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It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
Apple has the iPad with iOS.
RIM has the Playbook with QNX.
Google has the Xoom/G-Slate and more with Android 3.0
HP (formerly Palm) has the Touchpad with WebOS 3.0
I know everyone has been on Microsoft's case for tablets, but now they should be really panicking. I'm not sure it's enough to just have WP7 on smartphones anymore if it wants to build a competing ecosystem. The most frustrating part of all of this is that Microsoft really has nailed it better than the rest of these with really deep multimedia features from Zune, Xbox Live services, and a genuinely unique UI.
A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.
Wait... WebOS is a major OS?
and, Windows has tablets, just because their phone OS isnt tablet based doesnt mean they don't have tablets. Windows xp on my tablet is much more enjoyable.
z33dev33l said:
Wait... WebOS is a major OS?
and, Windows has tablets, just because their phone OS isnt tablet based doesnt mean they don't have tablets. Windows xp on my tablet is much more enjoyable.
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Well since Palm got bought out by the colossal HP and since WebOS has managed to survive these past few months and still somehow stay relevant, I'd say that yeah they can be considered one of the major OS' now. HP is being pretty damn aggressive with WebOS (the Pre 3 and Touchpad look fantastic) and has finally made the hardware to match the software.
That's what I mean though. The average consumer has proved that time and again they do not want normal bloated desktop Windows on a tablet. It's not nearly as intuitive as iOS or even Android, and since Microsoft has to compete with those desktop Windows is not enough anymore.
Makes sense, I guess it's kinda the old WP7 vs iOS, mass market versus us tech geeks who like to play. The question is will they follow the money on this as they have with their phones. As for the new WebOS I can't really act impressed, I mean if they used a rigged poll as their keynote they can't have much to offer. I've played with the OS and it felt a lot like a dolled up blackberry to me and blackberry was just unenjoyable.
the thing that doesn't impress me about the hardware for webOS is how they still use such a low resolution. that would of been the first thing i would have improved on those devices...
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Makes sense, I guess it's kinda the old WP7 vs iOS, mass market versus us tech geeks who like to play. The question is will they follow the money on this as they have with their phones. As for the new WebOS I can't really act impressed, I mean if they used a rigged poll as their keynote they can't have much to offer. I've played with the OS and it felt a lot like a dolled up blackberry to me and blackberry was just unenjoyable.
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Really? I was always pretty impressed by WebOS and thought it was far and away better looking and easier to use than Android or Blackberry. I always considered it "the grown up version of iOS" because the gestures and dynamic UI elements are just so much more advanced yet Palm kept things so simple and intuitive.
But I still drool every time I turn on my Focus
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the thing that doesn't impress me about the hardware for webOS is how they still use such a low resolution. that would of been the first thing i would have improved on those devices...
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That's not true after today. The only phone that has the old low resolution is the Veer but since it's on such a small screen it actually increases the overall ppi. The new Pre 3 has a 800x480 screen and the new Touchpad has 1024x768.
If CES 2011 didn't give you enough hints, here it is:
MS Tablet = Windows 8 running on Arm-based SoC demonstrated at CES.
My expectation is we'll see Windows Phone, tablets running Windows 8 on ARM, and Xbox all running Silverlight and a metro-like interface. You can already begin to see some synergy between Windows Phone and Windows tablets by looking at recent applications like Flickr and Mosaic.
There is a good chance that as the tablet matures, they will be less gadget and more laptop/desktop replacement. I honestly don't know if something like iOS is going to do a good job with that.
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If CES 2011 didn't give you enough hints, here it is:
MS Tablet = Windows 8 running on Arm-based SoC demonstrated at CES.
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That's what I'm hoping for and it seems pretty obvious that's where MS is headed.
But I'm still worried about the touch experience of the major competing tablets versus Windows. I'm really praying that MS introduces a Windows 8 that scales to whatever platform its on--for example you'd see a complex and traditional looking Windows on your desktop PC but if you had Windows 8 on your tablet it would have a Metro-based UI like WP7.
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My expectation is we'll see Windows Phone, tablets running Windows 8 on ARM, and Xbox all running Silverlight and a metro-like interface. You can already begin to see some synergy between Windows Phone and Windows tablets by looking at recent applications like Flickr and Mosaic.
There is a good chance that as the tablet matures, they will be less gadget and more laptop/desktop replacement. I honestly don't know if something like iOS is going to do a good job with that.
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I agree with your first point completely and that is definitely the direction MS needs to go.
You're also right about iOS. I own an iPad and despite being pretty powerful it also looks downright primitive compared to Android 3.0, Rim's QNX, and WebOS 3.0. But tablets honestly make a lot of sense as a laptop or at least a netbook replacement--it's easier to use, almost instant-on, and an overall more entertaining experience.
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It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
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A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.
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MS may be doing the right thing in using their desktop OS as the tablet platform instead of WP7. This will inherently make their tablets more powerful with the largest ecosystem (Windows). I think we'll have to wait and see what's in store for Windows 8 to see how it works out. MS has been doing tablets far longer than the other's. They just never got the UE together in the way Apple did. Push come to shove, they can make an emulator to run WP7 apps on the Windows 8 tablet
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MS may be doing the right thing in using their desktop OS as the tablet platform instead of WP7. This will inherently make their tablets more powerful with the largest ecosystem (Windows). I think we'll have to wait and see what's in store for Windows 8 to see how it works out. MS has been doing tablets far longer than the other's. They just never got the UE together in the way Apple did. Push come to shove, they can make an emulator to run WP7 apps on the Windows 8 tablet
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Yes, their tablets should theoretically be more powerful. But I don't want my shiny new Windows-powered tablet to only last 4 hours on a charge and I especially don't want to deal with all of the Windows programs that all look and function differently. The result is a completely inconsistent experience. I love Windows 7 as a desktop OS, but I don't think I could stand it on a tablet.
And just because Microsoft has been making tablets for longer than anyone else doesn't exactly mean they did a good job. Apple showed them that and now everyone is scrambling to come out with a competitor and--surprise surprise--they're not running Windows 7.
I have high hopes pinned to the inevitable release of Windows 8 and if they can make the Metro UI a universal design theme that developers should stick to only then will a Windows-powered tablet be able to provide an experience as consistent as iOS.
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I have high hopes pinned to the inevitable release of Windows 8 and if they can make the Metro UI a universal design theme that developers should stick to only then will a Windows-powered tablet be able to provide an experience as consistent as iOS.
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A windows 8 tablet that could run WP7 apps would be the best solution and not at all impossible.
But if MS delivers on the UE and UI enhancements purported for Windows 8, there probably will be little need for WP7 apps. I'm guessing power consumption would improve with the newer mobile chipsets and OS enhancements.
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It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
Apple has the iPad with iOS.
RIM has the Playbook with QNX.
Google has the Xoom/G-Slate and more with Android 3.0
HP (formerly Palm) has the Touchpad with WebOS 3.0
I know everyone has been on Microsoft's case for tablets, but now they should be really panicking. I'm not sure it's enough to just have WP7 on smartphones anymore if it wants to build a competing ecosystem. The most frustrating part of all of this is that Microsoft really has nailed it better than the rest of these with really deep multimedia features from Zune, Xbox Live services, and a genuinely unique UI.
A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.
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I consider Win7 to be the perfect tablet OS. I would rather use Win7 on any tablet than any of the tablet-specific OS currently available, even the iPad's iOS. In fact, it is one reason I'm considering a netbook, because of Win7. The way I look at it, a netbook, to me, is a supercharged tablet with a physical keyboard....lack of touchscreen, no consequence.
put on a physical keyboard and Win7 becomes usable. For a proper touchscreen tablet I think Win7 (or any Win for that matter) really blows. Not touch friendly at all.
I have 2 Android tablets and 1 Win7 tablet. The Win7 tablet is a 10.2" capacitive. If I need to do something Win specific then I use the Win tablet, otherwise Android is first choice. If MS could give Win7 a touch friendly UI they would have a winner IMO.
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I've got an HP TM2 which is basically is a laptop with a touchscreen. The screen turns through 180 degrees and folds flat over the keyboard and turns the machine into a Windows 7 tablet.
I bought it to see how much I would use it as a tablet, compared to how much I'd use it as a normal laptop.
My conclusion after several months is that I use it as a laptop 90% of the time. The main reasons for this are;
1) As a tablet you have to hold it, or rest it against something. In laptop mode I just place it on a table or my lap and I have both hands free for typing, and I can still use the touchscreen.
2) Typing anything on a touchscreen is a pain - you have to grasp the machine with one hand and type with the other, or find a way to prop it up on something if you want to use two fingers. Frankly it's a pain and I always ended up swapping back to laptop mode and using the hardware keyboard
In conclusion I don't personally rate tablets at all - like netbooks I think they're a fad that we will eventually get over and go back to laptops.
I for one will stick with my TM2 - I do like being able to use the touchscreen aspects of Windows 7 and occasionally flip it into tablet mode if the whim takes me, but tablet mode in no way replaces the laptop mode. Just no way.
An iPad would drive me mad!
I've been using WP7 on my HD7 since October.
On an almost daily basis, I think to myself that this OS would be magnificent on a larger (7 or 10 inch screen), with panaramas expanded out to a widescreen format.
With WP7, the lines are so clean and the text so large and clear that it seems ideal for a tablet. App developers would not need to dramatically re-engineer their apps for the different resolution. WP7, as a platform, does not require dual processors, TEGRA and all of that, so they could easily build a light and long-battery-life tablet with WP7 as the platform.
I would imagine there is major friction at MS regarding the future of MS tablets; the Windows team want to see Windows 7 (or some flavour of it) running on a tablet, whereas I'm sure the WP7 team can see the immediate advantages of upscaling WP7 to a tablet OS (finger-friendly out of the box, app store already established etc.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't see myself enjoying Windows 7 on a tablet. Installing apps, arsing around with disk cleanup every few months, constantly installing Windows Updates, dealing with legacy apps specifically designed for a mouse and definitely not a finger... would totally take the fun out of a tablet. WP7 is fun! Put that on a tablet! Think of the following apps, modified slightly to take advantage of the widescreen format, running on a WP7 tablet:
Netflix
Cocktail Flow
Amazon Kindle Reader
IMDB app
Twitter
Facebook
Flickr from Yahoo
Pictures app
Messaging
Microsoft seriously seem to be missing a trick here.
the actual reason windows phone apps would work so well on tablets is because it is silverlight. and silverlight was initially designed for a desktop, meaning it was designed with varied resolution in mind. then it was ported to the phone, so really silverlight is the ideal solution for any screen size, big or small.
Microsoft has been doing tablets for 10 years. They just never really tweaked it for touch friendliness. Plus they've been expensive as hell.
This stuff is old to Microsoft , but somehow they seem to be playing catch up as usual.
Windows running on ARM sounds interesting in theory, but what about applications? Adobe will have to release Photoshop for ARM as well if you want to use it there.
And if it will be limited to managed code (Silverlight/XNA/whatever/.Net) then there's no point in having the "big" version there.
There are enough tablets on this planet already. We don't need more, it's not a big deal if MS does not have a tablet. MS has a lot of things most of its competitors don't have and they are not crying about it. God
Hi to the Developers out there.
It would really be cool if we could have WP7 on the Galaxy Tab.
My dream of a good Tablet.
Greez
Normal people would dream about a WP7 Nexus. Or Atrix. Or E7. In my case, E7.
But.. No, no way.
No one sayd that I am normal. ;-) I am an individualist and hope to find People wich likes to think out of the box even for a Dev.
I think a WP7 Mango would be cool. Hope for one of the Dev's also.
I don't even know if its processor supports WP. I dont think so.
And.. well.. an iPad would be even greater (bigger screen for me, thanks).
The thing is.. WP7 stands for windows "Phone" 7. A tablet would be wierd. Still, I rather buy an iPad with WP OS than an iPad with iOS.
Still, this is just a dream.
Let's wait Windows 8. It seems to be pretty good right now.
Windows Phone 7 can run at 1280x800.
In fact, we have hacked the Windows Phone Emulator to run at that resolution: http://wmpoweruser.com/what-does-windows-phone-7-look-like-on-a-1280x800-screen/
That said, Windows Phone 7 only works on Snapdragon processor. That means that it will only works on a tablet like the HTC Flyer.
Just wait for windows 8.
it's better
http://wmpoweruser.com/german-busin...te-for-current-handsets-to-settle-for-wp-7-7/
The German Business Week ‘(WiWo), claiming sources from Microsoft and Nokia, has confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to the current generation of Windows Phones.
These handsets will recieve a stripped down version of Windows Phone 8 which may be called Windows Phone 7.6 or 7.7.
The publication reports ”An update is not technically possible because Windows Mobile 8 <-- WUT? uses different chip sets.”
Microsoft apparently expects current Windows Phone users to be happy with this solution, with a Microsoft manager quoted as saying: ”If people have the same functions on their smartphones, they do not care what version number the operating system is.”
Microsoft has previously alluded to Apple forcing customers to buy new handsets by releasing updates which slow down their current phones, so this solution appears to have been in the works for some time.
What do our readers think of this (likely) solution? Let us know below.
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Joe Beofiore or Scott Gu hasn't said a word, we will have to wait.
But believable or not? I don't think so, Microsoft used to confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will come to all 2nd Gen Devices.
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Doesn't matter , I'm getting a Apollo device. I heard current devices would be getting WP 7.7 or 7.6 anyways , stripped down Apollo
Bye bye Zune, hello Xbox Music.
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.
anybody Who writes about Windows Phone and calls it "Windows Mobile" is not worth trust! Windows Mobile is the past, and Windows Phone is now!
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.
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Its preview, so its not complete. I haven't updated to latest preview yet, so I have no idea if it has gotten better.
The Music app now is basically the one from the 360. I hope it gets better, and I also hope we won't have to download additional software for syncing the phones.
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http://m.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/goodbye-zune-hello-xbox-music/5803
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As what was shown at E3 for Xbox Music, the Nokia Lumia 800 is running the same interface as the Xbox and Windows 8. So it is unlikely that it will be a separate app, otherwise it will end up like Spotify or iHeartRadio.
It is likely that Microsoft will update current windows phones to replace its current Zune branding, and maybe make it compatible with windows 8 synchronization. Or there is still hope that Windows Phone 8 will come to current windows phone devices.
We need a Apollo thread. I'm certain apps like these will come over faster with native coding
http://m.networkworld.com/news/2012/060612-microsoft-onx-259898.html?hpg1=bn
Its basically MS version of tasker
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Dinchy87 said:
anybody Who writes about Windows Phone and calls it "Windows Mobile" is not worth trust! Windows Mobile is the past, and Windows Phone is now!
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Google translate screwed up, the source says windows phone
Well, I would agree it is the same if WP7 would share the same attribute as WP8, like native API and WP8 apps compatibility.
Otherwise what he said same experience is simply not about right, at least the background run, launch speed and performance are not the same as WP8 with same hardware.
Can't believe that Nokia and MS don't support at least the second gen devices! And there were at least enough rumours for the other way round.
And technically speaking, it should be possible as Windows Phone 8 is pretty likely to support ARM like Windows 8 itself! The "incompatible chipset stuff" is just rubbish in my eyes!
Well, new handsets will feature new hardware and more capabilities but in the end I' pretty sure that they will make also low-end WP8 device with pretty much the same specs as current high-end WP7 device!
read the original article:
http://blog.wiwo.de/look-at-it/2012...-losung-fur-update-problem-bei-windows-phone/
this guy has no proof at all. he says he heard it from 2 sources (which of course are not named, he has no evidence etc.) and he names some unknown "microsoft manager" who told him some stuff.
also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.
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also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.
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Lumia 900 is heard to get an Upgrade but Lumia 800 wont (Nokia Online Helpdesk http://wparea.de/2012/06/nokia-care-das-lumia-900-wird-ein-update-auf-wp8-apollo-erhalten/). The only difference between these devices is that the chipset of the 900 supports LTE. So according to the rest of the hardware (Single Core Snapdragon S2, ARMv7) the 800 should support WP8, as all other phones should, too.
Well that's bad news for me; I have a first gen HTC Trophy; I doubt I will get the Apollo update after reading this, Oh well.
Hmm, sounds like crap if you ask me, different chipsets? presumably it still means ARM and we're not all going to go all x86.
I think its safe to say, that WP8 will get released to new hardware, it will have many new swanky features.
Said swankiness will filter down through current win 7 devices IF said feature is available on the device.
I think that's a fair thing to expect. To say we are not getting WP8 is perhaps a bit misleading though, more accurately is that we will get updates that our devices can support.
All in all I am sure we can be confidant that we will get some form of update, without a list of WP8 specs its difficult to say how much of it we can expect to receive.
Should know on the 20th
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The Windows Phone 8 release on 20th would be just a proof of concept device, if there is a presentation at all.
However it will spark the rumour mills and as always, Microsoft will leave out enough info to make us all keep wondering. In a way it creates a sense of suspense which will help make the phone more visible on the internet with lots of people speculating stuff. Would be a smart move to do so IMO.
That said, if they don't support WP8 on 900, people will hate them. If they support it, then there is no real reason not to support 800, 710 and the other second gens. Microsoft will not leave the lower end market out (tango), hence first gen has a great chance if 610 has a chance.
After all, Microsoft doesn't want to lose what little they have so soon.
According to a Tweet by MS_Nerd (one of those notoriously unreliable leakers) Microsoft will bring 2 OSs going forward.
The one which the Business Week called WP7.6 oder 7.7 is going to be named WP8, still based on the CE-Kernel and likely to include most of the features that the NT-Version is going to bring along.
The one which Business Week called WP8 is to be named Windows RT phone (as it is based on Windows RT - the Windows 8 version that is running ARM).
So we most likely will get WP8 with most of the features, but Microsoft introduces a new version for High End Phones including Multi Core support. WP8 will live on for the mid- to low-range Market.
At least that is what we can puzzle together if those 2 leaks are to be confirmed. Although it was pretty clear from the beginning that old devices would be missing out on some features when WP8 came along due to missing processing power/memory.
I don't think that MS would want to keep two different WP versions that have different kernel. Too much code to take care of IMHO.
Well I really hope that Windows Phone 8 will be way diffrent than WP now. Hopefully an opption to ad a start screen wallpaper instead of just the lame old lock screen wallpaper. Also I hope they let us have an unlocked file system so that we could browse our files instead of this BS where we have to use Zune currently. In other words hopefully the new WP will save us from the current one like Windows 7 saved us from Vista.
Tiles that can change sizes
Folders
Tiles with real information instead of badges, ie the missed call, and email tile will show real information
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So I want to get a Windows 8 tablet. I currently have a Asus TF300T (android) and I'm not quite happy with it. I want something that's actually productive. I do a bit of photography and saw that you can connect to a desktop with your tablet and work remotely (I need to look more into this) I figure I could use this and not actually put the images on the tablet or Lightroom. The only thing I see a draw back with the Surface RT is no pen support this is something I would really like. Does anybody have any suggestions on an RT or full windows tablet that has pen support. I'm looking at used Surface RT tablets for around $300 and would like to keep it around there. I have also seen the original Surface Pro for around $500 ( at that price I'm going to have to convince the wife )
You can connect to desktop the same way both from Android and Windows RT. There's official Remote Desktop app from Microsoft in Play store. And I don't think that it will be fast enough to work with Lightroom without any lags and other problems.
Windows RT is locked platform, without jailbreak you can use only ModernUI apps (+these few desktop ones that are included in OS), after jailbreaking a couple more that were recompiled to ARM archtecture.
If you like hacking your device, like in Windows Mobile times, it may be good for you. But if it's all about working through remote desktop - first try to use this on your Transformer.
There's no WinRT tablet with pen support, sorry. Also, if you're thinking about working remotely with magnetic pen - this will just not work. You need to buy something with x86, like Surface Pro and use your software directly on it.
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There's no WinRT tablet with pen support, sorry
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WinRT != Windows RT.
I wouldn't recommend the Surface
bucket81 said:
So I want to get a Windows 8 tablet. I currently have a Asus TF300T (android) and I'm not quite happy with it. I want something that's actually productive. I do a bit of photography and saw that you can connect to a desktop with your tablet and work remotely (I need to look more into this) I figure I could use this and not actually put the images on the tablet or Lightroom. The only thing I see a draw back with the Surface RT is no pen support this is something I would really like. Does anybody have any suggestions on an RT or full windows tablet that has pen support. I'm looking at used Surface RT tablets for around $300 and would like to keep it around there. I have also seen the original Surface Pro for around $500 ( at that price I'm going to have to convince the wife )
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Unless you really need Microsoft Word 2013, the Surface has nothing on Android. If I had known, I would have gotten the $500 Pro before the $200 RT. The Pro allows you to run non-Windows-Store apps so this means you could, in essence, install, say, a device that Microsoft doesn't include drivers for.
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You can connect to desktop the same way both from Android and Windows RT. There's official Remote Desktop app from Microsoft in Play store. And I don't think that it will be fast enough to work with Lightroom without any lags and other problems.
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Also check out Splashtop, which works on Windows 8/RT, Windows Phone, Android, and iOS and actually streams from your desktop computer at low latency. It has a mode for quality and a mode for speed, so you can select the one the suits your task. It is fast enough to play games with, though you usually have to run them in windowed mode since it can only capture full-screen video content from certain Nvidia graphics cards.
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Unless you really need Microsoft Word 2013, the Surface has nothing on Android. If I had known, I would have gotten the $500 Pro before the $200 RT. The Pro allows you to run non-Windows-Store apps so this means you could, in essence, install, say, a device that Microsoft doesn't include drivers for.
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I'd argue they have pretty close feature parity. Most apps for Android have an equivalent on the Windows Store, or a web-based equivalent. Windows 8 RT has much much better file browsing capabilities since you can use the full windows file browser in desktop mode. I don't know of any Android tablets that have a full usb port, and Windows RT supports many more devices. A Windows RT device operates as a standalone computer, one which you could connect your cell phone to transfer files, back-up, or otherwise administer it (or your Android tablet for that matter). Especially for a photographer, being able to connect an external media card reader or directly to the camera is a huge plus. Personally, I think the Windows 8/Metro interface is much cleaner and more fluid than Android's (I hate icon-grid layouts). So, I'm not sure where you are coming from saying Surface has "nothing on Android". It's quite competitive.
I just meant in the sense that RT is still fairly new and Android is already matured, with loads more apps. You are right about the USB port, though.
RT also has much better multitasking, especially if jailbroken and using desktop apps. Browser + text editor + IM client + calculator all on the screen at once, with a Skype call in the background? No problem.
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New to this forum and basically an IOS guy going way back (user not developer) I had a along discussion with a Samsung rep about the new 10.5 "S" tablet really like the device BUT so far it does not run windows
I currently I enjoy using Windows 7 Pro on a Macbook Pro by way of parallels!
MY question IS there a way to use Windows 8 ( so we can use the touch) on a Galaxy 'S' I have would love to use a couple windows programs on this device currently they need a full windows OS ... IS there a way to do this? IF NOT can it be developed? this is not just a passing flirt I want to do this !
If anyone is able to tackle this project please post.
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
Windows 7??
qcjulle said:
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??
Velocityhaus said:
is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??
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You would have the same problem with Windows 7 or XP. They all run on x86 architecture which the Tab S does not have.
so the other way is to maybe......
so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?
if you want a windows8 tablet , you should buy asus tranformer book
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so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?
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No. No. No. No. NOOOOOO......
You really only have two options:
1) Buy a Windows 8 tablet(I have the Dell Venue 8 Pro and like it).
2) Find an app the does what you want for an IOS or Android tablet.
Mac OS and PC (desktop Windows) using x86 while iOS, Android and Windows Phone (as well as Windows RT) using ARM. You can't install software made for one instruction set onto another.
You could emulate the CPU but you would end up with only 5 - 10 percent of the performance.
Bottom line, if you want Windows on your tablet by a Windows tablet.
Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.
what i want
really just LIKE the form factor and SCREEN of the Galxy S 2500x 1600 rez !
What we want to do is replace a laptop for viewing data aquisiton that we use for the race team ... widely used by a large number of people , MoTeC ... see it at Motecusa.com
maybe we can not but I would really like to !!
certainly not for free
eousphoros said:
Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.
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I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?
Velocityhaus said:
I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?
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We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible
eousphoros said:
We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible
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1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
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I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.
Still MAYBE useful for MY particular need
TheGoD said:
1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
P. S.
I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.
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maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR
Hopefully Samsung will come out with a 12 or 13 inch ultrabook with an oled screen next.
Why not get a Surface Pro 3?? Even then, I would find it very hard to do work on such a small device. I work with Windows all day long and I need multiple, huge monitors There is no way I could do what I need to do on a tablet. The tablet for me replaces the magazine in the bathroom!
Velocityhaus said:
maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR
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The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.
tell me more !!
creedicd said:
The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.
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just assume I am STUPID ... not far off maybe .. but you are saying I could USE a TAB s 5 to access a PC close by .... say 40 Ft away .. and just use the Tab s5 to display what it ons the real windows machine WHATEVER IT was even a MAC via Parallels ?
WHAT is VNC ?? again I am not very well versed in this kind of thing excuses my ignorance ..
thanks !!
this sounds doable .. as If I can just use the TAB when i am in the cockpit of the car (very small NO room for me and a laptop 10.5 device is perfect)
qcjulle said:
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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This is what I do. I travel a lot and some hotels do not do VPN's so I cannot connect to my companies portal. The Tab s has remote pc under gifts in the galaxy store. I just leave my computer on at home and connect to it wherever I am and my desktop appears on my 10.5. I can do anything on it that I can do at home. Works great.