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This or a G1 for a person like me?

well, i have a N73 right now, and i really want to get a more user-friendly phone. i like Windows mobile, and im a T-Mobile Customer. im thinking about getting the black dash, since im not really interested in the wi-fi part, but just an online browser out-side home. i have an itouch, and i just got it recently, so i dont want to throw it out or anything. im also into hacking/messing with my phones or electronics, so again, ive found some cool things on the dash that are cool. The g1 isnt appealing to me cause im not a fan of touchscreeens w/o stylus, or a slideout keyboard.
the only reason id want the g1's 3g would be to browse things like facebook, and it doesnt have a decent app for it, so im not really interested, much do i care about it.
what do u guys think? should i just go with a g1 rather than be stuck with a 3 year old phone for 2 more years? thanks!

blue_panda said:
well, i have a N73 right now, and i really want to get a more user-friendly phone. i like Windows mobile, and im a T-Mobile Customer. im thinking about getting the black dash, since im not really interested in the wi-fi part, but just an online browser out-side home. i have an itouch, and i just got it recently, so i dont want to throw it out or anything. im also into hacking/messing with my phones or electronics, so again, ive found some cool things on the dash that are cool. The g1 isnt appealing to me cause im not a fan of touchscreeens w/o stylus, or a slideout keyboard.
the only reason id want the g1's 3g would be to browse things like facebook, and it doesnt have a decent app for it, so im not really interested, much do i care about it.
what do u guys think? should i just go with a g1 rather than be stuck with a 3 year old phone for 2 more years? thanks!
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Or just wait till March when the Dash 2 is set for release... opps did I just spoil the surprise

It all depends really, it seems like you dislike alot about the g1. The g1 is set for a big time update and in my opinion is better off without a stylus. 3g browsing is unreal, superfast!!! I have both and love both but g1 is my baby now. Plus the new update will come with onscreen keyboard, video recorder, and tons of new goodies. It is new however and will take time to catch up to wm so if you decide to get it you have to be patient. Flash for g1 is also being developed by adobe. My opinion is the g1, dont lynch me guys i do love my dash lol.

IF you want to use data away from wifi, you definitely want something with 3g. There's no comparison between 3g and edge service.

haha Dash 2?? where can i see its specs or w.e, or is that the cavelier hookin up with Tmobile? im also in the process of switchin over to At&T, but ill hold off if the g1 update/ dash 2 are really that great.

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haha Dash 2?? where can i see its specs or w.e, or is that the cavelier hookin up with Tmobile? im also in the process of switchin over to At&T, but ill hold off if the g1 update/ dash 2 are really that great.
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No, dash 2 is for real, last week htc new phones for this year were leaked and it was on the list which also included pics of all the new phones coming this year. I dont have link now, but search for htc 2009 lineup.

blue_panda said:
haha Dash 2?? where can i see its specs or w.e, or is that the cavelier hookin up with Tmobile? im also in the process of switchin over to At&T, but ill hold off if the g1 update/ dash 2 are really that great.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470314

Why the dash?

Im an ex T-Mobile Dash user, now upgraded to the G1. My question is why are you guys still fooling around with a phone that's almost 4 years old? There are such better phone out there. What is it about the dash that makes you guys so in love with it?

Don't know what exactly, but i have used a S200, a Hermes, a Kaiser and a diamond. And I always go back to the excalibur.
Sure a Kaiser is nice, as is the diamond, but I just love the Dash. think I allready had a dozen of them.buy broken ones from ebay, repair them, use them for some months, resell them when I got a better looking one. you can buy the broken once really cheap and mostly only the screen has to be repaired. And a simlock is removed in no time thanx to Jocky
I just don't like a touchscreen for daily use.

RussianSolja said:
Im an ex T-Mobile Dash user, now upgraded to the G1. My question is why are you guys still fooling around with a phone that's almost 4 years old? There are such better phone out there. What is it about the dash that makes you guys so in love with it?
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First of all the G1 is no upgrade LOL its a downgrade from the Dash, its nothing to brag about. I look at the G1 as I do sidekicks, pretty useless, but a cute toy.
I keep my Dash because at the moment its still the best. If the s522 (Maple, Snap whatever its going to be called) hits T-Mo and lives up to even half of the hype around it, then I may box up the old Dash.. we will have to wait and see.

well....
I think it comes down to what you need, I can do everything that I need to with my Dash: pop email, exchange mail, google maps, streaming radio, music, tv shows from my storage card, weather, appointments, reminders, tasks, games. I'm sure that I left out a lot more things, but really that's all I need. Ever since I purchased a 16 gig card and a extended battery that doesn't stick out from the back, I've been nothing but happy with my phone. The G1 might seem like a step up, but I have no real complaints about the dash. I've always felt that the next phone I'd get would have to be leaps and bounds better than the dash, and so far I don't see much that's worth buying along with the higher rates for data. The HTC touch pro 2 might be a worthy upgrade, so lets wait and see.
Milodog

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I forgot to mention that if you compare the G1 with a regular dash, then I would side with the G1, but with the help of this forum our dash's are tweaked like crazy, which is absolutely awesome, I've never had so much fun with a phone. take care
Milodog

just like you, even now you have a G1 still coming back to see the development and exploitation with our dash. how come

because the dash is usefull and its tweaked as i want it so i could use it it the way i want it

G1 not a good example of a phone lol, i use Tilt far more tweakable than G1 Still think the Dash kicks ass for an SP it's old but it's exemely functional, can be modded to user specification and is a 1/4 price of a G1....
My question would be "Why not a Dash?"

stylez said:
G1 not a good example of a phone lol, i use Tilt far more tweakable than G1 Still think the Dash kicks ass for an SP it's old but it's exemely functional, can be modded to user specification and is a 1/4 price of a G1....
My question would be "Why not a Dash?"
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Agree my friend!
Apart from the love link one creates with a nice device like S621 exist the fact that some users don´t have the $ to change device every year, so oldest does not means bad, in fact there are some great old devices that to date still rocking even better than the new ones! Example? My Universal! and my S621!
Also Android OS is so young... I would not change to it till it has a more mature/twekable/customizable platfrom, meantime I´ll stick to WM withh al it´s defects

stylez said:
G1 not a good example of a phone lol, i use Tilt far more tweakable than G1 Still think the Dash kicks ass for an SP it's old but it's exemely functional, can be modded to user specification and is a 1/4 price of a G1....
My question would be "Why not a Dash?"
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Amen! Nuff Said

There are other 'phones?

family
I think the main reason I still use the dash is because the family is just so massive, theres no other phone out there thats 4 years old that ppl still use and still want to come out with new roms and new programs for and everyone is just so friendly and supportive to keeping it alive

Why not the Dash?
For me, its a question of money. Firstly, I got into the drivers seat of the Dash for free, with no strings attached, literally. Yes, the Dash was $99 dollars, but My rebate Visa debit card for $100 is shipped as we speak, so basically I made a dollar on the deal. I would have had to pay $199 for the G1 with a two year contract, and me wants nothing to do with that, at least not at the moment.
Secondly, this is my first venture into smartphones or PPC's. I have a long history of standard phones, Moto V3re, Samsung hue, heck, even my Moto V190 is still working fine. I am willing to monkey around with the Dash more than I would, say, the G1. When I do get the G1 I won't be modding it at all, better believe that. I don't mind messing with the Dash, because if I brick it, I am really not out anything. I will in no way tinker with a more higher end smartphone or PPC that I am sure I will purchase when I tire of the Dash.
Thirdly, the Dash has everything and all that I want for the moment just starting to delve into the smartphone realm. I mean, WiFi, instant sync with my home comp., no problems when syncing with my laptop on the road for internet access, instant mail and messaging, PDA like functionality, I mean, the list goes on on and on. Oh, and did I mention, the qwerty keyboard one hand operation.
Granted, I know my Dash is a grandpa in this era of the new punks of superphones that are coming out practically every day. I know my Dash is antiquated and soon to be on T-Mobs chopping block. And I know that it goes just the same as computers, the day you buy it, it is already outdated. But, I love my Dash.

Let me turn your question around. Why *not* the Dash?
It's a well built smartphone, that runs the latest version of Windows (thanks to the guys at this forum) as well as the new phones. Additionally, the cost of entry or replacement is minimal.
I own mine, and have only about $50 in it, total. I use it with an ATT SIM, which means that my other options would have included a GoPhone...I have no desire to be under contract with any company.
So, why not a Dash?
4 years seems like a lot, but when you consider that the actual insides of most WM Smartphones haven't changed significantly...including the amount of RAM (are you listening, HTC?)...then why not just go for a well supported, good looking, and remarkably cheap phone that does everything we want it to...and which puts the "glamour" phones like the RAZR and BlackBerry to shame?
Chuck

so now you know!

RussianSolja said:
Im an ex T-Mobile Dash user, now upgraded to the G1. My question is why are you guys still fooling around with a phone that's almost 4 years old? There are such better phone out there. What is it about the dash that makes you guys so in love with it?
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Compared to my Kaiser, the Excaliburs keyboard is much easier to use. I gave my Excalibur to my son, but there are times I want it back. Only thing that really eliminates the Ex for me is the lack of GPS. The camera on the Ex is actually much beter than the Kaiser as well. Hopefully, they address this with the Touch Pro 2. Touch screen is handy, but it can be annoying at times too.

Why not?
Best phone I've had, even when I look at my iPhone.

Bupahs said:
First of all the G1 is no upgrade LOL its a downgrade from the Dash, its nothing to brag about. I look at the G1 as I do sidekicks, pretty useless, but a cute toy.
I keep my Dash because at the moment its still the best. If the s522 (Maple, Snap whatever its going to be called) hits T-Mo and lives up to even half of the hype around it, then I may box up the old Dash.. we will have to wait and see.
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You obviously have no clue what your talking about. The dash is a thing of the past and although i love my dash it isn't even in the same league as the g1. I know we all love our dashes but it is no upgrade over the g1 don't kid yourself. The g1 and sidekicks are 2 way different phones and i can say that because i have owned both. Sidekick is for messaging and email. Its obvious you don't own either a sidekick or g1 cause you compare them as if they are the same phone. Yes they both have keyboards, that's where it ends. I'm not being a jerk man don't get me wrong but saying a g1 is a downgrade from dash is like saying rotary phones are an upgrade over touch dial phones.

stylez said:
G1 not a good example of a phone lol, i use Tilt far more tweakable than G1 Still think the Dash kicks ass for an SP it's old but it's exemely functional, can be modded to user specification and is a 1/4 price of a G1....
My question would be "Why not a Dash?"
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I still have mine so i love both. I know you don't have a g1 so your comments really don't hold much weight, but the g1 is fully customizable now and will only get better. The g1 is a real phone, don't really understand how you 2 can speak on a phone you don't use. The only reason i'm commenting is because i have used all and own both g1 and dash. You know i respect you very much man so don't take my comments as an insult k? Don't mean it that way and thats directed towards both of you.

Had a Dash, supposedly "upgraded" to G1, then "downgraded" to Dash. Used both, Dash won.

getting a new phone

hey you guys,
im getting a new phone soon and dont really know what to get.
any suggestions? ive got 150 dollars to spend.
thank you

LOL dude i just created a new thread over in the Maple Forums letting them know i was moving on..
i just ordered the Touch Pro 2 from Verizon for myself and the Touch Pro for my fiance.
u got $150 hop on ebay and grab a TouchPro thats ur best bet for ur buck!
and the modding and clarity is gonna rock ur socks!!

walmart has got alot of T-mo phones for about %30 less than retail.

phatmanxxl said:
walmart has got alot of T-mo phones for about %30 less than retail.
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sweet, i was thinking the new mytouch 3g

they got em there, it caught my eye when was walking by the kiosk today. I forget the price though. they still have black Dash's there too. Get em while their still hot!

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they got em there, it caught my eye when was walking by the kiosk today. I forget the price though. they still have black Dash's there too. Get em while their still hot!
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i actually have a black dash right now lol, i love my dash, and will probably still use it, just want something new.

Add another 50 and visit marketplace section
You can find a good touch pro for around 200-300

orb3000 said:
Add another 50 and visit marketplace section
You can find a good touch pro for around 200-300
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i would but i dont have another 50 lol

If you don't have a Kasier\Tilt then can't go wrong for £150, just been checking ebay.com and many in your price range, not much else with such a great ammount of ROMs and good spec

smjfosho said:
i actually have a black dash right now lol, i love my dash, and will probably still use it, just want something new.
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I just "upgraded" from the regular dash to the "Black" dash (I really just purchased a black dash from ebay and swapped the case with my dash so I wouldn't have to reinstall and setup everything all over again).
I have to say, the "black" dash just looks so much more hi-tech then my original "steel" faceplate one

smjfosho said:
i would but i dont have another 50 lol
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Anyway, stay tuned to marketplace
Some times you can get really great deals!
Good luck and let us know what you buyed

JohnCody said:
I just "upgraded" from the regular dash to the "Black" dash (I really just purchased a black dash from ebay and swapped the case with my dash so I wouldn't have to reinstall and setup everything all over again).
I have to say, the "black" dash just looks so much more hi-tech then my original "steel" faceplate one
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that is so FAIL... the chrome faceplate is 100x better. and really... i think it'd be easier to reflash and install than swap cases. I'm guessing you don't save everything on a sim card and backup your registry. you should try it... really...

just get a mytouch 3g with the promo code. 99 bucks that means you got 51 for a nice case and a large pizza for dinner

aznwannabe358 said:
just get a mytouch 3g with the promo code. 99 bucks that means you got 51 for a nice case and a large pizza for dinner
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even if your already with tmobile you can use that?

Moto Cliq
Im waiting for the release of the motorola cliq next month. Its android, nice keyboard with no chin, and the touchscreen supports multiple touch (unlike g1).
Thats what im doing.

yggdrasil said:
Im waiting for the release of the motorola cliq next month. Its android, nice keyboard with no chin, and the touchscreen supports multiple touch (unlike g1).
Thats what im doing.
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Multi-touch is enabled by the OS, not the hardware. The new version of Android that will be on the Cliq will also be available for the G1 and MyTouch. Word is that multi-touch is already built into Cupcake it is just turned off by default.

multi touch.
Not true, some screens support it better than others.
The g1 has an older screen that althought it does work, it doesnt work say as good as the my touch.
But the mytouch doesnt have a keybaord.

yggdrasil said:
Not true, some screens support it better than others.
The g1 has an older screen that althought it does work, it doesnt work say as good as the my touch.
But the mytouch doesnt have a keybaord.
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Multi touch works just as good on my g1 as it does mytouch. the cliq is going to be running donut most likely instead of cupcake but cyanogen's mod has close to a third of the donut's tree already working and it won't be long till we see a prerelease of donut on the g1 and mytouch like we've seen 6.5 here on the excalibur forum. And the mytouch is fail from a lack of keyboard. The only decent way to type is to turn if sideways and the keyboard still doesn't stand up the samsungs memoir and beholds. I swear if those phones had android id call the g1 a fluke in a heartbeat

i finally got a mytouch 3g, i love it

My Vouge is going bye bye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcec
'nuff said.

Bell doesn't have any android phones.
So I run it from my vogue..

Good luck!

Same here. Verizon says they are releasing two Android phone by the end of the year so I'm gonna wait to see what the other one is but by the end of the year I'll be using an Android phone. Tired of running it on my slow Vogue

man I saw that commercial today, I want one SOO bad.... too bad bell sucks for phones

Rumors seem to be that the second Motorola Android phone will be the forgotten Calgary, which some had thought to have changed into the Sholes/Toa/Droid. Leaked pictures of the Calgary shows a step down from the Droid, but the back indicates that it will include MotoBlur, as apposed to the Droid's "with Google" label. If that's the case, I will more than likely get the Droid for myself, and get the Calgary for my wife.

Unless there's something show-stopping about the Droid's default firmware, I'm sure we'll be able to just throw SenseUI or MotoBlur onto it without much trouble.
But yeah. I'm getting the Droid, hands down. Surely it won't be more than $200 on contract, right?

Finally a phone with a good UI and good hardware for Verizon. I can't wait to get one of these.

justjosh0368 said:
Finally a phone with a good UI and good hardware for Verizon. I can't wait to get one of these.
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Don't hold your breath... Verizon will find some way to cripple it... they always do.
They are the masters at taking an otherwise great phone and stripping out the useful features and just "dumbing it down" in general

sbarne3 said:
Don't hold your breath... Verizon will find some way to cripple it... they always do.
They are the masters at taking an otherwise great phone and stripping out the useful features and just "dumbing it down" in general
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I agree Verizon has a way of screwing up a good thing.

iDont like real keyboards on phones.
I prefer on screen keyboards i might be getting the hero MAYBE... I want a windows mobile... i love how much you can customize..

hexto said:
Same here. Verizon says they are releasing two Android phone by the end of the year so I'm gonna wait to see what the other one is but by the end of the year I'll be using an Android phone. Tired of running it on my slow Vogue
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didnt read all of this post but it looks like the Leo will be the other Verizon Andriod, im soo torn on all of this i do like WM6.5 & have gotten use to how it works. But Android has more current stuff now, i really want a Leo with a Cooked Rom

magicalan said:
iDont like real keyboards on phones.
I prefer on screen keyboards i might be getting the hero MAYBE... I want a windows mobile... i love how much you can customize..
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My roommate has the Hero, I am not very impressed. Very slow processor, even though it has the same as the vogue it runs really slow. The open source operating system is great (he has tons of free apps and games), doesn't quite make up for the processor. The capacitive touch screen isn't any where near the iphone either. Wait for the HTC Leo, that is when everything will change, 1 ghz processor makes me salivate.

I agree with navy, the Leo, which is set to come out in early 2010, is the iphone killer.

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My roommate has the Hero, I am not very impressed. Very slow processor, even though it has the same as the vogue it runs really slow. The open source operating system is great (he has tons of free apps and games), doesn't quite make up for the processor. The capacitive touch screen isn't any where near the iphone either. Wait for the HTC Leo, that is when everything will change, 1 ghz processor makes me salivate.
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i think our android hero ports for the vogue run just as good if not better than the hero

Godbye Rhodium

Loved you very much. Moved onto a Backflip. Couldn't take the lack of support for the speaker on Android. For those of you looking for an Android phone I recommend the Backflip... It's slicker, and even better: it's free with a new plan on AT&T
Even still good luck with this Android port.
If anyone wants to buy a used T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 I'm selling it on eBay and it's only at 125$ bidding so far...

The backflip is literally the worst Android phone made. Just trying searching google or side loading apps on it. You will be unpleasantly surprised.

Yeah, I'm moving to a iPhone next week and will also be putting my TP2 on eBay. Good luck on ur eBay auction.
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LOL
There is a reason that with a new contract the backflip is free and the TP2 is still $250....
Motorola makes crap.

wow
this thread is pointless

It's ok, I just got a TP2 so there will always be new users!

no one cares... what is this? craigslist? go advertise somewhere else.

wow just wow
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Loved you very much. Moved onto a Backflip. Couldn't take the lack of support for the speaker on Android. For those of you looking for an Android phone I recommend the Backflip... It's slicker, and even better: it's free with a new plan on AT&T
Even still good luck with this Android port.
If anyone wants to buy a used T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 I'm selling it on eBay and it's only at 125$ bidding so far...
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ok honestly you just made the WORST decision in history! why the heck would you drop the TP2 for the crappiest phone on the planet? slicker and better is more like uglier and horrible, worst perfomance, and of course Android Market is locked down, you cant load any third party apps! and why you didnt get the Aria? its 10000x more better but whatever and moving to a backflip just because you couldnt get speaker support on the Android port is a real unacceptable excuse, its a PORT! TouchPro2 was made for Windows Mobile, dont expect the devs to make everything to work in one shot, it seems like you insulted the port project by moving to an actual android because lack of sound, dont worry youll regret the whole decision!
ugh my venting session is done -.- total pointless thread, sorry but i just had to rant, because thats the worst decision ive seen from a consumer

xero_racer, roast much lol, I agree with you and all, cause Im like big time trying my best to get the sound working, and I am a noob when it comes to all of this, but im still tryin cause I speak tiny amounts of C++.and I can usually figure stuff out, and this kinda upset me cause that just makes me feel like i'm wasting my time towards something that people wont appreciate...

@reefer
Yeah. I haven't heard anything good about the Motorola Droid or the Droid X. /s
Just because one phone cost more than another doesn't mean squat.
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I haven't heard anything good about the Motorola Droid or the Droid X. /s
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Odd. The droid is one of the best performing phones on the market, period. The build quality is unusually high for Motorola. I'm sure the Droid X follows suit, the specs are nothing to laugh at.
Motorola Android phones that have extremely LOW build quality and are also low spec'ed:
Cliq
Cliq XT
Backflip

always liked the nexus one for a native android phone, just not a phone i feel like buying though.

Nice. Motorola's cell phones almost shut their entire mobile division down. The droid was their saving grace, but the backflip and the cliq have been plagued with problems, including a possible lack of upgradability to eclair without rooting. Lack of sound is to be expected in a build that's still in development, I hope you didn't get this pone with the sole intent of installing android.
Sorry about your lack of taste, but you should expect to be flamed when opening a thread bashing an excellent piece of hardware.

ive been thinking about switching to an android phone. but not a backflip. its horrible. its slow, ugly, outdated, have you tried using that thing they call a keyboard? my brother has an aria and i love it, but id prefer something like a touch pro 2 with android. i might settle in the future for something like a nexus one with an htc sense rom. a sense rom is whats tempting.

Have u ever used a backflip or cliq?
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The backflip is literally the worst Android phone made. Just trying searching google or side loading apps on it. You will be unpleasantly surprised.
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Totally second that lol

what about the Samsung Epic 4G. It has almost the same form factor as the tp2 but a larger screen.
I cant wait to get that in gsm.

The Backflip is not that bad depending on what type of user you are. If you active in this forum then most likely it is not the phone for you. My wife got one and she loves it. She is not a power user though. She likes to make phone calls, text messaging, the occasional photo upload, very light web surfing and facebook. She has no interest in side loading apps or any of that other stuff. For her the backflip suites all of her need.
For anyone else here that would like to switch over to a native Android phone I suggest you take a look at the Samsung Captivate. It is a highly anticipated phone and is supposed to be just as powerful as the Droid X. It releases this coming sunday the 18th of July. For those of you who can't live without a keyboard then you maybe out of luck cause the Backflip is the only Android phone on AT&T witih a keyboard.
I myself am a power user who needs the latest and greatest in both hardware and software. I though have grown very tired of Windows Mobile and the daily reboots just to keep it running well enough to use. I am also out of patients waiting for a full working port of Android. The developers here do an awsome job and I am not puttingi them down. I just want to switch to Android and I want to do it yesterday. I to have put my Tilt 2 up on Ebay and will be purchasing the Captivate this coming Sunday.

Samsung Epic 4G/Captivate/Vibrant/Fascinate (all versions of the Samsung Galaxy S) looks like the go-to phone if you're leaving XDAndroid. I'll probably be getting the Vibrant once it's released on T-mo.
Nothing against the Rhodium, but mine's beat up (probably only good for parts) and I don't normally keep a phone as long as I've kept this one. If anyone needs a t-mobile Touch Pro 2 for parts or whatever, PM me after the 15th.

Woah
Am i missing something or did any one realize he spelled goodbye wrong?