My touch pro2 usually works great, but from time to time becomes agonzingly slow loading programs or doing anything. This can last for quite a few minutes and means if I want to quickly use my phone for something, it takes ages or I just give up and try later when all is back to normal.
Task manager showed me when this happened the filesys.exe process was running at 30-50%. Googling this lead me to all the many pages about the compaction process on WM5+ devices. However these almost all relate to dell axims, and no one seems to be having problems with the touch pro 2.
I have searched the rhodium forum on here and can find no mention of this problem - are other TP2 users just not having this problem?
I am running pocket informant 9 and wonder if all the smaller memory writes it does when i'm using it make this problem appear more often. Am also using SPB pocket plus.
Any ideas? There is loads of free memory on the phone.
Jon
Same Here
It makes the phone extremely frustrating to use. I have found that the official TP2 6.5 ROM is woeful with it, while a Windows Mobile Power User ROM that I am running is acceptable so far.
Nice device, pity about the OS
Well, I can't see any reason why it can't be configured so any necessary compacting gets done at night when i'm not using the phone. A similar cab file was made for the dell on WM5, so i'm not sure if such a tweak exists for wm6.
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Has anyone else noticed that the memory in WM6 seems to drain as time goes on? I have tried closing all open apps through the task manager (Dash), but at the end of the day there only seems to be about 3k max of memory left? Although WM6 seems to handle programs well at low memory, I would like to see what's causing this.
Any ideas?
I've noticed after a while it fails to display the home screen. Might be related to memory so I'll check how much is free next time that happens.
mine has never failed to show the homescreen, but i use the default wm theme. i have read about others that have had the disappearing homescreen when using the windows live theme
Yeah. The leak is awful. I have deleted all kinds of stuff, but even with Oxios Close, I can't get above 10000 after half a day, and have to restart.
Might be similar to what Vista does... uses up all available memory for caching... and if more is needed, it just flushes some of the cache to fit it in.
Not a bad idea, since it speeds up frequently used programs.
i know i sound like a noob this is the first time i ever ask something like this but where did you all fine ur wm6 for ur dash thanks!!
anthoneous said:
i know i sound like a noob this is the first time i ever ask something like this but where did you all fine ur wm6 for ur dash thanks!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293846&page=5
I have also noticed this leak problem. It gets down to 4MB memory and quiting all problems using spb pocket plus does not clear any memory. Only a soft reset fixes it.
I can see how it's a good idea in terms of caching but that only seems to work until the memory gets down to 4M then any new apps running become painfully slow and sometimes the phone appears to have hung completely.
closing all apps in WM5 used to free back up to ~24MB
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I have also noticed this leak problem. It gets down to 4MB memory and quiting all problems using spb pocket plus does not clear any memory. Only a soft reset fixes it.
I can see how it's a good idea in terms of caching but that only seems to work until the memory gets down to 4M then any new apps running become painfully slow and sometimes the phone appears to have hung completely.
closing all apps in WM5 used to free back up to ~24MB
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I don't have any of the problems with painfully slow apps, even when there is no free memory. I'm pretty sure it's not a memory leak, and is just caching.
I get the same thing...
I have made it a habbit to hit back after every thing I do, it helps.
Also when you go to task manager and you want to stop programs stop them all individually then click stop all, that seems to help me a bit.
I used to get 3k free by doing stop all now i get over 9k most of the time when i stop em one by one then doing stop all.
We need to plug this leak up!!
I have the same problem with the "official" wm6 from T-Mobile. They didn't fix this issue with the official version.
leak on rogers rom
Easiest said is Ditto with the rogers wm6 rom.
My Dash suffers from serious memory leaks. Just looked at task manager (because no apps would run due to low memory) and it has just 200kb available.
I have no apps installed on the device itself.
Shutting down all programs returns just 500kb.
If I reboot the phone I get 21,000kb available, but give it time and it will all have leaked away again.
I've had many different WM smartphones and they have never done this.
A great product with buggy software
Odd... this isn't an issue on my WM6 Dash...
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My Dash suffers from serious memory leaks. Just looked at task manager (because no apps would run due to low memory) and it has just 200kb available.
I have no apps installed on the device itself.
Shutting down all programs returns just 500kb.
If I reboot the phone I get 21,000kb available, but give it time and it will all have leaked away again.
I've had many different WM smartphones and they have never done this.
A great product with buggy software
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Strange. Others are saying the same thing http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=255238&hl=memory (toward bottom of page).
I find that even if I quit all programs using task manager I am not returned to the same amount of memory as when I first boot up. Sometimes it can be as low as half or a quarter.
Guess I'm lucky. I disabled a couple things in the startup folder, MyFav and the voice recognition program, things became a lot zippier after that.
Pagemakers said:
Strange. Others are saying the same thing http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=255238&hl=memory (toward bottom of page).
I find that even if I quit all programs using task manager I am not returned to the same amount of memory as when I first boot up. Sometimes it can be as low as half or a quarter.
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ya i have the same problem ( i de-activated myfaves and voice command) and when i boot up i have about 21K of free memory. a little while later i re-check my memory and its around 18K! towards end of day, even with all programs closed through task manager, i only have about 9K left. i dunno, its ridiculous. now i always turn it off for a few minutes at night, ha but then i run the risk of getting that endless boot up loop....
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ya i have the same problem ( i de-activated myfaves and voice command) and when i boot up i have about 21K of free memory. a little while later i re-check my memory and its around 18K! towards end of day, even with all programs closed through task manager, i only have about 9K left. i dunno, its ridiculous. now i always turn it off for a few minutes at night, ha but then i run the risk of getting that endless boot up loop....
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I also have this problem. One of the reasons I don't like Windows Mobile.
I wonder if it is leaking from IE. My Temporary Internet Folder never gets higher than a few k. On WM5 this could be several megs in size.
Anyone else getting memory problem on the WM6 Dash?
Use Oxios CloseApps...it helps a little
I'm fully resolved to the fact that it's just a combination of an OS that doesn't really manage memory well combined with applications that don't really clean up after themselves well either.
So, to make it through the day, I use Oxios CloseApps throughout the day. It seems to be the best at recouping memory. It's free (bonus!) and is very simple to use. You run it and it tells you how much memory it gained back and then you hit "ok" so it closes. Easy.
I'm also fully resolved that I have to reboot my Dash 1-3 times a day depending on how intensely I'm using it.
Welcome to the world of WinCE/PPC/Windows Mobile/Windows Mobile Smartphone/WM6!
C.
Your home screen plugin can affect your memory usage as well.
I had the same problem with mine which actually led me to return it. It was actually for several reasons, but particularly I felt like I was sitting in front of an old 386 backtracking my steps making sure I don't run out of memory like in Windows 3.1.
For one, I couldn't install the software I wanted to install on it even after registry tweaks and unlocks. The memory leak got a lot worse once I upgraded to WM6. Most of the time after multi-tasking for a bit, my memory stayed around 10MB with ONE application running. If I surfed the internet for 5-10, it usually made the drain even worse by a couple more MB and I had to reboot.
What actually broke the camel's back was when I went to send an MMS to someone and the file was at 356K. No big deal, it gave me the option to resize. Yeah. The resize neverworked the way it was supposed to. It didn't matter how low I picked the options. I picked 160 X XXX with extremely low quality and it would come up with a message telling me "Your message is 356K so it cannot be sent." and plop me right out of the message and I would have to go dig for it on my card again! (Still couldn't resize it though)
I'm very good at managing memory and getting around bugs, but that was just a little too much for a cell phone. Don't get me wrong. I love the phone! I HATE the software/OS! Would've been the perfect phone had it not been for the leaks, even if I couldn't install the software I wanted to!
Wow. I'm not going mad!
They are exactly the same issues as I am having.
maruichan what was the problem like with WM5?
Memory
I'm using Fizz Monitor to really shut down the applications.
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I'm using Fizz Monitor to really shut down the applications.
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Does it help to stop the memory leaking??
Is it better than oxios?
I don't even look at the free memory- my MDA Mail never slows down or crashes no matter how small the memory gets. I used to constantly check the memory on other devices but for Smartphone it does not seem to matter as much.
When you get a 'problem' with lack of memory it is a problem, otherwise just ignore it...
I love the Dash and I like WM6 but the OS on the phone is a buggy as hell.
I have had many WM phones and apart from the MTeoR this is the buggiest yet.
1) No roaming icon.
2) Memory leaks all over the place - biggest problem.
3) Looping alarm.
4) Auto time zone update does not work correctly.
5) Buggy profiles (patch available).
6) 1 minute after first low battery warning the phone turns off.
7) Favourites don't sync correctly even using latest ActiveSync
The roaming icon is not a WM6 problem, it's the specific customization of the ROM.
Memory leaks aren't a problem if you get rid of the voice dial and MyFaves startup stuff. Also load up a good task manager and kill IE when you're not using it, as it hogs memory and won't ever let it go until you kill it.
Not sure about the low battery thing, but the favorites work fine for me... I'm using Vista though.
All issues I have never had with a WM device before.
You've never had IE take up all of your RAM? It's always done that. IE is a hog.
If you bother to notice, all but the looping alarm (which i suspect is a problem with a 3rd party app not developed by microsoft) are problems caused not by microsoft, but by the people who put together this specific build of wm6. Microsoft has no control over idiots at HTC who don't cook a ROM properly, and leave things out of the default profiles, etc.
I'm 100% sure that the Favorites thing is a problem on your end, or there would be a LOT more people yelling about it than just you.
Here fellows,
Memory leakage is an issue already known from us all.
In all roms that I've tried until now, soon or later that issue comes up. I haven't understood right why it happens...
It's strange that some of us have and others don't...which lead me to think that it could be a hardware issue....
However, it's strange why it happens. I haven't found yet which application provokes it...
This is the reason why I've created this thread: To discuss/share our experiences, and figure our a pattern. It could happen that we find the reason, and it would help our cookers to solve the problem once and for all...
Please give us your thoughts
Well then there is a prime canidate Explorer, ever tried using the program for more than 10 minutes the whole phone then grind to a halt as the memory is used up.
One soloution seems to be to move the internet cache to the memory card or indeed disable the cache altogether..
The only way I found to do this was to Use Schaps Advance Configuration Tool.
Thats the only problem with memory I have come across.. even my GPS programs work fine only problems seem to be round the official MS crap...
Some people gets it and some people don't because everyone uses different applications... not necessarily hardware issues
SPB software, as good as they are, is quite well known for creating memory leaks.
Generally the HTC Home plugin is also a memory leakage issue, if you try to deactivate it on your roms, you will see that the available memory will remain in good levels around the 20mb region, once you activate it, by the end of the day and depending on the usage you do, it often drops the memory down to 14mb, unable to use a navigation programm or any other memory consuming programms leading in that way to a compulsory soft reset!!!
Ask therefore the people with Kaiser, do they experience the same problem with their devices???? The solution is around the HTC HOME I believe...
Mem leak
The memory leak problem is inherent in WM6, and not due to any particular application that uses that OS.
there is a very simple way to troubleshoot this
Test 1: Reboot the phone, check memory, leave it unused for 24 hours, then check memory and compare
Test 2: Reboot the phone, check memory, leave it on for 24 hours, while only calling, not using any other feature
Test 3: and so forth
In other words, only use 1 app for 24 hours, this way you can easily find which programs leak memory
Although it seems like internet explorer steals all the ram it actually doesnt, it seems to return the ram after 15+ minutes (so when i check ram some time later it will be back to +/- 20mb)
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The memory leak problem is inherent in WM6, and not due to any particular application that uses that OS.
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Let's call this BULL ****!
bepe 0.77 is steady as a rock on it's memory usage.
I was already suspicious about HTC home...that it could be the reason...However, I find it strange...Because I installed also AX3L rom, which doesn't have HTC Home, and I had rom leakage also...
If Bepe rom 0.77 is stable, then it would be good to know what it has so different from his other roms....
Who knows if the solution isn't right in front of our eyes, and we just haven't seen it yet...?....
Bye
s1rl4ncel0t said:
Who knows if the solution isn't right in front of our eyes, and we just haven't seen it yet...?....
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Read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1537977&postcount=943
Maybe is resetting, flashing, etc. not the right thing to do. After awhile it look like bepe 0.79 light gives memory back.
I've disabled HTC home, but not because of the memory leakage. I've disabled it because it goes into vibrate on appointments which are set te FREE time (not only busy).
Probably there's a registry key that defines how long it takes to the operating system to release the the used memory...
Even without anything running only the memory meter in the setting after 5 minutes or so you will notice less memory is available, I have noticed that HTC Home Plugin seems to leak too..
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The memory leak problem is inherent in WM6, and not due to any particular application that uses that OS.
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The only rom I haven't used is bepe's and the memory leakage occurs on any of them (indigo,axels,pdavanet,mary's,Lwsw, mun's ...) I now returned to wm5 and I always have at least 20MB free even after 2-3 days of usage, I do use the exact same programs that while using on wm6, my ram dropped even to 16MB free
===============UPDATE==============
The application was the SPB Fullscreen Keyboard v4.11 that was the culprit, verified over 3 hard resets that this is the offending program.
I hope this saves anyone else from going through the grief I have suffered. I completely forgot to include it on my list below so I am glad I had the patience to test one more time. (I ussualy forget to install it, then go to txt message or something and install it).
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I am pretty much at wits end here and am preparing to return this huge lump of crap to the store. It seems that if I install "pretty much anything" and NOT use the touch-flo garbage... the phone will work great.... until i need or want to soft-reset it....
then the logo comes up, the ROM/RADIO numbers, and then the screen turns black, to never come on again.
Having worked for Sprint for 5 years, and moreover having built my own custom roms at PPCGeeks for 2 years I feel that I have a pretty good grip on the ins & outs of windows mobile.
I have NO clue what is going on with this phone.
I have three of them in my possession. It happens on all three.
I install each application, ONE-AT-A-TIME, soft reset after every single install, its fine. I wait a day or so, soft reset... SURPRISE you gotta redo your phone.
I have narrowed it down to a few programs that *may* be the cause of my irritation...
-Phonealarm (overrides the notifications...???)
-Ptravelalarm (and three other alarm programs) notification flaw???
-Memmaid (deals with notifications...???)
I dont expect anyone to know the answer, maybe someone else is having this issue (i hate Touch-Flo) and is trying to install programs to make the handset usable from the today-screen.
I am going to list my installed programs, and maybe, just maybe, someone smarter than myself can pinpoint the culprit.
-batti 2.4
-calendar plus
-sbp fullscreen keyboard 4.11
-google maps 3.21 (never GPS locks btw)
-iContact 95
-phonealarm 2.30
-pTravelalarm 2.81
-Resco File Explorer 7.05
-rlToday v22b
Thats it, thats all i use on my phone, im a creature of simplicity. On the todayscreen i have phonealarm, rltoday, ptravelalarm, calander+
I went to the forums for both phonealarm & memmaid, and there doesnt seem to be any threads with my issue. ptravelalarm has no support, but I have tried g-alarm, gsalarm & poweralarm, and they all seem to fail as well.
Again I cant narrow it down to a single application because after an install and reset it works fine. Its like "after the program simmers" that it wants to "Black-Screen" the phone.
I am 100% sure that a custom ROM will alleviate all of my issues as I am using all of those programs on a 6800 and a 6900, with WM 6.1 & WM 6.5 respectively.
They even work on the stock roms for both handsets....
Any ideas? How far out is the HARD-SPL? I have about 3 weeks left before I have to return these things.
Thank you for reading, and any help that may be forthcoming.
I'm having the exact same issue, it's very frustrating to pay $400+ for a phone only to have it blackscreen of death you every time you try to boot it up. Touchflo seems nice but it just adds extra button presses to what should be straightforward tasks. I hope things turn around but right now I'm not impressed.