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HTC Phones: Do they Really Work???

I've owned a couple of these HTC phones, formerly a Cingular/Siemens SX66, and also a small one by Audiovox...can't remember model but WM based, now got a Tmobile Dash.
All based on Windows Mobile, and my question is: HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
In the Forums I read nothing but problems, my experience's not good either. My first SX66 was defective, the replace froze way too often/needed reset (WM froze, CONNECTIVITY was POOR as it was on the Audiovox (I threw it against the wall and smashed to pieces) and STILL IS on the Dash..maybe not as BAD
I want to install a new language support on the Dash....doesn't seem to be possible
I "upgraded" to WM6 but I think I actually lost rather than gained in terms of versatility features and feel...
I'm thinkin of gettin a TyTn....but is it worth the aggravations and headaches, since I'm going to need to unlock and most likely extra language support for text messaging.....Is it possible to Add???
INPUT/OPINIONS WELCOME
THANKS

Sounds like you'd be happier with a iPhone...

Probably I'd be happier....
with an iPhone...if it was a 3rd Gen but still lags behind
BTW in the list I forgot to include the Treo 750....another flop...I've had it for some time and it's a waste

Just out of curiousity, what are you expecting from your phone? So far the dash has handled a lot of what I threw at it.
And yes, HTC phones work...at least as well as WM6 lets them.

I would recommend a title change for this thread. The question "do they really work" is a really stupid one.

ReverseImage said:
I've owned a couple of these HTC phones, formerly a Cingular/Siemens SX66, and also a small one by Audiovox...can't remember model but WM based, now got a Tmobile Dash.
All based on Windows Mobile, and my question is: HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
In the Forums I read nothing but problems, my experience's not good either. My first SX66 was defective, the replace froze way too often/needed reset (WM froze, CONNECTIVITY was POOR as it was on the Audiovox (I threw it against the wall and smashed to pieces) and STILL IS on the Dash..maybe not as BAD
I want to install a new language support on the Dash....doesn't seem to be possible
I "upgraded" to WM6 but I think I actually lost rather than gained in terms of versatility features and feel...
I'm thinkin of gettin a TyTn....but is it worth the aggravations and headaches, since I'm going to need to unlock and most likely extra language support for text messaging.....Is it possible to Add???
INPUT/OPINIONS WELCOME
THANKS
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Of course you're only going to hear about problems on forums, that's what they're there for: to find answers to your problems. People don't normally spend time praising something they own, there's no need for it.
As far as HTC goes, I have been pretty happy with my Dash. After getting all the nuisances tweaked, I can't picture the phone being much better.
PS - **** the iPhone. Worst device I have ever used.
PPS - I agree with changing the title of this thread. It is silly.

perhaps this is more the OP's speed?

I wouldn't get a Tytn.
I was so happy changing from a tytn to the Excalibur. There's still problems with the stability of WM professional vs WM standard.
Standard seems more robust and usable as a phone.
Also 3G on the tytn although is nice drains the battery.
I used to change phones every six months. The tytn only lasted 3 months before I was fedup with it. The excalibur is a phone which might actually be used for the full 2 year contract.

Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
Best Wishes

ReverseImage said:
HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
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Nope.
This is why there is a dedicated website, forum, community, etc revolving around them.
I'm a huge fan of the Elmo walkie talkie myself.
-Mc

Choose something non-HTC for yourself, this forum will thank you
ReverseImage said:
Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
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In Short: Yes they do work
But I have had a HTC Blue Angel (SX66), Faraday (2125), Tornado (sp5m), Wizard (8125), Tytn (8525), Excalibur (dash), Treo 750, Star Trek (8500), Vox (s710), Cavalier (c730). All phone have some issues, but I can tell you seriously they work better than any other phone on the market. And you shouldnt be worried that people complain about them you should be excited that these phones give you the freedom to log onto a website like this in order to solve problems instead of just complain.
I had my cavalier for a month before all of a sudden I just upgraded it with full youtube integration because of this website.
Be happy you have a phone that gives you the ultimate ability to do everything.
Plus HTC knows how to make a phone teh sexy

ReverseImage said:
Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
Best Wishes
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If your computer freezes or gets blue screens it's 90% of the time your hardware that fails. And if you are so unhappy about windows xp then I suggest you use linux..see what you can make of that.
As far as i'm consurned the Windows mobile phones are quite customizeable as long as you have some sense of what you are doing.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

Saw my first TP2 owner other than myself today: She was 16, I almost wanted to cry

What a waste.
Ugh.

rorytmeadows said:
What a waste.
Ugh.
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Why is that a waste?
I'm seventeen and I own a TP2.

i see people with TP2/tilt2's all the time.
A girl i know used to have one but she switched to BlackBerry because it was too slow/buggy for her. She was running stock rom and i didn't have time to flash it for her.

I saw a girl with Sprint Touch Pro2 while I was waiting to be seated at a steakhouse. Her phone had the stock UI, and much to my surprise it looked quite speedy compared to my tricked out Tilt2 with 2.5 manila ....

Should not have that attitude, I feel happy that young people have Rhodium´s
That means this great device is not only for buisness people

I'm 16 and I have a Rhodium (but I'm a male...)!
I haven't seen anyone else here in the SF Bay Area with a TP2. I keep seeing stupid little Sidekicks (some girls are now switching to the G1; one of my friends says she doesn't want the MyTouch3G because there's no keyboard)...and iPhones.

orb3000 said:
That means this great device is not only for buisness people
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I'm not sure that they really for business people. My misses dad lives in the Middle East and is regional president for a large multi national engineering company and they won't support the TP2. Blackberry's the one.
However, saying that my misses has a horse and at the yard where she keeps it all the 12yr old girls have blackberries. She asked one why and the reply came "I just like them, I've always liked them".
Maybe her school's got an Exchange Server lol

dik23 said:
I'm not sure that they really for business people. My misses dad lives in the Middle East and is regional president for a large multi national engineering company and they won't support the TP2. Blackberry's the one.
However, saying that my misses has a horse and at the yard where she keeps it all the 12yr old girls have blackberries. She asked one why and the reply came "I just like them, I've always liked them".
Maybe her school's got an Exchange Server lol
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rotfl lmao! wow htc is an awesome country but you gotta understand kids only like what they see and if they are not seeing htc....then they wont like it. they gotta see their mentors or teen idols have it. i used to be a treo guy. 650 thru 800w....i cant see myself leaving tp2. but hey what would i do with my free time if a phone did everything i wanted out of the box?

Haha. Same here. I was going out, and was like aight time to show chicks the master phone Touch Pro 2...
"hey I have that one also"
...damnit!

I didn't mean to focus solely on the age thing. But you youngins are probably tweaking the **** out of your phones. I don't want a 16 year old girl getting my phone and just using it to text her ditzy friends with one of the best WinMo phones ever (so far). She should have an iPhone with stick-on bling.
I like that the TP2 is an adult phone!!!

rorytmeadows said:
I didn't mean to focus solely on the age thing. But you youngins are probably tweaking the **** out of your phones. I don't want a 16 year old girl getting my phone and just using it to text her ditzy friends with one of the best WinMo phones ever (so far). She should have an iPhone with stick-on bling.
I like that the TP2 is an adult phone!!!
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Oh, okay. I understand what you're talking about.
I know how you feel...I see (though rarely) people at school with 'old' WM phones like the HTC Raphael and I saw someone with an Omnia. I also see a lot of Android phones now...It does seem like a waste seeing these people getting $500 phones solely to look cool with a touch screen phone and texting people.
I even have a friend, who used to own a T-Mo Dash3G, and he never even knew he could edit Word Docs on his phone! He now has an iPhone 3Gs!
Well, we just have to tolerate it...at least we know our phones are appealing to many people. Besides, it's their money!

sumflipnol said:
Oh, okay. I understand what you're talking about.
I know how you feel...I see (though rarely) people at school with 'old' WM phones like the HTC Raphael and I saw someone with an Omnia. I also see a lot of Android phones now...It does seem like a waste seeing these people getting $500 phones solely to look cool with a touch screen phone and texting people.
I even have a friend, who used to own a T-Mo Dash3G, and he never even knew he could edit Word Docs on his phone! He now has an iPhone 3Gs!
Well, we just have to tolerate it...at least we know our phones are appealing to many people. Besides, it's their money!
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Do I know I can edit a Word doc? Sure. Would I ever? Not a chance
But it sounds like your friend found a phone fitting him.

I dont know what defines as an adult phone. I have a Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2 and iPhone 3G, i feel as much of an adult with any of these phones.
I know alot of young people like to show off their new phones to friends and stuff, however I believe adults somewhat do the same as well. If you dont care about the aesthetics of a phone (HD2, TP2, iPhone, Moto Droid are good looking phones)), then you'd just get a blackberry strictly for business use.

haha that's kind of funny, I have a hard time thinking about someone getting this just to use everything stock. I'm only 15 and the main reason i got this was because of all the things i could do to tweak it and make it a lot more cool. Don't feel too bad about young people owning this phone, I wouldn't if I were you. Nowadays a lot younger crowd is able to grip to these smartphones, nothing wrong with that.

lol Adult phone. What is an adult anyway ? I once read that to truly be an adult both your parents have to be dead.
Anyway, what's the difference between some 15yr old with a TP2 and most owners of desktop PCs? Neither uses the machine to anywhere near it's full potential. I mean do you really need that monster quad core for writing emails and .docs ? Me thinks not !
It's not about what people need, it's about what they want. And that's where marketing comes into play

LOL.... Totally know what you mean.
It must have blown your mind to see another TP2 owner, let alone a 16 year old girl with it.
Not exactly the demographic HTC was targetting, but it's cool that 'regular' people are starting to take notice of HTC's PRO series products.

hmpf. Only 2 people out of like hundreds have recognised my phone. Most people are like "is that an iPhone"... I have never been so insulted.

I too feel a certain level of insult when someone mistakes my TP2 for an iPhone. I'm always like, "No man this isnt a toy it's the tilt2 aka TP2 aka current god of cell phones!" You hand it to them and laugh as they stumble through the menus never truly appreciating the TP2 for its worth only to hand it back and say, "Oh it's nice but I like iphones." Makes me want to give them the heavy hand of justice every time

bigjezza said:
hmpf. Only 2 people out of like hundreds have recognised my phone. Most people are like "is that an iPhone"... I have never been so insulted.
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I growl and say NO it is NOT a sheep phone. And yes, I say that. And yes, they get offended.

khaytsus said:
I growl and say NO it is NOT a sheep phone. And yes, I say that. And yes, they get offended.
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I get that a bunch too...I just shake my head and laugh and look at them like they just asked me if it could call unicorns and then just slowly walk away, still shaking my head lol

If you were "normal"...

We all know that most, if not all the people, on this forum are "abnormal". We use our phones in ways that most people do not, and we expect/demand features and capabilities that most people do not use or don't care much about.
My simple question is, if you were "normal", if you forget all those extraordinary demands and ways you use your phone, would Windows Phone 7 Series appeal to you?
Feel free to leave a response as to why you answer as you do.

I guess if I were a "normal" person I'd have likes WP7S.. the reason is that, when I got my first WM phone.. it took me about 2 weeks to get everything going (I was a symbian user before).. for me, I could use all the functions of the phone.. but if I gave it to one of my "normal" friends he can't even get access to the music player, they didn't know what the start button was.. I mean let's face WM is complicated for someone who haven't used it before.. but look at the iPhone.. all so plain and is like "click on the program, do what you want, press the home button".. anyone one can use it from the first time.. WP7S is easy to use and that's what is gonna to get it a big market share with the "normal" people..

Experimented...
I did a 15 minutes demo to my girlfriend (not tech savvy at all) to present her the general concepts and behaviors with the unlocked emulator. She liked what she saw a lot. She mostly liked the apparent ease of use and the overall appearance (metro).

I think the iPhone brand is far too entrenched in an mass-market and ordinary consumer's mind by now. That's the biggest huddle for MS to overcome. It might be through very clever marketing campaign as well as to sell WP7S extremely cheaply to appeal to the more budget conscious consumer, or by other method. Likelihood is, by now, every many "normal" consumer will have at least a few friends with iPhone/iPod Touch and they might also have briefly played with these devices and love what they see in iPhone/iPod Touch, which has achieved such incredibly high level of smoothness, user friendliness, and versatility (arising from the fact that you can find applications for almost anything under the sun by now). Among my friends, those who do not already own a smartphone all talk only about iPhone if they're going to get one. They have not even heard of WP7S up to now, if they're "normal". So, ya, lots of work to be done to get them, IMO.

I've shown the thing to my wife, non-tech-savvy colleagues, and my 4 year old daughter (not a target audience, but she uses her mom's iPhone easily). I haven't encountered a single person who wouldn't like it. Many say "wow, that's cool".

I tried to show my girlfriend it and she called me a nerd, but that doesn't matter because I like it anyway.

If I was "Normal" I would not even know about WM7 yet, there has been not official advertising or releases that would be mainstream visible.
When it was finally advertised i would see it in the same light as iPod vs Zune. And we all know who won that.
So, if I was going to go for any device it would be the iPhone, but as a normal person it would be more than I needed so I would likely stick with whatever came free with my plan.
Thank god I am not normal.

No, realy not
If I'm a normal, I'll not go to M$ anymore
Nokia for stability, or if I need an advanced one (as a normal) I'll go to IPHONE
but Microsoft, never ever
The WM6.xx is the best OS ever for business and truly advanced users.

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I guess if I were a "normal" person I'd have likes WP7S.. the reason is that, when I got my first WM phone.. it took me about 2 weeks to get everything going (I was a symbian user before).. for me, I could use all the functions of the phone.. but if I gave it to one of my "normal" friends he can't even get access to the music player, they didn't know what the start button was.. I mean let's face WM is complicated for someone who haven't used it before.. but look at the iPhone.. all so plain and is like "click on the program, do what you want, press the home button".. anyone one can use it from the first time.. WP7S is easy to use and that's what is gonna to get it a big market share with the "normal" people..
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i know here most people either use a nokia phone or the iphone.

y b normal?

If I were "normal" I had a nokia/samsung/whatever dumb phone. actually I even had such a phone before I got myself a Topaz.

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I tried to show my girlfriend it and she called me a nerd, but that doesn't matter because I like it anyway.
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Haha. Exactly the same here!
"Why are you showing me this - it's not even a real phone yet"
In all honestly, I think the majority of "normal" people will like it (I like the sexyness of it) - though there will always be those that don't!

I don't think WP7 will ever appeal to me! It's simply not a nice OS to look at. Just wait and see, Microsoft will still stay at the same spot. Don't expect them to make a leap forward with this WP7.

The whole premise of this thread is the issue.
There is no "normal user". There are only 3-4 big os right now and the fact is, anyone can like anything. The innovators tell us what we like in accordance to their discoveries and business model.
To contribute fully though. I would be like, "why does this look like my zune?" and I think I would be a little pissed. I think a normal person wouldn't mind some USB mass storage either.

Moved to WP7 Q&A as D&H is the wrong place for this thread

Goodbye Windows Mobile... Hello Android

Retiring my TP2 today. Just had to get that out of my system.
Signed,
Another unsatisfied customer.

Quitter.

You are darn right I am a quitter! And proud of it! I just can't believe I lasted this long.

lame. though i would love an android phone with the form factor of the tp2. the keyboard and tilty screen has made every iphone user i know impossibly jealous. but its not a phone i can recommend because of windows mobile. windows mobile works well, with a custom rom, registry hacks, and custom installed programs. android is just easier out of the box. i look forward to htc releasing an android phone with a good slide out keyboard.

Nobody can blame you for leaving this device. You're the third person who's posted a thread about abandoning the Rhodium, and I doubt you're the last. I'm personally holding out for the HTC Vision and it's beautiful looking QWERTY, but there are so many great options out there it's extremely tempting just to sell my Rhodium on eBay and buy a Desire or some other decent phone right now.

Yeah dude I was originally going to hold out for that HTC Vision also, but I just can't take it any longer. Flashing custom WM ROM's and installing certain cabs and reloading all my tweeks and stuff is just too time consuming. Holy cow do I waste a lot of time reading xda! When you see how fluid some other devices are out there, at some time you have to ask yourself what the point of all this is? There is nothing WM can do that Andoid can not do and better (for me that is). I have tremendous respect for the developers on this site but I think WM is a dying breed. The TP2 should not have been as crippled as it is either.

I dunno, I have to wonder if there's a big difference between your TP2 and my Tilt 2 because I am having very few issues with mine even after modding the hell out of the stock ROM (no compelling reason to go to a cooked one yet). Yeah, WinMo has its issues, but I've been using it since WM2003 on a Viewsonic PDA, so I'm pretty familiar with it. My Tilt 2 does everything I need it to, much like My Incite did. The only reason I upgraded was because I needed a larger screen for my failing eyes. Anyway, I was just ribbing you. I might go to an Android at some point, but for now, my Tilt 2 has me covered. The honeymoon isn't quite over just yet.

I left the party and went over to Android. For me, it was more of a preemptive thing -- WP7 is an abhorrent POS and while I probably would have stuck around if a 4.3" device with WinMo 6.5 was being released, it looks like the TP2 is all she wrote for WinMo.
XDA was absolutely crucial to my being able to use and enjoy my TP2. But I don't have to live with buggy software anymore (actually, the things I got from XDA were stable, but the commercial products were certainly not).
If anyone is interested, Sprint in coming out with the Samsung Epic, a 4" SAMOLED 4G Android device with a slide out keyboard. But I've moved on to the Evo. I've coveted the HD2 and its Snapdragon processor and 4.3" screen for ages.
In the end, MS finally killed whatever enthusiasm I had for the platform.

You know I tried everything. I too modded the stock and still this thing lagged. The best I could do was cooked ROMs but still it was one thing after another that just got me to the point where I was milliseconds away from shattering my phone into a thousand pieces for some gratitude. Talk about rage! I honestly think I have worn out the reset button. And as far as WP7, give me a break. I can't believe that Microsoft is so far behind the game and now they are trying to reinvent the wheel. Cell phones and cell phone technology are a crazy booming and growing business. It's sad when a technology company tries to reverse engineer something because in this day and age by this time it's just too late.

tbh ever since Android came out, i always wanted one but since it started hitting the market, every damn person i know has an Android and it ticks me off because it totally reminds me of how iPhone got all popular, now Android is in that stage, teens are having the Droid incredible, EVO 4Gs its insane because i bet you 95% of them dont even know how to operate it, thats why right now im sticking to my roots by staying with WM because no one knows what the heck it is(except XDA ), i rather have something different from the crowd.....i started with WM and ill hang on to WM until the whole WM thing just dies which probably wont happen for awhile you never know

man thats a tiny slide out keyboard on the vision. im not so sure about that one.

If different is what you are going for then I say stick to WM. Personally for me, I need function and ease of use. To me, Microsoft is their own worst enemy for not delivering without making us spend hours on xda fixing their mistakes. Although it can be fun here on xda, it can be really frustrating as well.

To me, WinMo seems designed by the same people that design the desktop platform and not by people who actually use it every day. Too many things that just don't make sense (but easily fixed by others, fortunately). I think M$ needs to hire a few XDA developers and put them into the development cycle for WinMo. If WinMo 7 isn't a significant improvement it will be the last WinMo version because once the phone manufacturers stop supporting it in favor of Droid and others, death will be imminent.

And when you see Microsoft developing apps for iPhone and Android yet still plug away at their own software ala "Kin the spectacular failure" I can't help but be embarassed to be a part of this. Playing catchup in the tech world is just plain silly to me. Here is an article about it posted 3 days ago:
http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/...developers-to-catch-up-to-iphone-and-android/

Don't know if everyone's already seen this:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7-dont-bother-disaster-211

"The developers at Mobile Beat quickly recognized the labor-intensity of this UI method and one asked the Microsoft rep if anyone had bothered to test it with users. The answer was essentially "no" -- a scary thought indeed."
Sounds just like what I said earlier.

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Don't know if everyone's already seen this:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7-dont-bother-disaster-211
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Then, be sure to read this as well.

I dunno, maybe it's because I've been using WinMo since 2003 but I'm comfortable with it. The biggest problem is there are still remnants in the 6.x versions being used on phones from when it was ported from PDAs back with version 5. Too much stuff designed for a stylus and not a finger. Another problem is that WinMo is not designed for idiots like iPhone users who have no concept of the level of customization that WinMo allows. I like that I have to be more knowledgeable to get the most out of my WinMo phone. It means I can more readily identify when something doesn't work right and why and fix it myself. I also love that I can make my phone more personal and not look like anyone elses. Every iPhone I've ever played around on, with the exception of what apps were on it, was identical to every other one in looks and function. Maybe this is OK for those with limited ability to mod their own phone, but I'm a tinkerer by nature and it would drive me crazy. Been modding my phone since my first RAZR way back in 2006 and wouldn't have it any other way.
I also like that I'm not tied to any one company for apps. For all the complaints I hear about so few developers writing for WinMo I have yet to not find an app for my needs. In fact, there are usually about 4-5 apps that do the same thing and almost always at least one is free. Sure, some are crap, but choice is a good thing. Certainly much better than limits.
I love my Windows Mobile phone and if WP7 improves on it even just a little, I'll probably stick with it.

Personally, I am really liking my WinMo 6.5 tilt 2. Yes, it has a cooked ROM and a few other tweaks, but so did my iphone that I had before this Tilt2. IMHO, as far as useability, and business is concerned, the Tilt2 is all business and not so much a toy (which is what I look for in a phone, since I run a home business from it.).
Scott

I think anybody who has taken the time to flash a custom rom for themselves here can be considered a power user. Everybody on this board wants more than the next guy. But what do you do when you've been let down and this place just isn't enough anymore? I have had Windows CE devices since 2002 and as silly as this sounds, my favorite device was my old T-mobile MDA with WM 5.0. Why? Because it worked. Now I realize that we are trying to do a lot more with our devices, but even simple tasks like text messaging and the actual phone part seems to get worse with each new OS. When I watch the videos for WP7 I am very let down. Customization is key to the MS fanbase. So the things that I would like are either getting worse or going away. Why MS didn't just turn over the whole program to XDA is a real mystery isn't it? Since I honestly think that we are the only ones who really care.

What do you think of WP7

What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?

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What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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Please not another thread like that. -_-

Yes, it will only create some troubles....
Most people here are not ready to criticize or judge WP7 honestly anyway. So what do you expect?

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What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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yes you will regret it , if you still want these features :
1- Bluetooth file transfer
2- ability to make folder
3 - icon view
4- rooting device
5- backing up ROM
6- backing up apps
7- much much more free apps and games
8- if you google around , you find paid apps for free
9- widgets
and alot more , but these are the most important features that are missing in WP7
If you think I helped , please hit thanks

...and decent storage (i mean more than 8 or 16Gb)
...and ability to read DivX|Avi movies (without wasting your time converting them )
...and USB mass storage
...and ability to download files from the IE browser
...and ability to select and send PDF files
...or ability to edit forwarded emails
...or if ever you like the Swype keyboard

arturobandini said:
Yes, it will only create some troubles....
Most people here are not ready to criticize or judge WP7 honestly anyway. So what do you expect?
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Who said? Most sane WP7 users can acknowledge its not perfect but why is it this forum is filled mainly with threads criticizing WP7, mostly from people who dont use it? If they dont like it, why not post in forums of the OS they do like?
Thats the problem, this thread will be filled with posts by the usual haters spouting the same BS. By this time, 1 year later, shouldnt they have moved on to the platform that suits them? Yet any good point of WP7 is shouted down and discarded. You say people here arent ready to judge WP7 honestly, the haters are just as guilty of not being able to be honest and admit any positive in WP7.
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arturobandini said:
...and decent storage (i mean more than 8 or 16Gb)
...and ability to read DivX|Avi movies (without wasting your time converting them )
...and USB mass storage
...and ability to download files from the IE browser
...and ability to select and send PDF files
...or ability to edit forwarded emails
...or if ever you like the Swype keyboard
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I rest my case.

Why are people keep comparing a 5+ yr old OS to a 1 yr OS is beyond me. We all know WP still have some growing to do. The rate it's growing is alot faster than we all anticipated.

I didn't mean to start any trouble... I really am just curious. I read a lot on engaget of windows 7 phones being efficient. My main question is what I want to do. I guess I'll stick to android and get the prime, and in 2 years rethink my options.

nevermind................

GManLynx said:
What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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agree with dkp1977...What an another troll-bait thread.
LOL,please close this thread man....there are dozens of similar thread out there.

lol..."troll bait"
Listen, I'm a former Windows Mobile user who can shed some light. When my HTC Tilt got long in the tooth, I spent some time on borrowed Android devices. My theory was that the new Windows Phone 7 would be too locked down, too much like the iPhone, and that I'd be moving to Android instead. I loved to tinker and try to get as much out of my Windows Mobile device as possible, so figured I'd want something more powerful.
I mostly tinkered on an HTC Aria, which probably isn't a great comparison being a budget Android device, but I was modestly impressed. It honestly felt somewhat like an upgraded Windows Mobile device. Flexible, lots of options, etc.
When I was finally ready to upgrade, my wife was pregnant and I had a second job. I found myself without time to flash ROMs to my Windows Mobile device, and so I'd be stuck on a ROM I was dissatisfied with for weeks before having time to sit down and flash another one. When things didn't work on my Windows Mobile device, I would get frustrated and give up. I had stopped surfing, tinkering, installing, customizing, flashing...in other words, I started to use my HTC Tilt as a phone only, and maybe for light text messaging.
As such, I decided on a WP7 instead of Android. Boy oh boy oh boy do I NOT regret that decision. I have never ONCE looked back, and pity the fella who is still on his HTC Aria that I had borrowed. I have a dozen different hotmail accounts (because they allow custom domains and I run some businesses) and an exchange account, and they work flawlessly. The integration of contacts, calendar, messaging, mail...it's beyond helpful. I don't have to start a Facebook app, a search app, a navigation app. I can just talk to my phone to perform a search of any kind, and the browsing experience is top-notch. Facebook is right there, "merging" duplicate contacts is a joy, and I've found just about every app I think I'd ever need (granted, I moved from Windows Mobile, so it's not like I'm missing an app I ever had on another device).
Bottom line for me: if I were still a tinkerer, I may have gone with Android and would recommend Android to tinkerers (although you can definitely tinker with a WP7, if you wanted to). However, if you find yourself too busy for tinkering or just want more out of life than staring at a 4" screen and making an OS look and work the way you want, get the Windows Phone. If you want a robust smartphone that just works well, performs so many tasks natively that you really don't care about your app count, doesn't even need customizing because it looks great and performs well, get a Windows Phone.
Not only have I not looked back, but I have converted fully 5 non-techie people to Windows Phone with a sixth (the Aria fella) well on the way!
PS: My mom, unfortunately, snagged an Android device (not sure the name, but it's T-Mobile 4"-ish Samsung device) because the salesperson told her that "Android has millions of apps and Windows Phone has hardly any, and apps are what matter." I could wring that little egghead's neck, because now I'm constantly getting calls from my Mom asking how to do things on her phone, and telling me she "hates this thing" and is "confused."

I just don't know why people who genuinely hate the OS continue to come to this section... I went from WinMo, to Android, used an iPhone for a while as well, and can tell you that WinPhone is the best there is, especially at its young age. These people who want to own a phone to have to flash it weekly, or daily, can keep their Androids.

Windows phone 7.5 is great phone os. Is a nice looking os with few great built in features but is not a smartphone. I am using lg otimus 7 and i haven't any problems. Very solid and stable... And i love it... But i find my self using my 7inch Android tablet instead of my phone all the time. If someone wants a phone that can check emails and listen music wp7 is great. But if you want a mobile Internet device that can make phone calls wp7 is not an option.

Thanks your guy's insight. and you can tell i'm not a troll due to the fact if you look at my other topics started, I'm switching to verizon soon.
On the side note, for you wp7 people, do you guys go here for all your needs? like when I had an iphone i went to blah blah site, android is xda.
And I do flash A LOT. I almost wnat to break the habit. I liked cydia back on the iphone, I want the OS to be perfect, but if the apps arent, I want to fix that (thats what jailbreakign did me for the iphone)
I guess the main problem with windows 7 phones for me right now are:
No LTE? why not. If I'm going to Verizon shouldn't I get a LTE phone?
Pros:
I feel that it will give me "my life back". I'm not addicted to flashing phones, but it definately sucks that I probably send 30 mintes - hour a day scanning these forums about stuff and specs baout the "newest" phone. I see that wp7 phones aren't realized every 3 months, causing you not to regret your purchase.
Another question I have for the people who follow WP7 phones is, when are they going to release a new one for Verizon? Or ATT. But I think we are going to switch to Verizon.

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Windows phone 7.5 is great phone os. Is a nice looking os with few great built in features but is not a smartphone. I am using lg otimus 7 and i haven't any problems. Very solid and stable... And i love it... But i find my self using my 7inch Android tablet instead of my phone all the time. If someone wants a phone that can check emails and listen music wp7 is great. But if you want a mobile Internet device that can make phone calls wp7 is not an option.
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What do you mean by making phone calls and browse the internet? Are you saying the browse cause it doesn't have 4g?
And phone calls: why is that?

All I can say is I moved from WinMo-Android-WP7-Android.
You will read alot of bull**** here about Android by WP7 maniacs btw.
I am one of those who wanted to use MS latest platform but discovered it's really not for me. Because even if the concept is really good and different, it's very limiting.
I wait to make my final judgement once I upgrade to Mango.
I think WP7 is perfect entry level OS, for people who are not crazy about the most advanced features. For less "business" or "pro" users it's perfect. It's for youngsters and people who don't need much but like reliability and simplicity.
Otherwise stay with Android because it's ahead in every regard.
So ask yourself why do you want to switch and what you expect from your future device.

@doministry: Moved to Android, yet still in the windows phone forums? Interesting.
I love these threads, though. They all end up the same in the end.
What most of us simpletons here, who are unable to fathom the depths of the advanced, Skynet-like Android, like about Windows Phone is that it's something new, something fresh. It's not the same ol' same ol' we've been accustom to from iphone and Android. Not that either of those two are bad. Actually, the opposite.
But, there's not really anything new there per se. Microsoft decided to go against the "Tried and True" and do something different. We will see in the long run if this pays off. But, every now and again, something comes along and changes our perceptions on what should be, the status quo as it were.
You ask about coming here for all your info. Well, come here in addition to going elsewhere. The problem here is that most are nerds and geeks thus they dig into things that most others wouldn't. Not many people care if you can reroute power from your phone to the dilithium crystals, and bleed some of that power out through the main deflector array. See? Nerd.
But, here at xda, if your phone doesn't do that then it's a failure. Let me clarify that. It's a failure to the Android fans whose phones are the best thing since Bell called Watson from the next room. There are actually quite a few of us that appreciate what Windows Phone has to offer, how far it's come, and how far it can potentially go.
Stick around for awhile though and you will find those who are quite informative and constructive. But, you'll also find those who come into every thread like this to tell you how much they dislike/hate/loathe/want to vomit on windows phone. Strangely, like moths to a flame, however, they continue to be drawn here. Which leaves me confused and makes me cry inside.

I am getting sick of that android fanboyism. I just want that forum section android free but no, in nearly every thread there are some people who have an android device and start to post negative things about WP7.
To the android using guys: In this section there are people who DON'T like android or other OS's for a reason!! So why the hell do you have the need to post your biased crap in here? I really don't understand this. Why don't you accept that some people like me like WP7? WHY???
You will read alot of bull**** here about Android by WP7 maniacs btw.
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The other way round is even worse, you may notice....

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I am getting sick of that android fanboyism. I just want that forum section android free but no, in nearly every thread there are some people who have an android device and start to post negative things about WP7.
To the android using guys: In this section there are people who DON'T like android or other OS's for a reason!! So why the hell do you have the need to post your biased crap in here? I really don't understand this. Why don't you accept that some people like me like WP7? WHY???
The other way round is even worse, you may notice....
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In Android thread I am visiting there are tons of people who don't like it and it's not a problem for anyone really.
The other way round is not worse.
The scheme is like this:
WP7 lovers: "if you want to endlessly hack your phone and accept these lags, use Android"
WP7 critics: "we still miss this and that...."
What is really hard to understand for some is that some people use both platforms on regular basis and can really COMPARE them head to head. And this is the question here, COMPARISON. Times has changed, users are not devoted to one thing in their life anymore and are not treating their choices like a new religion. WP7 is still starting and appeared in a world of huge COMPETITION. If you don't know, the competition and comparisons makes things better, not the closed circle of believers. And that's why MS opened these polls where you vote for the feature you'd love to see.
Some people here are more MS than the company itself.

Hi GManLynx,
In my opinion Wyn6 and Dom both have valid points to make, Dom has voiced the fact that although WP7 is very capable as a daily driver (and it is my preferred O/S) it does seem to be limited for those of us that need specialised apps/functionality to be satisfied with our chosen platform. In the same light Wyn6 has it spot on that these forums do tend to be very geek based and arguments about granular functionality do get out of hand and turn the thread away from its original point, this thread will go that way in the end i promise...............keep an eye on it, its really quite amusing.
Anyway here is my penneth worth:
I have originally come from 6.5 where the flashing was both a delight and at the same time a chore, i then found myself being drawn to Android for the exact same reasoning and that was that i liked to play with and customise my phone to my liking. The hardware however at the time did not do it for me though and i found (as most people now realise) that with Android the hardware is the key for a great phone experience. This is now possible with all of the great droid handsets and the the apps available make the customisation side an absolute pleasure, although decent application coding is still an issue from time to time along with the possibility that the performance of any custom ROM you choose is entirely dependant on the trial and error application addition basis that 6.5 required. In my opinion this will always be the case with an open source platform.
Now with WP7 you get less chance to customise (although it is entirely possible) but the O/S is rather solid due to the fact that it is closed and that the apps that are released have been vetted so as not to afftect the functionality of the phone too much. This is also a plus point when it comes to the hardware that is required as you dont need the leading edge of available hardware to run the buttery smooth O/S. Improvements from Mango have made this even better in my opinion and have opened the door to better development opportunities and eventually better apps than are available at the moment, however i do stress the word eventually. WP7 is still very young and MS have some great things in the pipe that should make the O/S differ greatly from others......but again this will take time.
I could easily recommend droid or WP7 for you and i think you would be pleased, at the end of the day you will as Dom said have to decide what level of functionality vs customisation that you would prefer and go with that one. (this is easily done as all phone carriers now offer the 30 day cool down period, so you can evaluate both properly)
Try everything you can think of to aide your decision but most importantly have fun deciding, i know i did
Kind regards,
Creamy