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Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

unbranded TP2 "not working" on Telstra

I have a TP2 which I got outright and currently has 3 sim. Today I tried my friends Telstra NextG sim and I can't get any service. Tried manual search and also tried changing Band from Automatic to GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850).
Nothing. Also, manual search finds Optus network but not Telsrta.
This is a bit of a bummer cause I was going to switch to Telstra NextG in few weeks.
Would a ROM upgrade fix this? plz help.
Touch Pro 2 (WM 6.5 HTC Rom)
ROM: 1.86.710.3 (67102)
Radio: 4.49.25.17
btw. My friend has a Telstra branded Touch Diamond2

thats quite interesting! telstra are yet to release their 6.5 update, but perhaps getting a copy from your telstra friend when its released will fix this?

My understanding is thtat the unbranded TP2 is a 900/2100 phone. the settings may allow 850/1900 but it will not work. My understanidn is that the nextG version sold by telstra has a different internal antenna setup

The unbranded TP2 is quadband GSM but does not support Telstra 3G. Does Telstra not operate a 2G network? If not then it will not work on Telstra. You need either a Telstra TP2 or a North American TP2 (such as AT&T or some Canadian ones).

yeah Telstra does have 2G, but the whole reason of me switching is the Next G network.
can anyone with an Telstra branded TP2 post their ROM and Radio, plz.
wondering if changing the radio will fix it. I find it hard to believe that HTC manufactures TP2s, as well as Diamond2 or even Touch HD, just for Telstra.

What does A8181 stand for?

According to my "about phone", phone identity, model number, my device model is A8181.
As far as I know, there is A8381 (or something like that too).
Can someone share what is the difference between this two models?
Thanks.

I think it's to do with differentiating between hardware versions. Different markets have different standards, i.e. the US and Japan use a different UTMS frequency for maobile data to the ROW thus might need a slightly different hardware version for full compatibility. Or, there may be a slightly different hardware versions over the life of a product which may come about through the guise of "continuous product improvement".

ljesh said:
As far as I know, there is A8381 (or something like that too).
Can someone share what is the difference between this two models?
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The A8181 and A8183 are essentially identical, except for the radio bands that they support 3G on. For the most part, if you are on Telstra in Australia, Rogers in Canada, or AT&T in the US, you need an A8183 otherwise you need an A8181.
Regards,
Dave

Thanks alot for clearing this up for me

8181 in Australia
I,m in Australia, my desire is a 8181, seems to work like a dream, if the other version is better for Australia then I,d like to know more

I believe you only need the A8183 in Australia if you want to use the phone on Telstra.
Regards,
Dave

Hi,
I have tried searching the forums but I can't seem to find whether the custom ROMs will work with A8181 or A8183.
Thanks!

mynameisnotjames said:
Hi,
I have tried searching the forums but I can't seem to find whether the custom ROMs will work with A8181 or A8183.
Thanks!
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I've flashed DeFrost and OpenDesire and I'm having no problems (got an A8183).
As for the difference between the A8181 and A8183, does anybody know if there's a physical hardware difference between the two?
If it's just a software problem, theoretically, couldn't the radio rom be hacked to use all 3 bands?

it's hardware

Both work fine in Australia on any carrier.
The A8181 works on the 2100mhz frequency which all AUS carriers work on (yes - even Telstra).
The A8183 works on the 850mhz frequency, which is the Telstra NextG frequency, so either model will work on Telstra.
Main advantages of NextG (as claimed by Telstra) are faster data speeds and better coverage compared to 2100mhz.
So, A8181 for 3g and A8183 for NextG.
ROMs arent model specific, however with radio upgrades you may find some suit your carrier/area better than others.

I am using a Telstra Desire with an Optus sim and it works fine. I still get H for connection and it's pretty fast internet. When I have full coverage webpages load in just a second or so, and it's more then fast enough to stream movies and music.

okay, so i've got a newbie question to ask.....mine's A8181, and im in toronto using Rogers, but so far i've been using wifi only, no 3G data plan for me as of now......my question is, is it totally unusable for the 3G with Rogers? cuzi heard ppl told me its still usable, but with a little bit performance deduction....perhaps as not 100% fast as it should be.....anyone got a clue for me?

Black HTC Desire - Work in Australia?

Hey,
I know less than I'd like about networks and what bands work where and what you need to use a phone in Aus, so I'm hoping one of you gents could help me out?
I'm just wondering if I buy this:
http://www.portagadgets.com/australia/product.php?productid=38238&cat=0&page=1
If it will work with my Vodafone sim here in Australia?
Cheers guys.

That link is dead

Wow ok yeah. They must have run out, I guess?

Telstra - 850MHz and 2100MHz
All other carriers 900MHz and 2100Mhz.
Two model of desire:
1. A8181 - 900MHz and 2100Mhz
2. A8183 - 850MHz and 2100MHz
Currently if you buy a desire locally it will be (2) because of Telstras exclusive deal with HTC. You can use this on networks other than Telstra on their 2100MHz networks in major cities, but when this tries to fall back to their rural 900Mhz networks you wont get 3G.
If you get a Desire overseas it will be (1). It will safely work on all non-Telstra netorks. It will also have the advantage of not having Telstra branded firmware, which is cleaner and you will not have to wait for Telstra to release custom firmware.
You can get (1) through grey importers such as mobicity.com.au, but the warranty will be through them, not HTC.
Hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for all that info, that's what I was after
The link is back up, the only thing that concerns me is the differnt 3G freq listed between the black and brown models. But the serial is A8181 so I'll trust that.
Now whether I trust the site is another thing. The only Black Desires were from Orange in the UK, and this is the ONLY place I've seen unlocked versions for sale online, I'm not sure if I'll actually be getting a black one. Their customer service is pretty shoddy, reviews are mixed and all the bad reviews play right into the issues I'm afraid of (misrepresenative stock, not being able to return/exchange)
Anyone had any experience with them?

HTC Desire in USA

Hi everybody, I am going to live in the US for a semester and I want an american number. I found the possibility of buying a Sim Card on T-Mobile and use it with my unlocked phone. The problem is that my phone does not appear in the list of compatible phones. My phone is HTC Desire (Bravo), European model. In the box it appears the following: GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HDSPA/WCDMA 900/2100.
Will I get 3G? I've talked to several operators, each one tells me a different thing. There was even one who asked for my IMEI and told me 3G would work 100% sure. Others tell me that I won't only get EDGE speed.
Who can clarify this? It is REALLY important. I LOVE my cellphone, I don't want one of those prepaid phones that are crap, I'd only buy another phone if it would be better than mine, but they are really expensive and it has no sense to buy a cellphone for 4 months when I have one cellphone that I love.
WHAT CAN I DO? I will use data on a daily basis to connect with my family overseas!

Most of US carriers use 850 and 1900MHz for GSM and 1700 and 1900 for HSPA and WCDMA, so I think you won't have luck with 3G, but the rest will do perfectly.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA