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Don't buy a W100 Wired Remote unless you're a Windows Media Player fanatic(only WMP!)

After buying a W100 Wired Remote, I found that it only works with Windows Media Player (which in my personal and humil opinion sucks!). Unless you 'lock' all buttons, any press you make will open WMP (even if you're already running any other player),.... and if you lock them, well, you won't even be able to answer a call... and of course, if you're ok with no buttons... what did you want this adapter for????
I asked HTC for support, and how to configure it with other players, etc.. and this is the answer (after asking three times and two weeks after my last 'request')...
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe.
The "HTC Touch W100 Wired Remote" it's an accessory obviously made by HTC, having mind to serve our products.
Now, our mobile phones are supplied with windows mobile manufactured software and the only media program supplied with it it's the well known "Windows Media Player" in mobile format.
We don't supply other media software on our products and so we don't manufacture accessories for other 3rd party software manufactures.
Should you have any other query, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at: http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Kind Regards,
Pedro Santos
HTC Data Support Engineer
[email protected]
www.htc.com
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I don't think that's a reasonable answer so beware if you're thinking of getting one of these!
Prof.
P.S. Oh, I forgot to say, if you install HTC AudioManager, it will control AudioManager (and open AM, and everything instead of WMP). It's just that AudioManager has the same drawbacks as WMP, with 'pseudo-intelligent' media lists, etc.... AND THEY DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR ANSWER!!!!

The W100 Wired Remote also works with the FM Radio !!

Any solution?
I use Conduits Pocket Player v3.2 and it has plugin Conduits WMP Plugin Adapter 2.0
This plugin enables Pocket Player to 'host' plugins that are originally designed for Windows Media Player 10 for Windows Mobile. Many plugins simply control playback, such as the Bluetooth A2DP/AVRCP plugin on WM5 devices. Other times, more features and controls are utilized, such as the plugin for Microsoft Voice Command.
Sound good but not working... maybe next version...

Too Late
I allready got one...
You R Right!
It Sucks!!!!!!!
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

If anyone's sick of it and want to get rid of it, let me know. I think it might be possible to map in wider support and customisation of the functions if I can see how it works.
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Hi, i have HTC P3300 PDAViet BB v4.0 and recently buy from expansys W100 Wired Remote.
Automatically works in this rom with Audiomanager without install any specific driver, works perfectly, play button launch audiomanager, all butons are ok, holding next/prev you scan song, single click go to next or prev, if launch radio, buttons only work on radio, if anyone calling me when listen music (mp3) volume fade off and listen ring tone, button mute works ok.
repeat, i dont need install driver in this rom, works directly.

Bakterio said:
After buying a W100 Wired Remote, I found that it only works with Windows Media Player (which in my personal and humil opinion sucks!). Unless you 'lock' all buttons, any press you make will open WMP (even if you're already running any other player),.... and if you lock them, well, you won't even be able to answer a call... and of course, if you're ok with no buttons... what did you want this adapter for????
I asked HTC for support, and how to configure it with other players, etc.. and this is the answer (after asking three times and two weeks after my last 'request')...
I don't think that's a reasonable answer so beware if you're thinking of getting one of these!
Prof.
P.S. Oh, I forgot to say, if you install HTC AudioManager, it will control AudioManager (and open AM, and everything instead of WMP). It's just that AudioManager has the same drawbacks as WMP, with 'pseudo-intelligent' media lists, etc.... AND THEY DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR ANSWER!!!!
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HI I don't have the w100 but I'm interested to buy a 3.5mm adapter so.. do have you try the Htc audio manager (the installable .cab) with the registry patch on this link?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318459
with the registry patched the Htc audio manager is my default mp3 player.

Yeah I was pretty pissed too. Was eager to try w100+ Conduits Pocket Player and it doesn't work - who uses windows media player anyway? The only hope is some kind of patch from conduits :\

Wish I'd found this topic before I bought one of these. Didn't realize you couldn't use the buttons with CorePlayer, Conduits PocketPlayer, or Resco Radio. If you don't clip that controller onto your collar or something, it eventually weighs on the headphones and pulls them out of your ears. Once clipped on, you really look like a dork
Seemed like a good idea, just not well implemented. As-is, it's a waste of money...

Guys heads up!!! Things have MOVED forwards!!
I just tried Pocket Player 4.0. I think it's the most recent version. All the buttons are working without any problem. So, in the end, there is a cool player supporting the hot 7-buttons handsfree ;-) And it's working on a HTC Diamond. So, I guess, we can mark this topic as *SOLVED* ;-)
So - have fun !!! AND BUY THE HANDSFREE!!! It is COOOOOL !!!

darkman088 said:
Guys heads up!!! Things have MOVED forwards!!
I just tried Pocket Player 4.0. I think it's the most recent version. All the buttons are working without any problem. So, in the end, there is a cool player supporting the hot 7-buttons handsfree ;-) And it's working on a HTC Diamond. So, I guess, we can mark this topic as *SOLVED* ;-)
So - have fun !!! AND BUY THE HANDSFREE!!! It is COOOOOL !!!
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Hi Im trying the pocket player 4 but my w100 dont work (still open WMP) how do you make it work? do you install any plug in?

Hi, I'm also keen to find out a little about the ROM and software you're running... My TyTn II (with Pocket Player 4) insists on controlling HTC Audio Manager.
So - firstly, what is on the ROM in terms of music players? WMP obviously, but do you have HTC Audio Manager installed as well? And did you tweak any settings in PP4 or did it just work out of the box?
I'm liking the W100 but not with HTC/Microsoft media players... any advice appreciated!

Any news?
Are you still using your w100?
this is an old thread but still not soved.
Mine was working fine at least with HTC Audio manager with my Fuze, with sevaral different roms as long as I didn´t use second today or something like that, wich will deactivate HTC audio manager and works only with WMP.
Now i have a CDMA/GSM Rhodium from Verizon with the newest Energy ROM wich is great by the was. But I can not make it work with my w100, it is only controling WMP.
Any news???

audio balance

i would like to know if there is a programme to adjust the audio balance on the touch hd because i have hearing problems ( -50%) on the left side . thanks

yes, thats true:-O I looked now to pocket player, core player and Nitrogen, and no program is able to do that... that's really strange... perhaps ask that in the Nitrogen forum, he develops this program and it's extremely good!! so, perhaps he could implement this useful thing... don't loose hope!! many greets, cad^^

cadenza said:
yes, thats true:-O I looked now to pocket player, core player and Nitrogen, and no program is able to do that... that's really strange... perhaps ask that in the Nitrogen forum, he develops this program and it's extremely good!! so, perhaps he could implement this useful thing... don't loose hope!! many greets, cad^^
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Actually pocket player has audio balance and it's working, but it's well hidden. Go to options, DSP. Enable stereo balance, and set stereo separation to 100% and stereo panning to whatever you need.
Unfortunatelly there's a bug and the setting won't get saved so after player's restart you have to do it all over again.

I use alot the radio,mp3player and the videoplayer, none of them has a possibility to change left or right volume.
it would be so easy for me(and i think many others with hearing problems) to have a slider for the sound balance in the same screen where you change the volume

Which is the best audio player for WM - WITH BEST AUDIO QUALITY!!!!

Hi
Im looking for a audio player which has the best audio quality- please suggest something!!
I basically need an audio player which plays mp3 has a lot of functions(EQ, bass boost etc.) and has the best audio quality!!!
I need it because I have a "kicka**" sound system from "Magnat" at home and I want to reach its full potential, of more than 2000 wats from my Touch HD & my phone is being used as a media center in a lot of parties, cuz I have the biggest music libary on my phone!!!!!!

the inbuilt music player in tf3d is good. it has an equaliser but no volume control if you choose to use it, but then you could control the volume which your music system.

the inbuilt music player is ****.
try pocketplayer or mortplayer. these are really professional players.
but dont expect huge differences in sound output, they will be the same. it depends on what you set in the equalizers..

have you tried lcg jukebox .... !!! try it

There is Phantasm Music Player (40iPlay), but it is hard to buy it because of the paranoid policy of its author.

Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?

External controls seems fine... so far
m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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Not true really, as I use Nitrogen (audio/music player) and it works fine with both my SE MBW-150 and HBH220 Bluetooth adapter. Both needing a little messing with, but allows me to choose next track, pause and play.
I'd would prefer not to use an additional music player, because it always needs messing around with to get fully working with all these random toys, but the inbuilt music player, including WM6.5 media player all suck and no easy to just select a folder and play all at random, which is all I want ever really.
(any suggestions would be nice to know)

m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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PocketPlayer works with bluetooth control (A2DP) since version 3.71.
Mortplayer does not support it thanks to new Manila.
Blame HTC, they introduced some fu**ing "tweak" so that only the manila Player has access to the bluetooth control. Pocketplayer can do it because they reverse engineered the problem.

Just loosing your time
Sorry but you are just loosing your time...
I have spent some time trying to find a solution and I am back to my Ipod to drive my Home sound system (Magnat by the way ).
Your problem has nothing to do with the Software you will use but is has to do with the hardware limitations of these little WM device.
The best sound system will always require the best source as poor dynamic range, frequency response or noise level are hidden by poor sound systems but amplified by top quality ones.
Not convinced?
Just have a look, what you will read will confirm what you hear !
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-review-300p6.php
Maybe one day we will have a real all-in-one device. But not today !

m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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I also have bh-503 -- it worked with my old ipaq 1940 with all players - so it has to be manila bug, but I havent noticed it!!!
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Sorry but you are just loosing your time...
I have spent some time trying to find a solution and I am back to my Ipod to drive my Home sound system (Magnat by the way ).
Your problem has nothing to do with the Software you will use but is has to do with the hardware limitations of these little WM device.
The best sound system will always require the best source as poor dynamic range, frequency response or noise level are hidden by poor sound systems but amplified by top quality ones.
Not convinced?
Just have a look, what you will read will confirm what you hear !
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-review-300p6.php
Maybe one day we will have a real all-in-one device. But not today !
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Before the HD I had Nokia 5610, with the "dedicated sound chip" , I can hear a big differnece beetween the two-- HD - louder & more bass
so the HD is already an improvement!!!
But still some bad things can be covered with good software and sound system!!!!
BTW-- Magnat - ROCKS!!!! 800W subwoofer & some more speakers with more than 2000 wats of power can bring your whole house down!!!!!

player
Hi, the HD doesnt have great sound quality full stop i am afraid, I would say dont worry too much about which player, find one that you find comfortable to use, some are too complex non finger friendly menus for instance. All players have decent Eq's and so you should be able to get the best out of the HD with any player.
hope this helps.

FazZfilmz said:
I'd would prefer not to use an additional music player, because it always needs messing around with to get fully working with all these random toys, but the inbuilt music player, including WM6.5 media player all suck and no easy to just select a folder and play all at random, which is all I want ever really.
(any suggestions would be nice to know)
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You can do this with Core Player if you disable scan card at start up option and select anything from your storage card rather than from a library. Sound quality better than my Ipod IMO. It has a preamp option.

str0nz0 said:
the inbuilt music player is ****.
try pocketplayer or mortplayer. these are really professional players.
but dont expect huge differences in sound output, they will be the same. it depends on what you set in the equalizers..
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mortplayer is ****tttt and very complicated to use and too slow with hd and has issues with uninstalling and pocket player is slow on HD as well stick to media player and htc touch flo included player they do the job and hell yaaaa there will be no difference in the sound output so why a third party and ram issues stick to original with this and if you are looking for a light player easy to use try s2p iplayer it looks good and it works great but i did uninstall it and i do use htc included player better than anything.

Pure and simple
@custardo01 - Thanks! I actually use Core player already, but mainly for video playback only, as I the GUi so unfriendly... it's an ugly package, but I guess it works well. However Nitrogen feels most friendly to me right now and easy to use when cycling on the London roads.
In regards to the sound quality, I actually think the quality of the HTC Touch HD is pretty dam good. I've tried various portable toys from dedicated portable audio players, mobile phone and those nasty Apple products, but so far it's not bad at all.
For sure it not ground breaking and would prefer the audio quality that the Sony Ericsson P and X series have, but with good pairing via earphones with low ohm requirements, it's close to lowless quality.
Of course ALL of this is pointless if you simply are only listening to Radio signals, standard Mp3 or basic AAC files. I do a huge amount of audio work, both musically, soundtrack and folly so mainly use wav and any other random stuff is always 320kbps Mp3's ...until I can get Mp3HD to work etc
AAC is pretty good when pushed to the maximum, but I'm to lazy to change back to AAC files after years or being on Mp3's, OGG and mainly multi-channel DTS & DD via WAV.
Any EQ system on almost ANY software is always a BAD thing!
Hardware EQ'ing is another thing altogether and even then is still a bad thing (usually). If it sounds bad, it always will do and using an EQ to improve it, I guess I'm just that type of person that disagree's with EQ'ing because you loose what it really was meant to be and not what it is anymore.
IMO: Audio & Visual should be played pure, flat and as is it was created.

Better music player... anyone?
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mortplayer is sh... ...htc included player better than anything.
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All probably very true, but when your using WM6.5 and not TF3D anymore, you need a good player once again, because of course the WMP is NOT an option.
I'd recommended Nitrogen any day, but still looking for somethin better, nicer and possibly simplier. I liked the TF3D audio player when I was using the basic ROM and Dutty's amazing ROM's but since I've moved over to WM6.5 not much choice... right?
Is their a way to access the TF3D via WM6.5 without actually having the TF3D today page open too?

FazZfilmz said:
@custardo01 - Thanks! I actually use Core player already, but mainly for video playback only, as I the GUi so unfriendly... it's an ugly package, but I guess it works well. However Nitrogen feels most friendly to me right now and easy to use when cycling on the London roads.
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It is not ugly if you use a skin to cover it up. Search for the DiamondVGA Core Player skin. I have it here if you need it. Forget bluetooth you miss out on so much quality IMO. You will see me on a Black Ridgeback in the London streets with the stock wired headphones in - bald bloke with glasses

I want to ride my bicycle... with my HTC Touch HD blasting TooNz!
custardo01 said:
It is not ugly if you use a skin to cover it up. Search for the DiamondVGA Core Player skin. I have it here if you need it. Forget bluetooth you miss out on so much quality IMO. You will see me on a Black Ridgeback in the London streets with the stock wired headphones in - bald bloke with glasses
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LMAO ...I'm on Ridgeback MX4 (modded) travelling from East London to where ever I need be for post-production editing work etc.
Yeah, I gave up on SE Bluetooth adapter when I got my HTC Touch HD as the quality just wasn't right at all and as you say, wired in is still best. I'm currently using Denon AHC551's earphones until they get worn out and need replacing (soon).
I only really use the adapter for random things and I think the Mrs gets more use out of it now when she's out jogging. She's using my old SE P1 and Bluetooth ADP2 seems to sound so much better through them... strange!?
Would the DiamondVGA skin you are suggesting work OK on a HTC Touch HD?

I use S2P Best audio player IMHO. Combined with HTC Audio Booster or SRS WOW Audio of course.

I have got TF3D player, WMP, coreplayer, S2P, pocket player and nitrogen.
To be honest:
Coreplayer is the worst.
Nitrogen is the best, closest to the ordinary MP3 player, but it is not so user friendly as the playlist is not so good.
Pocket player has a lot of eq. setting, but it does not help much.
One important thing is to reduce the stutter and it can be cured by 1.57 HKG ROM or the patch from Diamond. But Diamond patch may drain your battery in a horrible rate, you should better upgrade your ROM.

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Would the DiamondVGA skin you are suggesting work OK on a HTC Touch HD?
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Yes it does

Any wired remotes for the Evo?

For headphones? Is this function even possible with the 3.5mm jack that's on our phone? I have one of these for my iPod touch, but I trying to ween myself off of the Apple teet.

The stock HTC version of froyo (with sense and whatnot) will work with an iphone headset natively. But only to play/pause and deal with calls. It wont skip tracks fwd/back or fast fwd or adjust the volume.
HOWEVER, you can get a free app in the market called droidshuffle. It adds track skipping and a few other minor features. But, the current version doesn't work with the HTC music player. So you can either install a 3rd party player called cubed or the default android player (if you can find the apk on a forum).
The droidshuffle dev is working on a new version that will also work the the HTC player. I've been trying the beta and it seems to work fine. While cubed and the default android player are fine I like using the HTC player because it gives you lockscreen controls too.

These work perfectly for me, shipping takes forever but the price makes up for it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260631383421&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_2761wt_911

Yeah I have the same and they're okay. The sound quality is crap but they're made by HTC so at least all of the buttons work properly. I use mine to control doubleTwist.
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These work perfectly for me, shipping takes forever but the price makes up for it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260631383421&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_2761wt_911
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Some shipping and soldering would take care of that problem. Anyone know if a Bluetooth remote exists that doesn't output audio?
bludragon742 said:
Yeah I have the same and they're okay. The sound quality is crap but they're made by HTC so at least all of the buttons work properly. I use mine to control doubleTwist.
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[Q] BT stereo headset buttons doesn't work

I'm using Coreplayer and the buttons on the headset activates HTC Sense player.
On my Raphael I had similar problems, when using the "Play button" on the headset Sense player started all though Coreplayer was running.
Some genious created a cab that solved this on the Raphael (originally it might even have been developed for Rhodium...)
The same cab I used on the Raphael doesnt have the desired effect on the Rhodium.
The name of the cab is: "T-Back 6.5 BT Driver.cab"
Any ideas on how to get the BT stereo headset buttons to interact with Core player?
I'm running a stock 6.5 rom.

That's normally because the headset interacts with the default media player. See this thread for information on changing that.

cajunflavoredbob said:
That's normally because the headset interacts with the default media player. See this thread for information on changing that.
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Thanks for your input... But associating mp3 files with coreplayer didn't help...