American T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 and travel - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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the t-mobile rhodium supports UMTS 1700 and UMTS 2100 so if canada and/europe use those bands for UMTS (3G) then yes it will work. If not, the device is quad band GSM so no problem using voice and EDGE for data.
Also make sure the device is unlocked if you plan to put another carrier's SIMcard in the device.
tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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Not sure about Canada...but TmoUSA 3G bands are different than Euro-3G.
Unrelated, but worth mentioning: the T-Mobile USA international roaming charge for data is steep -- $15/megabyte.
If you got a Euro sim card that would fix the $, but not the radio (for 3G).
The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.
jamssx said:
The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.
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You used a T-Mobile USA version of the TP2 in Europe and had a usable 3G data connection?? Hmmm...that's the first I've read of this.
If this is well-known (and if so, maybe I'm just clueless ) can you provide a link to more discussion, that is...uhh...evidence...of it? Not about what bands the USA version supports -- I know that part -- but other reports/disucssion of it actually working.
On the other hand, are there any reports of a Euro-TP2 that can work on 3G bands in the USA?
USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.
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USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.
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Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.
MCbrian said:
Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.
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Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS
TP2 overseas vs versions
I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.
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I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.
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That is correct. Apparently they are only able to have 3 3G frequencies (though NTT DoCoMo is currently working on a chip that can handle 8 frequencies!)
At first Europe only used 2100MHz 3G and AT&T had set up on 850MHz/1900MHz. Since those were the only 3 bands, HTC would put all three of those bands in its phones up to the Tilt (Kaiser). Once they made the Raphael though, there was 900MHz 3G in Europe and T-Mobile had chosen the AWS band.
Since they can apparently only put 3 bands in, and Europe now needed two for 900MHz/2100MHz, they could no longer put but of AT&T's frequencies in. So they must have just dropped them.
The AT&T version (FUZE) has 850MHz/1900MHz and also has 2100MHz, which is the dominant band for 3G in Europe. I am not sure if they are using 900MHz there yet, but they decided that was more important to put in the European ones than AT&T's bands.
T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)
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Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS
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It doesn't just support 1700 and 2100, it uses both to work: 1700 for up/send and 2100 for down/receive. So, how does the Tmo USA radio cope without 1700 band for up/send when it's expecting it?
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T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)
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So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...
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So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...
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According to Wikipedia, UMTS Band I (commonly known as 2100MHz) uses 1920 - 1980 for uplink and 2110 - 2170 for downlink while UMTS Band IV (AWS, 1700MHz) uses 1710 - 1755 for uplink and 2110 - 2155 for downlink.
Band II (1900MHz) uses 1850 - 1910 for uplink and 1930 - 1990 for downlink and band V (850MHz) uses 824 - 849 for uplink and 869 - 894 for downlink. The uplink and download for these are close, unlike bands I and IV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I just assume they are only able to have 3 different frequencies since I have yet to see a UMTS phone with 4 frequencies. But as I wrote this, I'm not too sure because there were phones with Band I, Band II, and Band IV which would mean that there are chips capable for 4 different frequencies? Who knows, maybe someone with actual technical knowledge about this can say.
Also according to that page, there are five different UMTS bands deployed across the world. A bit of a pain. That is more then GSM ever had and who knows if it will grow to even more. LTE also will be coming in before GSM is phased out, so we are going to have to have phones that have GSM, UMTS, AND LTE. GSM will be no problem, quadband has been standard for a while, but having a phone that has both your carriers UMTS and LTE frequencies is going to be tough unless you buy it from your carrier.
What they should have done is just used the band names, and not their frequencies. It would be much easier to know that Europe runs on band I and T-Mobile USA runs on band IV and the T-Mobile Rhodium supports both Band I and Band IV.
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Stupid Question - Tmobile TP2 radio on ATT 3G
I'm actually a little embarrassed to even have to ask this question, I'm also pretty sure I know the answer but better safe than sorry. Can anyone confirm that the Tmobile version of the TP2 is able to access the ATT 3G network? I'm 99% sure it will but that weird Tmob band makes me nervous, any input would be appreciated.
No, it will not. However the ATT version shouldn't be too far behind the Tmo launch so don't worry too much
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have 850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
aaronsmckee said: no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have 850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network? Click to expand... Click to collapse Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA. Again to clarify: Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G ATT = 850/1900 for upload/download for its 3G Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
One of the images advertising it does state all those bands, but does not differentiate which are for gsm and which for 3G (which can be misleading and confusing, ergo the clarification by jim_0068 ^). Though if they share the 2100 I have no idea whether you can get limited functionality or if you HAVE to have both of them. *shrugs*
jim_0068 said: Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA. Again to clarify: Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G ATT = 1900/2100 for upload/download for its 3G Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked. Click to expand... Click to collapse actually this is not entirely true either, AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network, it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010. if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
jim_0068 said: Please show me where you found this data? Click to expand... Click to collapse http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537517 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4144863&postcount=1
aaronsmckee said: ... 850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands ... Click to expand... Click to collapse As far as I'm aware: GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 UMTS:1700/2100 And therein lies the problem... While it supports all the bands that would be required, only a small subset actually apply to a 3G connection/signal... Minimally, that would be the specs for it to work on T-Mobile, and quad-band GSM is just standard on 99% of phones these days...
baymon said: actually this is not entirely true either, AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network, it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010. if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band. Click to expand... Click to collapse You're correct and i edited my post it is 850/1900 for ATT US 3G
I gaurantee you that the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 will not work on ATT's 3G Network At All... the frequencies for ATT will only support the 2G Network and therefore only phone calls and text messaging will work.
let's not go that far, let's not forget gprs (same speed as dial-up) and more importantly EDGE (for some that's more than enough).
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2: GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100) GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) UMTS(2100+800)
hppyfnbll said: when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2: GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100) GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) UMTS(2100+800) Click to expand... Click to collapse hmm, now I think the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 works on ATT's 3G Network. It should also work worldwide too.
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
solsearch said: oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma... Click to expand... Click to collapse hmmm why is there 800 MHz? Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers. I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
hppyfnbll said: Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions. Click to expand... Click to collapse I think those numbers are for software only, in fact you probably don't have the hardware to support the frequencies of the wrong carrier.
seems that 800mhz is for Japan and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one). Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
solsearch said: seems that 800mhz is for Japan and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one). Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is? Click to expand... Click to collapse My Xperia X1a shows UMTS (900) even when I check the settings... IN FACT only the X1i supports It's very likely that the numbers you are seeing are actually all of the frequencies that are "summed up" and therefore the TP2 for T-mobile does not have the actual hardware.
poetryrocksalot said: hmmm why is there 800 MHz? Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers. I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors. Click to expand... Click to collapse Those options have been around with the custom ROMs, I have that too on my Fuze, if your hardware doesn't support it then it'll just be an eye candy. Bottom line is this, if you want to utilize AT&T's 3G, then you'll need to wait for AT&T's Fortress because you need the 850 and 1900 band (UMTS band II). If you want to use T-mobile's 3G you still need a TP2 that has the 1700 and 2100 band (UMTS band IV), and no you cannot use european TP2 to access US T-mobile's 3G band because european's (and asia's) 3G utilizes UMTS band I, they are on a slightly different frequencies even though they are categorized both on 2100Mhz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Is the Rhodium UMTS radio *ONLY* dual-band?
I.e. the T-mobile USA version is 1700/2100MHz for UMTS, the Wiki shows international versions seeming to be 900/2100MHz, will AT&T be 850/1900MHz and lose the 2100MHz UMTS band? or is it possible for the Rhodium radio to do tri-band UMTS (e.g. 850/1900/2100MHz)? Sure looks like GREAT upgrade from the Tilt/TyTNII - but I really want tri-band UMTS to get full AT&T 3G support *and* Japan functionality. Sigh. Richard
I'm sure it will retain 2100MHz, the last 3 generations have.
rsolomon said: I.e. the T-mobile USA version is 1700/2100MHz for UMTS, the Wiki shows international versions seeming to be 900/2100MHz, will AT&T be 850/1900MHz and lose the 2100MHz UMTS band? or is it possible for the Rhodium radio to do tri-band UMTS (e.g. 850/1900/2100MHz)? Sure looks like GREAT upgrade from the Tilt/TyTNII - but I really want tri-band UMTS to get full AT&T 3G support *and* Japan functionality. Sigh. Richard Click to expand... Click to collapse The ATT version better be triple band 850/1900/2100MHz on the 3G band; or otherwise a lot of international customers are going to pass on this upgrade and either retain their ATT Tilt, or switch to the Iphone that DOES support all 3 frequencies. For me a dual band ATT would translate into a NO GO. As simple as that.
witschey said: The ATT version better be triple band 850/1900/2100MHz on the 3G band; or otherwise a lot of international customers are going to pass on this upgrade and either retain their ATT Tilt, or switch to the Iphone that DOES support all 3 frequencies. For me a dual band ATT would translate into a NO GO. As simple as that. Click to expand... Click to collapse I'm right there with you, but not seeing any other tri-band radio versions doesn't bode well IMNSHO....and I seem to recall that AT&T has had several other non-tri-band UMTS phones. Richard
T-Mobile US TP2 in Asia
Finally decided to get a T-Mobile US TP2 Q0. Other than the looks, what else is different between the International Unbranded HTC TP2 and the US T-Mobile TP2 Q1. I've been told the US 3G bands are different from the Asian / UK 3G bands. The Asian bands if I'm not mistaken are "HSDPA 900 / 2100". Can anybody cite the US bands? Also I know that 2100 is common for both US and UK... will that be enough to use 3G in Asia? Q2. Obviously I would need to get the phone SIM unlocked. For once I couldn't find anthing on XDA to unlock the TP2. Any light on that would be great Q3. I noticed that Hard-SPL is now available for TP2. I'm assuming that means I can flash it with any ROM. Would doing that automatically unlock the phone to be used with any SIM? Need answers to these real fast guys... got a good deal on eBay.
0. mostly looks and 3g bands 1. tmobile 3g is strictly for tmobile 3g. anywhere else and its edge for you 2. no free sim-unlocker yet 3. Hardspl is for flashing roms...completely separate from sim cards
Oh man... that sux. I was really hoping that atleast one of the T-mobile bands would be compatible with the Asian 3G bands. Do you have any idea what bands T-Mobile operates on?
HSPA/WCDMA 1700/2100 MHz Note the 2100 band is part of AWS which means it's not compatible with Asia 2100. T-Mobile 3G requires both 1700 and 2100 to operate. One band is upload and one is download. Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE Quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
What exactly is the AWS?
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T-Mobile Tocuh Pro 2
Anyone knows is this phone (USA T-Mobile) works in Europe??
It 100% works on GSM and EDGE (2G and 2.5G) As for 3G, I assume it may work on the 2100 band in Europe (does anyone know enough to clarify on that). However your operator in Europe may work on another band than 2100, since there are two 3G bans in Europe. Generally operators used 2100 first and then subsequent licenses were other bands. So in Norway, I know both 3G carriers use 2100 exclusively, but you should check with your carrier and clarify that T-Mobile USA supports the EU 2100 band and not just AWS (which is a mix of 1700 and 2100).
Thanks for quick reply. 3G works on WCDMA standard? If it is so, my operator use 2100 mhz so maybe it will be working, it will be my first 3G phone so I'm not sure what I suppose to check.
I found this: http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mob...1;jsessionid=2085F63B05DB5B6FFA511D3C33A9EE69 According to this site TMobile touch pro 2 phone use Bands: 1 (2100) & 4 (AWS 1700/2100). Band 1 is Europe standars so I hope it will be wroking. I let you know when I get the phone.
Any particular reason you are getting the USA T-Mobile version and not the EU version or one from a local carrier? Also the T-Mobile version is locked, so you will need to unlock it using the tools on this site. If you get 3G or not should be pretty obvious. If an H or 3G icon appears, you have 3G. Otherwise if the data icon shows E or G then its only getting 2G.
the main reason is the price tmo $450 vs eu $650
Yes main reason is the price. I get this phone for 270$ in my country it coasts about 550$. I know I must unlock it but first I must get it to my hand.
ATT 3G Help me
OK call me foolish but I got fed up with TMobile and switched to ATT because the company offered to pay my data plan to keep me on call. I had been saying no but a billing problem that they refused to fix left me steamed. Anyway, is there anyway to make AT&T 3G work on my Tmobile TP2?
T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2
djteotancolis said: T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2 Click to expand... Click to collapse Let me rephrase that, for all the people that got "confusimacated" at first glance (like me) The T-Mobile TP2 will work on AT&T's system, but it will only be capable of EDGE, and not 3G due to the fact that AT&T's and T-Mobile's 3G service use different frequencies.
Overseas Version I have the overseas HD2 (LEO) which in not branded by T-Mobile. I also have ATT, can i get 3g on it?
at&t 3G is on the WCDMA 850/1900 megahertz bands. The Leo operates on EU frequencies, 900/2100 WCDMA for 3G service. Your Tmobile gets 3G on the 1700 MGHZ band. You need a phone with NA 3G frequencies to get 3G from at&t, and those are 850/1900 WCDMA. None of your devices will see 3G here in NA. Europe operates 3G on 1900 and 2100 and a few on 900 WCDMA, Japan and South Korea are on 2100 WCDMA only and NA is on 850/1900, so you need to be really careful of the hardware you purchase for it to work where you want it to and at the speeds you want. Edge comes on the older GSM frequencies and almost all phones have the 4 GSM frequencies, 850-900-1900-1800, but none have all the GSM and all the WCDMA frequencies, could but don't. Most US phones will have 3 WCDMA frequencies, 850-1900-2100. Better to buy an unlocked tilt 2 or sign an agreeement with at&t for a discounted phone. Good luck.