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That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
Check it out here: http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
I'm on Sprint and am still running 6.1 stock in the name of saving battery life. But I must say that it still ticks me off sometimes that my phone requires a RAM hogging visual overhaul in order to make it useable.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
In other news, Windows Mobile will be getting Xbox live! Hooray! Microsoft is going to take something that they actually did right (Xbox live) and expand it onto other fields. This is really exciting, I can't wait to see what comes of this.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/windows-mobile-and-xbox-live-coming-together-according-to-micro/
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*Unofficial
That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
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I saw that on the Twitter of a techblog I read.
I thought I already saw somewhere that it was definite the TP2 would not get the *official* WM7 upgrade due to the hardware limitations. I thought the 1Ghz processor was a [true] necessity.
Just my thoughts (subject to change as things start leaking for WM7):
Really, the 528MHz processor is pretty underpowered. It's the same processor of the Raphael, and our Rhodiums are supposed to be a generation ahead (TP1 / TP2). Simply using the Leo ROMs available on XDA, people start complaining about lag and such - and that's still essentially WM6.5. Imagine the lag we would get with WM7. However, I would probably hop onto a WM7 beta ROM once they start cooking here on XDA.
Of course XDA will provide us with WM7.
OMGWTF_BBQ said:
*Unofficial
That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
Check it out here: http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
I'm on Sprint and am still running 6.1 stock in the name of saving battery life. But I must say that it still ticks me off sometimes that my phone requires a RAM hogging visual overhaul in order to make it useable.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
In other news, Windows Mobile will be getting Xbox live! Hooray! Microsoft is going to take something that they actually did right (Xbox live) and expand it onto other fields. This is really exciting, I can't wait to see what comes of this.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/windows-mobile-and-xbox-live-coming-together-according-to-micro/
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Welcome to forums
Thanks for your information.
Rhodium will have it one way or another!
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Completely agree
if you remember, the htc wizard was not supposed to get a winmo 6 update, but I made a pretty durable rom for it. it ran one of the later OS's and after working the graphics down, it ran faster than a kaiser running the same build.
I am pretty sure that the TP2 will be able to handle win 7. the only thing that might be stopping it is the touch screen. dont they say that it has to have a capacitive screen for winmo 7 for multitouch?
personaly, i hate capacitive screens that do not allow stylus. I like drawing too much. I have a program called Pocket Artist (photoshop for winmo) and I use it all the time. however, It might not be as accurate with out a stilus.
the other thing is that the winmo 7 kernel is supposed to be the smallest ever. meaning that everything else is just bloatware. so if a lot of bloatware is removed... it will run winmo 7 as well as a wizard runs winmo 6.5 at least.
sumflipnol said:
I saw that on the Twitter of a techblog I read.
I thought I already saw somewhere that it was definite the TP2 would not get the *official* WM7 upgrade due to the hardware limitations. I thought the 1Ghz processor was a [true] necessity.
Just my thoughts (subject to change as things start leaking for WM7):
Really, the 528MHz processor is pretty underpowered. It's the same processor of the Raphael, and our Rhodiums are supposed to be a generation ahead (TP1 / TP2). Simply using the Leo ROMs available on XDA, people start complaining about lag and such - and that's still essentially WM6.5. Imagine the lag we would get with WM7. However, I would probably hop onto a WM7 beta ROM once they start cooking here on XDA.
Of course XDA will provide us with WM7.
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This really troubles me personally. As under Moore's law technology is suppose to double every two years, with mobile phone technologies this seems to be happening every two months. :|
Going from the Qualcomm 7600 to a 1GHz is a massive leap! I'm sure by Q1/2 2010 we will be seeing processors in cell phones that are to rival the Atom 1.6GHz in my netbook. The remaining problem is that of battery life, although underclocking and new technologies and better batteries will solve that.
I guess my problem is that I shelled out ALOT of money for this phone and it's predecessor (Which was unveiled the DAY I received my TP2) doubled the power with a 5MP camera and upgraded interface. But again, I bought my phone for it's keyboard; which has yet to disappoint.
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Completely agree
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Thanks orb3000! I've been here, but have only silently watched.
Yah, I figured you guys would eventually make something.
Although sometimes I just feel as if my TP2 is bloated running all the fancy bells and whistles of Touchflo 3D. Even with just Windows Mobile 6.1, there's just so much unnecessary junk going on that it's "weighing down" the phone. I love the fact that my phone is a true "computing device" but sometimes it makes me feel as if I'm stuck using Windows 98.
Personally I wish Microsoft would release a "light" build of Windows Mobile 7. The best way to make new customers is to keep your old ones happy.
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if you remember, the htc wizard was not supposed to get a winmo 6 update, but I made a pretty durable rom for it. it ran one of the later OS's and after working the graphics down, it ran faster than a kaiser running the same build.
I am pretty sure that the TP2 will be able to handle win 7. the only thing that might be stopping it is the touch screen. dont they say that it has to have a capacitive screen for winmo 7 for multitouch?
personaly, i hate capacitive screens that do not allow stylus. I like drawing too much. I have a program called Pocket Artist (photoshop for winmo) and I use it all the time. however, It might not be as accurate with out a stilus.
the other thing is that the winmo 7 kernel is supposed to be the smallest ever. meaning that everything else is just bloatware. so if a lot of bloatware is removed... it will run winmo 7 as well as a wizard runs winmo 6.5 at least.
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The Wizard is a little before my time. My previous phone to my TP2 was the LG Chocolate. Major upgrade for me.
But I get where you are coming from. I've been working with computer for all my life and know what it's like to work with systems that weren't originally designed to carry the software that they operate on.
Personally, I don't care about graphics. I just want a system that works well and gets the job done.
I also hear you on the stylus. I really don't have a problem yanking mine out and poking at the screen with it. Makes me feel sophisticated, lol.
"You use your finger to touch your screen, how dirty and primitive! Use a utensile for christ sake!"
That was a dramatisation, lol.
So thanks S.V.I, those are encouraging words. It'd be great to have a crapware free OS.
Maybe by then I'll be able to work on a ROM myself so I may optimise it to my liking. But until then I'll contribute what I can and continue doing my little tweaks here and there.
Hi all
Been using my HD2 for a while and i love it. BUT i got 2 operator subscriptions (i need that) and i been drooling over the Pro 2, and seeing all the development is happening on this device, i ask my self. How is scrolling and speed? Is it fast? I guess with all the devolopment happening on it there are significant improvments, i realise that. BUT its a rather old device now so i want to ask you, the users. Maybe one of you even as i waant, have both phones to tell me in comparison.
In other words, will it be smooth and fast in scrolling and using softwares?
Sorry for my bad english, im from Sweden. Hope you can tell me the answer thou because im closing in on a buy and need the info rather fast.
Kind regards from the HTC WM lover, Peder Nakazul Tjärnberg.
I've been using TP2 for 9 or 10 months now. My only complaint is that this device is underpowered. No matter which ROM the user experience is never really smooth. It is probably possible when you go for speed only and cut down on everything else, but if you're looking for some eye candy it's not gonna be smooth. Hope it helps.
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Hi all
Been using my HD2 for a while and i love it. BUT i got 2 operator subscriptions (i need that) and i been drooling over the Pro 2, and seeing all the development is happening on this device, i ask my self. How is scrolling and speed? Is it fast? I guess with all the devolopment happening on it there are significant improvments, i realise that. BUT its a rather old device now so i want to ask you, the users. Maybe one of you even as i waant, have both phones to tell me in comparison.
In other words, will it be smooth and fast in scrolling and using softwares?
Sorry for my bad english, im from Sweden. Hope you can tell me the answer thou because im closing in on a buy and need the info rather fast.
Kind regards from the HTC WM lover, Peder Nakazul Tjärnberg.
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Your English is better than my Swedish! The TP2 is never going to be as fast as the HD2. The HD2 has twice the processor power and much more RAM. I considered getting the HD2, but I decided to stay with my TP2 because of the nice keyboard and the fact that it is the last pure Window Mobile phone. The HD2 does not have a stylus, that says it all! I like WM because it is customizable.
However, if one tweaks the TP2 correctly, it is adequate to most any task. Memory is more of an issue for me rather than speed. Sense tends to eat up the RAM. Sometimes I use SPB Mobile Shell instead of Sense for this reason.
So, the summary; if you use the device "out of the box" and like the HD2, then that is probably the best device. If you need to do a lot of typing and are willing to work with the device to get the best performance, then the TP2 may be the device of choice.
If you have used an HD2 for regular use, the TP2 is unbearably slow (IMHO). It has half the mhz's, but it's also an older generation chip, the HD2 is much more than twice as fast.
Whenever I need to power up any of the old MSM7K devices, I cry a little inside.
But the lack of keyboard, lack of stylus, and capacitive screen of the HD2 also make me frown. I miss using the stylus for precision stuff, I miss the keyboard for quick typing, and I miss resistive screens because even if you don't want to use a stylus, using your finger actually clicks in the same zipcode as where your finger is.
Luckily, when I'm in that mood I can also power up a Samsung Giorgio Armani II, which is a lot faster than the TP2 (though not as fast as HD2).
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If you have used an HD2 for regular use, the TP2 is unbearably slow (IMHO). It has half the mhz's, but it's also an older generation chip, the HD2 is much more than twice as fast.
Whenever I need to power up any of the old MSM7K devices, I cry a little.
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MSM7K? What does that mean?
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MSM7K? What does that mean?
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It's the processor. The HD2 has a QSD8K "Snapdragon" processor. Pretty much all other HTC devices from the last 3 years or so use one of the variants of the MSM7K processor. To name a few devices: Touch Dual, TyTN II, Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD, Diamond II, Touch Pro II. The HD2 is in many aspects the first new device HTC has released in over 3 years.
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It's the processor. The HD2 has a QSD8K "Snapdragon" processor. Pretty much all other HTC devices from the last 3 years or so use one of the variants of the MSM7K processor. To name a few devices: Touch Dual, TyTN II, Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD, Diamond II, Touch Pro II. The HD2 is in many aspects the first new device HTC has released in over 3 years.
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Ah, I had not heard the designation before!
But doesn't a faster processor impact battery life?
Just stop trying to run WinMo 6.5.x ROMS with Sense on your Rhodiums and you'll find the device is quite snappy.
Find a 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo 3D (the monochromatic one, not sure what it is really called) or even just regular Today screen. You'll not miss the eye-candy for a second.
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.
with the death of windows mobile, cdma launch of wp7, and the iphone coming to verizon it opens alot of options for people like me who are due for an upgrade. Besides the lag and freezes i thoroughly enjoyed the freedom i had with Windows Mobile being able to download music on the go in rar files/zip files and everything and update my library on the go all without the use of a computer and being able to use my phone in mass storage mode on computers and things i know at the moment wp7 is limited in comparison and there are other platforms out there but im primarily interested in wp7.
But i was wondering with the promising upgrades coming and your experience with wp7 thus far how would u rank wp7 iphone and android? what are the pros and cons of each platform in comparison to each other?
im 90% confident im upgrading to wp7 but i would like to hear more input from people who have used the other platforms more thoroughly than I have.
ios is a kids OS. It's jumbled, it's boring, there's no hardware selection, and the only reason to get it is the app selection. Android is also ugly, jumbled, though you can tinker more on it than any OS that's currently in the land of the living. The lag is what most kills android. WP7 as a whole is awesome. It is missing a few features necessary to some people but for the most part it's blowing smoke. Most of them are unimportant features people accentuate on aside from GPS. I have all the faith in the world that by this time next year WP7 will be right up there.
WP7 is a lot better better than iOS and Android IMO. I do like that Android is open like WinMo was, but that opens it up for being more buggy, laggy, etc. iOS and WP7 are similar in their fluidity, but WP7 just looks and flows better. It's very, very smoothe feeling. Even though the app selection is smaller, it still provides the basic ones everyone uses and has a lot of really good games that aren't available on other platforms.
Android is great in that its really powerful and feature rich. You can do a lot of tinkering with it. However, it feels like somebody's senior project and does not feel like a polished OS. Lots of lag and other anomalies that make using it sometimes less than ideal. However, it does work, and it had excellent Google integration not to mention the very handy tethering/wifi hotspot.
iOS is a very polished product which works excellently with its hardware, and has an insane amount of added functionality by way of their huge developer base/apps. To set up the homescreens ect in a way that doesn't seem meant for a toddler, you need to jailbreak. However, its not difficult to do (although the overall feel still feels a little fischer price to me). And with apple there is a one size fits all mentality. One phone model updated yearly. And, like Android, this OS is based on the 1990's desktop style which moved into handsets by way of Palm quite a while ago.
wp7 Metro UI is quite amazing and an evolution in how you can and will use your handset in a more efficient and intuitive way (imo). It is highly polished and very responsive with some extremely high quality apps (a trend which will continue). Much higher than Android, and some even higher than iOS.
However, the OS is severely crippled in deeper functionality at this point. The email & music players are the best out there as is the metro UI in general, but the settings available to you are pretty limited and there are big things missing like smart dialing and socket support. Given time to add more features this OS will be hard to beat. Most of the necessary features are in the OS and work fine, but you may find a few things hard to live without.
So basically wp7 UI is top notch and much more pleasant to use (I'd say webOS is second), and given another year should be pretty close in functionality to the rest of the platforms. When that time comes, the choice is simple: wp7 given the same power and features has a much better UI while still having choice in hardware.
Me? I have used them all. Using a wp7 device now, and its really hard to go back to my Android, even with the added functionality simply because wp7 UI is so beautiful, and Android is...well....not. I just hope some of my needed functionality comes sooner rather than later.
If you're used to the freedom of WM6 and being able to use your phone as a computer replacement, then you'll regret going to WP7 which is like a glorified feature phone compared to WM6 or Android . Let's see... no sockets API, no file system, no multi-tasking until maybe even early 2012, no real customization of any aspect of the UI / core functionality.
Install the Zune software and check out what apps are available. If you can live with those choices then you'll probably love the phone. But if you're used to the power and flexibility of WM6 then I suspect you'd be happier with Android. Which, despite the rabid hate from the WP7 fanboys here (ahem, z33dev33l), is not even remotely near as bad as they would have you believe provided you're running a high end device with 2.2+.
My wife loves WP7 because it's simple and straight forward. I hate it because it doesn't do anything I need it to and the lack of multitasking makes it feel way slower than it really is if you use a lot of 3rd party apps. It's the same old story. Different strokes for different folks. Try them both and use whatever works for you .
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the power and flexibility of WM6
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Good one.
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Hey, I didn't say anything about speed or stability.
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2 things both android and WM are completely lacking.
I've used PocketPC/WindowsMobile devices for years, enjoyed them and found them most useful. I loved my Touch Diamond - great device. When I first saw my friend/co-worker's G1 I was underwhelmed by the look of Android. A year later I have a Galaxy S and love it - but Android 2.2.1 doesn't look that much different than what I saw on the G1. The iPhone is a non-issue for me. Yes, very polished but I just cannot buy into it for a few reasons (I have had a few iPods in the past but grew tired of them).
After some time and consideration of the pro's and con's I decided to give WP7 a chance. Besides, the Focus is essentially a Galaxy S with WP7 instead of Android. I absolutely love it. It is so refined aesthetically that it makes Android look amateurish - I still like Android though. Just have to wait for proper GPS and Lexicomp to make my WP7 complete.
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Hey, I didn't say anything about speed or stability.
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Haha very true.
I'd rank WP7 1st in UI and smoothness, last in functionality and features.
z33dev33l said:
ios is a kids OS. It's jumbled, it's boring, there's no hardware selection, and the only reason to get it is the app selection. Android is also ugly, jumbled, though you can tinker more on it than any OS that's currently in the land of the living. The lag is what most kills android. WP7 as a whole is awesome. It is missing a few features necessary to some people but for the most part it's blowing smoke. Most of them are unimportant features people accentuate on aside from GPS. I have all the faith in the world that by this time next year WP7 will be right up there.
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So ios is a kids' os, but at this point wp7 isn't, yet ios, does much more than wp7 is doing now, and probably will do for the rest of this year?
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So ios is a kids' os, but at this point wp7 isn't, yet ios, does much more than wp7 is doing now, and probably will do for the rest of this year?
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I'd say the look & feel are very childlike, but the functionality is not.
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2 things both android and WM are completely lacking.
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With your signature, I'm not sure how anyone can take you seriously any more...
Anyway, I will say this: When you look at WM6 or Android, I think the old saying applies: With great power comes great responsibility. On both of these platforms there's no question that the user can hugely affect stability and speed by installing crappy software or changing the wrong settings. So I can understand how they can get such a bad rap as being slow and unstable. In reality, any reasonably tech savvy person can maintain a very smooth and stable Android device that is still very customized. That's a fact based on my observations, so argue all you want but it won't make a difference .
With WP7 and un-jailbroken iPhones, they're pretty hard to mess up and thy're more likely to have consistent performance no matter what you install or what you do to them. In the perfect world, someone could achieve a platform that accomplishes both goals, for now you have to choose what matters most to you and accept the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I, too, was torn between WP7 and Android, but it became a pretty clear choice once I realized what I was looking at. My old Tilt was powerful and flexible, but such a pain to use that it was just a really expensive cell phone as I stopped using all the "smart" features. I fancy myself a tinkerer, but when I'm honest with myself, I just don't have time for that any more. So while Android was looking attractive for a bit, I knew I needed something butter-smooth that just worked. I fell in love with Metro when it was unveiled a year ago, and it's just as pretty, intuitive, and functional now that I've got it in my hand.
So, unless you're a power user who needs socket-what-have-you on the Android, Windows Phone 7 should fit the bill and meet your needs - in style. (Can't comment on iPhones; I'm probably the only graphic designer in the world who loathes Macs.)
Also, pick a cross-platform app (Yelp, IMDB, or ANYthing) and read the reviews; the WP7 version of the app is always hailed as the "best" version of the app compared to the Android and iOS versions.
I've always felt that Android is what Windows Mobile would have been if Microsoft had really been serious about it. The two OS's are way more similar than most people are willing to admit. The fact is, if you love WM then you will love Android. Android is the polished cousin of WM.
At its heart, iOS is also very similar to WM, just very highly polished and very locked down. I love the breadth of apps on iOS, and I love my iPod Touch, but the iPhone isn't for me.
I've been very pleasantly surprised by WP7. While WM=Android=iOS, WP7 is totally different. I'm a bit disappointed that it's locked down like iOS, but I totally relate to the Metro interface. I have no regrets with my Samsung Focus, it's a great phone.
My posts are going to sound like broken records but I think people are being overly critical of Windows Phone.
Look how long it took the iPhone to get C&P. It took Android many iterations to get to where it is at now. Android did not start with Bluetooth file transfer, OTA updates, or radio in their first handset.
The problem may be that people went from an established OS in WinMo to Windows Phone expecting it to be upgraded in the areas where it was lacking. Windows Phone was a complete overhaul and rewrite.
Windows Phone will get there. Just do your research and you will get the phone that suits you best. Do not buy a phone banking on future updates and you will save yourself lots of frustration.
I went from WM6 to Android, and it really is the best upgrade if you liked the openness of WM6. It might not come with the polished feel that iPhone and WP7 have, but that's offset by the many choices that you can have.
I can't judge WP7 yet because we haven't seen quite what it can do yet, but regarding iPhones compared to Android: the iPhone is great for if you want to use exactly what apple wants you to (i.e. SMS, keyboard, homescreens, etc.) and if you don't mind not being able to customise. It has a much better selection of apps/games, but more paid than free (although this is slowly changing)
Android comes with customisation, and more possible features (because even the app store in iPhone has restrictions on what apps you can get) but can be unstable or a bit slower because of the customising and multi-tasking (I know iPhone does that too now, but still not on the same level). You can change the keyboard layout, the homescreen (even to match the UI of iPhone or WP7, or something totally different) and all sorts of customised ROMs!
All in all, it's a personal choice. I think WP7 is a good idea if you think the apps and the UI are worth it. It's more of a risk because we haven't seen how well it'll last and catch on. Android is great for if you want the freedom to change anything you want (keyboards, homescreens, etc.). iPhone is great for if you want that stability, and a system that's definitely got the developers' support.
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I went from WM6 to Android, and it really is the best upgrade if you liked the openness of WM6. It might not come with the polished feel that iPhone and WP7 have, but that's offset by the many choices that you can have.
I can't judge WP7 yet because we haven't seen quite what it can do yet, but regarding iPhones compared to Android: the iPhone is great for if you want to use exactly what apple wants you to (i.e. SMS, keyboard, homescreens, etc.) and if you don't mind not being able to customise. It has a much better selection of apps/games, but more paid than free (although this is slowly changing)
Android comes with customisation, and more possible features (because even the app store in iPhone has restrictions on what apps you can get) but can be unstable or a bit slower because of the customising and multi-tasking (I know iPhone does that too now, but still not on the same level). You can change the keyboard layout, the homescreen (even to match the UI of iPhone or WP7, or something totally different) and all sorts of customised ROMs!
All in all, it's a personal choice. I think WP7 is a good idea if you think the apps and the UI are worth it. It's more of a risk because we haven't seen how well it'll last and catch on. Android is great for if you want the freedom to change anything you want (keyboards, homescreens, etc.). iPhone is great for if you want that stability, and a system that's definitely got the developers' support.
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I have HD2, so i had WM 6.5, Android for 6 months and now wp7. I liked the Android customization. Sense, non-sense, changing widgets home-screens... But the true is i prefer the wp7 as it is. I dont feel the need to tweek it and changed it. I never got a 'tweeked' customized experience as good as wp7. And the simplicity of Metro is just great.
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With your signature, I'm not sure how anyone can take you seriously any more...
Anyway, I will say this: When you look at WM6 or Android, I think the old saying applies: With great power comes great responsibility. On both of these platforms there's no question that the user can hugely affect stability and speed by installing crappy software or changing the wrong settings. So I can understand how they can get such a bad rap as being slow and unstable. In reality, any reasonably tech savvy person can maintain a very smooth and stable Android device that is still very customized. That's a fact based on my observations, so argue all you want but it won't make a difference .
With WP7 and un-jailbroken iPhones, they're pretty hard to mess up and thy're more likely to have consistent performance no matter what you install or what you do to them. In the perfect world, someone could achieve a platform that accomplishes both goals, for now you have to choose what matters most to you and accept the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Well, it's got to be hard to completely crap on a phone that for it's time had the best specs out but Samsung did it and did it quite thoroughly.
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
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Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
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my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
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With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .