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Anyone know if they will be releasing an unlocked version for the US carriers? I would get the European version myself, as 3g isn't a big deal for me, but what gives me concern is the Wall charger doesn't include a US plug. Im sure this is a small deal considering i could proly just buy a standard HTC charger, but im just curious if they will be having an unlocked that will both include the US charger, and work on US 3g networks.
no word yet hua?
Why do you think the European model won't work on U.S. 3G networks?
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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I have been on a number of blogs for the TP2 and they are seem to be in agreement that the European TP2 will only work over the EDGE network in US...
Personally, I am currently an iPhone user, but my wife is driving me crazy waiting for this US version!
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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Here is a good story on MSNBC.com on the various 3G standards. It is dated last Sept. but it is still good.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511322/
uk/europe model will only work on edge in US. devicewire have done a detailed review on a europe model and could only get edge. to get 3g will need to wait for official model for that region.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Actually you have it awry. European 3G runs on 2100mhz not 1900. U.S 3G runs on 850/1900mhz.
If you go to HTC's site, the TP2 Euro model will do GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 1900mhz. SO if O.P imports a Euro version, he could use it on EDGE or he could just wait for the AT&T version. T-mobile USA's 3G runs on 1700mhz though.
T-mobile USA's 3G requires both 1700mhz and 2100mhz. Suppose to be hear around July 22nd...
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As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Standard mini usb cables, yes and i also am aware i can also just charge the thing using the included USB cable. What im asking about is the WALL charger. If HTC uses thier standard USB-mini cable that is on a good chunk of their devices, including the HD/ Tilt/Diamond ect.. im sure finding a US charger wont be that hard.
Also, i was asking about an Unlocked US version, i do not intend to get one though the carrier as i dont want a modified version that they lock down. Nor do i care to wait till the fall when AT&T gets off their duffs to finally release it.
In any event, im just keeping my ear open and seeing what the grapevine heard about it.
Sorry guys. My bad.
I was confusing the specifications thinking that HTC would at least be smart enough to include full support for all markets. I was reading the Quad-Band GSM as support for HSPA/3G bands. I was totally bypassing the HSPA/WCDMA dual-band specification.
Chalk it up to a mix of wishful thinking and childish excitement. That does, however, kick the crap out of my week. Only HTC can bring me down this hard.
Well, I guess ATT got approved for theirs. Now the only question remains is, will their be an unlocked US version that supports 3g? or will we have to get the European version?
I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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The hardware physically cannot handle it. The Euro/Asian model only supports 3G on the European and Asian bands which are completely different frequencies from the ones used in the U.S. It's definitely not just a matter of software.
And I think we all need to be clear that no one has any idea what the AT&T keyboard will actually look like. The promotional material we have all seen and discussed ad nauseum is a slap-together of the HTC mockup with AT&T's promotional verbage. Even the promotional bullet points list that the "HTC Fortress" has a 5 row keyboard while the mockup picture shows a 4 row keyboard. That picture, at this point, means pretty much nothing at all.
I see, Ill hold off then. Its kinda hard to justify ~$800 on a phone here anyways that doesn't have a warranty in the states. Thanks for the help!
Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
I'm currently with Sprint and want to switch to a GSM provider.
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Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
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no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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the carrier phones usually come with some sort of branding (software: e.g. sprint tv application / hardware: different battery cover, different keyboard layout and so on)
This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage...
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
iodaed said:
no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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galaxys said:
Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
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So basically what I was hoping for in terms of a 3G phone with a front facing camera won't happen this round.
According to Verizons web site:
"Global connectivity to allow customers to access e-mail and data in more than 180 destinations and to use the phone for voice calling in more than 220 destinations (GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 MHz WCDMA/HSPA 2100 MHz) "
At&t Fuze, and I assume TP2:
GSM/GPRS/EDGEGSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/900 MHz)
3GUMTS/HSDPA (850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
Since they have the same frequencies, would you be able to unlock the Verizon to work on the AT&T?
It will work on gsm only, no 3g
As Romeo said just GSM. WCDMA and UMTS might share frequencies but it's different 3G technologies which is why you'll only get GSM.
I was wondering the same thing.. hate a few things about my Tmobile version.. brown? Come on, brown???
And i think its stupid that the Sprint and VZW versions have the 3.5 mm jack, not Tmobile/AT&T. Another reason i'm tempted to get the VZW Version.
The Verizon Global phones, like the Touch Pro 2 and Ozone, while having the ability to do 850 and 1900 GSM ARE NOT approved by the FCC to do so in the US. So the GSM on those is strictly for world travel.
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I was wondering the same thing.. hate a few things about my Tmobile version.. brown? Come on, brown???
And i think its stupid that the Sprint and VZW versions have the 3.5 mm jack, not Tmobile/AT&T. Another reason i'm tempted to get the VZW Version.
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I didn't think I'd like the color at first, but I actually think it's pretty classy, a bronze gold look. I could care less about the 3.5 MM jack, that's what bluetooth is for, and besides, the adapter isn't that big of a deal on the rare times I might use a wired headset, at least not for me.
I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.
Oh SoS said:
Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.
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Until someone hacks it
I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.
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I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.
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The Verizon unit already has international GSM bands unlocked, AND international (2100MHz 3G). If you've been a Verizon customer for 60 days or more you can call them up and get an unlock code for free and use any SIM card in your phone so you can get a cheap prepaid SIM and not pay the high Verizon roaming costs. There's also a small (I'd say around 25%) chance that the NA 3G bands will be found/unlocked, but at this point who really knows if they are there or not.
Actually the Telus CDMA TP2 supports the European 3G bands but not the American ones becuase technically you will be using it in North America on CDMA and outside America on GSM. So its the other way around
It seems that if you have the Sprint TP2 that it won't register at all on US GSM networks, but comes unlocked by default.
On Verizon (which I have) a simple phone call to support they'll give you the unlock code and you're good to go. I use an Orange (UK) Sim in mine just fine in the US and others in other forums have reported that using US SIM's from TMobile/AT&T work fine also in the US.
--chris
TP2 = best 'World' phone I've ever owned.
quid246 said:
I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
Just have to make sure that your provider gives you a 3G SIM (most of them are these days) and that you have the 3G service enabled on your account in the respective country.
Many people say they can't pick it up yet don't have it on their account, or think that their EU provider will automatically provide it as part of the roaming service... which is not a good assumption to make.
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I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
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3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??
Man, this is all confusing... I swear somebody has to come up with an HTML table of what phones work with what and where and stickify it.
Can people just put this to bed already!!!
The Sprint (North America) TP2 is suppossed to be used on CDMA in the US and GSM worldwide, hence the GSM radio is unlocked for outside America GSM use. This is how it comes default. If that is so hard to grasp, then there is no hope for some, sadly.
As for the title, the TP2 is a world phone, it works in the US (and North Ameria) on CDMA and elsewhere unlocked on GSM. That to me is the true definition of a World phone from a U.S CDMA perspective (and especially moreso as this is the CDMA version).
To put it in perspective, a Sprint customer (in this case, moi) gets the best of CDMA in the U.S and when traveling to visit his sister in High Wycombe in the U.K (like i'll be doing this Autumm) gets to pop in a PAYG U.K sim in the same phone and use it while over there. This phone doesn't get any "worldlier" to me than this scenario!!
Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
This is not rocket science folks, it really isn't.
LordLugard said:
Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
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Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?
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3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??
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AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.
Basically while it may be a quad band GSM phone, it is only a dual band 3G device. It comes in two flavours - UMTS 900+2100 or UMTS 1900+850
The 900/2100 version is far more common than 850/1900
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AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.
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It supports those bands for HSDPA CDMA not GSM 3G
Network 3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
This is the Telus version btw
quid246 said:
Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?
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"it Depends"
The US CDMA phone operates in 3 modes.
1 CDMA Only
2 GSM Only
3 'Global' (whatever it can find).
If you have it in Global it will generally take the CDMA local carrier over anything else. However, not always. I've had mine switch to GSM for a bit then go back to CDMA. But mine is Verizon and unlocked so it works everywhere in the US and I also have a UK sim card in it. So I'm a little 'different'.
But, in any case, you can tell the phone which mode to use if you want. All upto you.
--chris
(verizon TP2)
here we go again... (tp2 3g na)
"I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings."
So, maybe he's wrong. But either way...
You wanna know why this keeps coming up again and again?
(not because we're all dumb and thick headed, which we may very well be)
But,
Because we just have trouble imagining them hardware "band amplifier" hobbling the hardware when it's so much easier to do it somewhere in firmware.
We all know that the less you fiddle with the hardware for multi-region functionality the less you have to fiddle with the production line and fiddling with the production line is the Last Thing a manufacturer wants to do.
Someone even once said that there wasn't room in the Rhodium platform for quad band data support. But now we're expecting the tilt 2 to do just that.
So, all protestations aside, those of us who paid ~700 us clams for this beauty, and who like the kbd layout.
And who have like me (as quite the Early Adopter), forked out for an sx56, sx66, 8135, x7510((quad band data)
Just feel a leetle wee bit of a sense, dare I say it, of Entitlement for the TP2 to be enabled into a fully world wide phone.
So we keep hunting, and digging, and dreaming, and .... posting.....
well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751
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well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751
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3g in the USA must be on the 1700 band then, as thats the only gsm band that the euro version doesn't support.
Euro version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
TMOUS version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
Anyone know of a good site to order a prepaid SIM card? I plan on using my VZW TP2 in Spain and France. I was also wondering if I should or could disable data and use my TP2 with Garmin XT so I don't get nailed for data usage. Your thoughts would be appreciated...
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Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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the t-mobile rhodium supports UMTS 1700 and UMTS 2100 so if canada and/europe use those bands for UMTS (3G) then yes it will work. If not, the device is quad band GSM so no problem using voice and EDGE for data.
Also make sure the device is unlocked if you plan to put another carrier's SIMcard in the device.
tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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Not sure about Canada...but TmoUSA 3G bands are different than Euro-3G.
Unrelated, but worth mentioning: the T-Mobile USA international roaming charge for data is steep -- $15/megabyte.
If you got a Euro sim card that would fix the $, but not the radio (for 3G).
The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.
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The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.
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You used a T-Mobile USA version of the TP2 in Europe and had a usable 3G data connection?? Hmmm...that's the first I've read of this.
If this is well-known (and if so, maybe I'm just clueless ) can you provide a link to more discussion, that is...uhh...evidence...of it? Not about what bands the USA version supports -- I know that part -- but other reports/disucssion of it actually working.
On the other hand, are there any reports of a Euro-TP2 that can work on 3G bands in the USA?
USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.
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USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.
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Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.
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Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.
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Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS
TP2 overseas vs versions
I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.
drjby4 said:
I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.
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That is correct. Apparently they are only able to have 3 3G frequencies (though NTT DoCoMo is currently working on a chip that can handle 8 frequencies!)
At first Europe only used 2100MHz 3G and AT&T had set up on 850MHz/1900MHz. Since those were the only 3 bands, HTC would put all three of those bands in its phones up to the Tilt (Kaiser). Once they made the Raphael though, there was 900MHz 3G in Europe and T-Mobile had chosen the AWS band.
Since they can apparently only put 3 bands in, and Europe now needed two for 900MHz/2100MHz, they could no longer put but of AT&T's frequencies in. So they must have just dropped them.
The AT&T version (FUZE) has 850MHz/1900MHz and also has 2100MHz, which is the dominant band for 3G in Europe. I am not sure if they are using 900MHz there yet, but they decided that was more important to put in the European ones than AT&T's bands.
T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)
petard said:
Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS
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It doesn't just support 1700 and 2100, it uses both to work: 1700 for up/send and 2100 for down/receive. So, how does the Tmo USA radio cope without 1700 band for up/send when it's expecting it?
petard said:
T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)
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So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...
MCbrian said:
So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...
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According to Wikipedia, UMTS Band I (commonly known as 2100MHz) uses 1920 - 1980 for uplink and 2110 - 2170 for downlink while UMTS Band IV (AWS, 1700MHz) uses 1710 - 1755 for uplink and 2110 - 2155 for downlink.
Band II (1900MHz) uses 1850 - 1910 for uplink and 1930 - 1990 for downlink and band V (850MHz) uses 824 - 849 for uplink and 869 - 894 for downlink. The uplink and download for these are close, unlike bands I and IV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I just assume they are only able to have 3 different frequencies since I have yet to see a UMTS phone with 4 frequencies. But as I wrote this, I'm not too sure because there were phones with Band I, Band II, and Band IV which would mean that there are chips capable for 4 different frequencies? Who knows, maybe someone with actual technical knowledge about this can say.
Also according to that page, there are five different UMTS bands deployed across the world. A bit of a pain. That is more then GSM ever had and who knows if it will grow to even more. LTE also will be coming in before GSM is phased out, so we are going to have to have phones that have GSM, UMTS, AND LTE. GSM will be no problem, quadband has been standard for a while, but having a phone that has both your carriers UMTS and LTE frequencies is going to be tough unless you buy it from your carrier.
What they should have done is just used the band names, and not their frequencies. It would be much easier to know that Europe runs on band I and T-Mobile USA runs on band IV and the T-Mobile Rhodium supports both Band I and Band IV.
OK call me foolish but I got fed up with TMobile and switched to ATT because the company offered to pay my data plan to keep me on call. I had been saying no but a billing problem that they refused to fix left me steamed. Anyway, is there anyway to make AT&T 3G work on my Tmobile TP2?
T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2
djteotancolis said:
T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2
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Let me rephrase that, for all the people that got "confusimacated" at first glance (like me)
The T-Mobile TP2 will work on AT&T's system, but it will only be capable of EDGE, and not 3G due to the fact that AT&T's and T-Mobile's 3G service use different frequencies.
Overseas Version
I have the overseas HD2 (LEO) which in not branded by T-Mobile. I also have ATT, can i get 3g on it?
at&t 3G is on the WCDMA 850/1900 megahertz bands. The Leo operates on EU frequencies, 900/2100 WCDMA for 3G service. Your Tmobile gets 3G on the 1700 MGHZ band. You need a phone with NA 3G frequencies to get 3G from at&t, and those are 850/1900 WCDMA. None of your devices will see 3G here in NA. Europe operates 3G on 1900 and 2100 and a few on 900 WCDMA, Japan and South Korea are on 2100 WCDMA only and NA is on 850/1900, so you need to be really careful of the hardware you purchase for it to work where you want it to and at the speeds you want. Edge comes on the older GSM frequencies and almost all phones have the 4 GSM frequencies, 850-900-1900-1800, but none have all the GSM and all the WCDMA frequencies, could but don't. Most US phones will have 3 WCDMA frequencies, 850-1900-2100. Better to buy an unlocked tilt 2 or sign an agreeement with at&t for a discounted phone.
Good luck.