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How to manage RAM without a new ROM?

My Wallaby (with Windows PPC 2002) is too central to my life for me to risk losing it by daring to flash it with a new ROM. This means that new tools, ringtones and things have to go into its mere 32 MB of RAM. On the other hand, this RAM is also cluttered up with "skins", sounds and things (including a version of Windows Media Player that has always resolutely refused to work) that Microsoft, HTC et al. have decided I must have. Mostly if I try to delete them, either using its native File Explorer, or via the cradle with Explorer from my computer (Windows XP Pro SP2, local adminstrator account on the PC), I get an error message, "File in use or write protected", that sort of thing, i.e. I'm not allowed to delete them.
Can anyone help me with the following?
- An explorer tool which will let me see and change attributes and permissions where necessary, and delete unwanted files from RAM?
- Any information on possible Windows PPC 2002 equivalents of accounts, local, administrator, etc.? My unsuccesful attempts to delete files have a distinctly "not local administrator" feel.
Another thing that would be marvellous, would be the option to use the (currently 128 MB) SD card as a sort of hard drive, i.e. to put large executables on to that and start them with something like a shortcut, so that they only load into RAM when they're actually needed. Can anyone tell me any more about whether this is possible, and if so how?
Thanks to all in advance.

you cant delete files in rom of the device and even if you could it would not add more program memory or storage on wallay you can only access the rom at flashtime
and at all other times it's readonly and dont take up any of the ram of your device

Thanks for your reply, Rudegar, but I'm looking to delete things from RAM, for instance \\device\program files\windows media player\*.* Am I wrong to think all this stuff loaded from ROM into RAM after the last cold reset?

Oops, I just discovered I can delete the files mentioned above (and did), from the native File Explorer. However, when I tap and hold \\device\windows\player (the media player executable, presumably player.exe) the "delete" option is greyed out in the context menu.

total commander is way better then file explore

I installed Total Commander, with thanks to Rudegar, and to Lumpistefan for being able to use his site as a hop. It's certainly a better tool for file management, but I'm not yet able to delete files I want to.
Roaring guitar.wav is a sound I particularly hate, and a colleague at work is already using it as his ringtone. Therefore there is no way I want to keep that ringtone in RAM. Total Commander lets me see the attributes, which are Read only, System (and in ROM, grey of course). It seems as if I can "greytick" and untick Read only and System, but when I come back to the file these attributes are there again. If I try to delete Roaring guitar.wav using Total Commander I get the message "Warning! Could not delete 1 file(s)!".
As I said, all this has a very "not local administrator" feel to it.
I tried searching the registry for "roaring" but the string was not found. I also cautiously experimented with switching the values of the following keys between 0 and 1:
HKLM\ControlPanel\AdminPassword\Group
HKLM\ControlPanel\Password\Group
but neither had any discernible effect on the behaviour described. Of course Roaring guitar.wav is just an example (and no offence meant to my colleague), I would like to remove a number of sounds and wallpapers I'll never use, and free up some more of my poor Wallaby's hard-pressed 32 MB RAM for everyday use.
Does anyone know how I could do it?

Hate to tell you this, but if TC says the file is in ROM, its in ROM and you can not delete it.
I am not familiar with Wallaby in particular but I guess the file your are attacking is not copied in to RAM. No reason to do so.
Windows Mobile was never designed for multiple users so no 'local / remote' administrator and stuff. Just trust me when I say this, if you can't delete it - it is in ROM.
There are two programs I can recommend:
MemMaid - it will show you exactly what is clogging up your RAM and automatically clean out what it can.
CabInstl - this little free app will let you choose where to install programs so you can put most of your apps on the SD.
Also in ActiveSync, when asked if to install to default location select 'NO' and you will get an option to install to SD.
One more hint:
You can keep all your themes, including the one you are currently using on the SD. Once you selected and installed the theme the *.tsk file is no longer needed.
When my iPaq was my only and primary PPC I also struggled with 32MB RAM (total). I kept everything on my trusty 512MB SunDisk except what I needed on startup.

How to determine where programs are installed?

Ok this might seem like a total noob question, but please bare with me for a quick sec...
I have a stock 6.5/2.1 TP2 and I somehow ran completely out of internal memory! I couldn't even receive texts. I know I have lots and lots of text messages, about 1000 contacts, and a few emails on my phone, but I have NO media whatsoever stored on the phone. In fact, I only have a couple visible files on the phone that are larger than 1MB. I did delete a bunch of visual voicemails and that got me about 10MB back. I ran a level 3 Clean Ram, message purge, soft reset, all that jazz but I still have less than 11MB left. Where is all my storage space going?!
Anyhoo I did install some programs to my internal memory, but can someone tell me if there's a way to tell which programs are installed to your phone memory and which are installed to your external storage??? That was really my question

U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.

You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.

ridolfo said:
You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.
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darkic said:
U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate it!

when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.

dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out

marduk79 said:
when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.
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Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......

XERO_Racer said:
dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out
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Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.

I remember awhile back, a guy wrote a program that automatically deleted bloatware from stock AT&T rom's. I searched and to my knowledge no one has done the same for T-Mobile or other rom's. Does anyone know of such a program or a method of deleting apps that won't show up in uninstall menus?

darkic said:
Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......
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Thank you for the correction.

a2002cmacg said:
Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.
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There are advanced settings in Opera that allow one to set the cache to the storage card. Do a search.

[Q] Apps Memory Size Wrong!Help!!

Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
N.B
I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.

nasimdejai said:
Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
N.B
I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.
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Help anyone?just need an answer so as to know what step to take.Thanks

If this is such a problem that you need to ask then you must have a pretty happy life!
I understand that even though these are apps, they are not using the storage memory, they are built in and part if the Rom memory
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

nasimdejai said:
Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
N.B
I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.
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theres nothng wrong with them?? there reporting how much space they are taking up on your data partiton, witch is 0.00B lol geeez, these apps are stored on your system partition so take up no space on your data partition, use your head man

AndroHero said:
theres nothng wrong with them?? there reporting how much space they are taking up on your data partiton, witch is 0.00B lol geeez, these apps are stored on your system partition so take up no space on your data partition, use your head man
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Whilst I agree that it doesn't matter, I *do* get the app sizes for all my apps, regardless of which partition they are installed on.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Whilst I agree that it doesn't matter, I *do* get the app sizes for all my apps, regardless of which partition they are installed on.
Regards,
Dave
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yeah but a stock desire dosent have read access to system so does the android applications list even have the permissions to scan /system/ and read the app sizes

AndroHero said:
yeah but a stock desire dosent have read access to system so does the android applications list even have the permissions to scan /system/ and read the app sizes
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Of course a stock Desire has read access to /system!!!!
If it didn't, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Of course a stock Desire has read access to /system!!!!
If it didn't, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave
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lol i just realised how stupid my last post was ignore me i havent had enough coffee yet to get my head in gear

finally thinking about rooting.help please

hi everyone
finally thinking about rooting i have a htc desire 2.2 but internal memory is becoming a problem
but i need to know the benefits?
will i able to remove some stock apps?so that internal memory is freeed up?
will apps2d able to move all apps to sd card?
what else will i able to do?
can i install a stock froyo rom without sense for my desire?im sure that would free up some space?

Yes, yes, yes and yes If you want all of the above, you can get it by rooting.
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thanks alot
how much memory free do you have on your desire?
does apps2sd move the entire application to sdcard or just the data?

This should not be in the Development forum, should've gone in Q&A

I have 100 mbs left after installing about 20 apps and a couple of games. Apps2sd will still use a bit of internal memory, but most of it goes to the sd.
EDIT: This is with ~30mb taken up from adobe flash and air on internal.
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Moved to Q&A
Please do not post question threads in Development.
Post What Where:
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
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Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.

mayurh said:
thanks alot
how much memory free do you have on your desire?
does apps2sd move the entire application to sdcard or just the data?
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i have 65 apps, ranging till 12MB per app, and yet, my internal storage has 133MB free

Just realised I was using Oxygen ROM and my sd ext wasn't mounted :S
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noobandroid said:
i have 65 apps, ranging till 12MB per app, and yet, my internal storage has 133MB free
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wow that sounds good
you using leeroid right?
can i root and keep my stock rom and just uninstall all the apps i dont like? wil that free up more internal memory?
will apps2sd move apps on the stock rom?

mayurh said:
wow that sounds good
you using leeroid right?
can i root and keep my stock rom and just uninstall all the apps i dont like? wil that free up more internal memory?
will apps2sd move apps on the stock rom?
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App2sd does not work on stock roms but it does on most already rooted roms

shockem said:
App2sd does not work on stock roms but it does on most already rooted roms
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so it wont work even if i root my stock rom?i'l have to load a rom?
one thing im wondering
how come you guys are getting 140mb +- free with apps installed?
where did the space come from?

If you root your stock ROM then yes you can then use adb to remove system apps. The issue is they're not part of the internal storage but on a seperate system partition. This means removing them won't add space to downloaded apps
If you want to install hundreds of pointless, needless apps** then you're going to need a custom ROM which uses A2SD+ - LeeDroid is one example but I personally prefer either an MCR ROM from MoDaCo or the Desire HD port (RCMixHD). Both also extremely good ROMs
** This is my personal opinion, I don't use my Desire as a replacement for every other device I own so have no need to use excessive ammounts of apps

EddyOS said:
If you root your stock ROM then yes you can then use adb to remove system apps. The issue is they're not part of the internal storage but on a seperate system partition. This means removing them won't add space to downloaded apps
If you want to install hundreds of pointless, needless apps** then you're going to need a custom ROM which uses A2SD+ - LeeDroid is one example but I personally prefer either an MCR ROM from MoDaCo or the Desire HD port (RCMixHD). Both also extremely
good ROMs
** This is my personal opinion, I don't use my Desire as a replacement for every other device I own so have no need to use excessive ammounts of apps
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Tks
I don't have alot of apps
Maybe 20
Problem is copilot, flash, air, google maps etc
They take up alot of space, I'm not trying all apps

S-OFF then remove using root explorer

I have 69MB free with the following updates/apps installed:
1. Facebook (Update)
2. Twitter
3. Angry Birds (on SD Card)
4. Adobe Flash (Update)
5. Google Maps (Update)
6. Gmail (Update)
7. eBay
8. XDA App
9. Street View (Update)
10. App Manager
11. Dolphin HD Browser (on SD Card)
12. YouTube (Update)
13. EStrongs File Explorer (on SD Card)
So, for me, I don't NEED to root. I still do to try a new ROM if it's something that appeals but I love Sense - stock Android is so fugly

Hi,
If you're using Android (Froyo) you can I believe move, some, of the apps an data to the SD card using your existing ROM.
Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications.
Look at the downloaded apps and highlight one, it may or may not give you the option to move to SD card. The ability to move to SD is dependent on the Application developer in question. Hence, this doesn't work for all applications and data.
There are also some Market Apps that can scan the list for you, I tried "App 2 SD" by Sam Lu which seemed to work for me.
Regards.
Colin

noobandroid said:
S-OFF then remove using root explorer
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wat do i do this for?

I'm guessing for removing system apps...if you don't know what it is then don't even think about it at this stage

EddyOS said:
I have 69MB free with the following updates/apps installed:
1. Facebook (Update)
2. Twitter
3. Angry Birds (on SD Card)
4. Adobe Flash (Update)
5. Google Maps (Update)
6. Gmail (Update)
7. eBay
8. XDA App
9. Street View (Update)
10. App Manager
11. Dolphin HD Browser (on SD Card)
12. YouTube (Update)
13. EStrongs File Explorer (on SD Card)
So, for me, I don't NEED to root. I still do to try a new ROM if it's something that appeals but I love Sense - stock Android is so fugly
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i think the problem is i've tried out many apps and then removed them
so i guess mayb they left some files behind
ive got 20mbs free now
i've got these big apps
adobe flash
copilot(sd)
adobe air(sd)
maps
contacts storage ( 7mb
facebook update
twitter update
skype
asphalt
gmail update
rockplayer
launcher pro
handcent sms
slide it
angry birds
widgetlocker
astro
mxit
opera mini
qaudrant
appbrain
drive safel.y
to do tasklist
pool break pro
live sports 24 f1
3g watchdog
street view update
facebook for htc sense
barcode scanner
adyno
circluar battery indicator
anytime pool
paper toss
app protector
moment diary
sms schedular
astro bluetooth modeule
memory trainer
winamp
system info widget
engaget
google sky map
color note
wifi analyser
easy spirit level
smooth calender
task manager
fpt system manager
tone picker
sd move
home switcher
car mode
thats it
most of them are on the sdcard according to sd move and i've checked
some cannot be moved
i've already done the adb thing to set my default location to sd card
so most new apps go to sd
all apps with widgets are on the internal memory
i cant understand why i have so little memory left?

Because you don't have a lot of space in the first place. If you want more then you have no option other than to go with a custom ROM which uses A2SD+

storage running out of space

The past 2 weeks my phone starting to send me the notification the im running out space, the problem is i dont have any more apps installed, i checked everything and it seems everything and i do have the space, my sd memory has 22 gbs still avaiable so mostly all my programs and photos are in there, i deleted some apps and yesterday i had 1.2 gbs avaiable, today i have 200 mbs avaiable, i dont know what to do, i expect you guys can provide any kind of information regarding the problem i am facing

(from an Android 4.4.4 user on a Nexus 7 2013)
(Solution 1)
I began to have this problem after installing the Xposed module "XInstaller". I uninstalled that module and everything went back to normal.
Important: It can get easy to confuse all of these X words. It wasn't "Xposed Installer" that was the issue. The issue was the module for Xposed called "XInstaller". This module lets you change some of Android's default app installation/uninstallation behaviors.
(Solution 2)
The XDA user ghostwheel did the following that worked for him.
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It turns out that when I installed and tried link2sd, I played with the setting "native app2sd settings"->install location. I set it to "external" instead of "automatic". When I set it back to "automatic" my problems stopped.
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Hope this Helped
- Hyp

in file explorer look for the recycle bin and empty it.