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Now MS/WP7 is the only major OS without tablet support (mini-rant)

It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
Apple has the iPad with iOS.
RIM has the Playbook with QNX.
Google has the Xoom/G-Slate and more with Android 3.0
HP (formerly Palm) has the Touchpad with WebOS 3.0
I know everyone has been on Microsoft's case for tablets, but now they should be really panicking. I'm not sure it's enough to just have WP7 on smartphones anymore if it wants to build a competing ecosystem. The most frustrating part of all of this is that Microsoft really has nailed it better than the rest of these with really deep multimedia features from Zune, Xbox Live services, and a genuinely unique UI.
A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.

Wait... WebOS is a major OS?
and, Windows has tablets, just because their phone OS isnt tablet based doesnt mean they don't have tablets. Windows xp on my tablet is much more enjoyable.

z33dev33l said:
Wait... WebOS is a major OS?
and, Windows has tablets, just because their phone OS isnt tablet based doesnt mean they don't have tablets. Windows xp on my tablet is much more enjoyable.
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Well since Palm got bought out by the colossal HP and since WebOS has managed to survive these past few months and still somehow stay relevant, I'd say that yeah they can be considered one of the major OS' now. HP is being pretty damn aggressive with WebOS (the Pre 3 and Touchpad look fantastic) and has finally made the hardware to match the software.
That's what I mean though. The average consumer has proved that time and again they do not want normal bloated desktop Windows on a tablet. It's not nearly as intuitive as iOS or even Android, and since Microsoft has to compete with those desktop Windows is not enough anymore.

Makes sense, I guess it's kinda the old WP7 vs iOS, mass market versus us tech geeks who like to play. The question is will they follow the money on this as they have with their phones. As for the new WebOS I can't really act impressed, I mean if they used a rigged poll as their keynote they can't have much to offer. I've played with the OS and it felt a lot like a dolled up blackberry to me and blackberry was just unenjoyable.

the thing that doesn't impress me about the hardware for webOS is how they still use such a low resolution. that would of been the first thing i would have improved on those devices...

z33dev33l said:
Makes sense, I guess it's kinda the old WP7 vs iOS, mass market versus us tech geeks who like to play. The question is will they follow the money on this as they have with their phones. As for the new WebOS I can't really act impressed, I mean if they used a rigged poll as their keynote they can't have much to offer. I've played with the OS and it felt a lot like a dolled up blackberry to me and blackberry was just unenjoyable.
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Really? I was always pretty impressed by WebOS and thought it was far and away better looking and easier to use than Android or Blackberry. I always considered it "the grown up version of iOS" because the gestures and dynamic UI elements are just so much more advanced yet Palm kept things so simple and intuitive.
But I still drool every time I turn on my Focus
The Gate Keeper said:
the thing that doesn't impress me about the hardware for webOS is how they still use such a low resolution. that would of been the first thing i would have improved on those devices...
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That's not true after today. The only phone that has the old low resolution is the Veer but since it's on such a small screen it actually increases the overall ppi. The new Pre 3 has a 800x480 screen and the new Touchpad has 1024x768.

If CES 2011 didn't give you enough hints, here it is:
MS Tablet = Windows 8 running on Arm-based SoC demonstrated at CES.

My expectation is we'll see Windows Phone, tablets running Windows 8 on ARM, and Xbox all running Silverlight and a metro-like interface. You can already begin to see some synergy between Windows Phone and Windows tablets by looking at recent applications like Flickr and Mosaic.
There is a good chance that as the tablet matures, they will be less gadget and more laptop/desktop replacement. I honestly don't know if something like iOS is going to do a good job with that.

foxbat121 said:
If CES 2011 didn't give you enough hints, here it is:
MS Tablet = Windows 8 running on Arm-based SoC demonstrated at CES.
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That's what I'm hoping for and it seems pretty obvious that's where MS is headed.
But I'm still worried about the touch experience of the major competing tablets versus Windows. I'm really praying that MS introduces a Windows 8 that scales to whatever platform its on--for example you'd see a complex and traditional looking Windows on your desktop PC but if you had Windows 8 on your tablet it would have a Metro-based UI like WP7.
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My expectation is we'll see Windows Phone, tablets running Windows 8 on ARM, and Xbox all running Silverlight and a metro-like interface. You can already begin to see some synergy between Windows Phone and Windows tablets by looking at recent applications like Flickr and Mosaic.
There is a good chance that as the tablet matures, they will be less gadget and more laptop/desktop replacement. I honestly don't know if something like iOS is going to do a good job with that.
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I agree with your first point completely and that is definitely the direction MS needs to go.
You're also right about iOS. I own an iPad and despite being pretty powerful it also looks downright primitive compared to Android 3.0, Rim's QNX, and WebOS 3.0. But tablets honestly make a lot of sense as a laptop or at least a netbook replacement--it's easier to use, almost instant-on, and an overall more entertaining experience.

OGCF said:
It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
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A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.
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MS may be doing the right thing in using their desktop OS as the tablet platform instead of WP7. This will inherently make their tablets more powerful with the largest ecosystem (Windows). I think we'll have to wait and see what's in store for Windows 8 to see how it works out. MS has been doing tablets far longer than the other's. They just never got the UE together in the way Apple did. Push come to shove, they can make an emulator to run WP7 apps on the Windows 8 tablet

WhyBe said:
MS may be doing the right thing in using their desktop OS as the tablet platform instead of WP7. This will inherently make their tablets more powerful with the largest ecosystem (Windows). I think we'll have to wait and see what's in store for Windows 8 to see how it works out. MS has been doing tablets far longer than the other's. They just never got the UE together in the way Apple did. Push come to shove, they can make an emulator to run WP7 apps on the Windows 8 tablet
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Yes, their tablets should theoretically be more powerful. But I don't want my shiny new Windows-powered tablet to only last 4 hours on a charge and I especially don't want to deal with all of the Windows programs that all look and function differently. The result is a completely inconsistent experience. I love Windows 7 as a desktop OS, but I don't think I could stand it on a tablet.
And just because Microsoft has been making tablets for longer than anyone else doesn't exactly mean they did a good job. Apple showed them that and now everyone is scrambling to come out with a competitor and--surprise surprise--they're not running Windows 7.
I have high hopes pinned to the inevitable release of Windows 8 and if they can make the Metro UI a universal design theme that developers should stick to only then will a Windows-powered tablet be able to provide an experience as consistent as iOS.

OGCF said:
I have high hopes pinned to the inevitable release of Windows 8 and if they can make the Metro UI a universal design theme that developers should stick to only then will a Windows-powered tablet be able to provide an experience as consistent as iOS.
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A windows 8 tablet that could run WP7 apps would be the best solution and not at all impossible.
But if MS delivers on the UE and UI enhancements purported for Windows 8, there probably will be little need for WP7 apps. I'm guessing power consumption would improve with the newer mobile chipsets and OS enhancements.

OGCF said:
It just hit me after today's HP WebOS event that Microsoft is the last big competitor without a real tablet OS (that isn't a thrown-together Windows 7).
Apple has the iPad with iOS.
RIM has the Playbook with QNX.
Google has the Xoom/G-Slate and more with Android 3.0
HP (formerly Palm) has the Touchpad with WebOS 3.0
I know everyone has been on Microsoft's case for tablets, but now they should be really panicking. I'm not sure it's enough to just have WP7 on smartphones anymore if it wants to build a competing ecosystem. The most frustrating part of all of this is that Microsoft really has nailed it better than the rest of these with really deep multimedia features from Zune, Xbox Live services, and a genuinely unique UI.
A couple of months ago, people kept saying Microsoft needs to make WP7 for tablets right that moment. I didn't believe them back then but now I think Microsoft is seriously in trouble. Tablets are going to cannibalize laptop/netbook sales soon and one of the top PC manufacturers, HP, is even pushing WebOS on to laptops later this year. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve with Windows 8 and cross-compatibility with WP7, I am beginning to worry about the long term plan here.
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I consider Win7 to be the perfect tablet OS. I would rather use Win7 on any tablet than any of the tablet-specific OS currently available, even the iPad's iOS. In fact, it is one reason I'm considering a netbook, because of Win7. The way I look at it, a netbook, to me, is a supercharged tablet with a physical keyboard....lack of touchscreen, no consequence.

put on a physical keyboard and Win7 becomes usable. For a proper touchscreen tablet I think Win7 (or any Win for that matter) really blows. Not touch friendly at all.
I have 2 Android tablets and 1 Win7 tablet. The Win7 tablet is a 10.2" capacitive. If I need to do something Win specific then I use the Win tablet, otherwise Android is first choice. If MS could give Win7 a touch friendly UI they would have a winner IMO.
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I've got an HP TM2 which is basically is a laptop with a touchscreen. The screen turns through 180 degrees and folds flat over the keyboard and turns the machine into a Windows 7 tablet.
I bought it to see how much I would use it as a tablet, compared to how much I'd use it as a normal laptop.
My conclusion after several months is that I use it as a laptop 90% of the time. The main reasons for this are;
1) As a tablet you have to hold it, or rest it against something. In laptop mode I just place it on a table or my lap and I have both hands free for typing, and I can still use the touchscreen.
2) Typing anything on a touchscreen is a pain - you have to grasp the machine with one hand and type with the other, or find a way to prop it up on something if you want to use two fingers. Frankly it's a pain and I always ended up swapping back to laptop mode and using the hardware keyboard
In conclusion I don't personally rate tablets at all - like netbooks I think they're a fad that we will eventually get over and go back to laptops.
I for one will stick with my TM2 - I do like being able to use the touchscreen aspects of Windows 7 and occasionally flip it into tablet mode if the whim takes me, but tablet mode in no way replaces the laptop mode. Just no way.
An iPad would drive me mad!

I've been using WP7 on my HD7 since October.
On an almost daily basis, I think to myself that this OS would be magnificent on a larger (7 or 10 inch screen), with panaramas expanded out to a widescreen format.
With WP7, the lines are so clean and the text so large and clear that it seems ideal for a tablet. App developers would not need to dramatically re-engineer their apps for the different resolution. WP7, as a platform, does not require dual processors, TEGRA and all of that, so they could easily build a light and long-battery-life tablet with WP7 as the platform.
I would imagine there is major friction at MS regarding the future of MS tablets; the Windows team want to see Windows 7 (or some flavour of it) running on a tablet, whereas I'm sure the WP7 team can see the immediate advantages of upscaling WP7 to a tablet OS (finger-friendly out of the box, app store already established etc.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't see myself enjoying Windows 7 on a tablet. Installing apps, arsing around with disk cleanup every few months, constantly installing Windows Updates, dealing with legacy apps specifically designed for a mouse and definitely not a finger... would totally take the fun out of a tablet. WP7 is fun! Put that on a tablet! Think of the following apps, modified slightly to take advantage of the widescreen format, running on a WP7 tablet:
Netflix
Cocktail Flow
Amazon Kindle Reader
IMDB app
Twitter
Facebook
Flickr from Yahoo
Pictures app
Messaging
Microsoft seriously seem to be missing a trick here.

the actual reason windows phone apps would work so well on tablets is because it is silverlight. and silverlight was initially designed for a desktop, meaning it was designed with varied resolution in mind. then it was ported to the phone, so really silverlight is the ideal solution for any screen size, big or small.

Microsoft has been doing tablets for 10 years. They just never really tweaked it for touch friendliness. Plus they've been expensive as hell.
This stuff is old to Microsoft , but somehow they seem to be playing catch up as usual.

Windows running on ARM sounds interesting in theory, but what about applications? Adobe will have to release Photoshop for ARM as well if you want to use it there.
And if it will be limited to managed code (Silverlight/XNA/whatever/.Net) then there's no point in having the "big" version there.

There are enough tablets on this planet already. We don't need more, it's not a big deal if MS does not have a tablet. MS has a lot of things most of its competitors don't have and they are not crying about it. God

Does Surface RT deserve to buy?

Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?

Alexsandra said:
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!

C-Lang said:
First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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Thanks. I am not a student. I just want to try a new style stuff. I own a iPad2,but you know it doesn't work like a real laptop.

Alexsandra said:
Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.

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SixSixSevenSeven said:
Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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Or go with a Surface Pro and you can have everything you want

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Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
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XBMC requires a number of libraries that only build with GCC.

forget about it
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.

Atom CPUs will generally perform similarly or slightly better than ARM ones (iPads, incidentally, use ARM, as does Windows RT). I believe there are benchmarks that you can use to compare the performance of different tablets, including the iPad and various Atom models, if performance is such a concern to you.

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I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
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You could definitely go with an atom device. They will have enough power for everyday tasks (unless you use something like PhotoShop). Also I've seen videos and benchmarks, and it boots faster, and runs at about equivalent speed as Windows RT. Good luck in your search! :fingers-crossed: Oh, and the best thing you could do is walk into a Microsoft store and try everything out! :good:

Even the cedar trail atoms seem pretty competitive performance wise with my 5 year old laptop (which does get the usual disk cleanups, defrags and removal of any bloat I find etc). Let alone the clover trails in these windows 8 tablets. Took my laptop round a mates to compare with his netbook, found that the cedar trail was universally slower which was obvious but by surprisingly negligible amounts. Minecraft had a 2fps difference, Visual studio for the same solution file took 0.2 seconds longer to compile, boot times were identical, time to load a 5000 character open office document (same one of course) in libre office was immeasurably different.
1.6ghz dual core with hyper threading and 2gb of RAM vs a 2ghz intel celeron single core without any hyperthreading and 3gb of RAM (well, Its registered in windows as not having hyperthreading, there isnt a bios option for it either). Both were of course using the normal intel integrated graphics.
Honestly, people say that the atom is slow, celeron must also be slow (which it probably is, mine is 5 years old and was hardly cutting edge at the time).
Personally I am looking at getting an intel atom powered device, unless someone manages to release an i5 device with a decent battery at a low price which they won't, besides, I dont need that boost in power. Everything that does need that much power I can do on my desktop.

Windows 8 on a Samsung "S" tablet

New to this forum and basically an IOS guy going way back (user not developer) I had a along discussion with a Samsung rep about the new 10.5 "S" tablet really like the device BUT so far it does not run windows
I currently I enjoy using Windows 7 Pro on a Macbook Pro by way of parallels!
MY question IS there a way to use Windows 8 ( so we can use the touch) on a Galaxy 'S' I have would love to use a couple windows programs on this device currently they need a full windows OS ... IS there a way to do this? IF NOT can it be developed? this is not just a passing flirt I want to do this !
If anyone is able to tackle this project please post.

Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.

Windows 7??
qcjulle said:
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??

Velocityhaus said:
is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??
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You would have the same problem with Windows 7 or XP. They all run on x86 architecture which the Tab S does not have.

so the other way is to maybe......
so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?

if you want a windows8 tablet , you should buy asus tranformer book

Velocityhaus said:
so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?
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No. No. No. No. NOOOOOO......

You really only have two options:
1) Buy a Windows 8 tablet(I have the Dell Venue 8 Pro and like it).
2) Find an app the does what you want for an IOS or Android tablet.

Mac OS and PC (desktop Windows) using x86 while iOS, Android and Windows Phone (as well as Windows RT) using ARM. You can't install software made for one instruction set onto another.
You could emulate the CPU but you would end up with only 5 - 10 percent of the performance.
Bottom line, if you want Windows on your tablet by a Windows tablet.

Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.

what i want
really just LIKE the form factor and SCREEN of the Galxy S 2500x 1600 rez !
What we want to do is replace a laptop for viewing data aquisiton that we use for the race team ... widely used by a large number of people , MoTeC ... see it at Motecusa.com
maybe we can not but I would really like to !!

certainly not for free
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Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.
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I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?

Velocityhaus said:
I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?
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We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible

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We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible
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1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
P. S.
I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.

Still MAYBE useful for MY particular need
TheGoD said:
1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
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I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.
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maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR

Hopefully Samsung will come out with a 12 or 13 inch ultrabook with an oled screen next.

Why not get a Surface Pro 3?? Even then, I would find it very hard to do work on such a small device. I work with Windows all day long and I need multiple, huge monitors There is no way I could do what I need to do on a tablet. The tablet for me replaces the magazine in the bathroom!

Velocityhaus said:
maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR
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The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.

tell me more !!
creedicd said:
The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.
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just assume I am STUPID ... not far off maybe .. but you are saying I could USE a TAB s 5 to access a PC close by .... say 40 Ft away .. and just use the Tab s5 to display what it ons the real windows machine WHATEVER IT was even a MAC via Parallels ?
WHAT is VNC ?? again I am not very well versed in this kind of thing excuses my ignorance ..
thanks !!
this sounds doable .. as If I can just use the TAB when i am in the cockpit of the car (very small NO room for me and a laptop 10.5 device is perfect)

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Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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This is what I do. I travel a lot and some hotels do not do VPN's so I cannot connect to my companies portal. The Tab s has remote pc under gifts in the galaxy store. I just leave my computer on at home and connect to it wherever I am and my desktop appears on my 10.5. I can do anything on it that I can do at home. Works great.

REQUEST: Porting DeX from Tab S4 to Tab S3

Title says it all. It would be a great way to inject more life and cool factor into our beloved tabs!

I agree!

I also concur

Would be amazing.

Should we start a pool? I'd be willing to contribute $30
I like the 3:2 ratio so I'm not going to get an s4

pacorola said:
Title says it all. It would be a great way to inject more life and cool factor into our beloved tabs!
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I have a Dex dock and I used to have a Galaxy S8+. Dex is not useful, and it’s less useful if you have a tablet.
Android still doesn’t have a decent tablet mode, and as you can see from the Pixel Touch, running Android apps in a desktop-like environment doesn’t work well.
Many companies have tried to make Android run as a desktop-like OS, and it just isn’t designed for it.

All I want is full desktop Chrome and Multi window

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All I want is full desktop Chrome and Multi window
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Desktop Chrome runs like a dog on desktop processors with tons of RAM, why would you want it on a tablet? That's a terrible idea.

dragon_76 said:
Desktop Chrome runs like a dog on desktop processors with tons of RAM, why would you want it on a tablet? That's a terrible idea.
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Seems to run perfectly fine on Chromebooks

Xero3g said:
Seems to run perfectly fine on Chromebooks
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If the only thing you are running is the browser, and nothing else (including background tasks), then it runs OK. But Chromebooks aren't selling. So...

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If the only thing you are running is the browser, and nothing else (including background tasks), then it runs OK. But Chromebooks aren't selling. So...
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Just bought a Chromebook. Same m3 processor as my surface pro 4. Runs chrome, Android, Linux, and chrome apps simultaneously just fine. Better in some cases than my surface book 2.

Xero3g said:
Just bought a Chromebook. Same m3 processor as my surface pro 4. Runs chrome, Android, Linux, and chrome apps simultaneously just fine. Better in some cases than my surface book 2.
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I have a Dell Inspiron 14 and while I like it for just goofing around on the net, it's app support is pretty limited.
First, Linux only runs on certain Chromebooks and that will not be changing because Google uses ancient versions of the Linux kernel. So unless you have a newer Chromebook, no Linux.
Second, there's no way for Linux or Android apps to access USB or the SD card, and there's no hardware graphics acceleration for them. While that might be changing soon, it's not currently in 72. That's a big deal when most Chromebooks top out at 32GB-64GB of storage and they already have anemic processors for graphics.
Lastly, if a Linux or Android app crashes, it brings the entire system down. It's like running macOS Classic.

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I have a Dell Inspiron 14 and while I like it for just goofing around on the net, it's app support is pretty limited.
First, Linux only runs on certain Chromebooks and that will not be changing because Google uses ancient versions of the Linux kernel. So unless you have a newer Chromebook, no Linux.
Second, there's no way for Linux or Android apps to access USB or the SD card, and there's no hardware graphics acceleration for them. While that might be changing soon, it's not currently in 72. That's a big deal when most Chromebooks top out at 32GB-64GB of storage and they already have anemic processors for graphics.
Lastly, if a Linux or Android app crashes, it brings the entire system down. It's like running macOS Classic.
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Worked fine for my use case, light and capable travel laptop that I can use for work when I need to. Much as I enjoy it, my surface book 2 is too much to carry across three countries for a month. Didn't have and space issues (though I have multiple 400gb mSD cards). The Chromebook did fine and really I suppose if I needed to do more serious work I could just dual boot Linux itself. I have been wanting to try out Deepin...

worth Surface RT in 2019?

Hello, i Want to know if a surface rt is useful today, what can achieve with jailbreak?
THX

vadash said:
Hello, i Want to know if a surface rt is useful today, what can achieve with jailbreak?
THX
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If all you use it for is Microsoft Office and the occasional bing search, I'd say go for it. It's a great tablet. If you want to do anything more, get something else

not much. e.g., you are stuck with Internet Explorer for web browsing (which is not even compatible with some web sites nowadays).
jailbroken RT will allow you running any win32 binaries compiled for ARM (mostly free/opensource software). However you are still stuck with Visual Studio 2012 for development/compiling.
getting an windows 10 tablet with intel atom processor is probably a much better choice.