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Am I wasting my time or just plain stupid?

Hi Guys,
I've had my XDA-IIs for quite sometime now and recently upgraded the ROM - thereby started playing with the Extended_ROM also...I just thought I would like to share my experience with all here - which may be usefull or just another waste of time - for gurus out there..
Firstly - let me explain - I got this idea as I dont experiment a lot with my unit - so hard re-setting my unit quite frequently was out of the question, secondly I recently dropped my IIs and realized how - valuable it is to keep all settings, software and other information intact - as after i got it back from the service center - it was all gone.
Then was the major issue of Space - I found that the 16MB Extended_ROM was a waste as it is only required - When you Hard Reset...so why not use it ?
So i played with it a while and I got this solution : Please let me know If I am plain stupid or just wasted time on somthing simple by re-inventing the wheel !
First - thing I did was to clear all the clutter from my Extended_ROM by removing all the un-necessary stuff from the default CAB files (Thank you XDA-Developers)...
This reduced my Extended_Rom Contents to roughly 9MB - Then I added some of my MUST INSTALL cabs to the same and modified the Config.TXT file to execute them - This made the total Size to 12.4MB...(I still have space for more..in case i Need!)
Then - I made a CAB-File for myself (using CAB Wizard) - with my Shortcuts, Registry Settings, and all the other files I needed - Like my Games, Regularly used applications like BetaPlayer, noteM, VX-Util, PHM Regedit, etc...a complete list is provided below for reference..
Now - for my hard reset - I take the following steps :
1. I do a soft reset - to close all programs and remove from memory..and Since my Extended_ROM is always open - I just format the same using storage tools...
2. I copy the Contents of the Extended_ROM from the Storae Card into the Extended_ROM area...
3. I lock/Hide the Extended_ROM and give it a Hard Boot (No Pun) !
4. All the default and memory based CABS get installed - with no hassels.
5. Unit Automatically boots - So i just open the Extended_ROM and reformat the same...now using Explorer - Click on the Personal CAB that I made...This installs all my Other applications - Those I did not want to install on the Main Menory - the location for Installation is "Extended_ROM" and it also updates the registry for settings, Creates my Shortcuts etc.
6. That's It I Soft re-Boot - I just give a random check to see if all my settings are there...and start using my unit...Whole process takes NO MORE THAN 3-5 Minutes !
Now tell me am i stupid and wasting time ?
Oops - Forgot - abut the items the list is as follows :
In the Extended_ROM Folder (On Storage Card)
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-- Filtered Default Installations
AIS_ALL_100104.CAB
Album_BlueAngelAKU26_Generic_WWE_RC20.CAB
AutoConfig.txt
AutoRun.exe
BandSel_BAWWE_140921.sa.CAB
BA_O2Asia_Camera_Driver_Patch.sa.CAB
CAB-Customization-BlueAngel-O2ASIAAIS-19May05.CAB
CAB-MMS-2.0.0.21-BlueAngel-O2Asia-ENU-01Jun05.CAB
Caller_ID_BlueAngelAKU26_Generic_WWE_RC20.CAB
CameraWizard_BlueAngelAKU26_O2Asia_WWE_RC20_Customize.CAB
Config.txt
CW-Album-Association.CAB
default.sa.CAB
Java_V10.1.2.49_BA_WWE_0901_unremovable.CAB
MIDI_RTPI_BA26_RC21.CAB
O2Asia_patch_140921.sa.CAB
O2Auto.sa.CAB
O2_Base_09240402.sa.CAB
RemoveWiFiLogo_140921.sa.CAB
SetButtonLock.exe
STK2240_Ecall_O2Asia.CAB
Version_BA_140.sa.CAB
-- My Personal Programs Installed on Main Memory (Via the Config.Txt File - During Hard Boot)
D_CabInstall.cab
D_ceremote.CAB
D_CrystalBlue_skin.cab
D_DTSysView.cab
D_FullScreenKeyboard.CAB
D_GPRSMonitor.cab
D_IntelliDialler.CAB
D_MyUtils.cab
D_PhonePlus.CAB
D_Regedit.CAB
D_SmiliesPanel.cab
D_StorageTools.cab
D_SysCleaner.CAB
D_ThemeMaster.CAB
D_TotalCommander.cab
D_XTNDUnlocker.cab
In My 10MB Personal_App Cab File - Which I execute Manually After the above are installed !
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Games : Monopoly, BubbleBuster, PocketPegs, NeoTiles
Utilities : Unit Conversion, Lamp, Tray Launcher, Off, Reset, Run, Space Detective, Suspend
Ring Tones : My Default and Favorite Rintones placed in the Rings Folder
Alarms : My Favorite Sounds placed in the windows folder
Applications : BetaPlayer, eWallet, Games, Globe, MobiPocket, Repligo, Syscleaner
Registry Settings: Notifications, Sounds, owner, Device ID etc.. etc..and other default application settings like Tray Launch, SPBGPRS Monitor, Notem, Camera, Repligo, Mobipocket, etc..
Shortcuts : to All my Applications - Placed in \Start Menu\Programs and also on the "Start Menu' - Place my regularly used Softwares.
Stupid Question
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But still wondering ? - Why did i create the separate Cab file for the Personal Applications and not just place them in Extended_ROM to execute ?
Well- For one thing - The Extended_ROM has a limit of 16MB and All my applications put together - along with the defaultones were crossing 23MB! So I could not placethem on the Erom and hard boot - I had to find an alternative - secondly I wanted to use the 16MB to install programs !
Also i found it a better option to install my programs on the Extended_rom rather than waste expensive space on the storage and the storage Card was just used for mp3's, videos, etc etc..
That way I could use the Extended Rom for my Installed Programs, The Storage for My Documents etc...and the 1gb Storage Card - For my videos, etc etc. Hence even if I changed my Storage Card - I really did not need to worry abt the setup within. As most of my stuff was saving on the unit.
So thats what I did - Stupid or otherwise - whatever it is - Now when I re-set my machine - It takes me less than 5 minutes to get back on track !
I am attaching some screenshots of the Space after installation and execution of the above...Check it out..
Extrom.jpg - Shows the Items placed inside the Extended_ROM
inside_backup_folder - This is the backup folder inside the Storage Card. It has the folder for Extended_ROM - Which I just copy and also the personal Application CAB installation file.
Space - The Total Space available on the Unit after a fresh Install
Storage - The items On Storage - All my Documents etc Go into the "My Docments" Folder
StorageCard - Contains the "Backup" folder which has my Extended_ROM and also the "My Fun' Folder - Which holds my Movies etc..
Last Question - What happens if I need to Hard Re-Boot and My Storage Card Does Not work !
I keep and alternative - 64MB Card with me all the time along with my credit card etc - this has a replica of the backup folder. I have also uploaded the files on my Google Mailbox - Just being paranoid god knows why !
That's my experience...Too Long a Note ! I hope someone has the time to read this...and tell me I am not stupid !
Rgs/DD

Stupid or not...
Good note mate - can't stop wondering why you copy it all back to the extended rom before hard reset...
you could just as well just have them all run directly from the backup folder on the storage card... That would save the time copying and formatting every time...
Since you know how to do a custom cab file, my guess is, you also know how to add a registry setting (or shortcuts in start) to run thoose cab files at the existing location on the storage card at first boot...
(all cabs must be readonly however - otherwise it's a one-shot... and they are all gone)...
In the extended rom, you can just leave one tiny little cab with the regsettings/shortcuts, autostart.exe and config.txt running... That leaves all the rest free... Or - wondering... why not just change the paths in the config.txt file - or - wondering... the kernal might even look for autostart.exe in the root of the storage card??? Might be worth testing...
My cab file includes TomTom3 and settings, but now that tomtom5 is out, the setup is so simple that i didn't bother messing with it... Also, a custom written application for entering orders with replication, ending up in Navision Attain...
(Just showing off, but i like it )
Now see what you did... this note also became too long... can't stop writing when first getting started...
Oh - btw. - you have used a LOT of time making what you did - thanks for the notes, making me think of the above idea - might use that some day too...
Jan

Certified Stupid !
Thanks JanR,
Guess I now need a Hammer on the head to come back to senses !
You are right - Since I already have the CABS in the backup folder - I could have run the same directly from there by leaving the config.txt and the Autorun.exe on the Extended_ROM itself..and maybe a few critical CABS is necessary.
I wonder why the lightening did not strike me then. Please Punch me the next time I try to give out such Grande experience ideas on this forum !
Will change the script to accommodate and see how it works out.
Till then...cheers!

You could just create a self executing sprite backup of everything as you want it and put it in ExtROM and call it from the config file. That's what I did and it works fine on XDAII and MDAIII. Just Hared Reset and its all done in a minute or two.

Once again suggesting...use SPB Clone software......it is bestg back up tool

spb clone
Don't you think it's a bit pricey for your average user?

I totally agree..
Some of these softwares are "Nice to have..but not really necessary" if you can find work arounds.
What i started of from a complicated process has by far progressed and reduced itself trementously and - i can thankfully say I dont need nothing more....
I have achieved the initial objective of using the Extended_ROM for installing softwares, keep all my docs are in Storage - so I could Switch Cards without issues...
...and that my friends, thanks to all of you here in XDA-Developers have been achieved.
Devdarshan

Wierd 'my documents' freeze in Schap's 3.60a

Came across a very odd problem - when I try to create a new folder in my 'local drive' (not the storage drive) my Hermes freezes up - well not QUITE a freeze, everything goes
v e r y s l o w .... and text entry stops working in whatever app I've tried to use - either Explorer or Total Commander.
Only solution I've found so far is a soft-reset... other file operations on the local drive (renaming files etc.) work fine! Also everything works fine on the Storage Drive - but if I try to either:
1. make a new folder or
2. rename the folder (that got named 'new folder' by explorer) after a soft-reset
- on the local drive, the damn thing freezes up.
Anyone else experience anything similar?
Only running apps / today plugs are SPB Mobile Shell, AEB button, Slide2 unlock... will try in SPB's "safe mode" and report back.

Well post in the Schaps thread for starters...

yeah?... thought it might be easier to deal with here. ok will add it in there...

custom rom: phone doesn't ring, sms works ok

Hey,
I made a base rom for the Trinity(based on fake 20000 build), 'everything' works nice and really really fast, got 90MB free Storage(89.44), 34MB(33.95) free Ram after boot and it boots in 24 secs, which is nice.
But some apps which depend on phone do not start(I think), like calendar, contacts, and the phone itself( the device turns itself on on incoming call). Tasks returns "No Program memory available...". Backlight settings, Clear Storage don't start. Device Info isn't populated.
Wireless plugin and phone icon(which displays: T! ) on the title bar both show "No Service".
SMS is working, and I can open the Phone settings, select the network etc.
Can anyone give me a help here? Any idea of what I may have deleted and shouldn't have?
( Can't connect through activesync and pressing power for 5 secs doesn't shutdown the device too, after confirming the busy icon shows up but nothing happens lol )
Since the idea was to create a base rom as clean as possible, I removed:
- almost all htc apps, even the camera(random access, task manager, dialer, comm manager, audio manager, media hub, etc)
- .net & sqlce
- all help files
- arcsoft mms
- office(incl onenote)
- more small bundled apps
cleaned initflashfiles( I know the invalid entries cause no prob, but I did it anyway )
thx in advance
http://rapidshare.com/files/81890618/RUU_signed.nbh

Apoc said:
Hey,
I made a base rom for the Trinity(based on fake 20000 build), 'everything' works nice and really really fast, got 90MB free Storage(89.44), 34MB(33.95) free Ram after boot and it boots in 24 secs, which is nice.
But some apps which depend on phone do not start(I think), like calendar, contacts, and the phone itself( the device turns itself on on incoming call). Tasks returns "No Program memory available...". Backlight settings, Clear Storage don't start. Device Info isn't populated.
Wireless plugin and phone icon(which displays: T! ) on the title bar both show "No Service".
SMS is working, and I can open the Phone settings, select the network etc.
Can anyone give me a help here? Any idea of what I may have deleted and shouldn't have?
( Can't connect through activesync and pressing power for 5 secs doesn't shutdown the device too, after confirming the busy icon shows up but nothing happens lol )
Since the idea was to create a base rom as clean as possible, I removed:
- almost all htc apps, even the camera(random access, task manager, dialer, comm manager, audio manager, media hub, etc)
- .net & sqlce
- all help files
- arcsoft mms
- office(incl onenote)
- more small bundled apps
cleaned initflashfiles( I know the invalid entries cause no prob, but I did it anyway )
thx in advance
http://rapidshare.com/files/81890618/RUU_signed.nbh
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did you remove all the dll and exe from within their folder for exsample in baseapps you have several folder named something like caldll.dll or beam.exe
but inside these folders are some files imageinfo.bin imageinfo.text and some s000 s0001 and the dll or exe file try to remove all these dll and exe that are inside folder like these then when you are finished use the G´Reloc from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=331094
hopefully this will help but maybe when you removed the htc dialer it had some dll that are needed to solve all the problems you have with the phone

@gullum
I edited the dump directly, didn't use package tools, and I deleted both the file and the folder, but didn't use G'Reloc, I'll rebuild the rom using package tools and G'Reloc then.
Will also do some tests to see if the problem lies in the registry, or missing files.
Thanks for your reply.

1) you should use package tool
2) remove files that you want to remove
3) use G'relock only when you need to port another build
btw. Probably you've deleted many usefull files.

mun_rus said:
1) you should use package tool
2) remove files that you want to remove
3) use G'relock only when you need to port another build
btw. Probably you've deleted many useful files.
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Thanks for your reply, that's what I'm doing now. I'm almost positive I didn't remove anything essential.. but perhaps I have, I used cabs and oem packages to know what to remove, using package tools on the dump doesn't give me the reg entries(unless I'm missing something), and consecutive edits of the rom will leave a LOT of junk on the registry, initflashfiles and filesystem.
update: I think I removed the phone canvas( phcan*.dll ), thought it was only used by that skin, but since it's being listed as missing from SYS\OEMAPPS.. then again, officeres is also under that same entry lol.
Thanks again to everyone who's helping.

T-mobile dash User try this for more memory.

ok, i have read through the forums for a while and have not seen this posted anywhere.
I had the t-mobile dash rom on my phone for about 2 months and really wanted more memory.
the stock rom had about 9,000kb of memory when the phone would operate.
after i did what im going to explain it had about 18,000kb of memory.
this goes for anyone that may not want to install the HTC rom on their phone.
go to windows\startup\
create a folder named backup.
now move files: help, voice command, hotspot into the backup folder (i cant remember the exact names but you will see them)
that should do it.
i like the HTC ROM so far it is working fine for me.
i do have to test it more than 2 days though to actually make judgement.
another great thing about it is that so far i have reboot close to ten times to test the reboot cycle caused by the memory card and there is no reboot, atleast so far.

Just remove the file extension under startup for my5msgcenter to stop my faves from loading and disable voice command through the voice command application. I also deleted the homescreen registry setting for myfaves (to use my own homescreen). On boot I have 22,000kb+ free. DO NOT DELETE THE WIFIINIT FILE EXTENSION OR WIFI WILL NOT WORK. Afterwards startup should have only two files wifiinit.lnk and my5msgcenter. (no file extension). To re-enable my faves just add the .lnk extension back.

works great for me...

Great tip!
Very very usefull for who have T-mobile or T-mobile ROM.

rydr1 said:
ok, i have read through the forums for a while and have not seen this posted anywhere.
I had the t-mobile dash rom on my phone for about 2 months and really wanted more memory.
the stock rom had about 9,000kb of memory when the phone would operate.
after i did what im going to explain it had about 18,000kb of memory.
this goes for anyone that may not want to install the HTC rom on their phone.
go to windows\startup\
create a folder named backup.
now move files: help, voice command, hotspot into the backup folder (i cant remember the exact names but you will see them)
that should do it.
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This doesn't seem to work on WinMo 6 (I'm assuming you have 5). Suggestions?

I am with T-Mobile WM6 ROM, and this tip works just fine for me.
T-mobile ROMs are slowest, but this tip give speed.
You also can use http://www.oxios.com/memory/
This tool optimize memory and make windows faster.
Like every other win restarting time to time is not a bad idea .

Lothie said:
This doesn't seem to work on WinMo 6 (I'm assuming you have 5). Suggestions?
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im using wm6.
i belive i forgot to mention to use active sync to create the folders and move the files.
total commander may be able to do it through the phone.

Unfortunately, whether I move the files on the phone or using AS, it doesn't free up any memory for me. I'm very short on memory because I'm using Good Messaging to synch my work email (works like RIM). Can't NOT use Good, and it's a memory hog AND must run from onboard memory instead of SD card, so I never have any mem.
Oh well.

The subject here is the RAM memory - more RAM is more speed for your HTC .

Oxios works fine!
Lotie, try Oxio... worked fine with my S621
BR

I use the Hibernate option in the free SmartToolkit, great.

When I sync my dash up to my computer, I can not find the Windows folder. Can anyone help me get to this please?

cah55 said:
When I sync my dash up to my computer, I can not find the Windows folder. Can anyone help me get to this please?
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check this

Orbit slows down after texting

I have had my orbit for a while and has WM6. After about 15mins or so of continuous texting the whole thing just slows down completely (takes twice as long for functions to complete including inputting letters) until I do a soft reset. At that point if I try to access like settings it comes up with out of memory or something similar. I am beginning to suspect my 8Gb microsd card. Any ideas? Btw, no other programs are running in the background

Hi,
I had the same problem. It's a file in the Windows folder that keeps growing and growing. Mine ended up to be a whopping 26 Mb and clogged the main memory. It's a file that is related to the automatic word recognition while you're writing.
Youu'll have to enter the options of the keyboard and uncheck the corresponding option. Also you can hit the button right next to this option to erase all entries. And just to make sure, search the file in the windows folder (I forgot it's name, sorry, but you'll recognize it by its size) and erase the file.
Hope I could help you.

Thanks for your reply, I've just got rid of Wm6 and downloaded one the GW rom's so it's rectified the problem! But what file are you referring to in windows folder...I've looked through it and cant find anything to do with auto word recogntion???