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I was wondering when I have upgraded my Himalaya with Magneto. Too many bugs made me worry. The 2 biggest was:
-ActiveSync wasn't working...
-Too many applications that I was using with Diamond cannot install...
Can anyone explain me WHY is this incompatibility there? I don't understand WHY Magneto is not able to install/run applications that on 2003SE are working perfectly.
Thanx.

oh oh oh ...
imagine , you've got a pc , with windows98 and a lot of software installed ....
and , you install windows xp sp2 on your pc , but you install all the old soft you have installed on your windows 98 ...
Do you really think that all your old soft run fine with win xp sp2 ???
Nooooo
it's the same with wm2005
wm2005 is a new os , and like with news , some old softwares don't run anymore

Yes I thing...
...and I know that's normal. This is a wrong example,because all the old PC soft that I have in my comp works fine in XP. Upgraded from '98. In XP you can run also new MS-DOS apps. WM2k3se/2k5 is not like 98/XP in PC.
Ex:Intellipad is not working in 2003,but only in 2003se! Therefore I thing,that's relatively new software. However this soft is not running in Magneto. I say it once again. WHY this uncompatibility? It's a wrong step for Microsoft.

hard to say for sure who is to blame
if it's the 3th party programmers who are cutting corners and making hacks in their programs and those hacks then are not compatible when ms make their os more "stable" or deside to inforce the rules more strictly
or if it's ms who change the stk and how things are don in the os because they feel like it and dont care if it means that 3th party programs will have issues
or if ms are doing the 3th party programmers a favour by making sure they can sell upgrades / new versions of their software

XM5
It's called MONEY.
If you upgrade your OS then in some (not all cases) you have to upgrade the software - and that costs you money.
Their viewpoint is:-
Why should the companies who write the software for one OS in particular have to cough up to make changes to that software when a new OS version comes out?
It is hard to make software forward compatible when you don't know what/when it is coming out.
Upgrade OS at your own peril.

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A little bit crazy...
MS WinXP supports the applications for Win98...
Then why not the same issue by mobile devices?
I don't understand coz it is not too much apps designated especially for Magneto. All the old software(even though it is very good) is then unusable...[/quote]

TomasNM said:
I was wondering when I have upgraded my Himalaya with Magneto. Too many bugs made me worry. The 2 biggest was:
-ActiveSync wasn't working...
-Too many applications that I was using with Diamond cannot install...
Can anyone explain me WHY is this incompatibility there? I don't understand WHY Magneto is not able to install/run applications that on 2003SE are working perfectly.
Thanx.
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Hi,
ActiveSync works perfectly in all possible ways: over irda, over bluetooth and over cradle (usb/com)
Did you install ActiveSync4???

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Yes I did it. I have tried up to 3 hours,have readed all the forums,did everything that's possible and no success to connection. I don't have IrDA in my laptop,but have built-in Bluetooth. No success also. Yes I couldn't connect that time via BT also with 2003se which works perfectly. Now I can connect via BT to AS,therefore it can't be so big problem. But the non-working applications made me worry. Shame... So good OS is the Magneto,but useless...

Don't get desperate!!
First things first, remember that this version of Magneto that you used to upgrade is not final. Hence, it will have bugs and compatibility issues. This is why most developers don't suggest people to install anything that is not final unless they absolutely need to.
As for the Windows XP vs 98 part of the thread, even though it is true that some 98 applications run flawlwessly on XP, you gotta remember what happened when XP first came out. Most (if not all) software and hardware to be installed warned you that you may have problems if you proceeded with the installation. Service packs and Windows updates knocked most of those issues out, which is why most 98 applications now run on XP. I hope this clarifies things

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Thanx. I didn't watch the PCOS Windows evolution and therefore I didn't know,that XP was the same example as Magneto. If the final version of WM 5.0 will be as the WinXP and the old-applications friendly,then it will be very good piece of software.

HTC Touch on Universal ?

Hi,
as many of you allready know, HTC released the new HTC Touch as a response to Apple's iPhone.
I looked at some videos on youtube and some technical specs of the phone.. and it simply seems a program that runs on a WM6. So it shouldn't be some difficult to port it to other devices, I don't think that the HTC Touch has some special hardware or touchscreen.
The only thing I read is that it has different touchscreen drivers, but that shouldn't be a problem: I already saw here on xda-dev many other ports or programming miracles
Ok it's a program native for QVGA... that sucks and could possibly cause many problems to port it on the Universal.
It could also be that it wouldn't have decent performance playing the animantions (page flip,...) because of the VGA resolution.
I don't know.... but I would like to create this thread in order to see the progress and the news of the Touch Technology (let's call it so) port on Universal.
Helmi, Midget and all other gurus of the universal... please help us with this cool Touch Tech
Videos of the HTC Touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9h3TRndhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8PMcvYTZo
...and here is some basic infos and some dumps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
I've to say that the today plugin and the rest of the menus are very similar to Spb Mobile Shell... the only thing more are the gestures that you can make on the touchscreen and the animations between the menus.
Ok let's go!
We'll see how it goes on now

So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?

Yep
markymanxxx said:
So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?
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Yep I think so too. It doesn't seem to me that there are significant hardware differences between the HTC Touch and other PocketPCs.
But let's wait and see what our gurus say to it

Sorry to dissapoint....
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys & gals, but over at the Athena and Hermes forums and some others over at 4winmobile have been looking into this for some time now and there is a major difference other than the .dll driver.
The Touch has a new technology screen that is completely different from what has been in PPC's before. Most of the software can be ported from the HTC Touch/Elf, and will work on QVGA WM5/6 devices and some conversions will be necessary for our VGA devices, but the actual Cube Touch GUI will NOT work without the right hardware.
see here for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459&page=3
mackaby007 said:
Been following a cool thread over at 4winmobile.com about the whole HTC Touch themes, cabs and interface etc...Looks like everything else is transferable, except the cube GUI, as......
Also...
Sorry peeps. Looks like new screen hardware after all But no one is giving up on an alternative.
Anyway, take a look at that thread anyway as it is very interesting all the same.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-announcements/9739-black-iv-shadow-preview.html
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have to confirm that it is new hardware, and that the plugins/programs have the resolution hard-coded into them so nothing useful for our uni yet...
interestingly enough though the biotouch (what they call it) calls use native windows mobile dll's (albeit new functions that previously were not in there, so we can speculate that this isnt a one off and more devices will be seen with these type of screens)

dll's and VGA
Basically when I see how they use this touchscreen I see no big difference between an old one.
For the cube GUI the system has only to recognize a "touch & drag" on the screen. If this function isn't in our dll's they could somehow be ported on our uni
But the most big problem I see is the VGA resolution.....
Anyone knows the HTC Touch specs? Has it some new and high performance graphic chip (perhaps nvidia or something similar?)
Because we have to consider that VGA = 4x QVGA (number of pixels) and as I know our beatuful Uni hasn't a luxus graphic processor. I remember some benchmarks and compared to other devices it had a somehow slower graphic chip.
I'm afraid that if we can port the gui to Uni on VGA it won't work with decent performance
Does anyone know more of the Cube GUI? Is it precalculated (only an animation) or is it a realtime rapresentation of the current objects flipping over the faces of a cube?
To be honest I think it's precalculated graphics... Why make it realtime and performance-cost? The cube turns very fast and it would very difficult to see the difference between a simple animation and a real 3d rendering.
And when we think how many open processes a user has on his pocketpc; I could easly imagine that if we only were listening to music with an mp3 player, with a resident antivirus (lol) and some other background apps....the cube would have big problems to be rendered at a decent framerate.
Ok these are only speculations, I have no idea of how the HTC Touch really works. I only saw the youtube presentation
If the cube won't be ported on Uni... I'll wait for someone to adapt Beryl for PocketPC eheheheh lol
Go on folks...
Greets

Touch on..... Prophet.
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.

Silver_Gost said:
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.
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Does the cube GUI work (even partially) ?

are there no news for the Universal??

TouchFlo 3D

Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

isnt it only for htc touch diamond?

It isn't out yet. The 3d Touchflo Interface debuts with the HTC Diamond. Should be out by June/July.

I forgot to mention that the 3d Touchflo Interface demands better hardware and memory than most of the devices any of us has currently. The chances that it will run smoothly with our devices are very slim.

I think its a little sluggish on Touch Diamond itseld from what Ive heard from some of those who attended the press event.
Imagining it on Artemis could only be a joke.. It requires a GPU. And it also looks like this application has a lot of locks preventing cookers from porting. But still XDA-dev has much better hackers to overcome those. Lets wait for the devices on the market first.
Regards,
Carty..

here is a couple of words...i'd like to have 3d,but i suppose its not possible
However, a TouchFLO 3D upgrade for current HTC Touch smartphones (like the Touch, Touch Dual or Touch Cruise) isn't planned due to increased and changed hardware requirements.
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if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only

fair does that phone looks stunning,i was gonna get the orbit 2, but the diamond is much faster and better looking, quite looking forward to this one

After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!

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working man said:
After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!
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that same . too

CAB File
Can you post this CAB file?
sheennick123456:
if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only
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HTC manila AKA touch flo 3D
here you go
http://www.4shared.com/file/47016031/5436a738/manila1001030release.html
i checked it........it is the same user interface tht is in the htc diamond
but remember it is only for VGA ppcs n wont work on artemis
some people hav tried it on various VGA ppcs n the app runs only on HTC made ppcs(doesnt work on O2 XDA flame)
u may get framerates like 10-15fps

I have a X50v that's with my friend. I'll make a try...

Hi, In this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500&page=14
a developer called dobb try to adapt the manila VGA to QVGA and release a version alpha and beta that works in the qvga devices but obviously run slow and need to adapt the soft buttons. You can install the cab of VGA version and the dll's, thus overwrite the files in manila folder with the alpha or beta version of QVGA.(This version need to polish more)
The version posted for sheennick123456 was a beta of touchflo3d leaked in january 2008, and with greater reason, the actual version should run faster.
I have no doubt that any developer here not only achieved by extracting the touchflo3d but also the driver to run correctly.
Think about that:
When "Touch" released, HTC said the touchflo could only run on those Devices because of the special hardware (screen), but there are many of us who run the touchflo in our Artemis without such hardware (screen).
Greetings

really it isn't working... i installed it and i don't know how to uninstall.. anybody??

it creates a folder named manila somewhere in the device memory
i dont recollect the exact path but i guess it is in the my documents
all u have to do is delete this folder

If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.

ryomahino said:
If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.
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that's what i did on "blind" thanks anyway... let's hope that some of the "gods" over here will adjust it for Artemis

Dont works on Kaiser WM6....

I have one, battery sucks. it's ok kinda hard to get around
cvenk said:
Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have one it'ss hard to move around and remember keys, battery sucks too,

it is based on wince (ce 6.0)

check out this fancy chart
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/

They also said that 6.5 doesn't support capacitive screens (what kind of screen does the HD2 ship with and what OS does it ship with?)

They have no clue. You should be careful what you believe.

RustyGrom said:
They also said that 6.5 doesn't support capacitive screens (what kind of screen does the HD2 ship with and what OS does it ship with?)
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As I've said numerous times, WM doesn't care what technology the screen is using, it just requires some data about a mouse event on the screen somewhere. Multitouch is what WM6.5.X can't natively handle, and that's what HTC have hacked in.

Okay, I think the information that WP7 is based on a WinCE 6.0 kernel might be correct.
I don't see an alternative. But in many ways this is good for us. Yes, they have changed some things for sure. But tell me, in which areas has the old kernel proven to be bad/old/not usable? It will be more like an upgrade like from Win XP Kernel to Vista and I think, with some kind of compatibility mode and drawbacks in terms of visual style, many old applications should be working.
Greetings from Germany,
Sebastian

Crash1983 said:
Okay, I think the information that WP7 is based on a WinCE 6.0 kernel might be correct.
I don't see an alternative. But in many ways this is good for us. Yes, they have changed some things for sure. But tell me, in which areas has the old kernel proven to be bad/old/not usable? It will be more like an upgrade like from Win XP Kernel to Vista and I think, with some kind of compatibility mode and drawbacks in terms of visual style, many old applications should be working.
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The difference between WinCE 5 and 6 is more like the difference between Windows 95 and XP. All applications digging too deep into the system (like all this hooking/interprocess stuff) will not be possible anymore and needs to be adapted to CE 6. All the application (GUI) level stuff didn't change from CE 5 to CE 6. If WP7 is based on CE 6 and WM 6.7 (if it really happens?) is also based on CE 6 this would be AWESOME. Same kernel base, so it's probably gonna be easier to port things between them. I also still don't believe that all WM 5/6/6.5 apps aren't completely working anymore on WP7. Some of them probably need some "fine tuning" to adapt to the new OS but that's also been the case when they switched from PPC 2003 to WM 5.

Acer n50 : Upgrading WM or install Android

Hello everyone!
I have here a quite old (well, perhaps not so "old") PDA, an Acer n50, and I'd like to improve it.
I have seen recently that great people have been able to port Android onto Windows Mobile designed PDAs and smartphones. I even have seen a youtube video guy able to start (just start) Linux on a n50 back in 2007.
So finally my question is : do you think it is possible to install/run a reasonably recent version of Android on this Acer n50? If not or if difficult, can it be possible to install/run a more recent version of Windows Mobile on it? (but honestly, I have a much greater estime towards Android ). I would also like to have some help to achieve this. I have already searched the net for this and Android's developer pages, but I have not found this kind of information or I simply got lost.
I am not a hacker. In fact, I don"t have any experience in this at all. I just know how to fiddle in the console to launch some stuff and have the least of the basics.
Here are the Acer n50's specifications :
Constructor : Acer
Screen : Backlit Color
Touch screen : Yes
Resolution : TFT LCD Screen, 65 536 colors, 240 x 300 pixels
Microprocessor / Frequency : Intel PXA272 at 312 MHz
Operating System : Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition
Memory : 128 Mo de RAM, 64 Mo de ROM
Wireless connection : IrDA, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 802.11b
Audio/vidéo functionnalities : Audio system with integrated speaker and microphone, headset plug
Integrated basic applications : Microsoft Pocket Outlook, Pocket Word, Pocket Excel, MSN Messenger, Windows Media Player 9, Internet Explorer, Calculator, File Explorer, Microsoft ActiveSync 3.7.1, Pictures, Games
Extension port : Accepts SD cards, MMC, CompactFlash
Power : Lithium-ion polymer rechargeable battery
Dimensions (l x p x h) in mm : 120 x 70 x 17,4 mm
Weight in grams : 150 g
Thank you by advance for your help and far by advance.... your patience.

64mb ram is too little for windows mobile 6.5 but someone just did the impossible so you might ask them to cook one for you providing they have the hardware.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593539

n50user said:
64mb ram is too little for windows mobile 6.5 but someone just did the impossible so you might ask them to cook one for you providing they have the hardware.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593539
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Acer n50 never got WM5 upgrade, so there is NO chance for any upgrade from WM2003SE.
To cook a WM6.5 ROM for a device at least WM5 ROM is required as they share almost the same kernel.

There are several posts on the net in french and english about this WM5 upgrade from Acer for n50. But the download link to it seems blocked now by login restrictions or dead links.
Up to now, the up-to-date repository for Acer n50 is this : ftp.support.acer-euro.com/handheld/n50/ there is no rom in there so right now there is no upgrade in fact.
So, as the upgrade for n50 was just vapor or has disappeared mysteriously, is there a way I could install WM5 (through a rom or whatever way that can be possible) over WM2003SE? I have read some people would try this without being sure if it is possible.
By the way, do you think it can also be possible to have the system in french in 5 or 6.5 in someway?
Thank you for your help.

I think that Acer n50 WM5 ROM never existed or maybe Acer made it, but never released it.
As there is no WM5 ROM for n50, there's nothing you can do.
ROMs are device specific, so that means you can't use any other device ROM.
System in french would only be possible if there would be a WM5 ROM.

All right so all possibilities are getting restrained then.
So, two last questions :
Could there be a way for me to install Windows Mobile 5 on this Acer (I guess not otherwise you would already have told me)? It looks weird that people are able to cook WM6.x and not WM5...
Can it be possible to install a version of Android on this PDA?
Too bad it cannot be possible to try to improve this device like it could be for some little bit old computers...

Concorad said:
Could there be a way for me to install Windows Mobile 5 on this Acer (I guess not otherwise you would already have told me)? It looks weird that people are able to cook WM6.x and not WM5...
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People are able to cook WM6.x because they have a WM5 to use as base. That means if device does not have a WM5, there is no chance for a cooked WM6.x ROM.
You must find a WM5 ROM for n50, that's your only chance.
Concorad said:
Can it be possible to install a version of Android on this PDA?
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Basically it's possible, but someone must make it. But I don't think that it will ever happen.

All right then, thank you for your answers.