Can TP2 480x800 screen display old QVGA apps? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

I currently have an HTC Touch Pro (version 1) that displays in QVGA and VGA mode. I have numerous shareware apps that I have bought over the years that I greatly value; they all display in QVGA (240x320) mode. Those apps correspond to the era of Windows Mobile 5.0 or 6.1. As such, all the apps display perfectly on the Touch Pro; that is, the programs occupy the entire screen properly.
I am considering to upgrade to an HTC TP-2 (version 2) which has a 480x800 screen. This would be a ATT TILT 2 on Rogers, with the native WinMo 6.1 - or probably won't upgrade later to 6.5 I am curious how my legacy apps will display on this screen.
1) Will my old apps stretch to fully occupy the 480x800? or
2) Would the apps leave a blank strip above or below?
3) Are there any popular shareware apps that are known to not fit this screen properly?
4) If an app fits in portrait mode, then will it always rotate properly to fully fit landscape mode?
Thanks in advance ...

Skeleton said:
I currently have an HTC Touch Pro (version 1) that displays in QVGA and VGA mode. I have numerous shareware apps that I have bought over the years that I greatly value; they all display in QVGA (240x320) mode. Those apps correspond to the era of Windows Mobile 5.0 or 6.1. As such, all the apps display perfectly on the Touch Pro; that is, the programs occupy the entire screen properly.
I am considering to upgrade to an HTC TP-2 (version 2) which has a 480x800 screen. This would be a ATT TILT 2 on Rogers, with the native WinMo 6.1 - or probably won't upgrade later to 6.5 I am curious how my legacy apps will display on this screen.
1) Will my old apps stretch to fully occupy the 480x800? or
2) Would the apps leave a blank strip above or below?
3) Are there any popular shareware apps that are known to not fit this screen properly?
4) If an app fits in portrait mode, then will it always rotate properly to fully fit landscape mode?
Thanks in advance ...
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1) some might. It depends on the app
2) some will. PTVL (pocket tv listings) leaves a blank strip (sometimes filled with remnants of the previously viewed app) by default unless you reskin it for other resolutions. Sadly, not all apps made to run on lower resolutions will have a skinning option
4) not always.
I asked some similar questions before I bought my TP2. I received similar answers, and my experience so far has confirmed them. I'm sorry the answers aren't more definite.

Your ATT tilt2 will come with Windows 6.5 right out of the box. I am currently running one on Rogers as well and it works fine.

Skeleton said:
I currently have an HTC Touch Pro (version 1) that displays in QVGA and VGA mode. I have numerous shareware apps that I have bought over the years that I greatly value; they all display in QVGA (240x320) mode. Those apps correspond to the era of Windows Mobile 5.0 or 6.1. As such, all the apps display perfectly on the Touch Pro; that is, the programs occupy the entire screen properly.
I am considering to upgrade to an HTC TP-2 (version 2) which has a 480x800 screen. This would be a ATT TILT 2 on Rogers, with the native WinMo 6.1 - or probably won't upgrade later to 6.5 I am curious how my legacy apps will display on this screen.
1) Will my old apps stretch to fully occupy the 480x800? or
2) Would the apps leave a blank strip above or below?
3) Are there any popular shareware apps that are known to not fit this screen properly?
4) If an app fits in portrait mode, then will it always rotate properly to fully fit landscape mode?
Thanks in advance ...
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theres a program called wvgafix3 that works great for adjusting the screen resolution of the touch pro 2. there are a few apps, that i used to run on my mogul and touch pro, that wont auto adjust when installed to the new 480x800 res. using this app allows you to change the screen resolution to whats required to run those other apps properly. check it out...here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455974

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Is //Virtual// Vga mode for Artemis possible???

As i have searched on internet there is hack for Htc Athena for Vga mode.(640x480)
can this be done with some software hack for Htc Artemis someway (even virtually, only to have smaller icons on screen, and when opening Web browser to have virtual 640x480 resolution) ???
VGA = 640x480 pixels
QVGA = 320x240 pixels
You cannot make a QVGA device sudenly into VGA not possible - Mike
Athena is a vga device and the hack is to make old non vga aware programs run fullscreen
making every pixel fill out 4 pixels
artemis is a qvga device only hack it could do with vga would be to omit every other pixel
resulting it well still beig a qvga device
lcd's pixels are a spc size unlike old crt where the size of the phosper being bomb'd by the electron beam and be adjusted
lcd's cant ever make it's 320x240 display more info then 320 rows and 240 columns of colours
There is a program called ozVGA that was used for that purpose I think. I used it on my old HP Ipaq rx3715 and it worked partially. It made the fonts smaller, harder to read and a little blurry. I think in IE I could see more and that was the reason I was using it. But since there are Browsers with zoom functions I had no use for this program any more.
Be sure to make a backup before you use this tool. It messes heavily with the registry. If you aren't an expert you won't get around a hard reset if you fail.
Abt The Zoom Browser
I asked this exactly for watching bigger piece of web pages... So what browser do u thing should I use to have Zooming function.
Thanks in Advance
Opera Mini, Opera Mobile or Netfront.

[APP] TouchFlow Detacher

TouchFlo Detacher is yet another way to simultaneously have TouchFlo 3D and the regular Today screen. Previous excellent solutions include SecondToday and ManilaControl.
Description
So what makes it different? Well, this app is actually very similar to MastSogo's ManilaControl. The main difference is that the author plans to actively develop it for a while, whereas ManilaControl has been a bit frozen in development for a few months. It is also open source, licensed under the Ms-RL. The program is on CodePlex, so download speeds should be much better than the average rapidshare link. Finally, it is in English and not Spanish. Other than that, it's just another solution for the same problem!
See it in action on the YouTubes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0xWm8PMGQ
Download the CAB and source code here: http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher
Installation
As explained on CodePlex...
1. Install the CAB
2. Run the configuration app
3. Enable all the standard Today Items you want to use
4. Do not re-enable TouchFlo 3D in the Today items (if you do, it will undo all your other Today plugins)
Requirements
Windows Mobile 6.1
.Net Compact Framework 2.0
A device that runs TouchFlo3D / Manila
Current features
- Free up your Today screen by hosting Manila outside of the Today screen! TouchFlo Detacher can launch/show/hide/close Manila independent of any other Today screen settings. Now you can have your TouchFlo cake and eat it too! The most obvious use is to assign a soft key to toggle between seeing TouchFlo and seeing the regular Today screen.
- Service runs as a background application (in your StartUp folder) for maximum speed when toggling Manila modes.
- NO ANNOYING SPLASH SCREEN when application launches.
- Service is 100% idle when not receiving messages or controlling TouchFlo, so no CPU is wasted! (Just a tiny bit of RAM)
- Configuration application allows modifying manila.exe location, manila window class, and more, so that this utility can (presumably) be used with other manila versions (such as TouchFlo 2D). This is untested. Out of the box, it supports TouchFlo 3D in its default configuration as seen on the Diamond/Pro/HD.
- Configuration application can clean out the ManilaActivateToday.exe from the notification queue. (That app can interefere with TouchFlo Detacher's operation.)
- Shortcuts to start/show Manila, hide Manila, and close Manila. These can be assigned to hardware buttons (if your device has them) or virtual hardware buttons through the use of 3rd party applications such as AE Button Plus.
- Configuration application can customize the softkeys in both Today and TouchFlo's Home tab. You can use it to not only assign TouchFlo Detacher operations (show/hide/close), but any other application on your device.
I want only to say many thanks for that cab it works very good on my Touch HD ... Great App cardefbel
THE best piece of software I've downloaded. Used it on both Touch Diamond and Touch HD and love it!
Perfect - thanks
Thanks for this awesome app....
Would I be correct in thinking that with your app I can go all out on WAD2 or something and still be able to switch back and forth between WAD2 and Touchflo without all the hassle?
Thanks. Downloaded, installed, and be able to switch between TF3D and my old style today with Spb Diary.
jacklam said:
Would I be correct in thinking that with your app I can go all out on WAD2 or something and still be able to switch back and forth between WAD2 and Touchflo without all the hassle?
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This is not my application, but I realy love it and would share it with y'all.
Is it also possible to have TF3D together with SPB today screen combined whit SPB mobile shell?
Hi Guys,
i add a screenshoot just to share with you the result of this great app.
i have one question, maybe someone of you have the same problem.
i am running the "non TF3D" screen with Resco today plugin and launcher.....if i try to put a background (via setting Today, use picture as background...) no matter which kind of picture i choose, they are opaque.
cant figure out a solution.
thanks and Ciao!
that app is very great. but i got ine problem that the home icon button dont's work, it just has the force feedback.
giangishanghai said:
Hi Guys,
i add a screenshoot just to share with you the result of this great app.
i have one question, maybe someone of you have the same problem.
i am running the "non TF3D" screen with Resco today plugin and launcher.....if i try to put a background (via setting Today, use picture as background...) no matter which kind of picture i choose, they are opaque.
cant figure out a solution.
thanks and Ciao!
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hey guy,
can you share with us how you achieve your today screen as you attached?
it is nice.
Sounds great, will keep an eye on this one!
giangishanghai said:
Hi Guys,
i add a screenshoot just to share with you the result of this great app.
i have one question, maybe someone of you have the same problem.
i am running the "non TF3D" screen with Resco today plugin and launcher.....if i try to put a background (via setting Today, use picture as background...) no matter which kind of picture i choose, they are opaque.
cant figure out a solution.
thanks and Ciao!
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Look at the this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468215&highlight=today+background+transparent
It solves your problem.
cardefbel said:
Look at the this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468215&highlight=today+background+transparent
It solves your problem.
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Thanks cardefbel !!!
i can tell that this is the best suggestion i have never got in this forum.
you have got the point at the first shot!!!!!! and i have my second today with a brilliant background.
of course thanks to chaosdefinesorder that playing with the device have found out the problem.
for those are asking about my second today:
Resco today plugin
Resco explorer 2008
that's it.
ciao!
Looks great!
I have tried WAD2 and Spb Mobile Shell and I like many of the things that those things bring that TF3D doesn't. I like them both, but I have not been able to break away from the TF3D which is one of the major factors I purchased the phone. Now I can have my cake and eat it too. We'll give it a shot! Thanks.
Update - I loaded it and it seems to work great. I loaded back my Spb Mobile Shell and seems to be working nicely between. It did take a few tweaks, but it is running fine. One thing however is that when I am back in TF3D my hard home key doesn't work to bring me back to the TF3D home. Any ideas?
Thanks for the program cardefbel but I am having a problem with it....notice that if I'm using the SPB screen it won't go back to TF3D after 15mins.....if I want my TF3D i need to reboot it.....but if I on the TF3D I can swap to SPB anytime.....
absolutely excellent, having my appointments on the screen with a 1 button press to TF3D is awesome
WingZer0n said:
Thanks for the program cardefbel but I am having a problem with it....notice that if I'm using the SPB screen it won't go back to TF3D after 15mins.....if I want my TF3D i need to reboot it.....but if I on the TF3D I can swap to SPB anytime.....
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Are you using SPB mobile shell or SPB pocket plus. I tried to reproduce it with SPB mobile shell, but the switching to TF3D worked for me after 15 mins.
BTW, it's not a program I wrote, found it on the net and realy liked it.
I have a problem with WEATHER page
I have started the program
il works perfectly BUT
if i go in the weather page, under TF3D, he changes automatically to today.
Any idea ????
mikeputich said:
One thing however is that when I am back in TF3D my hard home key doesn't work to bring me back to the TF3D home. Any ideas?
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Same issue here .. If anyone has a key..
I prefer to have this button for TF3D Home instead of going back to Today

[DISCUSSION] Can we live without Manila/TouchFlo?

I've been toying with the idea of changing to a WM6.5 based ROM, either Miri's or Davideuck's, but I'm so happy with Dutty's Xtreme ROMs that it's going to be a wrench if I do. I love the functionality of TF3D but find it annoying that you have to have a 3rd party UI running on top of Windows just to get a reasonable-looking and easy-to-navigate interface.
The thing that bugs me is the whole Titanium vs Manila thing. Personally, I can't see the point in having both TF3D and the Titanium home screen installed on the phone at the same time.
The Titanium home screen is simple and elegant but links to standard naff-looking WinMo apps (calendar, photos) whilst TF3D has eye-candy aplenty and quite usable and functional manila apps built-in like the calendar, weather and contacts browser (especially in the newest, prettier versions). I'm aware that we can run certain HTC apps within Titanium (Calculator/Album/Camera/etc), but the experience then feels disjointed and not cohesive at all.
So my question (and point for discussion) is this: Can we ever envisage a time when HTC's (or whomever's) bolt-on UIs are not required? Will MS ever produce a UI that is pretty and easy to navigate? Or will we always have to rely on 3rd party apps just to make our phones usable without the need for a stylus?
I quite like the new titanium, don't miss manila at all. Using Miri's 7.2 standard.
I think it will be WM7 that should/will get rid of the stylus once and for all.
The new start menu is more aesthetically appealing, but i find it less functional than the new start menu in manila, my issues w/ the new start menu in manila, is that noone has made a background for all cabs for this version yet, and htc should really have included this by default, seems kind of dumb to me to have only wallpaper support for the home tab.
I've found that even though its monochromatic, i prefer tf3d v2 and its new notifications, context menu's and additional tabs on tf3d more than i prefer what MS has done w/ wm 6.5.
What i like about wm 6.5 is that it gives the visual impression that you have more screen real estate due to the transparent top & bottom bars, but sadly that's only on the start bar & today screens. I also like the new lock screen, and the icons throughout the system, smoother, better antialiasing.
I also miss the ability to select multiple files in file explorer, but i find that functionality has been gone for a while, once the kinetic scrolling was introduced, the ability to block select multiple files was lost. I know that other 3rd party file managers have the functionality built in, but you lose the visual cohesivehness with the operating system.
even though they take up the whole screen and are again monochromatic, i don't know why but i prefer the htc context menus to the wm 6.5 one's, i'm not sure if its the font type or size which could be part of it, but i think the wm 6.5 context menus looks less visually cohesive, even though it shares the theme of the OS.
I honestly am glad that HTC put out the tf3d v2, i wasn't particularly impressed by v1, and took it off the device as soon as i got it, resigned to have to deal w/ wm's ugliness, and millions of menu's, but i think v2 is a noble effort, they've certainly made me enjoy my Touch HD more. a
whole lot more.
Also prefer the HTC calculator, and HTC dialer to the stock MS one's. I'm just over the moon w/ tf3d v2, and i'm also running Miri's rom.
DRTigerlilly said:
The new start menu is more aesthetically appealing, but i find it less functional than the new start menu in manila, my issues w/ the new start menu in manila, is that noone has made a background for all cabs for this version yet, and htc should really have included this by default, seems kind of dumb to me to have only wallpaper support for the home tab. ...
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There is background for all tabs available. mun_rus works great for me and there is another cab available to have both the old start menu and programs tab.
Quite so, but the BG for all tabs doesn't extend to the new Start Menu.
Ive been using Onkolos light WM 6.5 since friday and love it. I havnt used Manila as I like the new Titanium but I have installed Yota contacts and dialer as I dont like the windows contacts and the dialer is faster.
Downside is they dont work in landscape mode but Im using changescreen at the moment to experiment getting windows to rotate but not dialer & contacts. I would prefer to use flip it but didnt know what to enter for windows rotation.
I prefer touch flo and the way htc have tried to hide the boring style of the windows interface. I love all the new htc menus, skins, finger friendly apps etc.
I tried 6.5 but after a while reverted back to manilla because in 6.5 it was still the old interface below. Only the home page and menus had changed. I also tried 6.5 with some htc updated replacement skins and apps but did not like the mix of two styles and preferred to have a consistant theme throughout.
Am using the new topaz manilla 2 - davideuck v5 and am very happy with it and sticking with it. Manilla all the way...
Major_Sarcasm said:
Quite so, but the BG for all tabs doesn't extend to the new Start Menu.
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what you do is that you set the background wallpaper for the "today" screen as the same background wallpaper for your tabs, and it will be the same. An extra step, I know, but this also extends to your WM6.5 lock screen as well.
skulk3r said:
what you do is that you set the background wallpaper for the "today" screen as the same background wallpaper for your tabs, and it will be the same. An extra step, I know, but this also extends to your WM6.5 lock screen as well.
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Major_Sarcasm & myself are referring to the new htc start menu in wm 6.1 not wm 6.5
Having tried various flavors of it, I don't give a bean about Titanium (MS in general); I find it cumbersome. TouchFlo to me is simple and efficent enough. Now, if there is a Zune phone (with at least 120 gb), that will be the day.
aabye said:
Having tried various flavors of it, I don't give a bean about Titanium (MS in general); I find it cumbersome. TouchFlo to me is simple and efficent enough. Now, if there is a Zune phone (with at least 120 gb), that will be the day.
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manila unfortunately comes with a price.....major hi-jack of memory.
no a problem for me,remember we had pda's before manilla ...
Hi, I have bought pocketshield and found it doesn't work in all applications as manila is set as part of my start process. To make all apps work with pocketshield, am I safe removing manila - sorry to be dim but what is it giving me that touchflo doesn't..?
YES, PointUI
I have to say I'm in the Manila camp. Especially the latest versions of Manila from custom ROMs.
It's good looking, and functional.
And with each new version it goes deeper and deeper into hiding the ugly WinMo interface, which is a big plus for me. Also, I have to say that Manila has been surprisingly solid when it comes to speed and stability, especially for someone like me who's constantly digging around the _manila files and playing with them
The biggest minus for me personally is that HTC didn't take in account that people may want to change the colors and graphics, so visual customization is major PITA.
band27 said:
manila unfortunately comes with a price.....major hi-jack of memory.
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I have no more than 20-30% free memory, and my device is very fast and stable. Memory is there to be used, why else did you pay for it?
vangrieg said:
I have no more than 20-30% free memory, and my device is very fast and stable. Memory is there to be used, why else did you pay for it?
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I couldn't agree more. I don't see a point in saving up free memory. As long as I can run 2-3 large applications simultaneously and still be able to answer a call or read an SMS, I'm perfectly happy with my device.
Zepiii said:
YES, PointUI
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Exactly. It's amazing what it can do
I'm the biggest fan of it
HastaSSSS
im not a fan of the titanium in 6.5 , i like manila better, but i like pointUI even better as the same for ms3 wich i use the most
I rather quite like touchflow as it give you all of the main features of a phone such as the touch HD without the need to run different apps (ie can view newest text messages without running the ms messaging app).
as for if MS will ever make a really nice UI, i think by winmo 7, MS will have to hav made a new UI (because of pressure from iphone OS) and then, as a major release, all the regular apps (windows media player, album etc) will also get a facelift, with the former already having been confirmed for a new release.
thats what i think anyway...

HTC Grid start menu without full touch-flo?

Hi,
I have turned off touch flo (various reasons, mostly because im quicker with the default windows mobile interface for mail / sms thank with the touch flow 'pretty' one).
The one thing i LOVED about the new touch-flo though was the HTC start menu, with a grid of apps and a nice interface to add/remove them. Its much nicer than the default WM one.
My question is
1. Does anyone know how to turn on the HTC start menu without turning on the rest of touch flo3d?
2. Are there any 3rd party apps (preferably free) that have the same functionality (grid of available apps) which can replace the built in one?
ps. Loving the touch pro 2 to bits - by far the best phone ive ever had...
g

Any other UI's except TF3D??

Please name any other UI's (or full today screen plugins like TF3D)!!
which work on Touch HD!!
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Please name any other UI's (or full today screen plugins like TF3D)!!
which work on Touch HD!!
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There are plenty:
1. IPhone Today (Ver. 1.2.5) - can be found in "Developement and Hacking" in the general section. There is a cab for wvga resolution. Works great, highly customizable and very fast (at least as fast as the IPhone swipe speed). Works great with icons by Reflect. I highly recommend. BTW - follow the manual to install (not only cab installation)..
2. SPB Mobile Shell 3.0.1 - Great UI. I also use an additional package called "Sense le Revolution v.2" which simulates the Sense UI of the HTC Hero (search the threads to find link to this). There is also Android UI's and IPhone.. Those can be found on www.mobilecustom.fr/forum though you need to know french (or use Google translate.. )
3. Throttle Launcher - free UI, customizable. I left TL since it did not work very well after an upgrade to a higher version.
4. WAD2 (WisBar Advance Desktop 2) - very customizable and there are many ready UI designed by people (search the threads). I left WAD2 since it is very heavy and does not respond well..
4. Point UI - I tried it for five minutes and left it.. Did not like it at all..
I have three UI's running on my Touch HD - IPhone Today on my today screen, SPB MS3 with Sense v.2 (there is a button to show Today screen - this is how to change to IPhone UI) and I changed Softkey number 1 (with SKTools) to get TF3D to start (by starting Manila.exe)..
Eat this IPhone.. This phone just keeps going, no matter what you throw at it..
Good luck..

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