Develop Bugs

Ideas for B&B version 4.2

I know that 4.1 is only just out & I think it's brilliant. I'm spending every evening checking new posts and playing with my phone like never before. So, before the 4.1 thread becomes the next thread with 1200 posts, I thought I'd start a new thread for ideas for 4.2
Tom - before I found the magic that is B&B I was using Wisbar Advance desktop and an application called innesoft address book which had a great feature that when someone called you, their photo was displayed full screen with their name (see thumbnails) rather than just the standard windows window.
Any chance you could devlelop something similar for 4.2 !!!
Cheers

pna said:
I know that 4.1 is only just out & I think it's brilliant. I'm spending every evening checking new posts and playing with my phone like never before. So, before the 4.1 thread becomes the next thread with 1200 posts, I thought I'd start a new thread for ideas for 4.2
Tom - before I found the magic that is B&B I was using Wisbar Advance desktop and an application called innesoft address book which had a great feature that when someone called you, their photo was displayed full screen with their name (see thumbnails) rather than just the standard windows window.
Any chance you could devlelop something similar for 4.2 !!!
Cheers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Here is something that may hold you over, I am still trying to figure out how to use the caller id without the actual slide to unlock, bit here is something to tide you over, jsut a thought

Have a pretty much full screen keyboard for texting in landscape mode? The text appears at the top?
Is there a way we can assign a button to lock the phone rather than go thruogh the menu?
Cheers

Anybody knows if it is legal to include trial versions of apps in cooked rom?
Was thinking rom with included sktools, english dictionary of some kind, IM+, resco explorer, spb gprs monitor included on rom would save time and space. Apps included would be trial versions and ppl haveing bought them could just enter activation keys/serials, others could buy app if thy liked it.

kakainis said:
Anybody knows if it is legal to include trial versions of apps in cooked rom?
Was thinking rom with included sktools, english dictionary of some kind, IM+, resco explorer, spb gprs monitor included on rom would save time and space. Apps included would be trial versions and ppl haveing bought them could just enter activation keys/serials, others could buy app if thy liked it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This would be a waste of time and energy for most, these Roms are made to be efficient, the least amount of space used so that you as an individual can place your desired programs, once a rom is built there is no removing/uninstalling of any apps, hence the reason to not put trial versions into a rom, I use several of the above mentioned, but to "Bloat" a rom with them would be ineffecient. Best thing to do is install on your sd card, keep all your initial install cabs in one folder and use that as your rebuild folder. Cheers.

Juice05 said:
Have a pretty much full screen keyboard for texting in landscape mode? The text appears at the top?
Is there a way we can assign a button to lock the phone rather than go thruogh the menu?
Cheers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This may assist you in this matter, Cheers.

...
Is it not worth remembering that everyone has a different list of killer apps they MUST have on their device?
If Tom & Meschle etc added every app - the rom would only just fit on a 40gb hard disk!!!
To my mind - the idea is that the cooked roms are a basis onto which you install your own apps to make your own device work?
Constanlty asking for new apps to be added to a rom just complicates the issue. Or am I wrong?

something so i can remotly use my desktop via PPC
then im complete

automated network setup like in the O2 WM6 Premium 1.0 WWE rom

Extended timers & alarms application
I'd like to avoid installing SpbTime on each version
Great job!

OK, i agree, rom should be as slim as possible, but why the hell there is cube, psshutXP, PHM regedit/traylaunch, and office mobile on it then?
Could make an ultra lite wersion. (=
P.S. Dont get me wrong, i think 4.1 is great and it is a lot faster than O2. Just throwing around ideas about how to make it better.

with my original post, I was not really asking for a copy of the app, just would like a much bigger photo to pop up with caller id and liked the look of the inesoft one.
Tom - what do you think?

Just trying to make the ROM easier to use, more efficient.
B&B 4.1 is far better than original ROM from this point of view
TouchFlo for example helps to have everything we need with a single finger move..
Phone app is a lot more usable also.
Perhaps also the possibility to customize HTC Home by default, with more options (number of apps in the launcher, ..)

i don't think that is constructive to add as much apps, i can imagine, when it's released, everbody is shouting "this is not good" and "why did you use this app and not the other one"...and so one. I like it clear, not too much apps...but that's my opinion.
If i want it with all apps included then i start (to learn ) cooking my own ROM... IMHO i am very satisfied with the work that Tom is doing for us all. And 4.1 is just released. Enjoy it and let Tom make a break. He is hard working all the time!

Plugins for new version
Alarms extension (SpbTime style)
USB PenDrive emulator (WMstorage style)
Phone call recording (Audio Recorder style)
Thanks for B&B! Great job!

i have a great idea
Why dont we support Tom and all off his hard work and all the other wizards here, and stop complaining or asking for more.
like a bunch of kids in a sweet shop.

Improving File access
What I would like to see is the File Dialog Changer, I don't know who has heard of it but it is very good! Usually when you want to save files or open them in any application you get access to you My Documents folder. Only some smart apps like TCPMP and others have the option to access your entire pda.
File Dialog Changer changes the way you access your files in opening and saving them for every application, it's just 50 KB and you can activate / deactivate it in System Settings.
bbracer16valver said:
something so i can remotly use my desktop via PPC
then im complete
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And about your wish I can only say that there is already Remote Desktop for WM6, I think I've downloaded it in the Wizard forum. Or use PocketVNC, that is the pda version for VNC. I am successfully using that with TightVNC on my computer. I just have to be in range of my WLAN and can turn on my computer by sending a wake on lan signal (not with vnc) and then access my computer through pocketvnc or access the files on my computer.

neilhhardy said:
Why dont we support Tom and all off his hard work and all the other wizards here, and stop complaining or asking for more.
like a bunch of kids in a sweet shop.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thread is: Ideas for B&B version 4.2, nothing to do with sweet shop

brainstorming said:
Thread is: Ideas for B&B version 4.2, nothing to do with sweet shop
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think he had a point though. In the whole thread there is not one message of Tom Codon himself. Did you ask what he thinks? Maybe he has a few ideas of his own? After all, it will be his ROM...

Who says it will be B&B v4.2? Why not 4.3 or 5.0? If there will be another version let him take care of the numbers.

Data, Minutes and SMS monitoring Software

Happy new year everyone,
since yesterday I am the proud owner of my Touch HD (enough sentimentalies). I am just getting all the software/tweaks together search through this forum.
For some reason I have not come across the following:
A software, that keeps track of my monthly used minutes, SMS and most important - since I don't have a flatrate - the data volume loaded through 3G (or everything that is not WiFi).
I did find LCMinutes 1.54, but I didn't see anything about data volume in there.
Any recommendations ? (aside from "get a flatrate" )
Oh look, some glasses also might do the trick. In the Wiki I found GPRSTrafficMonitor: (Commercial) and SPB GPRS Monitor (Commercial, $20, 15 day trial). So, I would need to rephrase my request. Anything that can do all three things and is for free? "Das geht nun wirklich nicht..." <- German referrence to famouse KinderSurprise ad
Thanks alot!

A great program to monitor 3g data, USB data, bluetooth data is SPB Wireless Monitor!

try Chi-Tai's Homescreen ++
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_im_cs.htm

Hello all friend,
I checked it yesterday! Homescreen (old Batterystatus) works great with HD , BUT you MUST use it on Second today plugin or you must deactivate TouchFlo3D.
(It is not working with TouchFlo3D but you already know that. Well i didn't so ).

wildx said:
try Chi-Tai's Homescreen ++
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_im_cs.htm
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I took this freeware too. It can do a lot things more, but I use it only for counting minutes, Data and SMS . It´s very usefull an tiny at the (second-)today-screen. Only one line and you can switch between Date, Calls and SMS with tapping on this line
"Gleich 3 Wünsche auf einmal ;-)" <- German referrence to famouse KinderSurprise ad
Greetings,
nick

brandon7gr said:
Hello all friend,
I checked it yesterday! Homescreen (old Batterystatus) works great with HD , BUT you MUST use it on Second today plugin or you must deactivate TouchFlo3D.
(It is not working with TouchFlo3D but you already know that. Well i didn't so ).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how do you use it in second today plug in? is this software?

Thanks for all your suggestions.
I have now used the combination of Homescreen ++ (thanks wildx) and Second today (thanks brandon7gr). It now seems to work like a charm.
Second today is just another regular .cab file that install on the device.
I will have to take a closer look at the accuracy but I guess even a rough idea where I stand will do the trick.
Cheers,
escF2

Check with your service provider as they might already offer this service to you free of charge in the way of a text message request or voice spoken ....some networks offer this service....please dont ask me how as this is network dependant so you best enquire with your network service provider....it wont hurt to ask them...good luck

patterns said:
how do you use it in second today plug in? is this software?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You google for and install "SecondToday" then you will see a shortcut in your start menu for it and it runs another today screen as an app instead of a "true" today screen. The advantage is that you can run Manilla and map a softkey to SecondToday which will run all of your older Today plugins.

nick007 said:
Yes, I took this freeware too. It can do a lot things more, but I use it only for counting minutes, Data and SMS . It´s very usefull an tiny at the (second-)today-screen. Only one line and you can switch between Date, Calls and SMS with tapping on this line
"Gleich 3 Wünsche auf einmal ;-)" <- German referrence to famouse KinderSurprise ad
Greetings,
nick
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can anyone tell me if there's a freeware/shareware plug-in/app that will just monitor the data traffic, without all the other extra bits of Homescreen++ ??

spb wireless monitor...although not free...but this is really awesome

TouchFlo3D2 Start Menu

Hi guys. Just switched from Kaiser to Rhodium and so far love it...
However, I'm already starting to get a bit annoyed by the Start Menu replacement that comes with TF3D2.
Is there an app or a reg-hack that i can run to go back to good ol' 6.1 Start Menu?
Only reason I ask is because for some reason my TomTom install hasn't put an entry in the all programs list so to launch it I have to go Start, All Programs, File Explorer, My Device, Navigator, TomTom...which I'm sure you will agree is somewhat cumbersome.
Or if anyone has some magical way to add folders/shortcuts into the TF3D2 menus that would also work fine for me!

OK figured out how to create a shortcut, and subsequently add it to the quick launcher.
Still a bit confused as to why stuff that should be (and is) in folders (i.e. S2U2) is shown as a list.
For that reason, can I enable folder view, or can I disable the task launcher altogether and go back to good old windows mobile start menu?
I've tried the TF3D2 tweak app and that doesn't seem to do anything at all!

Why not try the solution here. Hope that helps,
Dave

Many thanks!

I thought we can just turn it off from the Today settings screen? (Just untick TouchFlo3D from it)

you can, but that turns off the whole of touchflo3d rather than just the start menu/program manager

dazultra2000 said:
Hi guys. Just switched from Kaiser to Rhodium and so far love it...
However, I'm already starting to get a bit annoyed by the Start Menu replacement that comes with TF3D2.
Or if anyone has some magical way to add folders/shortcuts into the TF3D2 menus that would also work fine for me!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Use Explorer and navigate to your Windows\StartMenu\Programs\ folder and paste shortcuts to your applications.
They should appear in the Programs list now.
Hope this helped you

the answer is in the tweaks thread.

New TP2 user - several queries

Hi, first post here. I finally replaced my 6 year old iPAQ 2210/2215 with an HTC Touch Pro 2 a couple of days ago. I'd appreciate advice on a few points please. Hope it's OK to raise multiple topics like this? I also posted to HTC forum yesterday but so far no replies.
1. I make/receive relatively few mobile phone calls so I prefer to use the TP2 in a rather similar mode to previously. IOW, more as a Pocket PC than a phone. Am I right that the Today screen cannot co-exist simultaneously with TouchFlo3D - it's one or the other?
2. Assuming that's the case, is there some way I can quickly restore the TouchFlo UI when I do need it? Or must I go through Settings > Today > Items and re-check that box (losing all my other checkmarks)?
3. I can get to most of the TouchFlo features anyway from the Today screen. But one at least has defeated me: that nice Weather program, which I like a lot. Any suggestions on how to build a shortcut to it please, even if not with the fancy animation?
4. I'm concerned to maximise battery life. I can turn off WiFi and Blutetooth. Is it possible to turn off GPS when I'm not using it?
5. I've so far not found a built-in backup tool (like iPAQ Backup). Is there one, or must I use a 3rd party tool like Sprite Backup?
6. Is there an executable somewhere on my TP2 that will rotate the screen please? When I add Pocket Plus to my Today screen, that has such a toggle tool under one of its tabs. But, despite having only just paid for Pocket Plus (which I've happily used for years on the 2210/15), I don't think I'm going to get on with this latest version, so I need an alternative rotate tool.
Sorry for what's turned out to be a rather long first post!
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

1. Completely right, but you can use SecondToday (freeware) as a shortcut to the "old" today screen.
2. See 1
3. Stay with the Today screen in combination with secondtoday
4. No, you cannot turn off the GPS, but what helps a lot is to put the band of the telephone fixed to GPRS, not UMTS/3G/HSDPA. That saves your battery a lot.
5. No there isn't, you must look for Sprite, SPB or sunnysoft backup.
6. Try Flip-it, it works automatically with your Gsensor. Otherwise look for Gyrator or ChangeScreen
Hopes it gets you going

Re backup software. dotfred.net's pimbackup is a handy tool to transfer personal info and can be scheduled.

I am using Second Today.. works great!! love it!! Just like you, can't live without the WM today screen.

Thanks all, appreciate the replies so far. Will try SecondToday. I'm still experimenting with Today plug-ins such as Pocket Plus and PocketBreeze.
I have another query but will post separately about it as it's an application problem.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

ronh said:
1. Completely right, but you can use SecondToday (freeware) as a shortcut to the "old" today screen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm, wonder what I'm doing wrong here? I downloaded SecondToday.CAB and copied it to TP2, then tried to execute it. But nothing happened.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Just to add.
GPS is turned off all the time unless an application is polling it.
So unless you leave the GPS test,GPSToday, Google Maps, Tomtom, iGo or whatever running, it will be off.

labbbby said:
Just to add.
GPS is turned off all the time unless an application is polling it.
So unless you leave the GPS test,GPSToday, Google Maps, Tomtom, iGo or whatever running, it will be off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks labbbby, that's good to learn. My main app is Memory-Map, which I use for planning walks (hikes) and recording them etc. On a 6 mile walk the other day I was a bit disappointed to find that my battery was down to about 50%. So extrapolating to a full day's trek (say 12-15 miles) it would be on the limit. Reckon I'll have to invest in a spare.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

terrypin said:
Hmm, wonder what I'm doing wrong here? I downloaded SecondToday.CAB and copied it to TP2, then tried to execute it. But nothing happened.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try a search on SecondToday for other download sites, maybe you where unfortunate to get a faulty install file...

Hi,
- I would advice you to use TouchFloDetacher, works better than mToday or SecondToday AND it has an easy softkey changer so you can switch easily between TF and Today
- My favorite weatherplugin: WeatherBugDirect_PPC_VGA. Works great but maybe not fancy enough (?)
- Rotators enough: there is a cab somewhere on this forum that does it by changing some reg setting: is better because all the others (i think) are separate programs that need to be running in the background using up mem!
hope this helps a bit ... (still a TP2 beginner myself)
greetz
C.

terrypin said:
4. I'm concerned to maximise battery life. I can turn off WiFi and Blutetooth. Is it possible to turn off GPS when I'm not using it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I feel I must correct others:
4.- yes, GPS is switched automatically off when no program listens to the virtual COM port that they see (the driver monitors it), and started when a program connects to it.
It is also switched off in suspend mode, if you would like to log track with PPC "off" - see my program at www.madhacker.org that changes the way the driver behaves.

ronh said:
Try a search on SecondToday for other download sites, maybe you where unfortunate to get a faulty install file...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ron: Turned out to be down to my stupidity. I tried to execute SecondToday.CAB from my PC! Installed OK of course when done properly from Resco File Explorer on the TP2.
But can you help me get it working please? I first ran the CAB while in TouchFlo mode. Should I then see any evidence of it on the main screen (purple, with large digital clock)? I didn't see anything obvious so went to All Programs. There I found 3 relevant entries:
SToday Quit
SToday Settings
Second Today
I clicked the last and got an empty Today screen, with the left softkey 'Calendar' and no softkey on the right. I clicked that blank area anyway, as I couldn't find anything else, but that gave the error message "This file cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate or one of its components cannot be found..."
That mention of a trusted certificate is puzzling. When installing from the PC desktop I've been getting an alert about that and clicking Yes to proceed. But when installing from this SecondToday.CAB that didn't happen.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Curehead said:
Hi,
- I would advice you to use TouchFloDetacher, works better than mToday or SecondToday AND it has an easy softkey changer so you can switch easily between TF and Today
- My favorite weatherplugin: WeatherBugDirect_PPC_VGA. Works great but maybe not fancy enough (?)
- Rotators enough: there is a cab somewhere on this forum that does it by changing some reg setting: is better because all the others (i think) are separate programs that need to be running in the background using up mem!
hope this helps a bit ... (still a TP2 beginner myself)
greetz
C.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks Curehead. Not sure if you've seen my reply to Ron about SecondToday, but I'm having the same frustration with TouchFloDetacher! I'm sure it will turn out to be down to some basic mistake on my part.
I ran TFDetacher.CAB in Resco File Explorer while TouchFlo was on. Then, as I couldn't see any more direct way, in All Programs I found 'Hide TouchFlo' and clicked it. That gave me the error message "Unable to find TouchFlo Detacher Service". I also tried re-installing when in Today mode, but got into a similar mess there too.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

AlCapone said:
I feel I must correct others:
...if you would like to log track with PPC "off" - see my program at www.madhacker.org that changes the way the driver behaves.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AlCapone: Many thanks, I've duly installed GPSTweaker.exe which sounds exactly what I need!
If I've understood correctly this means that while using Memory-Map to record my walks I will be able to switch off (suspend) my TP2 to minimise use of the battery, yes? But I'm not clear how Mem-Map will still be tracking while the TP2 is suspended? Unless it does, there's not much point keeping GPS running?
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

ronh said:
1. Completely right, but you can use SecondToday (freeware) as a shortcut to the "old" today screen.
6. Try Flip-it, it works automatically with your Gsensor. Otherwise look for Gyrator or ChangeScreen
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ron,
I started with Gyrator but I'm totally baffled as to how to set it up. I read earlier in an article about it something to the effect that "Install the MS.NET stuff and the CAB and it just works." Not here it doesn't.
After reset I got a sort of setup screen I didn't really follow so I opened the 'Events' window only to get a complex settings window that meant nothing to me. I'm not normally this dense! Is it meant to be understandable by mere end users rather than programmers/developers?
Is there a reasonably simple step-by-step on how to set it up you can point me to please?
I was hoping for a program that would simply install itself and then either automatically rotate every screen or let me do so at the tap of a command.
I'll try Flip-It now.
Edit:
Gave up on Gyrator and didn't try Flip It following further study. But instead I'm pleased to report that late last night I eventually got ChangeScreen working. The only one I found comprehensible!
BTW, its default was set not to rotate TouchFlo screens, so I had to change that. Why would that not be generally regarded as desirable please?
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

whats going on here

Hi all,
please excuse the vagueness of this post.
I have just been given a tp2 as a replacement to my td2
My wife also has the tp2 which she got a year ago
the whole look of the phone (software ) is totally diferent
for instance the program page used to list a few progs (your choice) and then you had to hit all progs to get them up.
i am guessing that its a different rom or different version of sense?
also how do i change/edit/remove some programs from the list?
cheers guys

you'll need a registry editor to get the job done here, you can find that in the Theme's and apps section, i'll be back with a link, but you have to navigate to --
HKLM\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu
and where you see
EnableManilaStartMenu = 1
change the one to a zero and restart the phone, should work.

thanks for that
sorry to be thick but does that just enable me to move the prog icons or delete the progs as well
appreciate the help

thesyntax said:
you'll need a registry editor to get the job done here, you can find that in the Theme's and apps section, i'll be back with a link, but you have to navigate to --
HKLM\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu
and where you see
EnableManilaStartMenu = 1
change the one to a zero and restart the phone, should work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You don't need to edit the registry to turn off Manila. This is easily done from the Today settings.

hi got a regedit prog
but i gat as far as
HKLM\Software\HTC\
but cant see enlarge menu
also on the today screen there is no mention of manilla jut htc sense
all i really want to do is lose all the stupid pre loaded progs
thanks

stringman said:
hi got a regedit prog
but i gat as far as
HKLM\Software\HTC\
but cant see enlarge menu
also on the today screen there is no mention of manilla jut htc sense
all i really want to do is lose all the stupid pre loaded progs
thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Different issues, my friend. Sense is the UI (aka Manila versions 2.1 and 2.5) you see when you start the phone. It is on by default, but you can turn it off in the Today setup and use the much less memory intensive standard Window Mobile screen. Go into the Today setup and turn off Sense by removing the check mark in the list and putting a check mark on Windows Default.
As for the bloatware that comes with the phone, anything on the ROM can not be removed except by flashing a new ROM. You can delete shortcuts from your start menu for programs you don't/won't use, but the programs will still be there. Do a search for Crud Scraper, a neat little tool that can 'remove' stuff from specific phone models (it worked great on my Tilt 2). Beyond that, read up as much as you can on modding your phone. This place is a great resource. Unfortunately, easy answers are hard to come by. You have to roll up your sleeves and get a little dirty.