!

1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D

I just want mine to have a bitten apple behind, and keep this sexy UI, so we could have updates
The best of both worlds

B3nGz said:
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
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LG Quantum
Physical home button.
At first it was a bit of a disappointment, but after reading issues like the one you detailed, I'm glad for it.

how about smartdial?
don't u guys use it?

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!

lekki said:
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.

lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Not sure, but apps are definitely more expensive on wp7 compared to Android/iOS. Even the same exact app. Hopefully this will change when there is more competition.

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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You basically just described Android

I have a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant, wanna Trade?

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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I so know what you mean about points 11 and 13. Games are so slow to load and have terrible resume function. If I get an email when playing a game, I dare not try and read it until I am finished gaming. So annoying.
The rest for me is not so important though I just dont get the custom ringtone thing.

Bleak Morn said:
Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.
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is this even real?

lekki said:
1/. i read it long ago.. waiting for it.
2/. its packaging, ppl dun stare at boxes, but they just buy nice boxes.
3/. Pin to start; i wanna change zune tiles.
4/. i dont want to modify any of my stock OS, just want it to be a feature.
5/. U trying to push the blame from candy to the sweets. they goes hand in hand.
6/. yes very annoying.
7/. Flash light to shine on anything else other than taking picture.. which part u dun understand?
8) alot of app and games is $10.99 , (i love katamari, castlevania puzzle, puzzle quest, guitar hero, the harvest... many others) u dont shop on market place? or are u too rich to notice the price?
9/. bing doesnt gives me wat i want, google does. 100% of the time.
10/. A to B applies only in certain country. how about other countries?
11/. Its not here yet. so it did not happen and its not in my phone yet!
12/. i would like to code if i can. but its M$ job to give customers satisfaction. not my job. and i really respect forum chefs and coders.
13/. my 3 year old kids will learnt how not to get excited. their fingers are just too short!
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i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.

lekki said:
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?

B3nGz said:
i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.
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Where do you live that A to B isn't good enough?
And you have a HTC phone right? Get the damn flashlight app. It's pinned to my start screen so I can see where my dogs **** at night!!!
Are you in America? Because in America, there are no games for $10.99. Not one.
If you're in Australia or somewhere else, I can't speak for you, but where I live and where it is automatically assumed you are from unless you state so on this forum, is America.

Perlnx said:
5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?
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A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.

B3nGz said:
is this even real?
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I think you're confusing that video with "David Goes to the Dentist".

lekki said:
A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.
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ok thanks. u are very knowledgeable and the rest of us are idiots. maybe just me.
*suddenly everyone on the net seems to be a professional*
and the things i want on my phone sounds so lame after your post.
=( sorry my bad.

RE
tethering ???

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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Excellent list of wants! You won't get 'em. Well...at least not all of them...for a very long time. You'll likely be tired of your WP7 device long before you see the majority of those items and be looking at moving on to something new.
But hey! If you do hang on long enough, you'll get the majority of them.

lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Damn, it seems like you would settle for anything microsoft gave you, and then just make up excuses even if some of these things actually would make the OS better.
2. I don't see the problem with letting someone change the background. Both iOS and Android have this function.
3. It's interesting that he mentioned that some of the stock tiles look bad. Today, I showed my friend (who's a girl) a windows phone for the first time, and her immediate reaction was that the tiles were ugly. Unfortunately, like iOS, I doubt this function will come anytime soon without "unlocking" the phone.
6. I just have to say, that this so-called feature is really annoying. I really hope they change it. Or allow us to turn it off.
8. While I don't think most games are 10.99, I believe he was making a point (and a correct one) that prices in general are much higher compared to iOS and Android. Fortunately, prices should slowly decrease once the app number increases, more developers creating games with increasing quality, and with more people realizing how refreshing WP7 is.
9. Honestly, I don't have much experience comparing Bing and Google search, but even iOS lets you change their search engines (Bing, Google and Yahoo). I'm not sure if you can on Android... anyone know?
10. Do you really not want turn-by-turn gps? Or voice directions? Those were the things I LOVED about Android. Google maps is genius. Bing maps is good, but it could be so better if it has these functions. Oh, and allow voice searching for maps. (Edit: I actually tried A-to-B... that application is pretty bad. It's slow and looks pretty unprofessional. But hey, it's free)
13. I'm really surprised more people in general don't want physical buttons. I'm a big fan of the single, depressed button that Apple uses. It allows the phone to stay flat and still not by hypersensitive to accidental brushes of the finger. I'd like to think that older people (maybe >40 years old) would be more receptive to these new OSs if more phones had physical buttons (not necessary just one). But that's just me hypothesizing.

First time with....well everything almost.

I've been with Sprint for almost 9 years now, and before my Evo 4G in 2010 all I had were the old Nextel i95's...so needless to say I'm at a complete loss with WP7. I tinkered and tailored with Android ROM's for years now and have loved a lot about the OS...but I just couldn't pass up this deal for the Lumia 900 on AT&T. I'm beyond satisfied after having set everything up and loving how tightly knit and integrated a lot of the features are. But I still have some questions:
1) Can i screen capture with the stock rom? I don't want to have to unlock this phone (That was one of the reasons I left Android, you needed to unlock to do ANYTHING)
2) Are there any apps beyond the 3 that use a double tile? Is this a setting somewhere that I'm missing on? Kinda like resizing widgets?
3) Are there different themes, beyond the color switching pallete, that can be used with WP7? And while we're at it, is there a different lockscreen or anything else that can be done from it besides unlocking it? (Such as unlocking to text, email, custom app?)
4) What's up with the notifications disappearing after a while before I get a chance to check em? Is there a way to check them besides going to their respective clients to see what I missed?
5) Can you guys point me towards some alternative apps or settings to replace some of the stock feaures?
6) Besides having to login to AT&T all the time, is there a different way to monitor my data usage? A simple app perhaps?
7) Oh and how could I forget....do I have to go all the way to the settings every time to see what the percentage on my battery is? I found a couple threads saying that you have to unlock the phone for this feature but I refuse to believe that something this simple needs a workaround like that.
Thanks in advance guys, loving this OS and looking forward to some of the changes.

1) Unfortunately not. Most screen captures you see on the net are done using the development software.
2) Tiles sizes are determined by the developers. I wish there was a way of making them single or double too.
3) The colours are the only customisation you can do right now without unlocking the device other than changing the lock screen. The lockscreen I like, as it unlocks to the "desktop" when there is no notifications but if you unlock it as a notification happens then it will take you the application required to see the notification.
Also for some awesome lock screens go to the deviantart website.
4) This is my one and only gripe with WP7. Having said that after unlocking the notication is either facebook or twitter (the only ones not shown on the home screen) and both of those show on my "ME" tile. So really if I want to see anything I missed I go to the "ME" tile and slide across to notifications.
5) What stock features do you need help with?
6) Im not on AT&T and my phone provider has an app to do this so I would be contacting AT&T about this.
7) They do not show a % because its not very accurate I think. This is something I at first hated but I don't care that much any more. This is not like my Samsung Galaxy II which wouldn't last a day. I usually get over a days use out of my Lumia so I don't have to look all the time and be worried. When the love heart goes on the battery I know its getting low but still I have HOURS left.

In terms of number 5 I just meant is there an alternate keyboard, browser, gallery, search feature/marketplace etc. Not that I have a problem with any of these (although I do miss haptic feedback on my keyboard) I just wanted to know if there were alternatives.
EDIT: I do have a problem with ONE of those things I mentioned. The marketplace...it seems too cluttered and feels like the phone is always zoomed in with the way everything looks...but that looks like it was done on purpose.

You.can get two off your list with a Developer unlocked device. Think of it this way. Nokia is giving you a $100 credit because of the data issue. Use it to purchase a legitimate Dev key from Microsoft. Can sideload apps, and also develop with it.
1) can do it with homebrew Screen Capturer app.
2) Only Microsoft or OEMs can develop double wide tiles.
3) Need to have an interop unlocked device to add colors, etc. More involved than dev unlocked and not yet available for the L900.
6) The AT&T myAT&T app will give you the info you need. Nokia is also releasing a data tracking app. Coming soon.
7) Homebrew Battery Meter app. Updates a Live Tile every 10 minutes. Pretty accurate. Good history charts.
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There are a few other browsers and such but they are all just front ends for the existing apps supplied with the device. There is also a few marketplace apps which you might find better. I use AppTastic every now and then purely as it shows what's on sale. There might be an app which I don't think is worth $5 or $6 after the trial but would happily purchase to support the developers for a few bucks.

iiDeadSeriousii said:
In terms of number 5 I just meant is there an alternate keyboard, browser, gallery, search feature/marketplace etc. Not that I have a problem with any of these (although I do miss haptic feedback on my keyboard) I just wanted to know if there were alternatives.
EDIT: I do have a problem with ONE of those things I mentioned. The marketplace...it seems too cluttered and feels like the phone is always zoomed in with the way everything looks...but that looks like it was done on purpose.
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Well, there are alot of the things that are different. Can't/Won't say if its better because thats a personal choice. I've grown to love the look and feel now. So has my daughter...but my son hates it. I gave them both 2 weeks to like it or I would buy them their next phone. My daughter converted...my son did not, and did not want new phone. But, with that said, there are some things I miss from Android....not much, but some. I do wish Live Tiles were a touch more customizable. I wish I could have some more color schemes instead of the just the current ones. I'd love to have a Black/White and/or Grey/white combination of colors also.
Otherwise....its a matter of just trying and getting used to it. I think it took my daughter 3 days to get used to the tiles and groupings of the hubs and what they are designed for. Her original list of must haves went away....

Thanks for all the help guys, yea I figured that most of my complaints/issues could only be solved with an unlock phone but I figured I'd ask. I've got another question, do apps auto update or do I need to manually check em every time?

Your marketplace tile will have a number on it showing the number of updates available. So no you never need to go check but you do need to initiate the update manually when you see that there is some waiting for update.

Again thanks guys for getting me started with the phone. Just a few more questions:
1) Is there a way to set a tile to immediately turn on/off either Bluetooth or Wifi? Or am I stuck with the default settings tile?
2) Can I save a setting where I don't have to download my pictures every time I open an email? I used to just pit "Always show pictures" on the Android GMail client.
3) I've looked and looked and still cant find a tile to just show battery. Can someone link me to an official one that I don't have to side load?
4) Is the app Bandwidth the only app for network speed test? Its kinda glitchy for me.
5) Is there a way to get that HTC Hub on this Lumia or is that another thing where I gotta unlock the phone? I really like the look of it.
6) Someone mentioned that you can change the lockscreen, or at the very least the wallpaper, how do you do that?
Thanks.

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Again thanks guys for getting me started with the phone. Just a few more questions:
1) Is there a way to set a tile to immediately turn on/off either Bluetooth or Wifi? Or am I stuck with the default settings tile?
2) Can I save a setting where I don't have to download my pictures every time I open an email? I used to just pit "Always show pictures" on the Android GMail client.
3) I've looked and looked and still cant find a tile to just show battery. Can someone link me to an official one that I don't have to side load?
4) Is the app Bandwidth the only app for network speed test? Its kinda glitchy for me.
5) Is there a way to get that HTC Hub on this Lumia or is that another thing where I gotta unlock the phone? I really like the look of it.
6) Someone mentioned that you can change the lockscreen, or at the very least the wallpaper, how do you do that?
Thanks.
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Dont know if someone mentioned this, but you're in the droid mentality right now. Like Apple, alot of the framework is locked down. Even with sideloads, alot of the framework is not available. HTC Hub is one of those. MS did not want that kind of screen and they don't allow it. WP is based on Live Tiles and they are sticking with it...for now.
You can change the lock screen pic by going to settings and Lock+Wallpaper. You can change the timeing settings and the picture. If you have a picture you want to use, go to your pictures hub and simply long press on the pic, use as wallpaper is an option.
But mostly, do not expect alot of hack/modding on these phones. For the most part, most of Windows phones, were Android phones at 1 time...ie the Samsung focus line. HD7 was the HD2 line which has been successfully ported to Android and WP7. If you want android type functionality in terms of look and feel...probably not gonna get it here. Of course, I could be wrong....but...who knows.

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Again thanks guys for getting me started with the phone. Just a few more questions:
1) Is there a way to set a tile to immediately turn on/off either Bluetooth or Wifi? Or am I stuck with the default settings tile?
2) Can I save a setting where I don't have to download my pictures every time I open an email? I used to just pit "Always show pictures" on the Android GMail client.
3) I've looked and looked and still cant find a tile to just show battery. Can someone link me to an official one that I don't have to side load?
4) Is the app Bandwidth the only app for network speed test? Its kinda glitchy for me.
5) Is there a way to get that HTC Hub on this Lumia or is that another thing where I gotta unlock the phone? I really like the look of it.
6) Someone mentioned that you can change the lockscreen, or at the very least the wallpaper, how do you do that?
Thanks.
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I don't have answers for all of these, but here's a few (and fwiw I agree
with alodar1). But before I begin, not sure if you're aware of the Marketplace online (http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/marketplace) - might make searching easier as you're starting out.
1) "Settings Tile" is 1 such app (I don't use these, so I can't recommend which one to install, but I've seen this one recommended... *shrug*) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/102014a6-156e-4604-8f1a-2a86e4edf191
2 & 3 don't know, sorry
4) TestMyNet works decent: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/a25ec139-fc33-4571-9425-cf031a3312bb
5) No, sorry (I had it and never really used it...)
6) Answered above =)
You may also want to check out 'AppFlow' (http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0) or some similar application recommendation app.

alodar1 said:
Dont know if someone mentioned this, but you're in the droid mentality right now. Like Apple, alot of the framework is locked down. Even with sideloads, alot of the framework is not available. HTC Hub is one of those. MS did not want that kind of screen and they don't allow it. WP is based on Live Tiles and they are sticking with it...for now.
You can change the lock screen pic by going to settings and Lock+Wallpaper. You can change the timeing settings and the picture. If you have a picture you want to use, go to your pictures hub and simply long press on the pic, use as wallpaper is an option.
But mostly, do not expect alot of hack/modding on these phones. For the most part, most of Windows phones, were Android phones at 1 time...ie the Samsung focus line. HD7 was the HD2 line which has been successfully ported to Android and WP7. If you want android type functionality in terms of look and feel...probably not gonna get it here. Of course, I could be wrong....but...who knows.
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Yea I realize I still kinda am in that mentality. It's just there's so many little things I took for granted that I never realized were there until this happened. I love this platform so far though, I have no major complaints, just small issues with it. But thanks for the tip, yea I know about the HD2 cause the first thing my brother did when he got that a couple years ago was have me put Gingerbread on it lol. I'll stick with what I've got for now tho, this is a ridiculously smooth experience and if I've gotta make some sacrifices, oh well. I still get everything done that I want throughout the day...I just wished some apps were better supported.