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Shame about the processor....
It´s almost the same as my 2005 Universal....
Anyway it´s something to consider!
udgn said:
TouchPro2 no Flash.
Just Stick to your TouchPro:
1. NO CAMERA FLASH:
To HTC... Accept the fact that we end-up relying to the phones
camera; Who wants to go to a PARTY!!! WhooooWho!!, Activity or
to anywhere.... ohhh! wait [email protected]*# WITH a Camera and a phone (2
devices to carry with).... VEEERY UNCOMFORTABLE it is, NO PARTY
WILL BE.
2. DON'T FALL FOR IT: Thinnnk!
They did this:
- Removed the TILT capabilities from the TouhPro, and added Flash (a mayor for decent pics).
- Removed the FLASH from TP2, and leaved same camera 3.2.
- Infra RED from tilt, ETC, ETC, ETC.
Whyyyy???? THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE....BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO
BUY THE TP2, or in other words FORCED US to UPGRADE.
It is ALL well planed.
Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and
the more stylish design IMO (None of them are reason for
upgrade), the only thing worth for an upgrade is the
integration and usability of the TouchFlo 3D that integrates
with the OS and overall apps "PEOPLE CENTRIC", VERY GOOD, and will help you avoid 3rd parties Apps.
but......
.... Thank GOD, Angels, and whoever you believe in, that
XDA-Developers exist, BECAUSE I will just STICK with my
TouchPRO and will Integrate the TP2 Software into my
device, until TP3, TP4 or until they stop playing or RUN
OUT of OPTIONS to MUCK US.
For those with a TILT... Just upgrade to TouchPRO, is worth it. It have same Procesor and Memory, and you will get it in a VERY GOOD PRICE.
For those with a TouchPRO ..... Stick with it and support XDA-Developers, and just modified it as YOU like it.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
I don't get all the negative vibes in the Rhodium forum?
So I have the device. Sitting right in front me at this moment. I also have the Touch Pro. I'd definately pick the Rhodium, you just have to see the screen to understand. It looks like it could eat an iPhone for breakfast. The back lighting under the keys is just wicked cool... all the keys are translucent on the sides but not on the top and the white led's light up the whole thing. Its fantastic.
I'll attach a panaromic shot I did of my very dim light kitchen. It came out incrediably.
Ahhh! Whatt? Think again, Think twice.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Wow, I have a couple things to say about that.
1. I was raised by a single mother and very NOT spoiled having to also take care of my younger bro. growing up...oh, what's a father??
2. Anyway you are still missing what I'm saying I'm not saying flash and IR are useless I'm saying if you are going from a TILT to a touch pro2 you won’t' miss a feature that you never had. Yes they removed it and it's probably because IR is old tech and flash is still considered consumer. Yes you can go on about how you can use it BUT the fact of the matter is that's what they consider it as. I'm not saying ME but HTC decided that. And the evidence is in their phones.
Next time you want to slam my knowledge of business actually read what I said (even though you said you read it twice) not once did I say that "People don't need this" or "People don't need that" I said "marketed" HTC has a way they market their phones whether you like it or not, it's just how they work. Also don't ever mention an Iphone to me. I hate apple with a passion
Guys Take It Easy
I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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from what I understand all the different radios like, wifi, BT, IR, 3g, etc...take up physical space in the phone and you can only make the phone so big. I'm sure HTC has a priority system on what they should have on the phone and it probably goes something like 3G, BT, Wifi, then IR and I think they only put IR if they possibly can and I'm sure a led light is lower than that. but I would like to see IR and a flash there are some pretty cool things that can be dones especially with an IR port.
the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
kluks said:
the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
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where did you get it?? Also what bands does it support.
let me get this right.
this phone doesnt have a flash?
a dated processer too? is the processor better than the TP?
i agree stick with touch pro the next device i go for is not the tp2 i know now...Maybe a shift ...
The lamest of them all
Ok so I will add my 2 cents, I had the Tilt and when I found out about the Touch HD, i couldnt wait to get my hands on it. I did, i like it and i have it but miss my keyboard dearly. The touch keypad is nice but its not like having physical keys.
I have had my touch HD for about 3 months and plan on putting it up on Ebay, keeping my Tilt and selling it on Ebay once the Touch Pro 2 comes out and getting it. I know the processor is smaller which is ALMOST a deal breaker, i dont have a flash on my camera now and dont really care but going down to a 3.15 meg cam from a 5 kinda sucks too but whatever. I like a keypad, "Gimme da keeeeys ill drive!!!"
Also how much slow down do you think i can expect coming from the 7201 processor to the 7200? Doenst seem like it would be much of a difference. Not a deal breaker thats for sure. The camera issue sucks but whatever im not big on pics really. Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML? Deal breaker? I know the HD is a much better phone but i really miss typing with keys
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Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML?
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WAP is the mobile view of internet and HTML is the standard (barely) for internet for PC. However that shouldn't matter to you since we have Opera Mobile and that runs most everything pretty well.
HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
daphix said:
HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
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Read the link posted in first post.
Or click device database at the top of the forum.
Dave
Grrr, I wish it had an 800Mhz Snapdragon Processor, or even one that isn't Qualcomm . . .
just giving my own opinion here
first of all i own the touch pro..
honestly i couldnt care less that the TP2 has no flash. Looking at the TP1 it has a crappy flash to begin with..wanna take a pic at night?i suggest you start praying they COULD put a better flash on it but i dont see the use for it..HTC Phones are not known for their camera quality anyway...
As about the TP2 being worth it..PERSONALLY i say hell yes..I find the bigger screen a HUGE benefit as compared to the TP1..Thats along with other small benefits of course..I use TF3D2 on my touch pro now andits great..but it surely is a different feeling when you use it on a bigger screen
too bad my contract will last an extra year so i cant make the jump now
Sprint TP2 Worldphone?
Somwhere I have seen that Sprint would release the TP2 as Worldphone. Means with CDMA and GSM radios. Somebody out there who can give thoughts on this? Oh, got it http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1792 .
does anybody know or has anyone heard anything about the touch pro 2 on at&t? when i saw HTC's leaked '09 lineup, it said the barium was for at&t, and the barium looks like the TP2. i read on the at&t forum that the barium indeed is the TP2 for at&t. if this is true i really hope it doesnt look the way it did in the leak. i hope it looks just like the TP2 on the htc website. i mean cmon, the barium has a green keyboard! anyway, if anyone knows of any tips or has any info, please reply!
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does anybody know or has anyone heard anything about the touch pro 2 on at&t? when i saw HTC's leaked '09 lineup, it said the barium was for at&t, and the barium looks like the TP2. i read on the at&t forum that the barium indeed is the TP2 for at&t. if this is true i really hope it doesnt look the way it did in the leak. i hope it looks just like the TP2 on the htc website. i mean cmon, the barium has a green keyboard! anyway, if anyone knows of any tips or has any info, please reply!
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LOL sorry but dont worry I dought that it will have a green keybaord, but if it does... lol
but I think T-mobile messed up the design too but it seems more realistic, but like seriously why do they do tha?t HTC knows what they're doing you don't have to make the design worse to make the phone nique, but oh well I wich t-mobile didnt mess up the back, and also the front doesnt look NEARLY as good either, and in leaked pics they took off the crhome part on the side, like OMG THEY COMPLETELY RUINED THE FRAME but oh well, I guess its not that it looks bad its just that it looks ugly next to the original touch pro 2 but lol i still dont think the [email protected] version will have a green keyboard
Link278 said:
LOL sorry but dont worry I dought that it will have a green keybaord, but if it does... lol
but I think T-mobile messed up the design too but it seems more realistic, but like seriously why do they do tha?t HTC knows what they're doing you don't have to make the design worse to make the phone nique, but oh well I wich t-mobile didnt mess up the back, and also the front doesnt look NEARLY as good either, and in leaked pics they took off the crhome part on the side, like OMG THEY COMPLETELY RUINED THE FRAME but oh well, I guess its not that it looks bad its just that it looks ugly next to the original touch pro 2 but lol i still dont think the [email protected] version will have a green keyboard
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man I really hope it doesn't have a green keyboard. I looked at pics of other carriers too, including AT&T. it doesn't even look like the front facing camera is there anymore. and the back doesn't look anything like the HTC branded model. I like the whole grille thing! and the silver back with black front. if carriers wanna make the phones they release unique, they shouldn't change so much of the hardware and the appearance. like you said, HTC's phones are already well-designed. but the carriers mess them up.
and link278, you're lucky! tmobile is the first carrier to announce the TP2 (supposedly) I hope AT&T is next!! I need an upgrade
are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
fone_fanatic said:
are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
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yep. that picture. yeah I agree I will still buy when it comes out (I already saved up enough money ). but they better not make it green. you reassured me I didn't really think about the business aspect of it.
I just wish I knew when exactly it would hit us AT&T users. I'm getting anxious
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and link278, you're lucky! tmobile is the first carrier to announce the TP2 (supposedly) I hope AT&T is next!! I need an upgrade
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thanks but look at these pic:
that d474rpr put up, like really t-mobile did mess up the back too
http://d474rpr.com/?p=120
adn they messed up the front too:
http://www.brighthand.com/assets/9982.jpg
and according to this the front and back wasnt enough they had to mess up the side too:
http://www.new-cell-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/htc-tungsten-cell-phone-t-mobile.jpg
I loved the original design why do carriers have to mess up the designs?
but like fone_fanatic said I will still get it lol.
but if it had a green keybaord, (which I am pretty sure wont happen) I would stick with my tilt till something better looking came around cause that would look really stuiped and kinda ugly it doesnt make sence to have a black sleek phone and then this dull green keybaord i nthe middle of it, I really like the metallic black and silver, that's my favorite color combo but whatever its not that bad its just disapointing I guess I could live with it. (The t-mobile design not a green keyboard lol)
No US carrier has announced the TP2 except Sprint and they were just internal sheets. Now, someone who leaked a few release dates for T-Mobile seems to be right on par. The HTC maple (July 1) just entered the FCC and seems to match up with was has been expected. The TP2 has yet to show anything at the FCC except a European/Asian model. Why the FCC has stats on a foreign model phone, I don't know but whatever. It seems if July 22nd is the correct date... T-Mobile will be the first to release the TP2 (the first "first" in US carrier history, lol)
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thanks but look at these pic:
that d474rpr put up, like really t-mobile did mess up the back too
http://d474rpr.com/?p=120
adn they messed up the front too:
http://www.brighthand.com/assets/9982.jpg
and according to this the front and back wasnt enough they had to mess up the side too:
http://www.new-cell-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/htc-tungsten-cell-phone-t-mobile.jpg
I loved the original design why do carriers have to mess up the designs?
but like fone_fanatic said I will still get it lol.
but if it had a green keybaord, (which I am pretty sure wont happen) I would stick with my tilt till something better looking came around cause that would look really stuiped and kinda ugly it doesnt make sence to have a black sleek phone and then this dull green keybaord i nthe middle of it, I really like the metallic black and silver, that's my favorite color combo but whatever its not that bad its just disapointing I guess I could live with it. (The t-mobile design not a green keyboard lol)
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What stood out to me on those pics at least was that the front facing camera is still there. However, that may just be a European T-Mobile thing. Still, I'm a little positive about it. That front facing camera could affect my next choice of carrier.
This is one of the reasons I am coming off T-Mobile and going to but the pro2 unbranded. They have to mess with everything and turn everything on your phone pink. I don't even like pink as a colour.
it's not only tmobile that messes around with phones' appearance. all carriers LOVE to make the phones unique, when HTC has already designed them well. I'm gonna buy the phone regardless; I just hope the keyboard isn't some wacked out color like green or pink or whatever.
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This is one of the reasons I am coming off T-Mobile and going to but the pro2 unbranded. They have to mess with everything and turn everything on your phone pink. I don't even like pink as a colour.
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lol t-mobile isnt making it pink its gonna be all black
poppinpengawen said:
it's not only tmobile that messes around with phones' appearance. all carriers LOVE to make the phones unique, when HTC has already designed them well. I'm gonna buy the phone regardless; I just hope the keyboard isn't some wacked out color like green or pink or whatever.
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I know I still want it too, I guess it still looks pretty nice, and alot better than a kaiser, but honestly, why do they have to make it unique by making it look worse? Like seriously HTC does know what they are doing why doesnt t-mobile just stick to giving people reception and puttign there name on the phone I dont mind T-mobile written on the phone but it looked so nice before, it had chrome on the sides, metalic black front and they ruined the buttons on hte fron too even thought its still metalic black, and also the back doesnt look nearly as good but oh well I should just be happy that it actually is coming to t-mobile but the original design made it the best looking phone that I have ever seen.
The TP2 is definitely in the cards for me as soon as it becomes available for AT&T. Has anyone seen a posted specualtion on that arrival date? I believe I read somewhere it could be as late as November for the TP2 from AT&T. If it is that long away... at least that gives me more time to save up some money. Because when it is launched for AT&T, and if it is green as the Barium pics show, that's enough to make me pay double the price to have HTC's unbranded clean looking version. If AT&T doesn't hack it up, then I'll be glad to purchase it through them.
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The TP2 is definitely in the cards for me as soon as it becomes available for AT&T. Has anyone seen a posted specualtion on that arrival date? I believe I read somewhere it could be as late as November for the TP2 from AT&T. If it is that long away... at least that gives me more time to save up some money. Because when it is launched for AT&T, and if it is green as the Barium pics show, that's enough to make me pay double the price to have HTC's unbranded clean looking version. If AT&T doesn't hack it up, then I'll be glad to purchase it through them.
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i haven't heard anything regarding a definite release date for the TP2 on AT&T. but i have heard rumors that it will come out around the same time of the year that the tilt came out, which is october/november. it's late, but as long as it comes out i'm fine with it. like you said, it'll give us time to save up money. this phone IS coming out for AT&T right? Tilt 2??
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are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
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More hippie/hacker than childish, but either way your point stands. I don't mind the back too much personally, but that keyboard is over the top. I'd prefer something a little more subtle.
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man I really hope it doesn't have a green keyboard. I looked at pics of other carriers too, including AT&T. it doesn't even look like the front facing camera is there anymore. and the back doesn't look anything like the HTC branded model. I like the whole grille thing! and the silver back with black front. if carriers wanna make the phones they release unique, they shouldn't change so much of the hardware and the appearance. like you said, HTC's phones are already well-designed. but the carriers mess them up.
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The reason there is no front-facing camera on the TP2 is because no US carrier supports video calling.. yet
Are there any specs for the barium, yet? Like, does the screen tilt? tv-out?etc.?
i've been really curious about something: whats the deal with sim unlocked phones? if i buy a TP2 sim unlocked, i'd be able to use it with any carrier that has a sim card, correct? but my question is, would i be able to use the carriers bands with the phone? like, if i buy the TP2 and transfer my sim card from my tilt to the TP2, would i still get at&t's 3G network? i've never actually known the answer to this :/
It depends if the phone has the compatible frequencies. It usually will have the correct 3G frequencies if it's officially released in that country. Like the Kaiser has support for every frequency set you'd ever need, because it was released internationally, unlike the Touch HD, for example. I'm planning to buy my Touch Pro2 unlocked this time, so I don't have to put up with stupid AT&T. They always manage to ruin the devices in some way, whether it be the keyboard, the color, the Manilla 3D, or the bloatware, or some other travesty.
And, after rambling for a good paragraph or so, the short answer is yes, it should work on AT&T's 3G bands because it's being officially released in the US (confirmed by HTC on its twitter account).
Dave
My mind is made up, I need this phone. And I need it as soon as it hits US Shores (well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
But what will I do about one of the best features on my Touch Pro? The Flash!! I was just using it now as I was checking out the storm outside - without thinking!! Hit the PTT button, nueLight pops open, smash the bright button, and I'm good to go.
So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
I'm really upset by this one. More upset than losing the Front Facing Camera in the US. My only hope is AT&T puts it in like they do with the keyboard and PTT button (yeah not gonna happen I know)
*cries*
you can use one of the ~100 display -light applications out there...
displaying a white screen, at maximum brightness...
I too will miss the flashlight aspect, but for taking pictures it doesn't do jack.
i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.
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i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.
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It's an interesting device, especially the fingerprint scanner (/dpad/mouse ). Pocketnow noted the cheap feel of the construction (thank you eten) their unboxing and hardware tour (new this morning), and despite their early opinion, I'm pretty sure I'm going to like the TP2's keyboard better (use Fn to get comma and period ). And of course, no TF3D. This will be my first winmo, and TF3D is the bait in the trap. It's a dealbreaker for me.
But I don't plan on buying a TP2 on day 1, I plan on waiting for a price decrease, so it's to my benefit if other TP2 lovers jump ship for the competition as it will put more price pressure on HTC.
thehyecircus said:
So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
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This may be just what you're looking for:
http://www.phonephlash.com/meet.html
Never tried, but found it when I was considering getting a touch hd. Good luck.
Heh, that's a unique item. I wonder if I could... fit it under the case somehow...
And yeah, I wouldn't trust a non-HTC smartphone at this rate unless it's the iPhone, and I can't use a phone without a keyboard or multitasking. XDA is also such a great, practically life saving group that I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be sitting blindly in Windows Mobile world, wondering why the hell my phone is so slow.
<3 XDA
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(well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
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uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].
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uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].
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I'm prepared to wait 6-12 months , but I'm hopeful that because the TP2 is releasing right on the cusp of a technology hop--with the snapdragon pushing the speed limit quite a bit, and with a number of direct competitors like the m900 and n97 and x2 and with a lot of similar buns in other ovens--the TP2 won't take as long to succomb to price pressures. The only problem is, it's an incredible phone, so if there's any justice in the world for HTC, the price should start climb after launch, not fall. I'm anti-justice for this particular round.
$50 is pie in the sky, but I assume he was going for hyperbole. I imagine Amazon will have it down at least $100 off whatever the initial 2 year contract price starts out as within 6 months. In a year, it might well drop within spitting distance of $150 total--where the Fuze was last I checked.
I actually plan on going prepaid, so I have no intention of signing a new contract. So a lot of those price drops won't help me. Still I'm hoping it debuts w/o contract at an even $700 (around what Clove charges) and drops to $550-600 in 6 months or less.
My last phone was the TP1 and I loved the flashlight. Two weeks ago I bought the TP2 and never noticed the lack of flashlight. Today I tried to make a picture in the dark and couldn't find the flashlight option, now I know why
Looks like we have a verified date (which pretty much everyone's seen) for T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-touch-pro-2-coming-august-12th.html
The real question is, where does AT&T fit in here? 2 Weeks after? 1 Month after? 2 Months after? 3 Months after? Never? We've seen all of those times speculated, but no real leads. Get on the ball AT&T; we are waiting!
ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky
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ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky
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unless of coarse something get leaked right?
Link278 said:
unless of coarse something get leaked right?
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Well... we've seen photos leaked of all the other US carriers' versions... but not AT&T. If a PICTURE hasn't even been leaked yet, I have to doubt how much AT&T leakage we'll be hearing.
... whoa, that sounded like a problem for a doctor to look at...
I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...
These aren't photos, they are concept mock-ups.
Photos refer to actual photos of the device, such as in the wild, like how the T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon versions were first shown.
Well they are photos to me.
Your definition of photos might refer to "in the wild".
I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that if we haven't seen any blurry cam/ phone on jeans picture/ in the wild photos the phone isn't coming in the near future.
What I posted is definitively leaked and definitively a photo IMO...
Also if T-Mo's TP2 got to FCC April 1st and got released August 12.
Fortress got to FCC June 5th, and looking at the Fuze release, I wouldn't expect the phone to hit ATT before September/October but this is pure speculation from my part.
I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
To summarize, I think the slide image is an old HTC render given to At&t and the actual phone may retain the color scheme, but the keyboard will change and we don't know about a front-facing camera or a 3.5mm audio jack.
Although I am hoping for a mid to late August release, I actually agree that it will probably be closer to your expected September/October.
Ya its kinda weird because last year we saw many leaked photos of the fuze. There were constant rumors, leaked rebate sheets, etc months before the release. It is worrying that we have yet to hear a single word about this device..
"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.
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"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.
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Oh crap,
This statement was misguided. I didn't use this slide as proof either, but with ATT tendency to mess with the keyboard, and to favor a "keypad" on the fuze instead the top row numbers. With the extra space I could see them having this keypad, so I will revise my statement:
I wouln't be surprised if the final design is similar to that.
It's also true that "leakage" and info has been pretty scarce compared to the Fuze, but again the Fuze did come later in November...
All we have for the Fortress is the name, and that it did hit FCC...
heh, easy one to miss - I'm glad you seem to have taken my comment as it was intended (to be on the humorous side, not the condescending side ).
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I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...
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Let's hope they do change the Fortress from these photos.....no 3.5 mm jack on these. Either way, myself and may others are in dyer need of an upgrade. People, don't take the bait and be fooled and hastily jump for the Iphone 3Gs. Let's all wait it out and put the pressure on AT&T to get with it.
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I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
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I've seen that render (or was it a render? I bet so) too - it pretty much looked exactly like the Euro, just with the color scheme of the previous linked render. Probably just someone's take on what is closer to reality. Can't find a link to it to share with you guys, sorry!
I too am worried about the lack of in the wild photos. I was suspecting that Sprint and Verizon were further off from releasing the TP2 than AT&T was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Personally I don't mind the color scheme of that weird looking render. But I'm pretty much forced to go with AT&T because of institutional discounts... it'd just be way more expensive to go with a different carrier just to get the TP2.
Yeah, the thing is I'm pretty sure the render with the same color scheme was actually released before the At&t slide containing the Fortress was leaked. I think that render was even used in some news outlet's report on HTC making the Touch Pro 2.
Maybe that color scheme is just the first one HTC made and then changed it for all the actual models produced, realizing the colors were kind of crazy for a business phone (the group the phone is marketed to). I don't mind the color either (it reminds me of Iron Man and he is my favorite comic book superhero ). I think we may end up with another slick black model, similar to the Fuze, though.
I just hope they will keep the front-facing camera; I thought At&t was going to start changing the video share service to a video calling service. If they add the 3.5mm jack in that would be cool too.
What is with att? I can remember when they were the first to release the sliding keyboards before the rest. The 8x25's were advance when they were released considiering the offering of t-moble and sprint. There was to official release date and the restocking date. The iphone really crap up the situation. They still release the 8x25's along side during thier command the blackberry market. Windows Moble has yet to crack it even with palm's settling down. The iphone is here to stay and may even change the way we want in a phone. However when it comes to pdas, the iphone will not dominate with it's current OS. Blackberry commands because of bulk corporate sales. The sales of the Tpro duce will not hamper the sales of the iphone. I hope a official picture is leaked soon. August is fast approaching and no news is not good news.
Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
Find new friends with better taste in phones?
You cant really use the bigger screen size argument. Just a beautiful input device and ability to customize it to the hilt.
Well there's always the 1 step behind the times arguement...I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones...oh...and you can change your batteries or add memory with cards...
I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones.
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You are getting confused with almost any manufacturer apart from HTC.
Iphones can't multitask, not even the new ones.
The screen isn't as "responsive" as the iphone, but you can use a stylus for precision (like making a doodle with the stylus ) and if you live in a cold climate, you can wear gloves and still use your phone. With capacitive screens like the iphone you gave to take your gloves off. Really annoying if you use them.
You don't have to jailbreak it to get many of the things working. And supposedly flash is coming to Windows Mobile first if I remember correctly (by first I mean before the iphone).
You can use it with any network you want (if it's unlocked) and if it's a branded version, you can unlock it without fear of bricking it after an upgrade.
That's just what comes to mind.
Oh, the screen is .1 inches bigger. Not really enough to make an arguement. But it does have more than twice the resolution, which is a goodo point as images can be clearer and reading texts won't tire your eyes as much.
Why do you care what your friends think?
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Why do you care what your friends think?
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Because I constantly seek validation and enjoy being right? Im not an armchair psychologist.
I can't stand the smugness of the iphone user trying to shove the latest nose flute app in my face, "do you have Excel?" I ask.
"Yes" replies the iphone user as they connect to the apps store and pay £15 for the most essential of software on a business phone.
I think my biggest reason for liking the touch pro 2 is that it just looks stunning with the screen on. Everyone has seen the iphone now, and I like to be different.
Cheers for the replies guys.
Yes, there are just too many iPhones on the street - no "WOW" factor these days. I find the pro2 can turn quite a few heads, especially when I pull out the keyboard and start typing... mind you, someone asked me once where I bought my iPhone with a keyboard!!
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Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
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To not mention again read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537219&highlight=iphone
The IPhone is too common. It also means you surrender too much rights to Apple. They control what you should use. They ignore you and work at their decided schedule. "Cut and paste" is a new feature -- only idiots will believe that.
"There is no vulnerability." -- between Iphone 3G and 3GS, Apple plugged 48 holes.
The battery overheats fast. The screen wears out fast. The material used to maufacture the IPhone is cheap stuff.
IPhone is totally hopeless without connectivity. At the least, TP2 can still be useful.
The famous Appstore! -- How many apps do you really use? Many of the apps are "fractured" because Apple does not allow the developers to add in some features for fear of opening up their closed ecology.
You need more?
Agree with above that the App Store is overrated. I have an iPod Touch, and I have about 2 or 3 useful 3rd party apps. Everything else are just time wasters.
I have a couple reasons why I wouldn't buy an fruitphone.
1. Useless homescreen. The lockscreen shows the date/time. Once unlocked, you just have grids of icons. You have counters that show number of new messages, but no previews. Notifications of new messages and appointments really suck.
2. Terrible multi tasking. Let's say I was wasting my time with a game on my fruitphone while listening to music. You can forward or rewind tracks by double pressing the one button to bring up the music controls. But you can't go into the music app to change your music and go back to the game! That's just dumb.
3. Internet browsing. You can't open links in new tabs! No text reflow. That means you have to use landscape mode if you want to zoom in to read the text and you don't want to scroll horizontally. Also, no full screen view in browser. You always have the top/bottom bars.
4. Low resolution display. Text can't easily be read in zoomed out web pages. Photos look terribly pixelated.
andypa1 said:
Hey guys.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
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Why do you have sheeps as friends...
People have posted some really good points on this thread like TP2 can
- multitask apps
- a monster text machine
- a monster email machine
- a full keyboard
- two mics with noise cancelling abilities
- two speakers for better loudspeaker calls
- better wvga screen (better resolution screen)
- Touch flow 3d is so so smooth(people friendly)
- excellent notifications screen
- better calling options
- better word processor apps like power point, word, excel
- a crap crap crap load of more software for Wndows mobile than iphone will ever have
-the device looks better IMO
But you cant really fault the iphone that much. It is a very pretty with better processor, same ram, bigger onboard harddrive, 3.5mm jack. The OS for both devices are totally different. But in all honesty WM is better than iphone OS BUT Android is better than WM and IS the future of the mobile phone generation....FYI
I agree with the above post. Check out the N900 phone too, its OS is a pseudo linux desktop and its mobile front is very finger friendly looking at youtube.
I am looking at the TP2 myself despite having an iphone. The iphone isn't a very good organizer partly because of its notification/background app. problem, I still haven't got used to the soft keyboard on a 3.5'' device after a year of use - hinders alot of communication and productivity for me personally, the resolution of the screen affects my PDF reading and the lack of bluetooth signalling stops me adding mice/keyboards.
This forum also offers a lot of ROM's too. Although there is a lot to be said for the iphone (its best software comes supplied and the rest can easily be downloaded from the appstore/cydia mostly for free or next to nothing) and no doubt I will have to encounter the same annoyances i had with my touch diamond/kaiser back in Winmo land. I have no doubt for most leisure users who have mastered the soft iphone keyboard that its probably the most fun and beneficial phone for them though.
orb3000 said:
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yes, who could forget about a good ol' fashioned IPhone bashing thread.
you shouldn't let others opinions have an effect on what you want. different strokes for different folks. it's not like either the Tp2 or the IPhone are bad phones.
yes, you can make fun of them for not having the ability to multitask, not being able to sideload applications, interchangeable batteries etc.
just remember it's not wise to throw stones from a glass house.
just ask your friend to change something on your phone, then you do it...tell them to type something, then you type it, ask them what ap they have, then you go get it for free...I do it ALL DAY to my friends that have it, they hate pulling their iphones out now lol. The best is "can you tether? Yeah! For free? AH!!! YOUR PHONE IS CRAP! lol HTC wins. BUT............the iPhone does kill every other device in UI processing, hands down which IMO is a HUGE player in satisfaction. If you can do with 10-30fps UI, HTC with TF3D would be the better choice.
a huge issue for me was free internet tethering. I think with the new 3GS you can do this - but it costs an EXTRA £14.95 per month to O2 for the lowest deal! What a ripoff. That and the pull out keyboard are prob the main things for me.
There's an article at MSN that may be helpful....
Also, the Iphone loudspeaker is so-so despite calling itself a media machine.
The resolution is horrid.
The sound from the headphone is soft.
Voice command from BT definitely not working.
How do I know all these, I own a Iphone 3GS. Why don't I get rid of it? Too ashame to sell it to someone and have him curse me for selling him a lemon (despite it namesake).