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Greetings,
As the title says,
Some of the main Advantages of OmniaPro are 800Mhz CPU, AMOLED display, 5MB Camera (With Flash), 3.5mm audio jack
Some Disadvantages are it has 3.5" Screen (Rhodium has 3.6"), 4 rows QWERTY Keyboard (Rhodium has 5 rows).
TouchWiz (OmniaPro) or TouchFlo/Sense (Rhodium), .. not sure which is better
Price (in UK pounds):
OmniaPro: £291.49 exc VAT
Rhodium: £379.48 exc VAT (Why is it more expensive while specs are clearly less?)
in terms of Hardware specs, .. i dont think someone could argue that Rhodium is better than OmniaPro.
I want your opinions on:
- Which one is better? and why?
- Why do you think that OmniaPro is a lot cheaper than Rhodium although it obviously packs better specs?
touchwiz = blah(imo)...
htc=greatest smartphone company(imo)...
Processor speed isn't all of it, flash on a camera is useless, tp2 has 3.5mm audiojack on some models... Only true advantage of the omniapro is the amoled screen.
tp2 can also utilize the new 7.2mbps networking which omniapro cant.
Again...
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
Rhodium is superior in many apspects, also you have the plus of the support from XDA!
I´ll stay with HTC
And don´t forget to vote!
orb3000 said:
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
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Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)
irkan said:
Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)
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If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.
HansTWN said:
If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.
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Hmm thanks for the input, yeah the layout of the keys in Rhodium seems a lot more type-friendly. and from videos, .. Oddly, the screen of Rhodium does seem crispier than the AMOLED of OmniaPro
and what do you guys think about the price difference? price/specs ratio of OmniaPro seems interesting compared to the Rhodium.
and why isnt there a section for Samsung windows mobiles here in the forums? i mean XDA is not for HTC only right? Sony Ericsson is there, why not Samsung?
lots of questions
i'll answer the Sony Ericsson for u Irkan, i use to have one right before the bloody keyboard gave up on me
The Xperia was a collaboration between Htc and SE. Basically Htc made the device. Hell, it even have the Htc quickgps and task manager on it. Even the hardSPL is the same as HTC. We could safely say that the Xperia X1 is still a "brother" to all the htc device.
As for the site, yes XDA only supported htc devices,even X2 isn't gonna be here. Thats why i chose the rhodium
I am less Impressed ...
Ok, .. i see .. thanx for the input, that makes sense now
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
in terms of the UI performance the Sense seems to be way better than the Widgets UI. If 800Mhz Processor is not enough for there UI than what is the use of it? .. i was expecting that with the processor power i would enjoy the TouchWiz UI smoothly and that the menus will be flying around, ... unfortunately from reading the 2 major reviews, .. that is not the case
The reviews also reported that the keyboard does not register the key press smoothly when typing fast, and you have to be careful and firm when typing .. kindda ruins the purpose of having full QWERTY keyboard.
The camera is said to be mediocre, .. the colours are a little dull, but sharp.
Lets just say that i am less impressed by the OmniaPro than when i started this thread ..
to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!
shiguo said:
to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!
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I saw a "Gorgieo Armani" version of the OmniaPro, .. same specs, but the screen TILTS
irkan said:
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
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You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.
yeah but ...
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You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.
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I can turn it off, .. and will be stuck to WM screen ... that kindda ruins the purpose of buying it in the first place.
I like TouchWiz (the idea of it) but lots of reports shows that many times it tends to lag alot, i even saw some videos on how bad it was (and it was bad)
I have seen TouchFlo 1.6 (or some previous version) being ported to the OmniaPro, reports shows that it drains lots of battery power, and the experience is not smooth at all, and when i went to check the forum that made that port, they stopped supporting Sense porting to OmniaPro B7610 (the one that has the keyboard which is similar to Rhodium) and only continued with the full touch screens (they are trying to port everything in HD2 to Omnia2 or something, so they couldnt care less about OmniaPro with the keyboard)
I asked the same question in some forum that reviewed the the OmniaPro B7610
and here is a reply for my inquiry from one of the users that have the OmniaPro
I would go for the HTC touch pro2. I bought the Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 and it’s the worst windows mobile phone I’ve ever had, slower than my old HTC P3300 and my imate Ultimate 9502. TouchWiz is very slow! You have to switch it off. The screen is very fragile, it’s easily scratched by the stylus. The in call sound is not that loud, the keyboard is ok but not excellent, etc.
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Has anybody yet hacked the DEFY to expose this supported capability ?
Sorry but allegedly, it is not supported.
Hardware limitations.
Wouldent it be limited just by the CPU support? If its the 3630, then it would support 720p
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Isn't 100% sure... can be a 3630 or 3610 ( with GPU )
In my opinion, motorola created a massive production 3630 is cheaper than make 1m 3610 ( with gpu ) and 1m more 3630...
And declarated as an 3610 processor to sell more Droid2/X.
It's a simply market strategy.
If a developer knows if defy have a 3630 processor and can record 720P ( if no camera limitations ), can be good as droid2/x and of course the price as much better.
the defy processor overclocks the same a DROID 2/X with the same Vsel, and the Scores are the same too...
Please gutting the phone once to clarify this...
PD: excuse my ****ing bad english.
Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
BizzaBoy said:
Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
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I think defy with 720P will be great! the defy camera quality it's amazing on android 2.1, and with froyo i supose will be AHhh!!!!!
Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of support for the phone in this forum. Not the worst mind you. Amazing phone I wish more hackers and chefs would give it a try.
Not sure about the defy camera. It's nowhere near as good as XT701 camera. Meant to be 5mp but average quality as soon as light drops.
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pjcons said:
Not sure about the defy camera. It's nowhere near as good as XT701 camera. Meant to be 5mp but average quality as soon as light drops.
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That can be the driver, or Eclair version? THe defy's camera it's better than a loot of phones, incluiding, htc hd2, nexus one, desire, wave...etc
Maybe in low light conditions, it's bad, and with Android 2.1... i supose need an improvement
Defy's camera is bad, very bad. Nokia N95 and N97 are the two better mobile cameras I have seen. Omnia cam (my last phone) is too better than Defy's one. Luckily I don't use the mobile to take photos... because I bought a reflex looking for quality.
BizzaBoy said:
Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
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Where can I get the public source code you are talking about?
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Where can I get the public source code you are talking about?
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The source is at opensource.motorola.com. Click yourself throu the projects.
Perilla_ said:
Defy's camera is bad, very bad. Nokia N95 and N97 are the two better mobile cameras I have seen. Omnia cam (my last phone) is too better than Defy's one. Luckily I don't use the mobile to take photos... because I bought a reflex looking for quality.
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I do own a DSLR (Pentax K20 with an awesome 50-135mm lens). I do own a Camcorder (Samsung HMX-H204). I do own (well my wife and kiddos) various types of P&S cameras. I am a picture/image/video quality freak (by profession).
However if I want to take a quick snap while I'm out there an Skiing, then NOTHING beats the DEFY's camera. It's conveniant (as you have it with you to listen to music anyway). You take a quick clip, or snap a few pictures, and send it over to facebook right away from the slopes, so that the suckers at home can see it right away. Yes, I can get better shots with my DSLR, but that is carrying 2kg extra with me, and yes, I can get better video with the Camcorder, but that is not IP67 rated.
So conveniance wins. The only 2 nagging points for me are that the DEFY could do 720p, but it's not enabled, and that there is no way to set the JPEG quality in the camera app.
Yes, all true, but comparing defy's cam with other phones... no win xD
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Yes, all true, but comparing defy's cam with other phones... no win xD
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No' that's not 100% true, if can improve the camera compression, the quality will be 10 times better.
If i compare Samsung wave camera VS Defy = Defy Wins in good light conditions.
But compared with the three other phones I had, Defy loose.
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No' that's not 100% true, if can improve the camera compression, the quality will be 10 times better.
If i compare Samsung wave camera VS Defy = Defy Wins in good light conditions.
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You might want to try out "Camera 360" then, which allows you to adjust the compression. However for some reason it sucks up a huge amount of power.
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But compared with the three other phones I had, Defy loose.
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If you are taking picture in whiteout conditions while snowing, the DEFY wins. If you are out there and biking and it's raining cats and dogs, the DEFY wins.
BizzaBoy said:
Has anybody yet hacked the DEFY to expose this supported capability ?
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Before I forget. 640x480 on the DEFY can get up to 3 mbit/sec (2.5 as I've seen in streams). The source implies that 1280x720 would be limited to 3 mbit/sec as well. That would probably impact the 720p quality substatially (or the frame-rate, as the "Droid X" only does 720p with 24 fps. So not sure whether it's desireable to have 720p ...
When it's raining, I don't go bike... Have you tried N95 or N97 camera?
I just read on engadget that the Htc thunderbolt can autofocus while video recording with a touch of the screen. How come that the Evo doesnt have this capability or no one have implemented this into a rom or anything yet?
Well for one, the evo is almost a year old, the thunderbolt has slightly better specs, and perhaps it wasn't a focus for users, so no one ever asked. Typically the camera is focused when recording.
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I just read on engadget that the Htc thunderbolt can autofocus while video recording with a touch of the screen. How come that the Evo doesnt have this capability or no one have implemented this into a rom or anything yet?
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the thunderbolt has vastly upgraded camera than the evo. Engadgets reviews rank it as much much better. I am sure this is why it can.
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HTC Bresson, just revealed by This is my next as being on T-Mobile's roadmap, is the 16-megapixel Windows Phone 7 handset we recently saw a commercial for. According to the blog, Bresson is coming "beyond" the September 2011 timeframe, making it sound like a holiday release is in the cards -- and thus a likely Windows Phone 7.5 Mango build. Note that the hardware being displayed here is almost definitely just a placeholder for the real Bresson, as it seems to be little more than a modified Desire S.
Besides Bresson, we're also expecting HTC to bring the Ignite slate and Prime QWERTY slider to the WP7 family this year, although carriers for those devices (if they are coming to the US at all) remain a mystery. Bresson will likely only be rivaled in the megapixel count by the Altek Leo and Nokia N9/N950, whose premiere teaser advertisement we spotted earlier today. However, as many observers have noted, pixel count alone is not the most significant factor in determining picture quality.
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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agreed. I am curious to see a new Samsung or what Nokia is going to bring Post-Mango.
doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Their cameras are...ok, not great. 16mp or 250mp, what's the difference if your quality is just...ok...????
Maybe we'll be impressed but, I'm not counting on anything myself.
Chances are this is the new Sony Exmor R module in the phone. Remember, manufacturers do not make all of a product in these kind of devices (LG/Samsung screens, Qualcomm chip, etc).
I am guessing HTC is not in the optics business. But I could be wrong.
Of course, putting a nice camera module in your phone is only half the battle; you still have to do some programming to get it to work well.
This is... weird.
Looking at the bigger picture here, you would have thought looking at their previous models that HTC would choose Android for a phone that's quite clearly going to be a high end flagship, they wouldn't put a 16mp camera in something that isn't going to be a big model for them.
I wonder if this indicates a shift in their preferred OS, or maybe I'm just reading too much into this
The Snapdragon 8x50 and 8x55 support up to 12 megapixels. The 8x60, which Windows Phone 7 does not currently support, supports 16 megapixels.
Edit: Though I did just notice that the official Qualcomm page says the 8x60 supports Windows Phone: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Sounds like it will be pretty nice.
my next WP7 device will be NOKIA......
It is a great sales pitch.
The only HTC device I ever used was the HD7 and the camera was dreadful.
I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.
I don't buy the phone for only the camera. Agree that HTC usually have a worse Camera than other smartphone, but they have a better build quality. Almost all HTC device look damn sexy. For example: HTC Leo and it's younger brother.
if youre into phone camera, nokia is the way to go. a lot of people are very impressed with phone camera nokia has in each of its phone releases. im sure nokia will bring that to their wp7 release. another thing, nokia also has phone releases that are very appealing to teens and they are way cheaper.lol!
well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...
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I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.
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Nope. Not just you.
What HTC DOES do is reuse their shell and specs, as seen in all the Leo-ish devices. However, that design is a simple, yet beautiful design. I loved my HD2's design & I think the HD7 improved on it in every aspect. But you also have the EVO and such which use the same design.
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well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...
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Xcuse me but which 12mpx on your Mozart?!
A typo I think
Anyway daylight pics are easy for almost any camera today.
Show some night ones or in difficult light than we can talk.
aww its only 8 x(
however, in lowlight it gets grain and noisy,
the xenon provides good light for close ups, but thats it
well all im sayin is htc need to push some updates for cameras
but the hardware should be capable of making good pictures...
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Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Also, touchscreens are poor too compared to Samsung/Apple and probably others. I have the HD7 and it doesn't track smoothly in the horizontal axis (with the phone in portrait more). Presume the HD2 and Desire HD are the same.
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
Photos taken with HOX have a lot of noise indeed.. Sadly, HOX camera cannot compare to my ex iPhone 4s' camera.
EDIT: you might wanna look into that thread.
It's not that the sensor is bad, it's just really really bad compression on the pictures that is applied by the stock camera. Using a different camera app yields much sharper images.
Can you be more specific what app are you using? Isn't compression done before image even reaches any app?
Of course not, compression is performed only when dumping the image to storage. Until then, it's only RAW memory.
I'm facing the same issue now.. I must try another Photo APP...
Any ideas?!
Maybe is the compression you can try to use camera fv-5
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
I also feel that the camera isnt up to the standard as my old iPhone 4 was. Thought it was just me.
Anyone have a suggestion for a good app that will decrease noise on photo's?
I have problem too
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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I also have the same problem and have not found a solution, even though my phone is a htc one x +. See this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2264896
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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Camera of HTC One X is one of the worst camera since HD2, even HD2 has better camera. The only good thing here is HDR mode, which is also not so good.
One X produces photos with so much noise, dynamic range varies and contrast is bad, and on direct light cant compare even with old Blackberry phones like 9780 or 9800 torch. Colors turn to be cold/blue. Photos are washed out etc etc There are no life in photos.
One X and One followed with BIG ADVERTISEMENTS and MARKETING CAMPAIGN, they are not good camera phones. I was naive to buy it. Now im searching to replace with Incredible S or Sensation even HD2.
HTC Sensation equiped with much better camera. Blacberry 9810 and 9800 has 10x better cameras. Not to mention N8 or E7 Nokia.
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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I have made AWESOME pictures with the cyanogenmod camera APP. And now I reverted to stock and the only difference I get is that images are no longer sharper but after an auto enhance edit I get some pretty nice colors and I'm glad with the pictures again.. I wasn't glad with the macro shooting of cyanogenmod and I wasn't glad with the system overall that's why I got to stock.
Thanks ,Dan.
USING HOX
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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funny but im not giving up on HTC as ive mentioned.
i will buy sensation or one v.
it is very bizzare company politics of HTC to announce three new models One v, one s and One x and ONE V which is 'value model' has way better camera than 'superior' A class ONE X.
and what we are... donkeys... it is all about some software (loaded on purpose because of that competition stuff) i suppose, same chip, same camera software two different photo qualities,