With honor to the_ape for finding the registry key HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCMenus
This allows you to modify the menu size and skin the images of the HTCMenus, as found on the new V3 TF3D, like the one in all the latest ROM's with Topaz stuff in it. See the screen prints if you are unsure what I am talking about. You need these newer menus already installed, if you not not have them yet, these settings will not install them for you.
Remark 1: Oddly though it changes the menu size for all programs, except TF3D itself....[elim]
Remark 2: Problems with menu's drawn from the top (slow with floodfill error) are solved. So it should now work with Resco, wktask, SC3. The error may still appear if you are in landscape, the menu is drawn from top and has 6 or less items. To solve that too, also restore the included bitmap to the windows directory.
The bitmaps are hardly changed (I colored 6 very critically placed pixels), but I did re-encode as monocrome & 8-bit, so the first load of the first menu should be marginally faster.
For full skinning, read post 24. But if you just want to make the menus smaller, the attached registry file will allow to fit 11 in stead of 8 menu items on a screen by reducing the tile hight from 72 to 60. To restore to the original, import the HTCMenuNormal file.
The total allowable 'Navi' + 'Item' heigth is 696 in portrait and 376 in Landscape.
Original portrait values are 72+46 which at 8 items means (46+8*72+46)=668
Original landscape values are 72+46 which at 3 items means (46+3*72+46)=308
Not only too large, but non-optimal use of space, especially in Landscape.
I use portrait values 60+18 which at 11 items is (18+11*60+18)=696 Exact!
and landscape values 57+17 which at 6 items is (17+6*57+17)=376 Exact!
So I believe these values are ideal in efficiency, large enough to select and drag, but quite a bit more menu selections (double in landscape!!). The 'Navi' is too small for the finger, but you are supposed to drag the entire menu. And they do still visualise the fact there are more menu options. Below zip file holds now these values.
Or do it manually:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\HTCMenus]
"ItemHL"="0,[B]79[/B],0,[B]6[/B]"
"ItemHW"="440,[B]60[/B],640,[B]57[/B]"
"ItemTile"="10,[B]60[/B],[B]152[/B],0,11,22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,110,121,132,143,154,165"
"NaviHW"="440,[B]17[/B],640,[B]17[/B]"
"NaviTile"="10,[B]17[/B],[B]162[/B],200,211,222,233,244,255,266,277,288,299,310,321,332,343"
"NaviIcon"="20,[B]17[/B],[B]162[/B],354,375,396,417"
I was hoping also to find a registry setting to speed up the animation (sliding, appearing from bottom) but that I did not find yet.
Below files are registry files. You can import them using your favorite registry editor. Don't forget to also copy the bitmaps to the windows directory, To uninstall/reset, import the 'Normal' registry file, which is the values as I first found them on my Dutty's 1.8 EXTREME. The bitmaps you can leave (it does not matter) or delete (the old ROM version will re-appear)
NOTICE: Even newer TF3D (Dutty 2.2, but possibly also other recent ROMS) have slightly different settings. Co0kieMonster worked it all out nicely here, so best not use the outdated files in this thread anymore, unless if you have a really old version of Manilla.
This is a cool idea, as those menus took up the whole screen sometimes. Got any screen-shotties?
Good tips. Thank you very much.
Helps if you could give some instruction on how to use the files.
I tried changing the reg vaules (all the "item" values). It does change it smaller, but causes havoc in my Resco File explorer. When pressing the favourite button, the device freezes with no drop down menu displayed at all. I then press the menu at the bottom right, and the entire screen went hair wired for a while.
thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
eaglesteve said:
Good tips. Thank you very much.
Helps if you could give some instruction on how to use the files.
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There just registry files. Just import them. 'Normal' to go back to original, 'Small' to use my 10-menuline settings.
If you have .fred task manager (fdcTaskMgr) you may first have to associate .reg files so you can import. On Dutty's 1.8, this is already done. I think your resco also has a registry editor and can also import.
Or you just manually read the registry files and edit using your Resco registry editor
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I tried changing the reg vaules (all the "item" values). It does change it smaller, but causes havoc in my Resco File explorer. When pressing the favourite button, the device freezes with no drop down menu displayed at all. I then press the menu at the bottom right, and the entire screen went hair wired for a while.
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Odd. Are the menus OK in other programs? You should soft-reset between changes. Can you revert to 'normal' by importing that file and is the problem gone again?
There is a problem with the selection (see screenshot #1). I test a little bit and when I let ItemHL on the values "0,73,0,0" it works better (see #2).
I attach the changed registry file.
Update: The problem is now that this doesn't work in manila?! All other menus are smaller but in manila the entries are normal (#3).
Elim said:
There is a problem with the selection (see screenshot #1). I test a little bit and when I let ItemHL on the values "0,73,0,0" it works better (see #2).
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I had that once too, but it went away with the next reset. So I still have the ItemHL set to 58, but the select bar looks OK. So though I do not understand ItemHL, I think it may not be the cause of what you saw.
Edit: You are correct, the ItemHL needs to stay at 73, that value probably is not related to the 72 of ItemHW
Elim said:
Update: The problem is now that this doesn't work in manila?! All other menus are smaller but in manila the entries are normal (#3).
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Hey, you are right. (I only use Manilla when I show of the phone, and use classic today normally) Maybe manilla uses hardcoded settings? Or some other registry settings?
cybermaus said:
Odd. Are the menus OK in other programs? You should soft-reset between changes. Can you revert to 'normal' by importing that file and is the problem gone again?
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The problem of hair wired display is observed in Resco file explorer when you click on the favourite (Star) icon at the top right side. The device is momentarily frozen but return back with a blinking blackist menu.
If I import in the normal registry item, this problem is gone.
Okay - I LIKE the HTC menus on touchflo apps and would like to have this style menu in ALL programs (much like in Duttys rom) such as mail, calendar etc.. How can I make this happen?
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
Thanks.
Kal-El said:
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
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It only works in other Applications. In Manila it doesn't change anything (for me). But that's okay because only in other applications the menus are to big.
cybermaus said:
I had that once too, but it went away with the next reset.
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Two resets?
Update: No, doesn't change.
cybermaus said:
Hey, you are right.
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At least it's not my mistake...
eaglesteve said:
The problem of hair wired display is observed in Resco file explorer when you click on the favourite (Star) icon at the top right side. The device is momentarily frozen but return back with a blinking blackist menu.
If I import in the normal registry item, this problem is gone.
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Well, I'll see if I can get a copy of Resco and try if I can confirm. But if it is like you say, I am not sure if there is anything we can do about it. There is no programming or anything, just the menu size. If Resco is allergic to that, we may simply have to accept that.
Kal-El said:
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
Thanks.
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This *does not install* any large menu program. You must already have the large menus installed, they come with the new TF3D. And you probably do not have that, otherwise you would not have asked. If you do not have them yet, these settings will not do anything for you.
But yes, once you have HTC Menus installed, they work in *all* programs that use the template Windows Mobile menu system. (I suspect HTC replaces the template menu driver or something)
PS: do not mistake "HTC Menu" with "LargeStartMenu", also by HTC. The latter has been around for a while, even as cab, but the menu replacement is rather new, and not extracted (yet)
Cheers for taking it further, I'd had a play with the size values (not long enough), and not got what I wanted.
You have to remember the defaults are probably set for the pro2 with a smaller physical screen, hence the big'nes on the HD.
Font's are dependent on the font family you use I've found.
Looks like the small font mess up wktask too, rending it impossible to terminate/close task, or go to the action menu. Restoring it to normal font cures the problem.
Great!
thanks for sharing!
HTC Menu CAB installation?
cybermaus said:
This *does not install* any large menu program. You must already have the large menus installed, they come with the new TF3D. And you probably do not have that, otherwise you would not have asked. If you do not have them yet, these settings will not do anything for you.
But yes, once you have HTC Menus installed, they work in *all* programs that use the template Windows Mobile menu system. (I suspect HTC replaces the template menu driver or something)
PS: do not mistake "HTC Menu" with "LargeStartMenu", also by HTC. The latter has been around for a while, even as cab, but the menu replacement is rather new, and not extracted (yet)
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Ok, I understood thanks.
It is possible to obtain the CAB for this application?
I Use Finger Menu, but does not satisfy me to 100%, I prefer an application developed directly from HTC...
Still thanks.
Kal-El said:
Ok, I understood thanks.
It is possible to obtain the CAB for this application?
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I do not think anyone extracted it into a cab yet.
And I never done anything like that. It probably means finding out all the interdependencies between files, extracting said files, extracting the service settings, and building a cab. Interesting, I am willing to try when I have the time, but don't hold your breath, it may take a while.....
Really it is a very big work!
Fortunately I am a patient person...
Hi Guys, not even sure if this is possible, but can the WiMo scroll bars be skinned? I'm referring to the arrows and the bar itself.
I notice that the 6.5 scroll bars and arrows are different to 6.1, but is this "controllable" and can we change it ourself? If it is possible, what files would I need to change?
already tried such a way and there is no easy path about it. meaning there is no software or whateverware that allows you to do such thing. the only option available today is the one of changing system colors (you know like in normal pc's window background etc) and it does not even work well. I guess that a small proggie that behaves like fingermenu would do the trick...
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already tried such a way and there is no easy path about it. meaning there is no software or whateverware that allows you to do such thing. the only option available today is the one of changing system colors (you know like in normal pc's window background etc) and it does not even work well. I guess that a small proggie that behaves like fingermenu would do the trick...
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yeah, I didn't think there would be a software program to do it, was wondering if there's any .dll to embed the images or reg key to change it... Similar to how programs like KiteOS can change the scroll bars on desktop Windows to look like the Aqua theme bars...
Then again, given that TouchFLO is supposed to be usable instead of the scroll bar, I could just set the width to zero in registry and be done with them...
tried aswell but unfortunately this is not the best option... you will actually needed those sucky things sometime (for dropdown menus mainly, if the amount of choices is more lines than displayable, scrolling to the end is a difficult task...)
Please, can anyone help?
I just recieved a new Verizon Touch Pro 2 and am trying to find the tweaks to set it up the way I would like. Frankly, I have spent hours looking and have not been able to find everything. Yes, this is cheesy and weak, but I am just burned out.
I am looking for some help on how to:
1. Change the 'Start' menu to use small fonts and work more like the standard Start menu (I do not use the Touchflo interface)
2. Disable word complete when using the keyboard. My ham hands keep messing things up.
3. Unlock the top of the screen so touching the battery icon takes me to power settings, touching the connection icon will let me disconnect data or start the connection manager and touching the volumn will bring up a volumn control. I really dislike having that area just open notifications.
4. Is there some decent, free theme generator out there? I was pretty happy with the one I had on the Omnia 1, but the TP2 seems to be pretty locked down for Touchflo.
I am sure there are more things, but hopefully getting these key things accomplished will remotivate me to try and go and find everything else myself.
Thanks in advance!
Maybe if I am feeling up to it this weekend I will play with my old Samsung and see what use I can make of it. Until I brick it, most likely. I am thinking about learning to create my own ROMS, and seeing if I can create one with no phone functionality at all. Useless? Probably. But something ingteresting to do on these long winter weekends.
1. TF3D2 Tweak. This has this option. (Pretty sure that's the right link, if it isn't then Google is your friend)
2. When your is displayed, mid-left there is XT9 and ABC, make sure that ABC is highlighted.
The others I'm not too sure about. Let me know if this helps.
3. go to HKLM\Services\NotificationManager\ in your registry.
Change the "flags" entry to 4 instead of 0, and it should go back to the default windows mobile notifications (any value other than 0 worked for me to switch back to the old style, but I saw another post that suggested "4").
I would also like to apply that change to unlock the top bar but am getting an "Access Denied" message when I attempt to change it.. Using mobregedit to do it.. what should I do?
Hello everybody, have finished my modification of kenia1234 sense startmenu replacement, using CHTeditor I have seen we can change programpages from 4 to 5 columns, wanted to do the same on kenia startmenu replacement...here is the result...
This is my first try in modding manila files, and I am quite happy to have understand the thing in half a day, hash file name is really a pain to work with...
But now I have what I wanted, a really usable start menu ( not too much long to scroll like list or 4 columns), included in the cab, shortcut to control panels item so you can disable the Windows mobile start menu to same a great 10mb of RAM, this hack to disabling completely the startmenu is from arto, I have attached the startmenu disabler for wm 6.5 and for wm 6.5.x, Install this to gain system memory...
Thanks to members Etoy & Abrasive We now have VGA versions as well !!!
VGA 4 rows
VGA 5 rows
Here is the link for original WVGA Kenia1234 version :
Original Kenia1234 Thread
Really nice!! I m glad to see that my work was useful for you...
thanks for the quote!
Anyway Good job!!
What would be great is the folder ability like the real startmenu, but thats definitely a hard work of coding...
My real goal to achieve, is to replace the recent program list from the bottom, and to replace it with shortcut for "recent program", "All programs","Control Panel".
This way we can have acces to parameters without loosing the ability of recentprogramlist. but I really don't know enought by now on lua script etc to program the whole thing, we have the layout, we need a good dev to make the whole thing, but I think it's a bit difficult to do as it need the script to understand how to lauch cpl files...
my real dream is a lightweight startmenu replacement like "Panoramic Launcher"...
This looks great - I never knew (or noticed) that the Start Menu was so heavyweight on memory. I might give this a go over the weekend. Nice work!
ocman, this is a very nice tweak to get more ram. I tried Panoramic Launcher, but believe it or not, found it to be a bit buggy. Sometimes it launched and sometimes the start menu launched. I want something which I can get used to. I am trying your program and like it very much. The only thing I would change is to give the settings menu items the same icon as before. I think I can research this one as I know you can add icons to shortcuts.
It does seem to save some ram too.
Well done and thanks!!!
How to put back the start menu?
Hi,
is it possible to creat folder in this start menu (i think yeah but need be sure )
Bye bye (et merci!!)
Hmmm, pitty did not work for me.....did not get te square with start icons. Instead icons where similar oriented as current start menu and logo's where gone.
great job.i ve been looking for a start menu disabler and a replacement for a year.
GREAT JOB,piece of ART !
Not work too at wm 6.5.x.
I installed the cab to replace and the cab to remove start menu, but when i soft reset my device the windows flag has disappeared and i get no more startmenu. Neither new or old
yeah in 6.5.x lost but I gained like 30mb wow
I see were this would really help with CHT or any other version thinking about installing it to see how it works on overlay sitting idle right now with NRGz 8-6 I have 96mb free! That is a good hack either way maybe needs to be cooked into roms and have a shortcut to the windows/startmenu for access to startmenu. Either way nice job.
****you lose your settings menu access as well because I was going to map my windows button to the windows/startup/program files*****
hahaha nice appbutyou forgot something theme settings !
dude wonderful app , but you forgot a shortcut to change the theme and the theme wallpaper ! in WM6.5 and 6.5.3 it has a special path ,not like 6.1 ,you might need to tweak it a little bit ! ! ! !
but its a great RAM saver and super practical ! great job
@ocman,
thanks for sharing..!
Works perfect for me...!
Greetings
sv0911
this works with all devices? and which files should I download and install?
Wow this really makes such a big difference, even on my HD2. This seems to have saved me about 20mb on my memory and has sped up my entire phone quite a lot.
The only problem is I'm using arkswitch and that covers up the start menu button and the start menu hardware button doesn't seem to work so at the moment I've got no way of getting to the start menu. Is it possible to make the hardware button work again?
Overall though it's a big improvement and it has definately made a speed difference and personally I think that this looks better than the default start menu anyway.
I hated the start menu layout and always wished for a CHTEditor grid type layout. Can't wait to try it out!
EDIT: Tried it out and love it. On my HD2, pressing the hard Start button seems to confuse it for a few seconds and then nothing. The soft Start button works fine and the app is VERY good in general. Like others have said, it would be perfect for me if the hard button worked or could be mapped, the scrolling speed was increased and folder creation.
Excellent job!
Can you do a 4 column version also?
Plus 1 for folder creation for this menu.
I contacted Cookie once and he said Cookie Manila Start Menu would be on his next release. Seems like you beat him to it
OIY OP FUK YOU.....
but in all seriousness, I offered a bounty both here at XDA and over at PPCG for a CHT or classic WM6.1 StartMenu/Programs for $20...
Keep up the good work, make it (talk to CHT/CHTE) compatible and customizable with CHT/CHTE to be merged into or if you want to keep it alone make it an add-on still for CHT/CHTE (so we can change the columns/row amount/setup)
$20 for the finalized version with customization possibilities (it can do folders?), make that bottom row optional and customizable, Recent Programs or Folders or like Win7 even with the "Pin to StartMenu"
Either way, when done and I can use it reliably $20 is yours (paypal?!)
hi i installed this program and it does saved 10 M ram! thanks a lot!
however i have a few problems. in sense 2.5, the calendar and setting tabs dissappeared.
i also try to map this program to a hardware key, but can't seem to find the shortcut to the app. can you tell me where to find it?
thanks for helping!!!
I found some registry entries in my new HTC TP2 phone where can I set Pocket Internet Explorer default color scheme:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Settings
Now I wrote a small app, that can change this values, provide me an easy way to change IE color to night mode. (black background, white text, orange links)
Note 1.
This settings can't force IE to night mode. Only works on "color settings free" simple websites. I use http://www.skweezer.com to filter and speedup the webpages that I usually read, see screenshot.
Note 2.
I don't see this registry values in older IE's. Application cheks that the keys are exists. In this case probably things will work. If the keys doesn't exists I think this app is not for your ROM. However you can use custom stylesheets, but this is another story.
Note 3.
Don't forget to restart IE after you change color settings!
Note 4.
Yes, I have many ideas: Switch based on light sensor, time etc. Automatically restart IE... I can do it later.
This is way better than doing it manually <g>
Great application! Working smoothly on my HTC Diamond 2 WM 6.1
Thank you for sharing it here!
Currently I'm using this (save as a ~) text file (shortcut *.LNK) so I have an standard Icon for your (currently) Iconless application ;
Code:
60#"\Windows\PIENightMode.exe"?\Windows\sktools_icons.dll,-177
Download sk-tools their old icon set here; http://s-k-tools.com/sktools/sktools_icons.zip
By the way, before applying your application for the first time I used PHM RegEdit to export my previous settings;
Code:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Settings]
"Text Color"="0,0,0"
"Background Color"="255,255,255"
"Anchor Color Visited"="128,0,128"
"Anchor Color"="0,0,255"
Screenshot;
I look forward in seeing you develop this neat application!
Thanks again
wish there was similar for Opera 10
Senax:
I didn't know Sktools iconset. Now I saved on my device to later use, great idea thank you!
Yes I don't like iconless applications too, so in the next release I will draw a nice icon. ;-)
And I will correct the "DAY mode" registry entries about "Anchor Color Visited" value. 255,0,255 was a mistake by me.
Bobzero:
Earlier I studied Opera's config, (about:config) and as I remember Opera can use user stylesheets.
If it's true, I can do it! User stylesheet is a better way to do night mode, because it will work on the original webpages not just Skweezer.net filtered pages. It's ture for IE too. I will try to make it!
Thank you for your responses!
Hope I can make next version on next week.