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I noticed an unlocked US 3G Diamond at Best Buy today. I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find the answer.
What makes the US version work on AT&T with 3G over the imported version? I have not seen a radio upgrade that allows it yet. The handsets actually looked quite similar with the exception of the back and battery.
I'm just curious whether to pick up the new one in order to get 3G service, or is there a radio update expected?
Thanks to anyone that can shed some light on it for me.
I have a US 3G version and the freq. that at&t uses here has been enabled.
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I have a US 3G version and the freq. that at&t uses here has been enabled.
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Sure, it would be the 850 and 1900 Bands. But there are Quad-Band radios available for the EU Diamond. I wonder if it's a question about the device not having specific hardware or just being able to enable those bands to work properly.
Sorry for my english
he American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA, The people here says that is a har problem not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos
Sorry for my english
The American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA (3G), The people here says that is a hard problem, not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos
I have a Touch Diamond I bought last week from new Egg, just like the ones from best buy. For some reason, I can pick up the 3G signal and it will hold on to it for just a second, then x..{disconnects}..then immediatly picks up Edge and then Hsdpa?
I get 25% Edge and 75% Hdspa. I guess if you read the box, it says it picks up a 3.5G internet Broadband Connection....Anything over 3.5mbps is Hsdpa.
calito said:
The American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA (3G), The people here says that is a hard problem, not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos
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I notcied that the US version had the 1350 mAh battery instead of the 900 mAh like the EU version. Was there any documentation on why they did this? Has anyone checked if putting the smaller battery and slimmer back on the US version causes any problems?
I also find it odd that HTC briefly listed the Diamond as a Quad-Band phone on their website, and have since changed it back to a Tri-Band phone.
I still have hope that our European Diamond will work with US 3G with somefirm ware flash or something
No, it will not.
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I still have hope that our European Diamond will work with US 3G with somefirm ware flash or something
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I am in Canada and one of our carriers Telus just released the TouchPro 2
telus is a CDMA carrier, however, released the device as a world phone, quad band GSM and UMTS 2100 3G.
I am new to the GSM world and would like to understand better.
Telus and another carrier, bell mobility are building a 3G+ network that they plan to fire up later this year, the CDMA network will stay for a while and HSPA+ will be an overlay network with no GSM support.
Telus and bell plan to use UMTS 850/1900 bands.
When a company like HTC makes a phone, are the UMTS radio's hardware or software?
Is it possible for a OEM working with a carrier to hide UMTS 850/1900 bands or install 850/1900 bands in a new ROM update, say Windows 6.5 ROM?
It does not make sense to me for OEM's to make multiple versions of same phone, I understand each carrier has cosmetic outer requests, I am thinking of the core inside build.
It would be nice to have both networks in case the initial network build out for HSPA+ has issues.
Help!!
UMTS Radio is hadrware.
GSM/WCDMA(or UMTS, if you will) basebands are all hardware as the last poster noted. However, at the request of a carrier, one of the radios in a dual mode CDMA/GSM device can be disabled(as is the case with the dual mode CDMA/GSM version of the Touch Pro2 headed to Sprint here in the US). It is also [theoretically] possible to re-enable the GSM radio in one of the dual mode versions of the Touch Pro2.
On a side note, I wish the CDMA carriers here in the US would transition to GSM technology. I know Verizon will be conducting LTE trials late this year and early next year so that's a plus. It would be nice to transition to LTE, as well, or at least HSPA+....
EDIT: Actually, many OEMs make multiple versions of the same model device. The Touch Pro2 has numerous variants for each carrier which will sell it.
Well, in this case it's a different build from other Pro2's as it has cdma and therefore a different processor.
As for what it is truly capable of I don't know. Carriers have blocked out hardware functionality through software in the past (i.e. certain famous cases of phones with GPS having to wait a long time before a ROM that would let them take advantage of the GPS).
So maybe it's possible. I don't know if it is in this specific case, someone more familiar with the specific hardware and stuff will probably have to weigh in for a definite conclusion.
Hope so though...
UMTS Bands
Wow,
Thank You for the prompt replies.
I think the Telus TouchPro 2 is the same build as Sprint with Telus customization.
I understand that the hardware radio must be present for UMTS 850/1900 to work.
I am not too concerned about the GSM radio(s), just the UMTS radio(s).
According to the spec, it only has 2100 UMTS band
If Telus and likely Sprint have disabled the radio, is it possible to find out if indead the radio would support UMTS 850/1900 and could a cooked ROM enable those above bands?
seems I responded more or less at the same time as jaekidd
anyways...
according to the msm7600 spec sheet it can have the following umts combinations:
2100
1900+850
2100+800
2100+1700+800
2100+1900+850
Now I personally have no idea how one could check to see what options the installed hardware has and whether they are blocking something.
no idea if a new ROM could unlock those frequencies should they be present or how easy it would be to make a ROM to unlock them (they might need a ROM for a device with those features unlocked on that chipset from which to rip the necessary files/drivers for all I know)
And for the record, I think it might be more appropriate to say that the Sprint version is the Telus version with Sprint custommization (after all, the Telus version has come out first), rather than the other way around
and for the record the msm7200 specs sheet says it is capable of the same combinations but personally I can only remember dual band hspa in HTC's phones (the msm7200a sheet doesn't mention the combinations, just the individual bands)
solsearch said:
seems I responded more or less at the same time as jaekidd
anyways...
according to the msm7600 spec sheet it can have the following umts combinations:
2100
1900+850
2100+800
2100+1700+800
2100+1900+850
Now I personally have no idea how one could check to see what options the installed hardware has and whether they are blocking something.
no idea if a new ROM could unlock those frequencies should they be present or how easy it would be to make a ROM to unlock them (they might need a ROM for a device with those features unlocked on that chipset from which to rip the necessary files/drivers for all I know)
And for the record, I think it might be more appropriate to say that the Sprint version is the Telus version with Sprint custommization (after all, the Telus version has come out first), rather than the other way around
and for the record the msm7200 specs sheet says it is capable of the same combinations but personally I can only remember dual band hspa in HTC's phones (the msm7200a sheet doesn't mention the combinations, just the individual bands)
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HTC FUZE (AT&T's Touch Pro) has 850, 1900, and 2100 and I assume AT&T's Touch Pro 2 will, too.
Didn't know that, just the question remians of when AT&T will get theirs out to market.
I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all
Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.
Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that
UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.
I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\
Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.
Does any body know if it is possible and if so how to enable the HSPA: 850/1900 band on a Global (GSM/CDMA) Version of the TP2.
It already has the HSPA: 2100 enabled... so maybe someone RF inclined could shed some light on this question.
Thanks
I dont believe it has the hardware to do it. It is not a software tweak.
That is why so many people waited for the ATT version to come out. There is an Australian version that works on one of the bands but not both.
Sorry to say that I think you are wrong about the Hardware reason...
Apparently the Pro2 has the chip installed, but it's locked down some how. That info has been floating around from an inside source at Telus. they say it actually has 850/1900/2100 UTMS bands but just got "locked" by Telus.
Also sites like Engaget has long posted some HTC FCC info proving that; http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
Also The TP2 uses Qualcomm's MSM7600. The specs for that processor allow two major sets of radio interfaces, only one of which supports CDMA 800 and 1900. That major set has two variants that support HSPA: 2100+800 or 2100+1900+850.
So the question is; is there anyone with the proper knowledge that can tell what is onboard the TELUS TP2 and if it has infact the variant that supports the North American frequencies, how do we enable it?
Thanks for posting with FACTS and not Thoughts as this is the only way we will get a valid answer to this question.
Hmm this is definitely an interesting idea. I'd love to have the front facing camera of the Global Version, but I still need 850/1900 UMTS
850/1900 WCDMA on Global version
Gentlemen:
While the chipset has the various frequency capabilities, it is the tuning of the antannae that determines which frequencies are recieveable , ie, turned on, in the various versions. The AT&T version has a different tuning of the antannae than the global versions.
While theoretically possible, the anatanne is part of the main board and must be physically removed and replaced. I have not been able to find a universal antannae that could be resoldered to the board, if one was brave enough to give it a try.
there is software changes to the chipset controller required as well.
I think it is pretty impractical and likely impossible to do outside of have a new board installed with the properly tuned antannae to make it work. I have researched this for some time now, in an attempt to be able to use the EU versions here in NA. I travel internationally a lot, to Asia and EU, and need the 2100 band, so that has been my motivation.
There may be someone else out there who has different information, but this is what I have learned in digging through the available data for the past 3-4 years of various HTC devices and their variants.
Hope this helps,
MWS
Hello community what a great help can someone found from here ... so here we go ...
My problem is i turn on my mobile data to get 4g then stay's for a while but then it dissapears and then drops down to E and it wont change from there ... and in order to bring back the 4G i need to restart the phone or to shut it down and turn it on again ...
do i need to change my rom or i need to change / flash my radio ? rom is the stock rom i think i got on it ( 5.0.1 sense 6.0 )
see attachment
thx in advance
What is your location and carrier, and what bands do they use for 3G and LTE?
redpoint73 said:
What is your location and carrier, and what bands do they use for 3G and LTE?
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my location is cyprus and my carrier is MTN now the bands i think are these but i am not sure i just find out now from a website http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
Cyprus 900 1800 3G 2100 MTN / 3G 2100 Cytamobile-Vodafone / 4G LTE MTN / 4G LTE PrimeTel;
italianveins said:
my location is cyprus and my carrier is MTN now the bands i think are these but i am not sure i just find out now from a website http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
Cyprus 900 1800 3G 2100 MTN / 3G 2100 Cytamobile-Vodafone / 4G LTE MTN / 4G LTE PrimeTel;
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That doesn't tell me what band MTN uses for LTE (4G). You should call your carrier and ask them (and confirm they use 2100 MHz for 3G).
redpoint73 said:
That doesn't tell me what band MTN uses for LTE (4G). You should call your carrier and ask them (and confirm they use 2100 MHz for 3G).
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ok i go tomorrow morning at there office and ask them in person what you just ask me .
thank you in advance as always very much i appriciate ur time as well
italianveins said:
ok i go tomorrow morning at there office and ask them in person what you just ask me .
thank you in advance as always very much i appriciate ur time as well
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ok so frequencies are from 900 - 1800 for all speeds E up tp 4G and are using At&T Mobile
italianveins said:
ok so frequencies are from 900 - 1800 for all speeds E up tp 4G and are using At&T Mobile
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I take this to mean 900 and 1800 MHz (bands 8 and 3), rather than the way you have it typed "from 900 - 1800" which makes it sound like a range, which doesn't make any sense.
I also don't think this information is correct (as I've interpreted it), as far as I can tell, 1800 MHz (Band 3) is not used for 3G anywhere in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region_.28UMTS-FDD.29
You need to be sure of exactly what band is used for each (2G, 3G, LTE), before we can proceed:
What band (or bands) used for 2G?
What band (or bands) used for 3G?
What band (or bands) used for LTE?
It pretty rare that the same exact band or bands are used for all 3 (2G, 3G and LTE) by one carrier, so the answer is expected to be different for each, and should be asked, and answered on an individual basis.
Reason we need to be so specific here, is that there is no radio for this phone that supports Bands 3 and 8 across 2G, 3G and LTE (and in fact, no radio that supports Band 3 for 3G).
Once you've properly determined what bands are needed, and identified what M8 version supports those bands, the way to proceed would be:
1) S-off by sunshine
Note: If sunshine temp root doesn't work, you may need to unlock bootloader and root, before you can s-off with sunshin
2) Possibly need to change phone's CID and/or MID
3) Flash the firmware or RUU which contains the desired radio baseband
Even then, its not guaranteed that LTE will work. I've see a good number of folks on these forums that properly flashed the radio baseband (or converted to another version by RUU) that supports the desired bands, but still didn't get LTE service. I don't know why this happens, and have never seen a solution. But its a distinct possibility.
But at a minimum, you should be able to get 3G working on your carrier. Which alone may make the above process worthwhile.
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I take this to mean 900 and 1800 MHz (bands 8 and 3), rather than the way you have it typed "from 900 - 1800" which makes it sound like a range, which doesn't make any sense.
I also don't think this information is correct (as I've interpreted it), as far as I can tell, 1800 MHz (Band 3) is not used for 3G anywhere in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region_.28UMTS-FDD.29
You need to be sure of exactly what band is used for each (2G, 3G, LTE), before we can proceed:
What band (or bands) used for 2G?
What band (or bands) used for 3G?
What band (or bands) used for LTE?
It pretty rare that the same exact band or bands are used for all 3 (2G, 3G and LTE) by one carrier, so the answer is expected to be different for each, and should be asked, and answered on an individual basis.
Reason we need to be so specific here, is that there is no radio for this phone that supports Bands 3 and 8 across 2G, 3G and LTE (and in fact, no radio that supports Band 3 for 3G).
Once you've properly determined what bands are needed, and identified what M8 version supports those bands, the way to proceed would be:
1) S-off by sunshine
Note: If sunshine temp root doesn't work, you may need to unlock bootloader and root, before you can s-off with sunshin
2) Possibly need to change phone's CID and/or MID
3) Flash the firmware or RUU which contains the desired radio baseband
Even then, its not guaranteed that LTE will work. I've see a good number of folks on these forums that properly flashed the radio baseband (or converted to another version by RUU) that supports the desired bands, but still didn't get LTE service. I don't know why this happens, and have never seen a solution. But its a distinct possibility.
But at a minimum, you should be able to get 3G working on your carrier. Which alone may make the above process worthwhile.
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Hello and thank you very much for you time i will go again and ask for more direct info's about bands individual
i have found back up of a radio and i flash my phone and now i do get LTE singnal's but hardly get H and 3G when no 4G detected it goes to E ... well ....
now i got another problem maybe i shou ld post a new thread ... my gestures won't work suddenly ( omg !! ) i calibrate and uncheck and reboot and check them from setting's over and over nothing worked
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i have found back up of a radio and i flash my phone and now i do get LTE singnal's but hardly get H and 3G when no 4G detected it goes to E ... well ....
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You need to specify exactly what you flashed, and where you got it from, for this info be worthwhile in any way.
Also, still need to know what bands your carrier is using, in order to determine what radio to flash.
Why you are flashing radios, without knowing if its the right one (supports your carrier's bands)? This is really careless and reckless.
Is the phone s-off? That is normally the only way you can flash radios manually (aside from a signed OTA, RUU, firmware.zip). And flashing things with s-off is a great way to brick the phone, if you flash the wrong thing (and it doesn't sound like you know well enough to know right vs. wrong).