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Jasjar extended_rom manipulating

Did someone of you all talented and gifted people found a way to delete\add programs in the JJ extended rom?
i keep deleting them using the total commander and they keep coming back after a hard reset.
As i understand:
1) All cellular network operator specifications found in the extended rom are taking a lot of memory space that can be freed.
2) The anti-virus program is slowing the whole thing operation as it is allways running on the background.
3) I know other cab files i would like to add to the extended rom in order that they will be installed automatically after a hard reset.
What do you think?

You can find the three cab files for the CA anti-virus, backgammon, and Skype, on the xda ftp site. Go to wiki.xda-developers.com, find the ftp link most of the way down that page, scroll down to Universal, click on the link under Universal uploads, then click on the extended rom folder on the ftp site and Joe Bongo.zip under that.
Use add / remove program to uninstall these three programs - anti-virus, backgammon, and Skype. After they're uninstalled, in turn, tap on the cap file for each of these three apps and when the install dialog comes up, choose to install TO THE SD CARD.
It says there is a problem installing the anti-virus program on the SD, but it's not true, it works fine from the SD card. Putting the three apps anti-virus, backgammon, and Skype on the SD card frees up about 4.2MB of space in ROM (storage).
Don't hard reset and these apps won't wind up back in the ROM. You don't need to hard reset unless you are installing an new ROM.
Alternately, you can go the more involved route in the link below to free up a little more space. If you get the Joe Bongo extended ROM, you'll see that there are 7 other cab files in the extended ROM. They take up about 0.5 MB of space. I'm not going to hard reset my device to save 0.5 MB of ROM space, because it's not that much space and I'll lose all of my settings on hard reset.
http://wiki.howardforums.com/pocketpc/index.php/Selectively_Bypassing_the_Extended_ROM
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Hi cool_case and thank you for your reply
what i wanted is something totaly different
1) i wanted to delete the files i do not need from the extended rom (to free up some memory)
2) i wanted to add programs i do need, to the extended rom (to make installation automatic after a hard reset)
as you probably know, when i remove programs allready installed (like the anti-virus) i am never 100% sure what registry changes were made (altough i am deleting all changes i know of, using a registry editor).

Hi aseptic,
One of the xda-developers aces will be fairly like to figure out how to create a special ROM image that doesn't have have the extended ROM stuff in it. You may be familar with the Anansky hack (and later easier methods) posted in early summer here for the xda mini (JAM) that freed up about 27MB of 'storage'.

okay i will be waiting

The thing about deleting things from the extended rom to free up memory is that the extended rom is already partitioned so deleting things from the extended rom will not actually free up space. It will only prevent the deleted things from installing the next time you hard reset.
We will need some sort of other hack to free up this partitioned space (big storage hack). Just deleting them from the extended rom will not do what you're hoping for.

This WORKED for me!!
Following the instructions listed on this page I was able to reclaim 15M+ for Storage and Programs on my JasJar.
http://wiki.howardforums.com/pocketpc/index.php/Selectively_Bypassing_the_Extended_ROM
Not to bore you guys with result details here is how it played out with application installation:
After hard reset with Extended ROM bypass (eliminating Backgammon/Antivirus/Skype)
Storage 39.52 Program 28.27
After first ActiveSync 4.1 Storage 34.53 Program 21.29
Installs with soft reset after each:
Resco File Explorer Storage 33.31 Program 21.39 (?)
SPB Imageer ' 30.03 21.35
Pocket Artist 3 28.08 21.55
Listpro 4 27.24 21.45
PhatPad 26.42 20.84
MS Pocket Streets 5 25.92 20.75
TCPMP 24.28 20.25
Magic Button 24.15 20.44
NewsBreak 23.32 20.25
also on 2G SD Card Pocket Informant / MS Reader / Weather Panel
Sync includes 1,235 Contacts / 3 years of Calendar / 2 years of email (3 accounts) (attachments on SD) etc.
Bottom line Storage 19.67 Program 14.86
I wouldn't consider this too shabby.
Darn sight better than with the fluff on Extended ROM.
Hopefully this may be of interest
Noel

Thanks for the link to the hofo wiki with the very clear instructions for bypassing the extended_ROM installation.
What I had done before was use add-remove programs to remove Backgammon, the CA anti-virus, and Skype. Then, I used the cab files for these three apps found on the xda ftp site to install these three to the SD. This saved about 4.2MB of storage. People had said that this method didn't really remove the apps from ROM.
But, that's apparently not the case. I followed the instructions for bypassing the extended ROM installation above and wound up with about 1MB more of "storage" memory than was obtained by just removing the three apps above manually using add-remove. So, the method above works is a little better, because while you can manually remove the backgammon, anti-virus and skype, you can't manually remove the carrier settings.
Another good thing came of doing this -- Sunnysoft backup did a nice job of restoring settings, including Today Screen plug-in settings Haven't found any omissions yet, but as I don't sync pim data, can't comment on whether Sunnysoft does that.
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Dash memory issue

Hello folks,
I currently have an Excalibur (Dash) phone. Does anyone know or happen to have a workaround fix to re-direct temporary memory or available memory to the storage card instead? I just keep getting "memory is full" issue whenever I try to start my camera phone even though I've already close down all app running.
Thanks in advance

Check Applications Installed
It seems that there are various applications on your Dash which are installed on phone memory itself. Normally, while installing an application, it asks if you want to install it on phone or storage card. Best way is to install them on storage card, but remember if you ever replace your storage card, the installed apps will not work and you will have to reinstall them. Also, if you are using email software on it to download mail and attachments, you can change settings so that they are stored on storage card.
I suggest to check your phone for apps which are installed on it and remove the ones you feel are no longer needed. Alternately if you decide to keep them, uninstall them and reinstall them on your storage card. But remember, any data or settings generated through those apps will not be available once you uninstall them.
Hope it provides some pointers.
Cheers,
KC

Great advise KC! I will check those and let you know if I am still having the same issue.
Cheers!!

Is there an app to check which apps were installed on the 'storage card' vs. 'device?

I periodically go into modes in which I need to clean clean clean my computers and gadgets and I was wondering if there was an app or something out there to detect which of my installed programs have been installed on the Storage Card and which have been installed on the Device.
I'd basically like to find what I truly need to install on the Device and reinstall everything else on the Storage Card to save Device disk space.
Thanks in advance for any tips.

Don't quote me on this, but I think DinarSoft MemMaid has something like this. I had it at one time on an old phone of mine. I seem to remember not only having this functionality, but being able to change to and from the other storage (from Main-> Card and Vice verse).
It may have been program specific, but It's definatly worth looking into.
if you goto the following link and go down to "Storage Memory" (maybe a little more then 1/2 down the page), it says that it does have the ability to see "What and Where" things are installed.
http://www.dinarsoft.com/memmaid/details.html
Hope it helps.

I could be wrong but if you open File Explorer and look in the Programs folder on "My device" you'll see all stuff installed on device memory and if you look on your storage card there is also a Programs folder with all the programs installed there. Perhaps I misunderstood your question and this isn't helpful - in that case, sorry!

barbo said:
I could be wrong but if you open File Explorer and look in the Programs folder on "My device" you'll see all stuff installed on device memory and if you look on your storage card there is also a Programs folder with all the programs installed there. Perhaps I misunderstood your question and this isn't helpful - in that case, sorry!
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Actually this was the original problem. Programs installed on the memory card will not only put files in the Program Files folders on the Storage Card, but can also install some in the Device Program Files folder, the Device Documents and Settings folder and even in the Windows folders.
Someone from PPCGeeks recommended using SKTools to figure this out and behold: not only a way to see where the install folder is, but you can move it to the card from the device and vice-versa if wanted!

How to determine where programs are installed?

Ok this might seem like a total noob question, but please bare with me for a quick sec...
I have a stock 6.5/2.1 TP2 and I somehow ran completely out of internal memory! I couldn't even receive texts. I know I have lots and lots of text messages, about 1000 contacts, and a few emails on my phone, but I have NO media whatsoever stored on the phone. In fact, I only have a couple visible files on the phone that are larger than 1MB. I did delete a bunch of visual voicemails and that got me about 10MB back. I ran a level 3 Clean Ram, message purge, soft reset, all that jazz but I still have less than 11MB left. Where is all my storage space going?!
Anyhoo I did install some programs to my internal memory, but can someone tell me if there's a way to tell which programs are installed to your phone memory and which are installed to your external storage??? That was really my question

U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.

You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.

ridolfo said:
You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.
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darkic said:
U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate it!

when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.

dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out

marduk79 said:
when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.
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Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......

XERO_Racer said:
dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out
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Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.

I remember awhile back, a guy wrote a program that automatically deleted bloatware from stock AT&T rom's. I searched and to my knowledge no one has done the same for T-Mobile or other rom's. Does anyone know of such a program or a method of deleting apps that won't show up in uninstall menus?

darkic said:
Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......
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Thank you for the correction.

a2002cmacg said:
Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.
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There are advanced settings in Opera that allow one to set the cache to the storage card. Do a search.

TP2 Storage Full ?

I have a Sprint Touch Pro 2 with stock WinMO 6.5. Recently when trying to watch youtube vids I get an error stating "Storage Full".
I have a 4GB microSD card that I install most of my stuff on. The onboard memory shows:
OS Memory = 512MB
Total Storage = 192.80 MB
Used Storage = 185.16 MB
Free Storage = 7.65 MB
OS Program Memory = 288 MB
Total Program = 183.18 MB
Used Program = 105.80 MB
Free Program = 77.38 MB
I'm not a techie so I'm not really sure what the difference is between the OS Memory and the OS Program Memory. I've removed some of the programs from the remove program feature under the settings tab. But it hasn't freed up any space. I've soft reset the device and also ran cleanram on setting #3.
What do I need to do to free up space? I used the file explorer to see if I could locate any items bloating my storage space but had no luck.
Anyone?

Total Storage = 192.80 MB
Used Storage = 185.16 MB
Free Storage = 7.65 MB
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theres your problem, you need to delete or uninstall things that are installed to the device, not the storage card, check in My Documents, you might have a lot to delete in there
i noticed when i sync files with my PC using activesync it tends to double up a lot of them every time i sync, so ill have this:
Ringtone.wav
Ringtone (1).wav
Ringtone (1) (1).wav
Ringtone (2).wav
also you can look in program files to see what apps are installed to the device rather than the storage card (look in \Program File\ not \Storage Card\Program Files\)

defaultdotxbe said:
theres your problem, you need to delete or uninstall things that are installed to the device, not the storage card, check in My Documents, you might have a lot to delete in there
i noticed when i sync files with my PC using activesync it tends to double up a lot of them every time i sync, so ill have this:
Ringtone.wav
Ringtone (1).wav
Ringtone (1) (1).wav
Ringtone (2).wav
also you can look in program files to see what apps are installed to the device rather than the storage card (look in \Program File\ not \Storage Card\Program Files\)
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Thats the thing though. My documents really doesn't have much in it. No music, videos, ringtones, etc. There are a few stray files in the "My Documents" root that might total 100k. Is there a specific folder on the "Device" that shows the installed prgrams to internal memory? And if so is it safe to just delete the folders or should I use in uninstall feature of some type?

anything installed to the device will be installed to \Program Files\ and if there is an uninstall option use that, if not it should be ok to delete the folder if you dont use the app, i dont know what all get installed with the stock sprint rom
and on that note, it might not be a bad idea to look into custom roms, i use energy rom myself (also on a sprint TP2)

Well I went into programs files and found a few stray pieces of software that I originally downlaoded via marketplace. These did not show up in the remove prgram area of the setting menu.
I also found a temp directory that had a lot of facebook album photos cached there. That freed up a little more space. Now it shows I have 20.5MB free. I'll have to scan more directoried and see if I can find more garbage to get rid of.
Thanks.

blackwaterstout said:
Well I went into programs files and found a few stray pieces of software that I originally downlaoded via marketplace. These did not show up in the remove prgram area of the setting menu.
I also found a temp directory that had a lot of facebook album photos cached there. That freed up a little more space. Now it shows I have 20.5MB free. I'll have to scan more directoried and see if I can find more garbage to get rid of.
Thanks.
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Clear your browser cache. That helped me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681365