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Did you try to enter text in various applications which are not default Microsoft? I found out that on the Excalibur/Dash and might be also the same problem on all other full keyboard (landscape) Smartphones, that at those applications the....
WER
SDF
XCV
...keys are being recognized as the nummeric ones like:
123
456
789
This seems to be a bug (hopefully not a feature) at the OS.
I do see this with e.g. Smartphonenotes (quite important to me), VNC Viewer (for Remote Desktop Control) and at some Java Apps like GoogleMaps, the same is with applications based on .NET.
This is a reason why I again take my HTC p4350 (Herald) with me on the road tomorrow, because I need to control my desktop remotely and start my VPN connection to the company, in order to run the emoze client and to receive emails
Guys, believe me, for hardcore users, it is very annoying.
Did anybody hear a solution for this?
I've just tried Smartphone Notes on my Dash & it's working just fine. The default is alpha and pressing function twice shifts them the keyboard into to numeric mode.
I also noticced that. TomTom for example does not recognize these keys as letters. I have to use T9 on these 9 letters.
adhussain said:
I've just tried Smartphone Notes on my Dash & it's working just fine. The default is alpha and pressing function twice shifts them the keyboard into to numeric mode.
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adhussain please in Smartphonenotes please try to save a note which is called e.g. "Laguna" (my note for my car and you will see that you are then not able to search completely using the alpha keys. Also "A" key is then not working.
Fire00, it saves a note called Laguna just fine. 'A' key working fine as well. I dont get what u mean by search completely? I also tried Convert It! and it entered numeric where it was supposed to and in Newscopier it entered alphabets in the fields where it was supposed to. BTW in my earlier post above, i stated that i owned the Dash, where as I actually own the HTC s620, sorry.
it depends on the application, for example tomtom. it would work properly if they updated the app.
adhussain said:
Fire00, it saves a note called Laguna just fine. 'A' key working fine as well. I dont get what u mean by search completely? I also tried Convert It! and it entered numeric where it was supposed to and in Newscopier it entered alphabets in the fields where it was supposed to. BTW in my earlier post above, i stated that i owned the Dash, where as I actually own the HTC s620, sorry.
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What's wrong then with my already second s620 unit?
I wished it would work like you're saying.
OK let's try another one. A note in Smartphonenotes which starts with an "A".
When I press "A" on the alpha-keyboard, it does not react. The key "A" does simply not exist. But when I press the "E (2)" key, it is being recognized as an "A" according to the nummeric (T9) scheme.
The same is in TomTom, the same is in Java based apps like Googlemaps, in .NET based apps like Remote Desktop Control. The issue here is that all these applications do recognize all the keys which do have 2 functions (alpha and nummeric = wer, sdf, xcv) are treated like nummeric ones. And last but not least, the A key on the left (the first one original alpha key) does not work at all in that applications.
fire00 said:
What's wrong then with my already second s620 unit?
I wished it would work like you're saying.
OK let's try another one. A note in Smartphonenotes which starts with an "A".
When I press "A" on the alpha-keyboard, it does not react. The key "A" does simply not exist. But when I press the "E (2)" key, it is being recognized as an "A" according to the nummeric (T9) scheme.
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Note with 'A' also working fine. Sorry i dont have TomTom or a .NET based application, but applications i have work just fine.
Might there be an issue with my ROM? I can say that I'm a quite experienced WM user and wouldn't bother you with this if it was not proved. OK simply forget it, I'm waiting now for the unbranded Treo 750.
fire00 said:
Might there be an issue with my ROM? I can say that I'm a quite experienced WM user and wouldn't bother you with this if it was not proved. OK simply forget it, I'm waiting now for the unbranded Treo 750.
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No bother at all, im glad to be of any assistance. The snag is that im coming from the UIQ platform so don't have much experience on Smartphone.
Text entry issue...cont'
I have a Blackjack and Smartphonenotes installed. Also having the same problem as Fire - e.g. when I press "B", the program lists all my notes beginning with "T". Anybody with a solution? Thanks.
INTRO
I've started this thread to port the EzInput Keyboard to QVGA resolution. The keyboard is now fully functional yet still has a couple of small glitches to be fixed in portrait mode.
I am doing all the testing on my elfin, so I cannot assure that it will work on other devices so you'll have to test it yourselves!
You can download it here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uxi3be
THANKS
I must thank
DupinBJK:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486227
nikoan89:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489032
and
Conflipper
for their hard work on the VGA port, since I have mixed parts of their ports to get this QVGA version working.
KNOWN BUGS
XT9 is not currently working: the keyboard seems to get the coordinates (size and position) of the VGA keys. E.g.: if you press "q", "a" or "w" the keyboard will write "q" on the screen, since the three letters are in the area of the "q" key in a VGA screen (double size).
Any help on this matter would be really appreciated!!!
XT9 UPDATE 05/01/2009:
I´ve managed to get XT9 working by replacing the xT9ime.dll of the EzInput 2 with the EzInput 1.5 dll supplied with the ROM I am using. The problem now is that I cannot change XT9 mode back to normal mode .
Anyway I encourage you to test this and see if we can get a solution to the XT9 issues.
To test it, just go to the windows directory, rename eT9ime.dll to something else (e.g. eT9ime.dll.OLD) and reset your device (this should restore the dll supplied with your ROM).
I´m waiting for your comments!!!!
VIBRATION/XT9 UPDATE 05/13/2009:
I managed to get vibration to work a couple of weeks ago, but I wanted to fix the T9 mode before releasing a new version.
I´ve been working on T9 and have not been able to find where the code responsible for calculating the key pressed (based on the coordinates) is.
OPTION A: If anyone is able to find such place in the code or just point me in the right direction, I´ll find the time to patch et9Ime.dll so that QVGA users can enjoy T9 in this keyboard.
OPTION B: Another possible option would be to patch the et9Ime.dll from ezinput 1.5, but the mappings of some important keys seem to be different (XT9/ABC switch for example), and also different registry keys need to be updated so that everything works as it should.
Sorry for the lack of feedback, but I need more time for fixing these issues since this is the first time I am dealing with SIP/IME/IMM and stuff and I´ve found it a little bit more complex than I thought it would be.
HOWTO
Additionally, I'm planning on writing a very simple "howto" to explain people what they can do to adjust/fix/change the layout of the keyboard.
PS: I cannot post any screenshot now, so if anyone of you can upload one I'd be grateful.
problem on XT9 mode, maybe is the key mapping, i dunno that
for example type q,w,a,s the result is --> qqqq
type e,r,d ---> www
thanks for your hard working
T9 issue
You're right (i did not test the XT9 )
I'll have a look at it.
Thanks
Nice
Just 2 questions :
- vibrate when keys are pressed : Don t work normal maybe ...
- Is there a way to change language to french? i see 40C file ...
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looks great, good to finally have EZInput for QVGA.
major bug I noticed it messes up the keyboard mapping..for example Caps does not function, nor does the light, just flickers on then off when caps is hit, I believe to turn caps on and off (at least for me) I would have to use function, which also works for function (if that makes sense) lol
also the function keys got incorrectly mapped, I will try the tilt keyboard fix, hopefully that will work, and you can post that Cab.
Minor Issue: no SIP image to open the keyboard on the phone. its a black square, hit the square to active SIP. Would be nice to get a cool new icon though ;P
other then that, I will continue to test this, because the spacing between the keys and the skin is very nice
Thanks for your hard work and the post
I installed this new version and the only major thing I see compared to all the rest of the one you have posted is that the SIP Icon for the Keyboard that shows between the softkeys is missing, if you press the empty space the Keyboard still pops up and is functional but the icon is gone.
thanks man. Work great
So I don't have the phone keypad...is this just a problem with me or does anyone else have this problem?
XT9 is off, but that's fine cause I don't find a need for xt9 on a full keyboard anyways. Though like I said in the other thread I wish there was compact qwerty, or at least I could have the compact qwerty from my other keyboard as well.
Thanks a lot! Im at school now, but as soon as I get home, I'll install this on my phone.
- Thanks, your job is really appreciated.
Great !!!
I've been waiting for this for sometime now and just say thanks for the Qvga version Just wondering if anyone is working on the xt9 bug, i have gotten accustom to using that but if not no worries still a great keyboard !!!
Well, this full qwerty is a huge improvement over the EZ-Input one. I installed the keyboard and used the full qwerty without any problems. HOWEVER, does the Compact QWERTY mode not work with this? Thanks.
Thank you man, you are awesome !
I don't have any problems with it, except the reported bug of the SIP Icon.
But the keyboard on my Elf is a bit slow without O/C. (WM 6.5)
I love this keyboard !
XT9 bug
I've been looking at the XML files, the kdb files and the ldb files and I still cannot figure out the place where the XT9 keys size/position (x,y,h,w) is defined.
Does anyone know whether it's hardcoded in a PE module or it can be configured anywhere?
BTW, I'm afraid Compact QWERTY is not possible for the time being...
Sorry if I'm repeating. If I switch to numeric and press a key and then go back to ABC then all the keys are screwed up and when I press them I get the wrong keys. Do others have the same problem?
littld, i'm not experiencing that behaviour, sorry
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I've been looking at the XML files, the kdb files and the ldb files and I still cannot figure out the place where the XT9 keys size/position (x,y,h,w) is defined.
Does anyone know whether it's hardcoded in a PE module or it can be configured anywhere?
BTW, I'm afraid Compact QWERTY is not possible for the time being...
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I have been trying to find this out too, I have looked everywhere and can't find the positions for XT9.
Side note, on all 3 previous versions you could use XT9 in ABC and it worked perfectly, but in the new version it just types normally in ABC and XT9 is still broke.
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I have been trying to find this out too, I have looked everywhere and can't find the positions for XT9.
Side note, on all 3 previous versions you could use XT9 in ABC and it worked perfectly, but in the new version it just types normally in ABC and XT9 is still broke.
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You mean in the previous versions I posted in the QVGA Rhodium Development thread?
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You mean in the previous versions I posted in the QVGA Rhodium Development thread?
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Yes, all 3 you posted in that thread. If set to XT9 all key mapping was off as I had posted in that thread and others. But ABC worked as XT9 without a problem. It was weird. But I am running the last posted version which I downloaded from sendspace and it works as described above. When I installed the one when you opened this thread also from sendspace XT9 key mapping is still the same, totally off and ABC just functions as it should, regular typing with no text prediction.
Hope that makes sense?
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Yes, all 3 you posted in that thread. If set to XT9 all key mapping was off as I had posted in that thread and others. But ABC worked as XT9 without a problem. It was weird. But I am running the last posted version which I downloaded from sendspace and it works as described above. When I installed the one when you opened this thread also from sendspace XT9 key mapping is still the same, totally off and ABC just functions as it should, regular typing with no text prediction.
Hope that makes sense?
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Not really...
Anyway I'll play around a bit with the different modules to see what I can get.
I have tried all three cabs below with zero success! Yes, these cabs remap if that the letters on the hardware keyboard but do nothing for the top row and symbols in blue. I can live without remapping the OK key if thats such a feat but need all other keys at least to be mapped the way they are suppose to be, they way they look on the hardware keyboard. Im sure many other users here will agree with me on this and hopefully others will pitch in as well.
Just looking for a simple cab to install so when i flash a custom rom that i can have FULL use of my hardware keyboard on my att tilt2, no more and no less. I have no knowledge in this stuff or id do it myself rather then provide stickies of a cab that does only half the job!
Since half the keyboard is already remapped, i will start the donation/bounty at $10USD and will add more if this can be done quick. If there's multiple people in on creating this for the community then i will be sure everyone truly involved gets a fair share as well.
Im no techy, just an end user but don't see this task to be complete rocket science.
What the hell !!! The symbols in blue???? Those are controled with the funtion key (FN) on the keyboard.
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What the hell !!! The symbols in blue???? Those are controled with the funtion key (FN) on the keyboard.
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Yes of course they are. Im saying not only to remap the keys in white but also the ones controlled by the FN key, the symbols in blue. I dont believe my description is hard to understand. Simply look at an att tilt2 hardware keyboard, now have it work as it should, thats it! Not asking for anything else, just for all the keys on the hardware keyboard to work as they do when you first turn it on using the stock rom. Need a cab so it will work on custom roms since were not here to run stock roms.
Dont really know how else i can spell it out? Maybe take a picture of the att tilt2 hardware keyboard and post it?
I use the first one you list and all of my Keys work fine on my AT&T Tilt 2.
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I use the first one you list and all of my Keys work fine on my AT&T Tilt 2.
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Are you saying the top row works fine and every blue symbol key in conjuction with the FN key works fine as well? What rom are you running? Makes no sense to me. Making me think i have one bunk device since ive tested this with a fresh flash without installing anything else.
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Yes of course they are. Im saying not only to remap the keys in white but also the ones controlled by the FN key, the symbols in blue. I dont believe my description is hard to understand. Simply look at an att tilt2 hardware keyboard, now have it work as it should, thats it! Not asking for anything else, just for all the keys on the hardware keyboard to work as they do when you first turn it on using the stock rom. Need a cab so it will work on custom roms since were not here to run stock roms.
Dont really know how else i can spell it out? Maybe take a picture of the att tilt2 hardware keyboard and post it?
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I put that second script, install the cab (MortScript) then run the script file. soft reset and your good.
Some applications are weird and they swap the keys back to the original TP2 settings, but its very rare. It seems to work fine for me other than that. OH and when trying to use the hardware keys when dialing for a phone call its not right.. But I don't really use that anyways.
DuMnUt101 said:
I put that second script, install the cab (MortScript) then run the script file. soft reset and your good.
Some applications are weird and they swap the keys back to the original TP2 settings, but its very rare. It seems to work fine for me other than that. OH and when trying to use the hardware keys when dialing for a phone call its not right.. But I don't really use that anyways.
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What rom are u using including build? I used the mort pacakge just as u described after a fresh flash of nrgs latest rom of build 23518 on wm6.5.3 standard sense 2.1 and nothing bro! Only keys that work right for me are the letter keys, comma, period, and question mark. Well FN, shift are also mapped correctly as well. Every key on the top row is numbers 1-0 and the blue symbol keys are all over the place! This is killing me!
No, you dont need to explain. I understood your post and as you can see, i am on a custom rom with the tilt 2 and all my buttons work perfect, except for the OK key. I also use the first cab in your OP. As for dialing, as pointed out by a respose here, have no clue if mine works that way. I use the onscreen dialer.
Something must be wrong with your phone!!!!
Im using NRGZ's Leo Rom the 21885 version from 12/31.... It could be an issue with the 23518 builds. The OK button has never worked but dont really need it. I would try it on a 21885 build and if it doesnt work it sounds like device specific. You also could flash a Stock Rom back on then back to a Custom one sometimes some of the previous system files arent removed correctly I have heard.
I have an att tilt 2 as well, and after flashing any rom other then att my keyboard is all wrong also, mainly the top row, and the Fn keys. Its pretty funny though without a remap, my shift key works as the FN key, and my OK key works as a shift key, which I find funny. But attached is the cab I always have used every time, and every key with the exception of the OK key works, I have tested this 1,000,000 times. If this cab doesnt work (Which I think could be the third cab in your list but not sure), then you have a bad keyboard.
I have used this cab with, the stock EU rom, nrgz roms, valkyrie's roms, Arks roms.
I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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Sorry for hijacking the thread a little. I've got a dilemma here, I'm about to change my physical keyboard (in fact the whole casing) for the one that has tilt2 layout (or maybe just the casing leaving the old keyboard untouched). How do you Tilt2 guys manage without the "Ctrl" key?!!!
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Sorry for hijacking the thread a little. I've got a dilemma here, I'm about to change my physical keyboard (in fact the whole casing) for the one that has tilt2 layout (or maybe just the casing leaving the old keyboard untouched). How do you Tilt2 guys manage without the "Ctrl" key?!!!
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Most people will think you are crazy, most tilt2 people want the standard tp2 keyboard. but to your question: since the ok button doesnt work, I mapped "OK" using keyboard config to be a CTRL button
blowy666 said:
I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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Is it the ATT keypad.dll? and you just open it with a text editor like notepad or something? I have been searching and it seems like that is what I should be looking for but I just want to make sure. Thanks in advance.
Sorry Deeznuts, but either you aren't explaining it right (which I think you are) or (more likely) there is something wrong. I have a Tilt 2\ATT and the keyboard fix cabs do work in every ROM I have installed. (With the exeption of only about three blue keys like the shortcut to mail or the internet.) There is either something wrong with your device or the ROM that you are using. I suggest you start over with a different ROM to test your keyboard, maybe use a stock ROM to be sure. There is also a prog called Rhodium Keyboard Control (RhodiumKbdControl_GSM.cab) that might be of use. Good luck.
I've been using the Tilt2HWKeyboard.cab and all the symbols and numbers work fine.
OK button does not work, sometimes it launches opera, other times i get error message with something about start.exe
FN+Left arrow (supposed to be calendar) Launches opera
FN+Down arrow (supposed to launch internet browser) does nothing
FN+Right arrow (supposed to turn on wifi) opens up comm manager.
I don't mind that those are off, but would prefer the OK button to work and also PTT button does not work at all.
I'm down to put in $10 as well to get a cab that has the full use of the HW keyboard + PTT button
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I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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I was looking at that text files, and it appears to be mapped correctly, but the top row is still messed up for me and the blue function keys are not correct either.
Can you post how you modified the text file please?
Mine works fine. I used instructions from a certain thread. I first installed the Tilt2HWKeyboard cab. I then installed a cab called SdkCerts. Then I installed a cab called RhodiumKbdControl_GSM.
$20 for 1 single step install at&t tilt2 keyboard ALL BUTTONS MUST WORK INCLUDING PTT AND OK BUTTON I DONT CARE IF IS A MORT SCRIPT A CAB OR XML
Hes NOT CRAZY lol
I have the same exact issue. ive tried different cabs to no change except . ? , still sont know where the hell at symbol is... I GOT 10 usd for a working cab or a soloution where every key works as should...besides a stock re flash!
What apps are you running bro? Im running the apr8 nrg rom too. idk! dont make sense to me. but even when i ran stock rom keys would switch to this configuratio noccasionally in txt msging!
i would close all the way out of txt and open it back up and keys back to normal. Im seriously about burned out on hunting fixes for these damned phones, stock and otherwise. Ive owned every HTC w a slide keyboard that att offered since 8125 (wizard)
and played hunt and fix on every single one. seriously, what other product would u pay 400 plus dollars for and then spennd countless hours searching for fixes just to make it work properly
I know it has got to be something simple, but I want an SSH server on the Andriod OS, but to do so I need access to keys chars such as / and " ..., but I can not get the FN key which should be in the "Shift Ctrl" position to work. Best solution would be to have the keyboard mapping exactly as it appears on the Tilt2, second best would be to have it work with a standard mapping and not AT&T's. yet so far I can figure out neither.
Thanks,
ERIC
egandt said:
I know it has got to be something simple, but I want an SSH server on the Andriod OS, but to do so I need access to keys chars such as / and " ..., but I can not get the FN key which should be in the "Shift Ctrl" position to work. Best solution would be to have the keyboard mapping exactly as it appears on the Tilt2, second best would be to have it work with a standard mapping and not AT&T's. yet so far I can figure out neither.
Thanks,
ERIC
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When I use the Tilt2 keyboard mapping when booting into Android, I have a fully functional Tilt2 keyboard, including the Fn keys...
Do you have this entry in your startup.txt set cmdline section?:
physkeyboard=tilt2
egandt said:
I know it has got to be something simple, but I want an SSH server on the Andriod OS, but to do so I need access to keys chars such as / and " ..., but I can not get the FN key which should be in the "Shift Ctrl" position to work. Best solution would be to have the keyboard mapping exactly as it appears on the Tilt2, second best would be to have it work with a standard mapping and not AT&T's. yet so far I can figure out neither.
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ERIC
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Im looking at my keyboard right now, and neither the / nor the " require the FN key to use them.... they are their own button. On top of that, my FN key works perfect, otherwise I wouldnt be able to use the numberpad. So what exactly are you talking about? lol
The "Tilt2" is only the name for the AT&T branded TP2. If you have a different handset other than that, you need to match that to the device you have using the startup utility (MJGDroidUtil.exe).
I'm gonna guess he is just running the harret.exe and not the util that lets you set your config. you need to run the the other exe mjutil something or other and it will let you pick your keyboard then it should all work fine
hey! i've got this issue with the mapping of the italian keyboard. The FN key doesn't work, when i press it, it gives me the @ symbol. I wanted to fix the problem my self by editing the file in the rootfs.img, but to open it you need to mount it in Ubuntu. I installed Ubuntu, but i couldn't manage to mount the file, since it's the first time i use linux. I entered in boot mode by typing: sudo bash (it makes me a root user)
then i typed: mkdir mnt/New_folder, but it kept on saying "cannot create directory" . So now i can't create the new folder to mount the rootfs.img !!!! It's driving me crazy!! please help!! I would appreciate if someone could explain me how to do it or fix this thing for me!!! Thanks!!!!!!
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hey! i've got this issue with the mapping of the italian keyboard. The FN key doesn't work, when i press it, it gives me the @ symbol. I wanted to fix the problem my self by editing the file in the rootfs.img, but to open it you need to mount it in Ubuntu. I installed Ubuntu, but i couldn't manage to mount the file, since it's the first time i use linux. I entered in boot mode by typing: sudo bash (it makes me a root user)
then i typed: mkdir mnt/New_folder, but it kept on saying "cannot create directory" . So now i can't create the new folder to mount the rootfs.img !!!! It's driving me crazy!! please help!! I would appreciate if someone could explain me how to do it or fix this thing for me!!! Thanks!!!!!!
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Hi, there's a typo in the example "startup.txt", you have to put the _ like for other keyboard layouts, i.e. "rhod100_it"
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Ciao, c'è un errore di battitura nei file di esempio, devi mettere il trattino basso _ come negli altri: "rhod100_it".
Italian Rhod 100 Key Map
americano91 said:
hey! i've got this issue with the mapping of the italian keyboard. The FN key doesn't work, when i press it, it gives me the @ symbol. I wanted to fix the problem my self by editing the file in the rootfs.img, but to open it you need to mount it in Ubuntu. I installed Ubuntu, but i couldn't manage to mount the file, since it's the first time i use linux. I entered in boot mode by typing: sudo bash (it makes me a root user)
then i typed: mkdir mnt/New_folder, but it kept on saying "cannot create directory" . So now i can't create the new folder to mount the rootfs.img !!!! It's driving me crazy!! please help!! I would appreciate if someone could explain me how to do it or fix this thing for me!!! Thanks!!!!!!
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It just so happens that I was working on a new keymap for the Italian Rhod 100. I'll see if I can post a new version of my rootfs package with the updated Italian and French keymaps later today.
sad0felix said:
Hi, there's a typo in the example "startup.txt", you have to put the _ like for other keyboard layouts, i.e. "rhod100_it"
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Ciao, c'è un errore di battitura nei file di esempio, devi mettere il trattino basso _ come negli altri: "rhod100_it".
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Wow!! that's all?!?!? i can't believe i wasted an entire day after this! thanks!!
tutto qui`!?!? non credevo fosse cosi` banale la soluzione XD e io che ci ho perso un giorno intero!! grazie mille
EDIT: the keyboard is still not fully functional. The FN works to put all the secondary letters and symbols, but it doesn't work to enable caps lock, to open the window with all the symbols, to enable xt9, to open a new sms and to go on the web.
@F22 : thanks! i really hope your edit made it fully functional!!
americano91 said:
Wow!! that's all?!?!? i can't believe i wasted an entire day after this! thanks!!
tutto qui`!?!? non credevo fosse cosi` banale la soluzione XD e io che ci ho perso un giorno intero!! grazie mille
EDIT: the keyboard is still not fully functional. The FN works to put all the secondary letters and symbols, but it doesn't work to enable caps lock, to open the window with all the symbols, to enable xt9, to open a new sms and to go on the web.
@F22 : thanks! i really hope your edit made it fully functional!!
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*cough* There's fully functional and there's fully functional. Let me explain. You have a keyboard designed for Windows Mobile 6.1/6.5. Some keys in Windows Mobile don't exist in Android. Some of the keyboard combinations that are available on Windows Mobile just aren't available on Android. To get the same functionality in android you thus need to adapt to the android way of doing things. The symbol palette for android is also pretty minimal (just 12 characters) unfortunately. I've submitted a patch to system.ext2 to expand it to 18 characters, but most people won't see the expanded symbol palette until FRX04 is released, probably in late December. So no, you won't get everything that is currently printed on your keys even with my new Italian keymap. Your FN, Ctrl and SYM keys will work. Envelope will be mapped to SEARCH. Internet & SMS won't work because there is no way to assign that sort of functionality to a key without replacing the keycode and losing the rest of the key's functionality.
My suggestion would be to use short-cuts from within android for things like the internet and sms from the keyboard. Once your envelope key is matched to SEARCH in the new keymap you'll be able to do that since short-cuts in android combine the search key with another key. For example, by default, search+b opens up your browser, search+s opens up messaging, search+g opens up Gmail, search+e opens up email, search+m opens up the music player, etc... (These are adjustable from within Settings>Applications>Quick Launch. Personally, on my phone, I've moved messaging to Search+M and the music player to Search+P for easier use since it's awkward to press S while holding down the envelope key.) I'll look into XT9. I'm not sure about that one at the moment as it doesn't exist on my 210.
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*cough* There's fully functional and there's fully functional. Let me explain. You have a keyboard designed for Windows Mobile 6.1/6.5. Some keys in Windows Mobile don't exist in Android. Some of the keyboard combinations that are available on Windows Mobile just aren't available on Android. To get the same functionality in android you thus need to adapt to the android way of doing things. The symbol palette for android is also pretty minimal (just 12 characters) unfortunately. I've submitted a patch to system.ext2 to expand it to 18 characters, but most people won't see the expanded symbol palette until FRX04 is released, probably in late December. So no, you won't get everything that is currently printed on your keys even with my new Italian keymap. Your FN, Ctrl and SYM keys will work. Envelope will be mapped to SEARCH. Internet & SMS won't work because there is no way to assign that sort of functionality to a key without replacing the keycode and losing the rest of the key's functionality.
My suggestion would be to use short-cuts from within android for things like the internet and sms from the keyboard. Once you have the search key mapped to envelope you'll be able to do that since short-cuts in android combine the search key with another key. For example, by default, search+b opens up your browser, search+s opens up messaging, search+g opens up Gmail, search+e opens up email, search+m opens up the music player, etc... (These are adjustable from within Settings>Applications>Quick Launch. Personally, on my phone, I've moved messaging to Search+M and the music player to Search+P for easier use since it's awkward to press S while holding down the envelope key.) I'll look into XT9. I'm not sure about that one at the moment as it doesn't exist on my 210.
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OK, i understand now. I really cared about the SYM function, the rest doesn't matter so much. Thank you for explaining me!!....i wanted to ask 2 more things.
1) after i changed from :"rhod100it" to "rhod100_it" and rebooted android through the XDANDROID icon, it changed back to "rhod100it", so i have to boot android with haret.exe
after i change it. Will this problem be solved with your rootfs.img? if not, can i solve it on my own?
2)the change i made in startup.txt, made the power button not functional in android. With the power button and the home button(hang call) i used to turn off/on the screen (i changed the function of the home button in the OPTIONS and gave it the function to go back on the home page). Now i can't turn off the screen(i can only turn it on when the screen turns off by it self) unless i put the home button's function back to default. Again, will this problem be solved with your rootfs.img? if not, can i solve it on my own?
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OK, i understand now. I really cared about the SYM function, the rest doesn't matter so much. Thank you for explaining me!!....i wanted to ask 2 more things.
1) after i changed from :rhod100it" to "rhod100_it" and rebooted android through the the XDANDROID icon, it changed back to "rhod100it", so i have to boot android with haret.exe
after i change it. Will this problem be solved with your rootfs.img? if not, can i solve it on my own?
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The init script in rootfs specifically looks for physkeyboard=rhod100_it in your startup.txt. If it sees that then the Italian keyboard map & layout files will be used. If your startup.txt is being overwritten then I assume you're using some sort of startup utility. That isn't part of the rootfs. Sovereign wrote the startup utility which Reefer packages into his builds. If you're using one of Reefer's builds then you you should talk to Reefer or Sovereign about fixing that so that it works properly in the future for Italian 100's.
2)the change i made in startup.txt, made the power button not functional in andoid. With the power button and the home button(hang call) i used to turn off/on the screen (i changed the function of the home button in the OPTIONS and gave it the function to go back on the home page). Now i can't turn off the screen(i can only turn it on when the screen turns off by it self) unless i put the home button's function back to default. Again, will this problem be solved with your rootfs.img? if not, can i solve it on my own?(for example by changing kernel, i recently updated it to the last one....maybe an older version might help...)
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I wasn't aware that there's an option in startup.txt that makes the power button non-functional. How did you do that? My rootfs.img doesn't touch the power button. It operates as it normally does. It simply adds an option to startup.txt to remap the endcall button to the keycode HOME so that it not only works as home on a short press, but the ability to long press it and get the recent apps list is also preserved. (The software option in spare parts that currently exists doesn't remap the scan code, and thus the ability to pull up the recent apps list is lost.)
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The init script in rootfs specifically looks for physkeyboard=rhod100_it in your startup.txt. If it sees that then the Italian keyboard map & layout files will be used. If your startup.txt is being overwritten then I assume you're using some sort of startup utility. That isn't part of the rootfs. Sovereign wrote the startup utility which Reefer packages into his builds. If you're using one of Reefer's builds then you you should talk to Reefer or Sovereign about fixing that so that it works properly in the future for Italian 100's.
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OK thank you! i'll talk to him if i can't fix it!
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I wasn't aware that there's an option in startup.txt that makes the power button non-functional. How did you do that? My rootfs.img doesn't touch the power button. It operates as it normally does. It simply adds an option to startup.txt to remap the endcall button to the keycode HOME so that it not only works as home on a short press, but the ability to long press it and get the recent apps list is also preserved. (The software option in spare parts that currently exists doesn't remap the scan code, and thus the ability to pull up the recent apps list is lost.)
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You misunderstood...when i said "change in the startup.txt" i meant the change from "rhod100it" to "rhod100_it". After this change, the power button became nonfunctional...this is why i asked you...
americano91 said:
OK thank you! i'll talk to him if i can't fix it!
You misunderstood...when i said "change in the startup.txt" i meant the change from "rhod100it" to "rhod100_it". After this change, the power button became nonfunctional...this is why i asked you...
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That's strange. Your keyboard should have no effect on the power button. In fact, you can't change the power button's functionality from the rootfs where the keyboard is handled, only the kernel. What version of the kernel are you currently running? And please post your startup.txt.
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I wasn't aware that there's an option in startup.txt that makes the power button non-functional. How did you do that? My rootfs.img doesn't touch the power button. It operates as it normally does. It simply adds an option to startup.txt to remap the endcall button to the keycode HOME so that it not only works as home on a short press, but the ability to long press it and get the recent apps list is also preserved. (The software option in spare parts that currently exists doesn't remap the scan code, and thus the ability to pull up the recent apps list is lost.)
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Hi both.
I guess, because all of this happened to me too the very first time I approched to Xdandroid, that if no correct value is found in startup, the default keymap is loaded.
Can't be sure but I think default is Tilt2.
Maybe Tilt2 has power/endcall ... tilted ...
Therefore some language could be more advanced than others in regard of testing branches/key assignments' scripts.
In this regard I am using your personalized rootfs, with endcall/power on power button and home/recent tasks on red button.
For sym I use touch keyboard, which contains all accents. Quite tricky closing and opening, but not as slow as only touch
Cheers
ps
I read in another thread that you might need some italian to complete/check the IT keymap.
Can I help?
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That's strange. Your keyboard should have no effect on the power button. In fact, you can't change the power button's functionality from the rootfs where the keyboard is handled, only the kernel. What version of the kernel are you currently running? And please post your startup.txt.
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I'm using this kernel: htc-msm-linux @ 20101124_215731(the newest one) and this is my startup.txt:
set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2292
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmts_calib=0x9f.0x39a.0x35c.0x78 msmvkeyb_toggle=off pmem.extra=1 gsensor_axis=2,1,3 force_cdma=0 pm.sleep_mode=2 acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=786432 hw3d.force=1 physkeyboard=rhod100_it"
boot
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I'm using this kernel: htc-msm-linux @ 20101124_215731(the newest one) and this is my startup.txt:
set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2292
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmts_calib=0x9f.0x39a.0x35c.0x78 msmvkeyb_toggle=off pmem.extra=1 gsensor_axis=2,1,3 force_cdma=0 pm.sleep_mode=2 acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=786432 hw3d.force=1 physkeyboard=rhod100_it"
boot
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I copied your startup above onto my phone and I'm having no trouble using the power button to sleep/wake my phone. Now granted, the first time I tried it my phone was incredibly sluggish, and several of my keys seemed to produce 2 or 3 copies of the same letter every time they were pressed. Nevertheless initial sluggishness when you replace an XDAndroid component is a common issue unfortunately. A reboot fixed that and now all seems well with your startup.txt. So it doesn't look like your startup.txt is the source of your problem with the power button. Are you absolutely certain you updated to the 11/24 kernel and not an older one? Your problem sounds very much like a kernel issue.
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I copied your startup above onto my phone and I'm having no trouble using the power button to sleep/wake my phone. Now granted, the first time I tried it my phone was incredibly sluggish, and several of my keys seemed to produce 2 or 3 copies of the same letter every time they were pressed. Nevertheless initial sluggishness when you replace an XDAndroid component is a common issue unfortunately. A reboot fixed that and now all seems well with your startup.txt. So it doesn't look like your startup.txt is the source of your problem with the power button. Are you absolutely certain you updated to the 11/24 kernel and not an older one? Your problem sounds very much like a kernel issue.
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What about the setting Power Button Ends Call, in Settings, Accessibility?
Could that be guilty?
Maybe Americano enabled it while in berserk mode to get a solution
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What about the setting Power Button Ends Call, in Settings, Accessibility?
Could that be guilty?
Maybe Americano enabled it while in berserk mode to get a solution
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It would still work as power outside of a phone call. Inside of a phone call you'd just have to press it twice, once to end the call, and then a second time to put the phone asleep.
americano91 said:
I'm using this kernel: htc-msm-linux @ 20101124_215731(the newest one) and this is my startup.txt:
set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2292
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmts_calib=0x9f.0x39a.0x35c.0x78 msmvkeyb_toggle=off pmem.extra=1 gsensor_axis=2,1,3 force_cdma=0 pm.sleep_mode=2 acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=786432 hw3d.force=1 physkeyboard=rhod100_it"
boot
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Wow, I never tried, I guess sleepmode 2 is to have it stable while so overclocked ... your battery must by crying, mate!
Updating the Italian Key Map
sad0felix said:
Hi both.
I guess, because all of this happened to me too the very first time I approched to Xdandroid, that if no correct value is found in startup, the default keymap is loaded.
Can't be sure but I think default is Tilt2.
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Well there are two defaults. First there's the keyboard entry in the default startup.txt and second there is the default keyboard if there is no keyboard entry in startup.txt. The first is either a tilt2 or a rhod210 depending on where you pull your startup.txt from. The second is the raphael (touch pro 1), that's what the init script assigns if you don't tell it anything at all about your keyboard.
Therefore some language could be more advanced than others in regard of testing branches/key assignments' scripts.
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Currently the key maps/layouts are a hodgepodge. People created them for their own devices, sometimes hex-editing a different model's key map binary instead of creating a source file and then compiling it. So over half the existing keymaps in the rootfs repository lack source files. And it's pretty clear that a lot of the entries were just stabs in the dark by people who didn't understand what they were doing. I'm trying to bring some order to the mess. This project would be taking me far less time if I only did my 210 and stopped there, but I've expanded the project to include all rhod & raph models that we currently have keymaps/layouts for. Currently that's 9 for the rhod & 5 for the raph. I've even created a keymap/layout set for rhodiums with broken keyboards. So make that 10 for the rhod.
In this regard I am using your personalized rootfs, with endcall/power on power button and home/recent tasks on red button.
For sym I use touch keyboard, which contains all accents. Quite tricky closing and opening, but not as slow as only touch
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You'll have a working SYM key as soon as I get around to updating my rootfs. The Italian and French keymaps are the only two that weren't updated in the Nov. 22nd rootfs I posted. Well they were the only rhodium keymaps that weren't. Still need to do nearly all the raph keymaps, and I haven't even looked at the kovsky keymaps yet...
Cheers
ps
I read in another thread that you might need some italian to complete/check the IT keymap.
Can I help?
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Certainly. Can you post a pic of your Italian keyboard? I've already adjusted the key layout and decompiled the key map binary. I'm trying to place the same keys in the Italian map that I've added to the other keyboards. I'd like to see what's taken and what's available. We can then discuss alternate places to put those keys if the place I've used on the other keyboards is taken. I already know that fn-a which I've used for { on other keyboards is taken. On the German key map I've moved it to fn-d, but I'm not sure if that's available on your keyboard or not. According to the drawing in the manual it's available, but I suspect the drawing may be wrong since there was a ? there in the binary and I don't see the ? character printed on any of the keys in the drawing.
Preferably I'd like to pick keys that are both intuitive and available on all nine rhodium keyboards that we currently have defined within XDAndroid, and if not all, then at least the five 100's that are currently available in XDAndroid.
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Well there are two defaults. First there's the keyboard entry in the default startup.txt and second there is the default keyboard if there is no keyboard entry in startup.txt. The first is either a tilt2 or a rhod210 depending on where you pull your startup.txt from. The second is the raphael (touch pro 1), that's what the init script assigns if you don't tell it anything at all about your keyboard.
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Yep, I wasn't clear, that's how I guessed it had to be working: no physkeyboard? Fallback set. I obviously didn't know what it was, though
Currently the key maps/layouts are a hodgepodge. People created them for their own devices,
CUT
I've even created a keymap/layout set for rhodiums with broken keyboards. So make that 10 for the rhod.
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I can imagine the mess.
And yup, I read the thread of the unlucky guy with the swimming rhodium ... and crazy keyb.
Rice is very useful in such cases. My good old E71 knows something about it.
Certainly. Can you post a pic of your Italian keyboard?
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Sure ... just wait till I get home, TP2 is great phone but can't shoot itself
Preferably I'd like to pick keys that are both intuitive and available on all nine rhodium keyboards that we currently have defined within XDAndroid, and if not all, then at least the five 100's that are currently available in XDAndroid.
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Let's keep adherent to the standard.
Just to talk: I don't even know if it's possible to make them work in Android, but the keyb combos I miss most are CTRL+arrows, CTRL+SHIFT+arrows, CTRL+X, CTRL+C, CTRL+V.
All the rest is not very much used, really.
I'll post the picture ASAP.
Then will wait for files to update/check
sad0felix said:
I can imagine the mess.
And yup, I read the thread of the unlucky guy with the swimming rhodium ... and crazy keyb.
Rice is very useful in such cases. My good old E71 knows something about it.
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Rice? How did you apply your um...treatment?
Just to talk: I don't even know if it's possible to make them work in Android, but the keyb combos I miss most are CTRL+arrows, CTRL+SHIFT+arrows, CTRL+X, CTRL+C, CTRL+V.
All the rest is not very much used, really.
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Whether or not these combinations will work is dependent on the application. Android doesn't have a ctrl keycode, but many applications treat the keycode DPAD_CENTER as if it were the ctrl key. So mapping DPAD_CENTER to the scan code for the physical ctrl key gives us a functional ctrl key in many applications including terminal emulator. Four of the five Euro 100's had their ctrl keys mapped to MENU instead in their layout files however. I had to replace MENU with DPAD_CENTER to make the ctrl key work. Everyone I've talked prefers a working ctrl key, but there's probably someone out there who will scream when this change gets committed and subsequently makes it into the auto-build.
I'll post the picture ASAP.
Then will wait for files to update/check
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Sounds good.
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Rice? How did you apply your um...treatment?
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LOL, don't tell me you grandma never told you this secret!!!!
Rice is very, very hygroscopic. Even more than common salt (sodium chloride).
In fact here is common to see rice mixed with salt, as a speedy remedy to keep salt dry.
Only silica sachets are better than rice, but they are very expensive or too small to fit the role here.
I bet everyone will agree that diving an electronic device into salt would not end well.
On the other side, diving an electronic device into rice grains is safe (even if some grain get into it, it's easy to shake them away when all is dried up), and clean (rice doesn't produce as much powder/dust as, i.e., wheat, that could cloak up wet stuff).
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My E71 falled into a river, while staying, supposedly safe, into my pocket ... ^_^
A friend pushed me in. On his defence, he didn't know I had it. Happens.
The phone is still fine, after more than 1 year after that unexpected bath.
Everyone I've talked prefers a working ctrl key, but there's probably someone out there who will scream when this change gets committed and subsequently makes it into the auto-build.
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Yup, that's sure. Never change anything unexpectedly ... or the barbarians will roll over you in seconds.
But no one forbids people to shape their keyboard layout as they like best, right?
So maybe I can help the project a little bit, while learning how to fish so to avoid just asking for fishes, if you know what I mean
Being able to build things on my own gives me a lot more satisfaction than taking/buying them done.
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Are you absolutely certain you updated to the 11/24 kernel and not an older one? Your problem sounds very much like a kernel issue.
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i'm absolutely sure it's the 11/24 kernel. And besides.....before i changed the rhod100it in the startup.txt everything worked fine! also i have a friend of mine that has the exact same problem, and we both upgraded to the 11/24 kernel...do you know if there will be a new release soon??? it could be my only hope! it's a really weird situation...i don't know why but i have the feeling that when i'll substitute my rootfs with yours, everything is going to work out!! i guess i'll just have to wait until then........
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Wow, I never tried, I guess sleepmode 2 is to have it stable while so overclocked ... your battery must by crying, mate!
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yeah!! can't get to the end of the day!! is there something i can do to improve it??
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I just ran android through the startup program (since it overwrites the stratup.txt changing rhod100_it to rhod100it) instead of running it with haret.exe, and the power button works again but obviously i have a crappy keyboard