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Why no 3G with ATT

Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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You've got it there. There is no US 3g on the euro devices as per basic agreements with the carriers to let their branded versions come out. The local carrier versions are coming so just hang on.

first of all, the TP2 wasn't released in the US market. the model that you're talking about that has no US 3G is the European model. some people just preferred to buy it unlocked and save themselves a lot of waiting time.
secondly, yes, T-Mobile is getting it around August 12 here in the US. you would know that for sure if you read the very, very numerous posts around the Rhodium forum. all the major US carriers are getting the phone, including AT&T, Sprint and Verizon. there are speculated release dates about the other 3, but they will come eventually.
to me, this seems like a redundant thread. just my opinion. I vote for thread to be closed.

fail...
why wouldnt att not have 3g with the fuze when they have 3g on older phones?.....

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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The better solution would be for ATT to embrace the same 3G standard that Europe and Asia have, and change to 850/1900.

850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
As for the "fail" comment or criticism:
The current phone available is the EUROPEAN model, it works in EUROPE. The same goes for many many other phone makers. They make dual band 3G phones (quad-band GSM) for Europe and then make the specialty ones for the US and possibly Canada.
Originally they tried to make 850/1900 the standard for North America, but so many companies are planning alternatives like 1700 and whatnot. It's like that one company in Australia using 850/2100 instead of 900/2100. If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
To make a phone truly universar 3G-wise it would need to use 6 different bands, and personally I've only seen specs with up to 3 bands (though I heard about mysterious 3G 4 band phones).

If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
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ATT uses 850/1900 and are moving to add 2100. T-Mobile use 1700.
I agree it will be good if ATT does actually get 2100 going.

Oops, my bad, I get the two confused. And yeah, it'd be good if they had the 2100 going, especially if it meant interoperability, even if limited, with European models (and they could reap the benefits of charging for 3G data roaming).

solsearch said:
850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
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I stand corrected. Too much coffee, too little brains.

Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

Getting a T-Mobile phone to receive AT&T 3G

Is this possible?
We know that AT&T uses the 850/1900/2100 MHz US 3G bands, while T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100 MHz US 3G bands, therefore making each carrier's hardware incompatible with the other's 3G network, however I had a discussion with someone seemingly very tech savvy, who said this is most definitely NOT true.
He was certain you could flash an AT&T radio on an unlocked T-Mobile phone and get the T-Mobile phone to connect on the AT&T 3G network, and this is exactly what he plans to do once T-Moble releases the HD2/Leo this spring. He says from a hardware perspective they only stamp one type of chip at the factory, so it's the radio software that dictates whether the phone works on an 850, 1900, 1700, etc frequency.
Obviously there are early termination fees, and carrier penalties to consider, but from a pure technical perspective, is this even feasible?

no it isnt true.
countless people have tried to flash the g1 to at&t only to get edge and be disapointed.

It is sorta true. There was a phone that HTC released at one point in time that was only triband GSM which works fine with T-Mobile, since it only uses one of the American bands for its native network, 1900. Europe uses 900 and 1800 and so this phone (I think it was the Diamond Europe) was released initially only as triband GSM as well as Europe's 3G Networks. A while later HTC actually did release a radio update that unlocked 850 (which AT&T uses together with 1900 for its GSM network).
Of course my theory is that this phone was only scheduled for Europe release, especially sine it did not have any US 3G support in that varriant and due to a bug or whatever HTC's radio hid the 850 network. But because enough people imported the phone, or to improve roaming the bug or whatever was fixed and the 850 network supported.
However, this has never been done with 3G networks. Is it possibly, yes it could be. You have to remember though, that even though you enable AT&T 3G, the internal attenna needs to be able to pick it up as well so there is additional hardware design.
I'm gonna doubt this is possible.

azwildcat98 said:
He was certain you could flash an AT&T radio on an unlocked T-Mobile phone and get the T-Mobile phone to connect on the AT&T 3G network, and this is exactly what he plans to do once T-Moble releases the HD2/Leo this spring. He says from a hardware perspective they only stamp one type of chip at the factory, so it's the radio software that dictates whether the phone works on an 850, 1900, 1700, etc frequency.
Obviously there are early termination fees, and carrier penalties to consider, but from a pure technical perspective, is this even feasible?
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Well then this person is only talking out of there ass. Making it not even feasible possible. The hardware is different. Go look at the fcc website. You will see the chips are not the same. Nothing to do with a damn "stamp"

Yeah not to use the big i too much around here, lol, but the best example is the Iphone. My wife has an Iphone jailbroken and unlocked to work on our Tmo account, and I spent a good amount of time figuring all that jailbreaking stuff out because it was interestingly similar to XDA's manipulation of Windows Mobile. I unlocked her phone. At one point I considered buying an Iphone and was really dissappointed to realize none of the Iphones on Tmobile have 3g. Althogh it sounds possible on some really technical firmware level, honestly theres millions of dollars going into jailbreaking iphones for the 30million or so on Tmo. And no one is getting 3g. Because it seems to be a problem that cannot be solved with some simple hack or crack.

Also go look at the radio threads. everyone flashes radios from any carrier looking for batt life and reception in their area. none of them seems to have magically gotten 3g out of their radios, or lost it for flashing the wrong carrier.

trevorwhopkins said:
Yeah not to use the big i too much around here, lol, but the best example is the Iphone. My wife has an Iphone jailbroken and unlocked to work on our Tmo account, and I spent a good amount of time figuring all that jailbreaking stuff out because it was interestingly similar to XDA's manipulation of Windows Mobile. I unlocked her phone. At one point I considered buying an Iphone and was really dissappointed to realize none of the Iphones on Tmobile have 3g. Althogh it sounds possible on some really technical firmware level, honestly theres millions of dollars going into jailbreaking iphones for the 30million or so on Tmo. And no one is getting 3g. Because it seems to be a problem that cannot be solved with some simple hack or crack.
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There is alot of things the iDont phone Dont do.

from what I have heard and seen though a friend who does development for blackberry, all the carriers use different channels for 3G. The software on blackberries show that 3G for ATT is channels 1,2,3,5 and 7 if I remember correctly. T-mobile has different ones and sprint+verizon the same. I don't think it's as easy as just swapping software...

Flashing Galaxy Nexus to Sprint?

So, now that Sprint has announced that it's bringing the galaxy to its network, would it be possible to buy a Verizon branded one now and once the sprint version is released, flash it to a sprint PRL and activate it on their network? Or is the hardware different?
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ShotSkydiver said:
So, now that Sprint has announced that it's bringing the galaxy to its network, would it be possible to buy a Verizon branded one now and once the sprint version is released, flash it to a sprint PRL and activate it on their network? Or is the hardware different?
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No.
Verizon LTE: 700mhz.
Sprint LTE: 1900mhz.

So... Both are carrier phones.
If you want freedom, don't buy a carrier-phone. You'd think that'd be obvious by now.

Please show us that option in the states unless we want to import.
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K.
Don't assume all users here are outside of the United States. It was a legit question.

I don't think sprint will activate non branded phones anymore.
Not to say its impossible, its not. It would work with 3g only though and the steps to get it on the network would likely be illegal (ESN cloning a current sprint device for starters) in addition to changing all of the APN settings etc.
Not going to happen, especially with sprint releasing the same device soonish, unless you do it yourself.

adrynalyne said:
Please show us that option in the states unless we want to import.
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K.
Don't assume all users here are outside of the United States. It was a legit question.
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Huh? he clearly wasn't assuming the OP was outside of the United States, considering he was responding to a question about VERIZON and SPRINT. Yes the only way to go "carrier-less" is an import. Everyone has the option to import and run in AT&T, T-Mo, Simple, or other GSM regionals if they want. The argument shouldn't be "carrier phone" vs. "not carrier phone", but rather CDMA vs GSM, considering most ppl on XDA, even if they buy a "carrier phone", wouldn't mind unlocking it and moving it around. That's possible on GSM, not so much on CDMA (except certain cases like Sprint MVNO's).
Anyway... OP this was discussed in a very (VERY) lengthly thread about a month ago when the Verizon GN came out. Short answer? No, it won't work.

adrynalyne said:
Please show us that option in the states unless we want to import.
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Don't assume all users here are outside of the United States. It was a legit question.
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How is importing it any different then running to the store and picking one up? Same phone, same warranty, same price. Yeah if something happens I have to send it to Clove, Handtec, Negri back to the UK...big deal.
But he's obviously a Sprint customer, and wasn't interested in importing a GSM version anyway.
I was under the impression that most users here were from the USA, judging by the mass influx since Verizon release. GSM seems to be the minority.

What I said stands. Unless you want to import, you cannot have a carrier free device.
The person I responded to said get a carrier-free device. The poster was talking Verizon vs. Sprint, which means LTE.
Its not possible to do. That was my point all along.

adrynalyne said:
No.
Verizon LTE: 700mhz.
Sprint LTE: 1900mhz.
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We don't know what LTE band its radio chip supports (other than the Verizon band), yet. But don't buy a Verizon Nexus just hoping that you can use it on Sprint in the future. Sprint LTE network won't launch until later this year, and by then you will have many more choices of ICS phones, and/or the price of Nexus may have lowered considerably.

AdamHart612 said:
How is importing it any different then running to the store and picking one up? Same phone, same warranty, same price. Yeah if something happens I have to send it to Clove, Handtec, Negri back to the UK...big deal.
But he's obviously a Sprint customer, and wasn't interested in importing a GSM version anyway.
I was under the impression that most users here were from the USA, judging by the mass influx since Verizon release. GSM seems to be the minority.
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GSM is the minority?
GSM DEV:
Threads: 80
Posts: 15,564
CDMA DEV:
Threads: 44
Posts: 7,734

Not surprising given the GSM version's international availability. Maybe the Verizon users are simply more vocal...All I meant was that in the couple weeks since the Verizon version dropped the general section in particular has exploded, where it was far more quiet before. GalNex is available around the world on many carriers, yet every other thread mentions CDMA/LTE (exclusive to Verizon). Very out of proportion. Just an observation.

Wait a minute, is the imported version capable of CDMA/LTE? Someone mentioned if you want a carrier free one then get an imported one. I was looking on eBay and in one I noticed it said it will work for AT&T/TMO 3/4G and LTE where available. I don't think this is the case but if it is someone fill me in.

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Wait a minute, is the imported version capable of CDMA/LTE? Someone mentioned if you want a carrier free one then get an imported one. I was looking on eBay and in one I noticed it said it will work for AT&T/TMO 3/4G and LTE where available. I don't think this is the case but if it is someone fill me in.
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LTE where available meaning in an LTE area they will sell you an LTE device. The UK version does NOT have LTE.
Also to the OP, no it won't work.

joshnichols189 said:
LTE where available meaning in an LTE area they will sell you an LTE device. The UK version does NOT have LTE.
Also to the OP, no it won't work.
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Thanks, I guess the eBay listing is miss leading then. I know if I bought it and found out later that wasn't the case I'd be returning it.

Hey, this is an old thread but I just found this through Googling.
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/20/sprint-galaxy-nexus-a-reality-device-given-the-green-light-for-activation-rumor/
Is this really possible?

penataband for Europe?

Sometime a go, there was a thread about variants of GNEX, from comments I understand that all GSM are same, only radio software is different,
but on some sites it not mention all 5 3G bands, and only 3 for Europe,
also what about 2.4 and 5 Ghz for WIFI? is it also suffers for Europe or something? or not? I kind of stuck, I really want the device with all standard accessories, mostly the charger, and not search for it, after I buy,
and also be sure it support 850 & 2100 for 3G, the S have also many variants, as SII have toooo many of them, so how can I find out about that issue?

As I said in the other thread... They're all pentaband. Every single model. And yes they support 5ghz wifi.

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As I said in the other thread... They're all pentaband. Every single model. And yes they support 5ghz wifi.
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Well all but the CDMA (Verizon USA model)
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_Dennis_ said:
Well all but the CDMA (Verizon USA model)
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Sorry yes. Obviously. You would've had to read the really long thread before where OP wouldn't take my word for it that any i9250 is pentaband...

I think I got it now, I just used to that for US & EU have different frequency devices, see I used to work to one of the mobile manufacturers, and we have sometime 2 type of devices, one for EU and other for US, and maybe it's hard to believe that unicorns exists, heh on the second hand, on old GSM it also not always a "world" phones so it do make sense,
and another funny thing, also 850 band I actually US, here in Israel we use it..because of the ARMY ...to make things even worse, the QUAD GSM no worth to much, as 2 of our providers that still have GSM, have only 1 frequency, the solution was to "share" the networks ,We do have HSPA+, but the future will be LTE ..dunno why, also no 4G here ,the mobile internet cost to much and slow as ****