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so im confused and dont know what to do. Im currently with at&t but my contract is up and im due for upgrade.I want the fortress/touch pro 2. should i wait for at&t to release it or go and sign up with tmobile and get it today. i Like the tmo version's keyboard better but i like the sliver finish of the at&t more the the bronzeish color of the tmobile....HELP lol i mean other than the keyboard and color are there any other difference between the two......
Thanks
Well Tmobile is cheaper and faster 3G, depends on your area how well your reception might be. Around where I live ATT has a much better reception than Tmobile. I think it comes down to that, you get what you pay for. The phones are going to do the same thing..I got my touchpro 2 for tmobile for 229.99 upgrading through wirefly, they'll sell it to you for 199.99 if you are a new customer and get the data plan which you need either way.
like lmen said. The phone is going to be capable of the exact same things, except for using different 3G bands (and the slight slim chance the AT&T version will have a 3.5mm jack).
The best way to decide is to see who has the best coverage in the areas you will need it and compare the plans that that suit you. Sometimes the plans can vary greatly. Did you see the article where US, Canada and I think Australia are the most expensive countries for cell phone usage?
yea tmobile is alot cheaper....for me right now i pay about 110 a month i have 900 mins with rollover and pda+ messaging but with tmobile i can drop the price to 84 with the my fave 600mins i dunno i have to see how reception is because i dont have any call problems now im using the tilt....all of this is coming cause i want the tp2 so bad lol
I've had great luck with Tmo's 3G and my TP2/G1
One of the biggest mistake is to never leave your carrier because of one phone! But since your contract is up then I guess it's ok!!!
Sorry, I always find it preposterous how much people pay for cell phones in the US and Canada. I pay between 8 and 13 dollars US a month (no data included though, but then again, I have wifi at home at the university and some hotspots around the city thanks to my home ISP).
the carriers really need to stop gouging customers.
Is there a CDMA hardspl? Can Verizon phones be flashed?
These phones are now just being released to Carriers
Verizon has the phone for $199
Sprint / ATT are expected to charge $299
Because I am a noob and had a tilt previously CDMA vs GSM wasn't an issue, my 2 year contract expires in a few days.
Will ROMS be cross compatible or GSM only or CDMA only?
Anyone have experience with differences in internet speeds?
Im a UK GSM user. Heres what i can tell you off hand.
Check the Rhodium CDMA forum to see if there is a HardSPL (I dont think so, yet)
$100 dollars is a lot of monies
Not cross compatible, dont do it. Dont think about it, im sure bad things happen.
No idea about internet speeds.
Me personally? GSM Model, $100 is a lot but there are far more GSM users on XDA devs therefore far more things to play about with. This phone is a toy for me, i dont need it but it occupies me. You chose!
Actually $349.99 for Sprint and T-Mobile
AT&T not listed as of yet, I will try to barter it for $199 when it comes out
Verizon actually looks very nice, but knowing them they usually block alot of stuff on their device or charge extra for things that should be free...
ATT is the way to go for me atleast...you get a wider support if its a gsm phone vs. cdma
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
bimori said:
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
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Sorry, but Sprint also charges you for a data plan for as long as you have the phone. However, I'm not sure whether they lock you into it for the duration of the contract or not, but who gets a smartphone without data these days?
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AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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I'm gonna have to seriously disagree with this. This only applies in big cities. Verizon has better overall coverage and better broadband coverage. At&t also has HORRID customer service. Before At&t took over I would've agreed with this but At&t screwed everything up.
On the note of the one i would buy I would buy the Verizon or Sprint one based on the messed up keyboard design that at&t continues to go with.
I dont know about horrid customer service, It can be bad at times, but I had a tilt and warranty exchanged it twice and got a fuse. I think playing dumb with att will get you where you want to go and more info than you were looking for, Data coverage always varies upon where you live, I have lived in the sticks of upper michigan for a while now, NO 3G but never a dropped call and I mean never When I was in a bigger city with my fuse my data speeds were impressive but every time I went ut of range of a tower and conected to another it dropped my call, which is utter bull. So If your looking to buy a phone check out the internal specs on the device, see what can be unlocked and flashed to your liking and look at the device to see if it is aesthetically pleasing to your eye not someone elses, if you like the way it looks and what its got in it buy it. But just from my point of view dont buy CDMA having a sim card rocks you can put it into any phone and bam! new phone! Well any compatible phone but there are a lot of them. CDMA phones are a carriers way of shoving a cactus up you a** and telling you to like it.
7600 vs 7601
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Thank you for the clarification.
I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
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I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
Dont forget that if you have AT&T's family plan, you can ditch the data plan for the TP2 and add medianet for the dumb phone for $15 then swap SIM chip. Now you have TP2 with unlimited data plan for only $15.
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
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Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
how do we even know if weve got the CDMA or GSM version .. ??
stanglifemike said:
Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
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Hmmm I was expecting a comparison to the WWE edition. The comparisons to the TP is what i already know but thanks. I had the TP and the Xperia and no doubt that the TP2 is by far better than those two. It is the greatest winmo device i've ever used and it had the best stock rom i've ever used as well. Thats why i'm thinking about making the switch to cdma. I like to be able to change phones as much as I want thats why i stuck with At&t.
well I'm sure you know about the GSM capabilities and the Verizon sim card already installed in the phone
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Why do you say that?
californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have
Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.
We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.
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They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!
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Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.
I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.
My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.
i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02
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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),
I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.
Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.
So I just got off the phone with ****-T&T a couple hours ago and I'm really pissed.
I called them to clarify their "grandfather clause" exceptions to the data requirements for smartphones because I have had a Tilt without data for over 2 years now. The Tilt is on life support now so I was looking into getting another phone outright without an upgrade so they don't force data on me. I have no need for data because I am in the wifi spots 24/7 and only need a smartphone for e-mail capabilities.
It turns out that despite being grandfathered, if I get a smartphone any other way other than insurance claim my ATT Tilt, then they will require that I add data. Even though I don't need data. ****ing bull****.
And it looks like they don't have any more Tilts so they are going to send me a Tilt2. I have heard mixed reviews about the Tilt2, so I decided to come and get some opinions for those who have had it and tested it for a while here.
Any input regarding the Tilt2 (good or bad) is welcomed before I decide my next step. I have been with this ****ty company since they were Cingular and I am getting fed up with their bull****!
First off, calm down. If you really love(d) your tilt, which I'm guessing you do looking at your username lol, then you would look around on ebay, craigslist, amazon, etc for some good deals. They're all reliable sources, minus craigs, so you definitely have one option there.
But if you insisted on getting a tilt 2, I would have to say no. I fell in love with it for the first 2 months I bought it but the love slowly faded away. WM 6.5 is truly remarkable in all that it can do but over time the small laggy/choppy responses gets to you...it did for me. But another cool thing you can do, if you hadn't known, is dualboot android.
Honestly, go get yourself a nice android phone. Android is the next leading OS next to Apple. And until WM 7 comes out (which is Winter 2010/Spring 2011), WM will be far behind.
Good luck.
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First off, calm down. If you really love(d) your tilt, which I'm guessing you do looking at your username lol, then you would look around on ebay, craigslist, amazon, etc for some good deals. They're all reliable sources, minus craigs, so you definitely have one option there.
But if you insisted on getting a tilt 2, I would have to say no. I fell in love with it for the first 2 months I bought it but the love slowly faded away. WM 6.5 is truly remarkable in all that it can do but over time the small laggy/choppy responses gets to you...it did for me. But another cool thing you can do, if you hadn't known, is dualboot android.
Honestly, go get yourself a nice android phone. Android is the next leading OS next to Apple. And until WM 7 comes out (which is Winter 2010/Spring 2011), WM will be far behind.
Good luck.
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Thanks so much for that honest response. I liked my Tilt since it was my first smartphone and over time, I got to flash roms so it was fun. But with WM sucking so much and all the issues with flashing Manila roms, when it started dying, I decided I would go for another phone.
I was looking into the Blackberry Bold 9700 because of the remarkable e-mail client, but ATT shot down those dreams rather quickly. I just don't get it. Why does it matter what phone I am using if I don't need a data plan. It's just frustrating because they are feeding into the persona of that big greedy corporation that doesn't give a crap about customers.
And you just reiterated all of my concerns about the Tilt2. Although it has gotten some solid (4/5) reviews on some tech sites, customer reviews are 2.5 or 3/5 because of lagging, bloatware, etc issues.
Well alot of the customers bad reviews are from using the stock ATT Rom included with the Tilt 2. If you flash a new ROM almost all of the lagging, choppiness and bloatware is completely gone. I was afraid when I first got my tilt 2 as well because of all the negative reviews from people, but after flashing a new ROM I instantly fell in love with it. Almost everyone whos seen my phone is extremely jealous of it because of the nice screen, full keyboard, and the beautiful User Interface, and most of those people have owned iPhones. You'll have to experiment which ROM is the best for you, but I have no doubt with all the wonderful chefs here on XDA you'll find one that you love. Also If you buy an unlocked phone, not from AT&T you wouldn't have to buy a data plan, I got mine of eBay, and didn't have data on it for about a month. Plus with the Android development coming along smoothly for the Tilt 2, my guess is a very amazing full port will be available within this year. But I would have to agree with urkrnboy90 and say that WM 6.5 is far behind Android, and Android is an amazing OS.
I ran into the same issue about having to upgrade my plan. I told them I would be looking for another providers and they changes their tune real quick and let me add 2 smart phones without having to add the 30.00 a month data plan per line. They need to have a reasonably priced family data plan for smart phones. Sorry but i'm not gonna pay more for my cell phone internet than my home internet. Considering I have a 12mb cabe internet for 50.00 a month. If they can get me that kind of speed or faster for 60.00 a month we can talk then. I love my cell rom v10.1 only fix i needed was the keyboard fix and it runs much better than the stock rom.
I like my tilt 2 but thinking of selling it and getting a HD2.
I started getting the unlimited data for $15 several years ago on my V3i Razr and upgraded to a Palm 750 and then went to a Q9h by then I was not under contract anymore, I then bought a Tilt (ebay) stuck my sim card in it and never looked back. I bought a Tilt2 about 2-3 months ago and so far I havent been charged the $30 "PDA" plan still on the $15 so If I were you I would buy another phone on ebay and stick your old sim card in it and see what happens. I have heard of people doing this and being ok UNTIL they updated another non-smart phone on their plan and it knocked them out from under the grandfather clause, good luck.
Assassin5150, XanderCorp and 03hdfatboy, thanks for the input. I went to the ATT store by my house to just give the Tilt 2 a test run, but unfortunately, they didn't have any on hand. I wanted to get a feel for the phone.
It's interesting because I was on the phone with a Rep and then the Floor Manager for about 30-45 minutes and they were just reading off the cue-cards. I have an old sim-card and even though they give me one of the newer ones, I never put it in my phone. So I am hoping that if put it in another phone, the old sim card won't work like the new ones where they will know which phone I have. Did either of you have the old sim-card?
I have a tilt2 and I am very satisfied with it. I had a touch pro first, and I will say that for some reason that the tiltt 2 is a lot better. and as far as the data plan, it would be easier to just buy the tilt 2 outright and not get a data plan. AT&T is getting ridiculous if I might say so my self
I went from Tilt to Tilt2 (Fuze was garbage) And I love It, but you do have to tweak it a little, remove bloatware, and store all availble on your SD Card, and the Speed is nice, and I'm running Stock Rom and I absolutely Love it, I don't care for the Sense/TouchFlo so I use Mobile Shell ! But overall I'm Satisfied with it, And Will keep it til a good Android is Availble, WM7 is not for me. Oh And Also most of all your TILT programs are compatible with your TILT2 , though I would look for the upgraded ones for a better screen image.
Another positive vote for the Tilt 2.
Stock it can get sluggish but I am using the Energy ROM and OMG this is a new phone all together.
The SPB Shell is also a nice option.
First off, the data plan requirement for smartphones is not exclusive to ATT. Most other carriers require this too. Sure, you don't have to like it. But it seems like the OP is implying that ATT is alone in this policy, when they are not.
Second, I moved from the Tilt to the Tilt2, and the old phone just doesn't compare. Sure, the stock Tilt2 ROM can be sluggish. But the stock ROM on the old Tilt was even more so. I was actually pretty happy with the responsiveness when I upgraded. Also, a lot of tweaking can be done to improve the stock speed. But I eventually went to an Energy ROM, and its just amazing how much faster, more functional, and stable it is now. Not completely mandatory to flash a new ROM, but its a nice option.
And in just about every other respect, the Tilt 2 is far superior. The screen is much larger, higher resolution which makes it just gorgeous. I quite like the form factor (though some complain about the size/weight). Its sleek, sexy, and has a nice feel. Its almost identical in footprint to the iPhone (and competitive smartphones), just thicker since it has a real keyboard (which is a very fair tradeoff). Speaking of which, the keyboard is wonderful. Since the phone is bigger, so is the keyboard, making it even better then the old Tilt. The camera is better than the old Tilt, and the speakerphone is excellent (just about the best on a cell phone).
Bottom line, the Tilt2/TP2/Rhodium is the best smartphone around right now with a hardware keyboard. Windows Mobile has its drawbacks, of course. Especially now that its the "lame duck" of phone OS's until Windows Phone 7 comes out. Plus, the Rhodium is really getting pretty far along in age at this point (I hate to say it). If I was looking for an upgrade right now, I'd be seriously considering an Android phone. That's assuming you can live without a real keyboard, seeing as waiting for new Androids does not seem like an option.
First off, please let me say I know I am NOT supposed to say much about the Tilt2 since I am on Tmo Pro2, but hey, they are pretty much the same thing and I was with AT&T ever since they were Pac Bell until I finally had enough of with their spotty service at my home...they even suggested me to move LMAO This is going to be a rather long post since I am going to try to put my two cents in for a few different replies I've seen...so please forgive me.
Anyway, I had, sorry, have, the Tilt, rock solid phone nonetheless. Much like my Treo 650, the Tilt is like a freaken rock. I remember I did update the ROM before and tried both with all the apps AT&T loaded into the phone and without, not much different between the two. I tweaked the phone with regedit and made it to the way I like it.
I bought my phone right out. Back then, the BS was a bit easier to deal with. Called the first store and they said they had it in-stock (within first week Tilt was out,) went to the store, asked for the phone, the girl asked "Are you going to re-new your contract?" Errr, nope, not planning to (nor did I tell her about the $15 internet plan.) "Oh, the phone was sold out this morning." What? I just called 15 mins ago. Anyway, same story went on for two more stores till I learned to say "yes, I am renewing my contract." My credit card was out almost the same time as they pulled the phone out from the back. Heehee.
At some point last year I finally had enough with their poor services around my house. Thru out a whole month, I was back and forth with their 611. One said it's because I live right next to a police station and their radios are robbing my signal...er...LOL...ok, I didn't know NexTel runs on GSM nor did anyone ever tell me police radio required SIM! One said it was because I wasn't on the $30 PDA plan and she wanted to changed it, which I told her no cause at the time I was on the phone with them I was on an unlocked Samsung candybar. One told me it was handset issue, which I told them nope, cause I have Tero 600, 650, Tilt, Blackjack, unlocked quad bands and non of them get any signal! One said it was because I never turn my phone off to allow the phone a chance to update itself...ha, you turn the phone off and expect it to update itself while it is off? GOOD ONE! One said it was because I had an old SIM and told to go to the store and get a new SIM at no cost to me. Ha, the sales tried to charged me for the SIM until he read whatever there were on his screen. Anyway, to proved them wrong, I called 611 and as we were talking about the signal, my call dropped just when I got near my house. The BS with AT&T, I got a lot horrible stories, still beats the crap out of me as to why I stuck with them for so long. Anyway, what I had learned was that whether old SIM or new, they know what phone you are using. I didn't ask the detail but I think the cell signal itself put out the IMEI number since they read that number back to me when I was using an unlocked quad bands. If you were to call them for any issue and you are paying for the $15 plan instead of the $30 one, try changing your SIM into an older or any candy bar phone a day or two before you actually call AT&T. Unless you darn sure it's "handset" issue, otherwise, there isn't much of a need for them to know which phone you are using. Anyway, I did it like that thru out my Tero, Blackjack, Tilt and all the way till I canceled my account with them. I don't even remember how long my contract had been gone.
Anyway, I waited too long for the them to push the Tilt2 to the market plus all the bad services I went thru with their 611, so I left.
Speaking from using Pro2, I don't have much complain. RegEdit pretty much made it work the way I want it to. Would I go back to my Tilt? Nah. Tilt is a really great phone, I love it so much to the phone I didn't even bother to look at any other phone as long as they can't tilt! Hey, the tilt part of the Tilt can get to ya! But as tech moving forward, the phone is stuck in the past. There are a lot Tilt2 or Pro2 can offer that Tilt can't really match up. Now, I know it's not the best compare you can do, but try stopping by Tmo store, most of them, even the some in the middle of the mall have the Pro2 sitting there with the battery and SIM in. Give it a try...I haven't get a change to play with Tilt2, so please, for all you Tilt2 users out there, BE EASY on me if you gonna beat me up for my comments I know Tmo Pro2 is running on a lot less preloaded apps than the Tilt2...gosh, I can only imagine how much apps AT&T preloaded in it since they did that to Tilt. But serious, it's the WinMo 6.5 you are going to test out...
Anyway, good luck.
If you buy it fully out right they can't make you do ****
I have a Fuze, a Tilt 2 and an iPhone. Among them all I think fuze is the most well build phone I've ever had, it just has that feel of solidity when you hold it, and the magnetic stylus tip just screams for quality.
I dont do too much sms, so I haven't really used the hardware keyboard on the tilt2 as much, but when I do use it, it really shines. It's way better than the Fuze keyboard or any BB keyboards.
I would say go for the Tilt 2, you wont regret it, but you do need to flash to a new ROM, cus the stock Rom is pretty darn slow...
AT&T 3G
Do you know of an HD2 that's compatilble with US AT&T 3G?
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I like my tilt 2 but thinking of selling it and getting a HD2.
I started getting the unlimited data for $15 several years ago on my V3i Razr and upgraded to a Palm 750 and then went to a Q9h by then I was not under contract anymore, I then bought a Tilt (ebay) stuck my sim card in it and never looked back. I bought a Tilt2 about 2-3 months ago and so far I havent been charged the $30 "PDA" plan still on the $15 so If I were you I would buy another phone on ebay and stick your old sim card in it and see what happens. I have heard of people doing this and being ok UNTIL they updated another non-smart phone on their plan and it knocked them out from under the grandfather clause, good luck.
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If I were you I would get the unlimited data plan if you still can. USA today just recently said ATT is getting rid of their unlimited plans for 14.99 for 200mb or $25.99 for 2GB. So if you don't sign up for unlimited now, you will never get it with ATT again. Plus they dumped their prepay deal so they pretty much suck now. I'm not gonna run a credit check for a $40 bill each month. So I switched to Tmobile with my ATT Tilt(1). Well turns out Tmobile runs on a different band then everyone else so to use 3G with Tmobile you have to have an actual Tmobile branded phone. Was planning on going back to ATT with the unlimited data then stumbled onto a slightly scratched up Tmobile Touch Pro 2 for $150. Snatched it up and livin the good Tmobile life. Turns out here Tmobile 3G is 10 times better then ATT. Even where guys are sleeping with their cousins I still get a strong 3G signal. And finally this happened at work which was funny as hell. My coworker has an iphone and ATT 3G. We have a lil cell phone war. I start up my youtube and show HD youtube as good as your desktop. He runs his youtube and it looks all crappy and low res. He then claims its because he's on 3G and if he were on wifi it would look as good as mine. Well I hooked up my 3G into a wifi router and damned if he wasn't right. His youtube was in HD when he was using my tmobile 3g conn. on his wifi iphone. Thought it would make a great Tmobile 3G war commercial. Lesson is all those maps and 3g speeds don't mean jack when you provider is limiting what you can do on your phone.
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Do you know of an HD2 that's compatilble with US AT&T 3G?
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Probably the LEO or international HD2 and not the Tmobile branded one.
I am happy with my Tilt2, I am using the cell rom. my phone kept its stock rom just long enought for me to get it home and flash it, I upgraded from the Tilt to the Tilt2, the phone is overall better, I just wish it had the flash like the Touch Pro.
Hmm. Thanks for all the input everyone.
So I was debating between the Tilt2 or the Bold 9700. Both phones will cost me $50 to get brand new so price isn't an issue. My main issue was no data + e-mail. I want a phone that works wonders with e-mail because that is the reason I need a smartphone.
After setting my heart to the 9700 and being very close to committing to it, I hear all this stuff about how you can't access Blackberry's e-mail (i.e. push e-mail) w/o a date plan because of ATT, RIM, and other providers requiring it. This brings me back to square one because the phone loses some of its spark if I can't have access to RIM's amazing e-mail client. Let's face it, outside of the e-mail, Blackberrys don't really get a lot of praise for the OS.
So for those of you who use Tilt2's e-mail, how is that? After reading so many responses, I am back to 50/50 or 60/40 in favor of the Tilt2. If all it takes is a ROM flash, then I don't have too much problems with that. But can you get push e-mail to the Tilt2?
you can actually get two push email on TP2, one for windows live and you can setup another one with outlook.
The only thing TP2 lacks is a little speed bump and flash light for camera.
I'm fully satisfied with my TP2, though I'm gonna import an HTC Desire from australia which works on AT&T's 3g band. After heavy research over the past few month, I feel android is the ultimate os that suits me the best..
Question...
I'm in the US and I have at&t
I want to get a g2, and im planning on getting one unlocked from a friend,
the thing is, T-Mobile branded g2's don't support at&t's 3g network.
I hear that the Desire Z's from Bell Canada DO support at&t's 3g,
so I'm wondering if anyone has any clue where to get one of these Bell Desire Z's for any cheaper than the outright price on Bell's website?
What is the full price on Bell's website? I tried looking, but it seems they want you to pick a plan and other nonsense to get the full price, so I didn't bother. I've heard they won't sell you the phone anyway, unless you have an account with them.
People on here have had some luck on eBay or similar sources. But this phone is pretty hot, and sellers know that US customers want them to use on ATT's network. I haven't seen it pop up on eBay for much cheaper than online vendors like Negri Electronics, and bidding on eBay can be pretty annoying.
I've heard that you can get buy it from places like Best Buy in Canada, if you are anywhere close to driving distance to Canada. Or if you know people in Canada, maybe they can do that, or even use their Bell upgrade to get one for you, if you are really nice to them.
I bought mine from Negri Electronics. High price, but it was in stock and have a 21 day return policy for defective phones.
And yes, the Bell version (A7275) is the only Desire Z model which is completely compatible to AT&T's 3G network (850/1900 MHz). The phone is amazing, BTW.
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People on here have had some luck on eBay or similar sources. But this phone is pretty hot, and sellers know that US customers want them to use on ATT's network. I haven't seen it pop up on eBay for much cheaper than online vendors like Negri Electronics, and bidding on eBay can be pretty annoying.
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I purchased mine from Ebay. I took part in a few bidding wars but didn't have any luck. I ended up purchasing it using the "Make an Offer" feature. Cost me an arm and a leg but the device is great. I have been with AT&T for years and have some great rates because of that but none of their devices really interested me and I wasn't ready to sign on for another two years. I would rather pay upfront for my device and continue to pay my bill on a month-to-month basis.
Yeah, I have a friend here who's willing to get me one unlocked from his t-mobile upgrade for 350 (outright, it's 500 from bell)...which is great, but i'd REALLY love to have the 3g on it... mabie i'll have to take that advice and look around at best buys and such,
I just wasn't sure if mabie there was a way you could root the phone to get that one specific signal but as far as I could tell, it doesn't work that way
got mine from negri as well
since they do have to pay tax in Canada for those phones, i believe 600 isn't much higher than purchasing directly from bell in canada
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I just wasn't sure if mabie there was a way you could root the phone to get that one specific signal but as far as I could tell, it doesn't work that way
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Definitely doesn't work that way. The radio bands are set in hardware, not software. The G2 lacks the proper hardware to work on the 850/1900 MHz bands that ATT uses. Nothing you do with the software will every change that.
Best price is here:
http://www.newayci.com/detail/1220/HTC_A7275_DESIRE_NAM/