tmobile tp2 - does 3G work in Europe? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

i see specs: 1700/2100, and it is 2100 band in europe
can anyone prove 3g works well in europe?

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aZzz.bZzz said:
i see specs: 1700/2100, and it is 2100 band in europe
can anyone prove 3g works well in europe?
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From what I understand the 2100 frequency band in Europe is different than the one in the US. Typically 3G needs both freqs (1700 & 2100) to work properly.
So I don't think you'll get 3G in Europe from a TMo US TP2. Just my take.
Cyph

I second that, in TMO US3G u need 1700/2100 to work.

I actually heard that it did work just fine over there, with an international phone (such as the TP2), but just keep in mind, I've heard stories of people leaving on their data connection and coming back to the US with a bill at about $2,000.

So are we all just going to assume that the original poster is referring to TMobile US ?
I mean, his location is not US and TMobile is a German company that has interests all over the world.
This board may have the rule that you should post in English but there is a world (most of it in fact) outside the USA you know.
Or do you, it's questionable

dik23 said:
So are we all just going to assume that the original poster is referring to TMobile US ?
I mean, his location is not US and TMobile is a German company that has interests all over the world.
This board may have the rule that you should post in English but there is a world (most of it in fact) outside the USA you know.
Or do you, it's questionable
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Actually, his profile says he's from Kazikstan

dik23 said:
So are we all just going to assume that the original poster is referring to TMobile US ?
I mean, his location is not US and TMobile is a German company that has interests all over the world.
This board may have the rule that you should post in English but there is a world (most of it in fact) outside the USA you know.
Or do you, it's questionable
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He's quoting specs for T-MoUSA 3G bands 1700/2100 -- only T-Mo USA runs 3G on that pair of bands. What else can we assume other than T-Mo USA???
Obviously that assumtion has absolutely nothing to do with the language he's post in since everyone from China to Chile post in English here.
Assume you knew that...or do you?

I'm not criticizing the language posts are made in. Of course English is the world language (although Spanish is the language spoken by the largest number of countries).
I am criticizing the fact that it only seems to be posters from the US who will fail to mention which country their mobile network is from. Especially TMobile users since that company has interests in a number of countries under the same name. And then the people who reply all assume that they're talking about the US.
I mean, someone from Germany would have mentioned that they're on TMobile Germany, for instance
Seems a rather inwards looking attitude when this is an international board. A quick look on the Google machine will show that US mobile networks don't make up a very large percentage of the total world usage

yeah, guys, im speaking about tmous tp2
since 3g in kazakhstan is planning to start working by 2nd Q 2010, im asking about the ability of its usage on my device.
and yes, ive heard about 2100 band is only for download, and 1700 is necessary anyway. so, im asking to ensure its true. and it will be very pity if it is.
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I actually heard that it did work just fine over there, with an international phone (such as the TP2)
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i guess youre talking about cdma tp2 (vzw and sprint) which are quad band 3g
anyone here from europe using TMOUS TP2?

I am in Turkey and 3G works fine for me on my T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 maybe this information will work for u

dik23 said:
I'm not criticizing the language posts are made in. Of course English is the world language (although Spanish is the language spoken by the largest number of countries).
I am criticizing the fact that it only seems to be posters from the US who will fail to mention which country their mobile network is from. Especially TMobile users since that company has interests in a number of countries under the same name. And then the people who reply all assume that they're talking about the US.
I mean, someone from Germany would have mentioned that they're on TMobile Germany, for instance
Seems a rather inwards looking attitude when this is an international board. A quick look on the Google machine will show that US mobile networks don't make up a very large percentage of the total world usage
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No, you're wrong -- most posters don't explicitly mention in their post where they're located (including you). Many people already have it included in the info in the upper right of the post -- including me. And yet you say that that USA posters don't indicate where they're located. Is there a piece of dirt or food on your monitor covering the spot where my location says "Bend, Oregon" and the USA flag is showing???
Seems like it would be best if personal-political attitudes could be kept out of this nice forum. You know...there are forums about politics where you might be able to contribute.

Yes, 3G works in Germany and EU
aZzz.bZzz said:
yeah, guys, im speaking about tmous tp2
since 3g in kazakhstan is planning to start working by 2nd Q 2010, im asking about the ability of its usage on my device.
and yes, ive heard about 2100 band is only for download, and 1700 is necessary anyway. so, im asking to ensure its true. and it will be very pity if it is.
i guess youre talking about cdma tp2 (vzw and sprint) which are quad band 3g
anyone here from europe using TMOUS TP2?
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To answer your question, YES, 3G works here in Germany. When I got my TMoUS TP2 shipped to me in September, I put my DE T-Mobile SIM in it, and it worked out-of-the-box, no SIM unlock needed. I live near Mainz and travel to Frankfurt, and get 3G connections all the time.
Hopefully this helps answer your question.
Cheers!
Lando

thank you guys, that was what i wanted to hear
germany and turkey are using euro 3g bands, so it will work in kazakhstan as well

MCbrian said:
Seems like it would be best if personal-political attitudes could be kept out of this nice forum. You know...there are forums about politics where you might be able to contribute.
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I have no idea how you have managed to drag politics into this. I have said what I think is a problem and how it might be improved. I have not given my details here because they're not important here. I get a local network sim whenever I land and so my questions aren't necessarily all based around a single country or network.
Are people from Bend referred as "Benders"? lol

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No, you're wrong -- most posters don't explicitly mention in their post where they're located (including you). Many people already have it included in the info in the upper right of the post -- including me. And yet you say that that USA posters don't indicate where they're located. Is there a piece of dirt or food on your monitor covering the spot where my location says "Bend, Oregon" and the USA flag is showing???
Seems like it would be best if personal-political attitudes could be kept out of this nice forum. You know...there are forums about politics where you might be able to contribute.
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Saying that personal-political attitudes should be kept out of these forums is a personal-political attitude.

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difference between TP2 uk and TP2 US or TP2 Asia?

I am from the Philippines and I am planning to get one. The nearest I could find was this:
http://www.expansys.com.hk/d.aspx?i=179097
But it is the UK version, is there any difference in hardware (keyboard layouts etc..) and software?
muzikfreakah said:
I am from the Philippines and I am planning to get one. The nearest I could find was this:
http://www.expansys.com.hk/d.aspx?i=179097
But it is the UK version, is there any difference in hardware (keyboard layouts etc..) and software?
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There is always a difference. Usually in the bands, style, looks, and keyboard. I would suggest you wait until all three come out. If you are hasty, you may end up buying a version that doesn't support HSDPA in your region.
TP2 EU/UK is MSM7200A with 2100mhz 3G. TP2 US (RHOD210) is MSM7201A with AT&T 3G. More versions are still coming, Sprint version uses MSM7600.
Wait until more is known and are out there to make sure you get the correct version. In general EU/UK versions are also compatible in large regions of Asia, but thats a rule of thumb, not a rule.
Also the U.S CDMA TP2 (Sprint and Verizon version) is going to be dual mode (CDMA and Euro GSM) i've heard. This especially has me tickled pink .
Basically i'm a happy Sprint camper and love the CDMA service, plus as a bonus if i'm visiting my big sis in the U.K, i no longer need to drag along my unlocked Moto Krzr, i can just pop in an o2 prepaid SIM in the same TP2.
Hope this comes to pass.
Chainfire said:
TP2 EU/UK is MSM7200A with 2100mhz 3G. TP2 US (RHOD210) is MSM7201A with AT&T 3G. More versions are still coming, Sprint version uses MSM7600.
Wait until more is known and are out there to make sure you get the correct version. In general EU/UK versions are also compatible in large regions of Asia, but thats a rule of thumb, not a rule.
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Well if it works in Hong Kong it should work in the Philippines I think. Thanks for the opinion guys, will ask expansys also regarding this matter.
Cant wait to get my hands on a TP2. Actually, I am getting a free Iphone 3G from my service provider as loyalty award and I am selling it to get a TP2 :-D

Why no 3G with ATT

Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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You've got it there. There is no US 3g on the euro devices as per basic agreements with the carriers to let their branded versions come out. The local carrier versions are coming so just hang on.
first of all, the TP2 wasn't released in the US market. the model that you're talking about that has no US 3G is the European model. some people just preferred to buy it unlocked and save themselves a lot of waiting time.
secondly, yes, T-Mobile is getting it around August 12 here in the US. you would know that for sure if you read the very, very numerous posts around the Rhodium forum. all the major US carriers are getting the phone, including AT&T, Sprint and Verizon. there are speculated release dates about the other 3, but they will come eventually.
to me, this seems like a redundant thread. just my opinion. I vote for thread to be closed.
fail...
why wouldnt att not have 3g with the fuze when they have 3g on older phones?.....
fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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The better solution would be for ATT to embrace the same 3G standard that Europe and Asia have, and change to 850/1900.
850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
As for the "fail" comment or criticism:
The current phone available is the EUROPEAN model, it works in EUROPE. The same goes for many many other phone makers. They make dual band 3G phones (quad-band GSM) for Europe and then make the specialty ones for the US and possibly Canada.
Originally they tried to make 850/1900 the standard for North America, but so many companies are planning alternatives like 1700 and whatnot. It's like that one company in Australia using 850/2100 instead of 900/2100. If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
To make a phone truly universar 3G-wise it would need to use 6 different bands, and personally I've only seen specs with up to 3 bands (though I heard about mysterious 3G 4 band phones).
If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
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ATT uses 850/1900 and are moving to add 2100. T-Mobile use 1700.
I agree it will be good if ATT does actually get 2100 going.
Oops, my bad, I get the two confused. And yeah, it'd be good if they had the 2100 going, especially if it meant interoperability, even if limited, with European models (and they could reap the benefits of charging for 3G data roaming).
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850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
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I stand corrected. Too much coffee, too little brains.

Buying TP2 from US to use in UK?

Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
Go Vodafone. Far better customer service than o2. Was a loyal o2 customer for about 5 years and was sick of not being able to understand indian accents on customer support. Gave up went to vodafone, got TP2. Profit.
As for the bands I am unsure. Just my input about netwroks. Sorry if it wasnt what you wanted.
I believe that that T-Mobile US version is compatible and the AT&T Version (which isn't out yet) definitely is. None of the US versions have front cameras, though. You will also need to find someone with AT&T that will request the unlock code for you (unless you find it unlocked on eBay).
Thanks for your quick response!
I tried going via Vodafone but the TP2 is currently only available to business customers. And because I have only moved house last month they rejected my application (didn't pass their credit check, apparently, despite having not missed a single credit payment, ever, in my life...). They did say I can apply again in 3 months, but I don't think I can wait that long, as I've been eye-ing the TP2 for like 3 months, waiting for my O2 contract to end!
I hear that the TP2 in the states are getting a regular 3mm plug for audio, which is a plus, but loses the front camera... hmm, trade offs! But at the risk of them incompatibility... perhaps a UK version is in order...
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/
there you go
yep go to MPD get a unlocked unbranded with a voda contract thats what i did £25 for the phone and 750 mins 250 text unlimited internet for £33 a month
Thirding MPD, 25 quid contract 18 months + web and walk.
Paid £50 for the phone. This gets a pristine unlocked oem phone which can be invaluable later on when the roms etc start coming out!
As far as the bands go- Im pretty sure you will be fine- if you have a look at this list:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/com...[0]=3478&phones[1]=2879&phones[2]=1590&area=2
It compares the Euro TP2 with the US touch pro and a sidekick (which should give a fair indication of what bands are used)
This site gives the bands and coverage for a load of networks over the pond so you should be able to check if you will get service:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
solsearch said:
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
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Thanks that is very helpful. I think I will follow the advice of others and go with MPD for a new contract. Thanks again everyone! I cant wait to get my hands on the TP2.
If you are calling them, persist in re-dialing - don't bother leaving a message - it's worth it.
I dealt with Lucy - excellent service.
CuteCutie said:
Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
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When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
At0mAng said:
When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
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AT&T's HTC phones with 3G all have 2100MHz, I am sure the Tile 2 (Touch Pro 2 for AT&T) will also. This means it will work with European 3G as well as AT&T 3G.
I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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Thats the T-Mobile version with the different 2100MHz. It has 1700MHz and 2100MHz, one for download and one for uplink. The European 2100MHz is 2100MHz for both downlink and uplink. The 2100MHz included on AT&T handsets is the European 2100MHz and not the T-Mobile version (which is referred to as 1700MHz to get around confusion).
The T-Mobile version's specifications list 1700MHz/2100MHz. I do not know if they are referring only to their bands where one is downlink and one is uplink or if they mean 1700MHz (1700MHz/2100MHz) AND European 2100MHz. I would bet that it includes European 3G but I am not positive.
Sorry, my bad. I get those companies mixed up
Yes I have been worried about the whole slightly different band and therefore it may or may not work in Europe!
I am having trouble with phone contracts at the moment because I have just moved home so my credit rating is completely annhilated and it just takes too long for the credit company to sort it out. In the end I have used eBay and bought a Vodafone branded TP2. I am sticking with O2 simplicity SIM at the moment as a rolling 30 day contract. I've not had too much trouble with O2 customer service, I always seem to get non-Indian, English speaking folks, but retention line was unprepared to make any offer at all which baffled me!
Anyway, onto the exciting (and somewhat scary prospect!) of getting to grips with Hard SPL and custom Roms!
PS, sorry At0mAng I got your message too late! I was thinking of California.

Which defy to buy?

I'm considering purchasing the Defy. (completely in love with the idea of a waterproof phone)
I live in US and have AT&T. Seen topics about the T-Mobile version working on AT&T's 3G bands.
I plan on purchasing one from eBay and my question is, should I get the american "T-Mobile" version or should I get a European version. Which one has more/better roms available? Does the European version work on AT&T 3G? I'm a fan of the all black UK version as well. Are there any other hardware differences besides color of the phone?
Thanks alot! Hope to be visiting these defy forums more often!
Ok, if you buy the American (T-Mo?) you should be able to use it on AT&T 3G through the 850 freq, and of course, on T-Mo.
http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html
You will also be able to use it on the most common international freq, 2100. Looked at the Euro spec phone on the Moto site and they do not appear to be able to work on any USA 3G.
The USA T-Mo branded phone seems to be far less likely to developed the "failed earpiece", if that is even still an issue with current production.
Also, there is a thread with people complaining that the all black phone is structurally "cheaper". Maybe it's an appearance thing. Of course, the T-mo branded phone comes with wifi calling which you cannot use on AT&T... but should you ever switch...
Awesome! Thank you very much for the information.
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Awesome! Thank you very much for the information.
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Remember, I'm only passing on info on the 850 band but have never tried myself.

[SOLVED] T989 works on ATT 3G

Tmobile website listed 850mzh umts, anyone tried with att sim yet? or we need to unlock the phone first?
yes this phone works on all carriers
do we have to unlock first? or phone comes unlocked?
excellent question
i'd like to know that too, as i'm waiting for it as well
he was referring to weather or not it supports at&t HSPA+
shapiro1234567890 said:
he was referring to weather or not it supports at&t HSPA+
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and that was the answer...
TMONews.com alludes to this question as well...
I guess Allgamer confirmed the million dollar question for all of us
I guess this will be my future-proof phone (at&t merger or not) for the next year or so.
this is definitely the best phone for a while, until another beast comes along on a quad band hspda+
this phone is literally a 4x4
you can switch to any GSM cell phone provider that you want with the same phone without thinking twice.
i just bought the phone full price.
on the phone box it listed.
gsm 850, 900, 1800, 1900.
umts band 1 (2100), band II (1900), band iv (1700), band V (850)!
so this phone does supports 850/1900 3g too!
Well this is good news at least... I guess this phone is the lube that will make the brutal takeover a bit less painful.
It passed the FCC with AT&T 3G support, there is NO question that it has AT&T 3G support.
heygrl said:
It passed the FCC with AT&T 3G support, there is NO question that it has AT&T 3G support.
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So did another recent (in the past 6 months) T-Mobile phone, the G2x. The specs said it etc. I wasn't until after the phone was released and some people actually tried it that they found out it didn't work.
Same caution should go with this device, until someone puts a bloody AT&T sim in it and gets a testable connection treat the specs, web and box with a grain of salt.
rahlquist said:
So did another recent (in the past 6 months) T-Mobile phone, the G2x. The specs said it etc. I wasn't until after the phone was released and some people actually tried it that they found out it didn't work.
Same caution should go with this device, until someone puts a bloody AT&T sim in it and gets a testable connection treat the specs, web and box with a grain of salt.
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No, the G2X was not tested by the FCC for AT&T 3G
heygrl said:
No, the G2X was not tested by the FCC for AT&T 3G
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Sorry again part of the confusions surrounding the G2X was a possible misstating by several blogs. http://pocketnow.com/android/lg-p999-passes-fcc-is-t-mobiles-g2x for example.
In the end though even if the FCC tests the phone to support those frequencies, the manuf lists the support and t-mob lists the support, until its tested by multiple users I wouldn't believe it. Sorry but I have been burned by to many manuf lies (I own a captivate need I say more) and too much incorrect information.
rahlquist said:
Sorry again part of the confusions surrounding the G2X was a possible misstating by several blogs. http://pocketnow.com/android/lg-p999-passes-fcc-is-t-mobiles-g2x for example.
In the end though even if the FCC tests the phone to support those frequencies, the manuf lists the support and t-mob lists the support, until its tested by multiple users I wouldn't believe it. Sorry but I have been burned by to many manuf lies (I own a captivate need I say more) and too much incorrect information.
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That model number is for a different LG G2X that T-Mobile didn't sell.
The T-Mobile Galaxy S II is IDENTICAL to the Telus Galaxy S II X - it has 850/1700/1900 WCDMA bands. You can stop the skepticism.
heygrl said:
That model number is for a different LG G2X that T-Mobile didn't sell.
The T-Mobile Galaxy S II is IDENTICAL to the Telus Galaxy S II X - it has 850/1700/1900 WCDMA bands. You can stop the skepticism.
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Ahhh so if they are identical then I presume someone tested it on that one?
Specs schmecks like I said until tested its rumored to be supported. I'd love to see confirmations from a reputable source that they have taken an AT&T sim and popped it in. Until that happens people should be cautious is all I am saying. Don't buy a phone and get locked into a contract for a spec thats unproven. Just because the hardware support is there doesn't mean the software can even use it.
I'm not skeptical of that which is proven but I am cynical of that which is quoted without proof. It' not you, or anyone else in this thread but after a years of dealing with telco and manufacturer broken promises, half truth's and specs that are just this side of outright lies...
did LG G2x listed umts 850/1900 on phone box?
this tmobile galaxy s2 does listed umts 850/1900 on phone box!
that is like saying on a honda sticker it listed 500 hp and the car only has 200hp, that' fault advertising, you can sue them!
That is true, they speculated that the G2x COULD have AT&T 3G but didn't "unlock" the feature. There is only one true way to figure this all out, that is to unlock the phone and try an AT&T 3G sim in it
netnerd said:
did LG G2x listed umts 850/1900 on phone box?
this tmobile galaxy s2 does listed umts 850/1900 on phone box!
that is like saying on a honda sticker it listed 500 hp and the car only has 200hp, that' fault advertising, you can sue them!
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My captivate listed on the box it had a gps, oh its got one allright but it aint worth a crap.
Just because the box says it has it doesn't mean it functions well. It just means its present. It may drop a AT&T 3g call every second due to a software bug that may never get fixed.
Then again it may have a better tuned antenna than the AT&T SGS II and get better reception. We just dont know. We know what the marketing material says but they doe come out and say oops sometimes.
ok guys... this conversation is getting a bit derailed.
The original question and answer is for the SGH-T989 nothing to do with the LG G2x
so stop comparing Orange vs Lemons, or at least make a new topic for your comparison, instead of hijacking this topic
Thanks

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