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10live.com

anybody here ever heard of 10live.com? it's a chinese website that allows you to view movies and tv shows in crystal clear definition....even on EDGE...only problem is it's in chinese....there's an app that you can download over at that you can put install on your phone but again, the controls are in chinese...using it involves a lot of trial and error but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy....would love to hear anybody's opinion of this thing...

There is no "crystal clear" definition for our tiny 320 x 240 pixel screen and definitely not on EDGE!!! There's only so much you can do with the small bandwidth EDGE offers and the relatively small resolution the screen will display.

not misleading anybody...
I can tell you this much...it's a whole lot clearer than Technology's BLU-RAY player( not knockin' ya Tech...I still love the player and use it everyday) or the TCPMP flash video bundle player(which I also love and use all the time)...and besides , I wasn't trying to sell anybody on this thing...I just wanted to know if anybody's heard of it and/or using it and what they thought of it...it has it's limitations...for one thing there's a lot of movies but you don't actually get a chance to choose just any movie or show...you're limited to what they have on site...but it's a lot and it's updated almost all the time...and again...you gotta look through every link to find a movie you want to watch since the titles are in Chinese...

actually....
actually....what I really wanted to know if there's a website like that in English...and how come we don't have anything like that here in the States...

thats why
Because we have legislation that strangles the American people from enjoying anything.

so....
you tried it?? what do you think of it?

naars90 said:
actually....what I really wanted to know if there's a website like that in English...and how come we don't have anything like that here in the States...
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...copyright laws perhaps?

10 Live
It's a great software. I have in both of my Tilt, Blackjack and N95. Great viewing quality and ability to fastward and resume at any point. It's only avaliable in chinese, however it is not that difficult to master it.

Hey,
I tried using Google to translate the page and this is what I came up with as the description:
10LIVE billion from the Shanghai Science and Technology Co., Ltd network of independent development, a cell phone client software for playing audio and video, support online live television, online support feature film programming; have the latest streaming media technology, no waiting, no need to download. More Multi-version landing http://www.10look.com/down.do
10LIVE support cmwap, cmnet wireless streaming media player software! 10 LIVE can be realized in low-speed networks under the condition of smooth wireless streaming video viewing experience!
1. Brand new interface, more rich content collection
2. Built-in programs here, here to watch a one-stop service
3. Automated software upgrades
4. Infinite Playlist
5. For the adjustment and optimization of China's mobile network transmission network
6. To support a variety of networks (including wifi, gprs, edge, Bluetooth)
7. Fluency high
8. High-definition
let me try and get the software

can someone post the link to the software and is it workable at all or it's of no use to us English -speaking peeps?

Here's the .cab. latest version 1.6.1538
it's kinda hard to use at first. with all of the chinese writing and all, but the movies that are english speaking moves. the audio is in english.... but there are chiniese subtitles for them. It runs at abour 15 to 18 fps and rarely buffers, even on edge.

Shouldn't the thread be locked already since the OP leads to a warez site..?

naars90 said:
I can tell you this much...it's a whole lot clearer than Technology's BLU-RAY player( not knockin' ya Tech...I still love the player and use it everyday) or the TCPMP flash video bundle player(which I also love and use all the time)...and besides , I wasn't trying to sell anybody on this thing...I just wanted to know if anybody's heard of it and/or using it and what they thought of it...it has it's limitations...for one thing there's a lot of movies but you don't actually get a chance to choose just any movie or show...you're limited to what they have on site...but it's a lot and it's updated almost all the time...and again...you gotta look through every link to find a movie you want to watch since the titles are in Chinese...
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Guy I know where you are coming from, first of all, you are talking about DEFINITION Mobile Video, a ultra clear stream, because of what they have in their stream signal. That why I dont argue with the mind that say, Oh this phone is a 320x240 resolution, like setting a LIMITATION on a LCD screen.(LOL) That because they don't know, if you know something that that they don't, then it cannot be true.(LOL) Here is my favorite DEFINITION mobile entertainment website {IN ENGLISH} with super ultra clear video resolution, http://mobile.ardcorp.tv. The video is ultra super clear because of what's in the video stream signal,{Ultimate Codecs} now see will it set ANY limitation on your 320x240 screen LCD, but you already know that it will not, because you said that it better than my Blue-ray Screen Video Player and you are correct(LOL), because it's a DEFINITION video stream. Their will be more DEFINITION website in the future, take care enjoy Saturn Liberty...............!

Hiya Tech...been to the saturn liberty website but...it's no good if you're not on a wireless connection...too much buffering and choppy video...unless you know a setting that makes it smoother...would love to hear from you....btw...any luck on humyo.com?

Wifi Or 3g Only
naars90 said:
Hiya Tech...been to the saturn liberty website but...it's no good if you're not on a wireless connection...too much buffering and choppy video...unless you know a setting that makes it smoother...would love to hear from you....btw...any luck on humyo.com?
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Sorry guy, I forgot to tell you that it only works on wifi or 3g. They play up to date movies, super DEFINITION crystal video resolution on your 320X240 LCD screen DVD/HD/Blu-ray like quality on the real side, check it out when you can................!

10live
Got everything working, you were right, DEFINITION TV...............!

lol...good to know you got it...! beautiful, isn't it?

Beautiful, Lots Of Good Movies
naars90 said:
lol...good to know you got it...! beautiful, isn't it?
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I was watching a comedy earlier with Marvin Lawrence, yes very beautiful. PM me your e-mail address and I will send you a Master Codecs Pack 2 with instructions, plus *Windows Media player Codecs for 6.1 mobile devices.....!

Saturn Liberty Digital Definition TV
Below are a few photos of what Saturn Liberty Digital Definition TV looks like at http://mobile.ardcorp.tv..........!:D

10live Video Movie Player 4 Smartphones And PocketPC
You can get the 10live video movie player here http://www.mediafire.com/?zqwtgmjnjg0 and you will have to learn how to play the movies from the square blocks. it's very easy, then you will have access to a lot of good movies most are in English. Get you a good BT headset and popcorn, enjoy.........!

Youtube app question

How do I set HQ videos to be the default videos? Right now, if I want to watch the videos in decent quality, I have to click on a video then press Menu, More and then Watch in HQ (hassle!)
Also, why can't I watch Vevo videos???
(p.s not sure whether this issue is unique to Desire but since I am using Desire, I thought it would be somewhat appropriate to post here since some of you might know how to solve this)

im guessing you already looked for settings of it somewhere in the app?
if theres no settins then i reckon it depends on the connection quality, but wait for a confirmation from users who actually have the phone

cez10 said:
im guessing you already looked for settings of it somewhere in the app?
if theres no settins then i reckon it depends on the connection quality, but wait for a confirmation from users who actually have the phone
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Yeah I checked Setting but there is no option to set the default video quality to HQ
And it's not really about the connection quality I think coz I do have the option to "watch in HQ" and the buffering time is not that different. I tried using Wi-fi as well and still, the videos are not in HQ by default

Is Youtube the best place to play music videos? Is there any other app which can play music videos faster (by not using the wireless)?

Do I need to flasha stock ROM for Smooth Video playback and TV out?

I got my TP2 a few days ago and already had a custom ROM (EnergyROM Sense 2.5 Cookie + dinik glass May 31) waiting to be flashed before I even got the phone.
Yesterday I flashed the phone after reading the great noobs guide a few dozen times.
Flash went perfectly and the new ROM kicks the crap out of the stock 6.5 (obviously).
Then late last night, I decided to test Video playback by copying 2 random vids to the SD card on my phone.
(Both vids are Divx (.avi), one is 624x352 res and the other was similar resolution).
The SD is a Transcend 8GB Class 6.
Both videos were a complete slideshow in core player (built into ROM). Probably 5fps in the 'small screen' and maybe 1 frame every 3 seconds in full screen!
This was the first time I have felt dissapointed with my new phone. My previous phone (Samsung Jet) played these same vids super smooth. (I know its 800mhz vs 538 etc).
After doing a fair bit of searching/reading this morning I have learned that temporarily disabling sense SHOULD help ( I will try ASAP tonight) and I can use a script for auto disable/enabling of sense. But people who used this fix didnt report framerates half as bad as mine so I'm not too hopeful on that.
Even worse is that I read that TV-out is screwed on ALL custom ROMs except maybe Valkyrie. Is that still the case??? I cant test this as my TV-out cable still hasnt arrived.
Smooth video and TV-out are two of the MAIN reasons I bought a TP2 AND the Jet before it.
AM I GOING TO HAVE TO FLASH A STOCK HTC 6.5 ROM TO GET SMOOTH VIDEO PLAYBACK AND TVOUT?
I hope thats not the case because in every other respect this energyROM has been a pleasure to use. Eyecandy and customisation are EXACTLY what i was hoping for as is the improved performance/speed. Please dont tell me I cant use this ROM.
ANY help on this would be GREATLY appreciated.
I HAVE searched, I HAVE read the FAQ
Also one quick question
Neither vid would even start in WMP. Is that just a case of missing codecs? Whats the best codec pack for these ROMS?
Thanks in advance.

short answer. NO.
Use coreplayer to play divx etc. You have to play around for the correct settings. Then you can watch your movies smooth. Search for some tutorials. The tv-out will work BUT, the quality is poor.

Thanks for the reply Lennyz1988.
I'll keep looking for tweaks and tutorials re: coreplayer....no luck so far, cant seem to find anything.
As for the TV out being poor quality....I'm devastated to hear that.
There are a couple of TP2 tvout demos on youtube and the framerate and resolution looks great (on a 42inch plasma).
Whats the deal with that, is the TVout quality better on stock rom?
Also just found a very strange quirk with my problem.
I just tried playing both vids again and both played much smoother in fullscreen than they did last night (still only ~10fps though).
So then I open up task manager and kill 3 apps that were running (file explorer, comm manager and I forgot the 3rd)....
After closing these and trying the vids again it was back to 1 frame every few seconds in full screen mode!
How can I get worse performance with less apps running in background?? that just doesnt make sense...does it?
Now I'm really stumped.
Gonna try the mortscript to disable sense as soon as I can....fingers crossed.
Thanks for your help Lenny,
cheers

I agree that if you are getting poorer playback on the Energy than the stock ROM, you just need to tweak the Core settings.
This is what I did: In TCPMP, go to Option>Video and select GDI. I forget what the default burned into the EnergyROM is, but I think it was Direct Draw, which was incredibly stuttery. Changing to GDI made the playback smooth on most videos for me. Some videos (probably higher res ones) will still stutter/freeze. But most of what I play works great, and MUCH better then it did on my phones stock ROM.

well... after playing around with some settings in TCPMP the framerate has improved from 0fps to around 10fps (guess), but obviously thats still pretty unwatchable.
In TCPMP I went to options>video, and changed the driver from Drirect Draw.
Raw Framebuffer runs at ~10fps but with bad tearing.
GDI runs at ~12fps with no tearing.
I tried all other options with no luck. I havnt tried any buffer settings yet in TCPMP or WinMo.....Got any suggestions for buffer sizes?
One setting that did give DirectDraw the same performance as GDI was to disable "Use Device stretching for blitting".
I have no idea what this does though so it doesnt help me when it comes to gaining some more fps.
Just gotta find that mortscript to try now and see if that helps too.
Any help on any of this would be greatly appreciated. I AM trying to find the answers for myself but Im having no luck.

only just saw your reply redpoint, lol. Thanks for that though.
I'm still only getting low framerates with GDI though, lower than you get by the sounds of it.... and this is only with a ~170mb Simpsons episode @624x352 resolution.
There must be another setting I need to tweak, somewhere. Hopefully the script to disable sense will give an acceptable framerate.
Thanks for your help.
PS... Is WMP not worth trying? Where can I get codecs for it? any searches for codecs keep coming up with links to coreplayer.

You should use Qtv in Coreplayer. The playback will mostly be good but not 100% of the time.

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You should use Qtv in Coreplayer. The playback will mostly be good but not 100% of the time.
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Qtv is not available on the version of TCPMP that is cooked into the Energy ROMs. And using Qtv when I was on the stock ROM had tearing down the middle of the screen constantly, that was not watchable for me.

doh! so thats why I cant find any mention of qtv in TCPMP.
Can someone PLEASE do me a big favour?
Point me in the direction of the mortscript which shuts down TF3d/sense while coreplayer is running and then re-enables it when CP closes?
I cant find it anywhere and Ive spent the last hour trying.
Does this scrupt exist? I read about it earlier - was it just speculation/ wishful thinking?
Anyone know where to find this script

Here are my buffering settings that I am currently using. No real reasoning here, just trial and error. And its something I always seem to be messing with, just to see if I can get it a bit better.
Normal buffer size: 4992
Preload at underrun: 5%
Preload for audio: 128kb
Microdrive unchecked.
Make sure you different videos from different sources. Some (a minority) videos will stutter and freeze no matter what. But most of the TV shows and movies I've obtained from "sources" on the internet play fine on Core.
Don't feel alone that you are confused by the Core settings. I was searching around, and found a post on the Core official forums, and it basically said that their documentation is terrible, even for the pay version, and it something they are working on. So there is no official documentation explaining the setting options, and not much better info on the internet from users, aside from trial and error experiences. Pretty much most users have no idea what many of the options even mean.
And no, WMP is not worth trying. Codecs are pretty non-existant. And even for formats which are compatible, the playback is usually not watchable. Most everyone on these forums and elsewhere will tell you Core is the best player on WM.

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doh! so thats why I cant find any mention of qtv in TCPMP.
Can someone PLEASE do me a big favour?
Point me in the direction of the mortscript which shuts down TF3d/sense while coreplayer is running and then re-enables it when CP closes?
I cant find it anywhere and Ive spent the last hour trying.
Does this scrupt exist? I read about it earlier - was it just speculation/ wishful thinking?
Anyone know where to find this script
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I can't help you as far as the script. But what I can say is that some users will swear that unloading TF3D/Sense got them better Core performance. But I tried this on the stock ROM (unloading TF3D), and it made zero difference to Coreplayer performance.

Thanks for the help peeps.
Just tried those buffer settings and it did seem to help slightly....will play around with those some more.
And yeah, I'm gonna try a whole load of vids tonight see if there is a encode configuration which plays smoothly.
I'd even be willing to convert my movies (from similar sources to what you probably use, redpoint) if I can find the right encoding settings for good framerate and reasonable resolution.
If you have any suggestions for a good converter and some good encode settings, I'd love to hear them
I still REALLY want to try coreplayer with sense disabled.
Anyone know where to find that script please?
I notice that CHTEditor restarts Sense when it applies changes, Is there any way to use the editor to shut down Sense and then let me start it after playing a movie?
Failing that...
IS THERE A SIMPLE WAY TO TEMPORARILY DISABLE SENSE?
What about video drivers? Is it worth updating them or does the latest energyROM come with the latest and greatest drivers included?
Sorry for all the questions people. I just really want to get this playing smoothly and its driving me nuts
Thanks again for all your help.

Well... I couldnt find the script I was talking about but I did find one for the HD2 which disables sense while Youtube is running (Created by 'HJ200' here on XDA).
Code:
regWriteDword HKLM, Software\Microsoft\Today\Items\HTC Sense, Enabled, 0
RedrawToday
Rotate(270)
RunWait "\Windows\YouTube.exe"
Rotate(0)
regWriteDword HKLM, Software\Microsoft\Today\Items\HTC Sense, Enabled, 1
RedrawToday
Exit
So i simply changed the RunWait so that it waits for TCPMP.
Ran the script and I get the warning about disabling SENSE, I click OK and nothing happens
It doesnt shut sense down like TCHEditor does.
Can any of you coders/devs tell me why it doesnt shut sense down?
Or can someone please tell me a simple way to temp disable sense?
Come on guys, Im trying Ive spent all day on this and I'm getting nowhere fast lol.
If I can try playing vids with sense disabled then I can rule that out (or not) and move on to something else

I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.

fishel said:
I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.
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yeah, I'm pretty much ready to give up on it too
Looks like I might have to buy a cheap Portable media player that takes a micro/sd card, even if only for decent TV-out.
I'll definitely try encoding to "ipod touch" standards though.
What do you use to encode? Are the settings basically .mp4 @ 480x320?
Ive tried half a dozen different divx files now and all are slow/stuttery. Some are better than others tho as redpoint pointed out.
I also found a few semi-interesting things out.
On the files that play 'resonably' well, lowering the volume to 0 seems to help quite a bit (good for buster keaton movies? lol)...indicating a sound driver or codec issue?
Also, in the buffer settings of TCPMP....
Setting the "preload at underrun" to 1% seems to help quite a bit with some files, especially the ones which were helped by the volume=0 thing.
Setting the "Normal Buffer Size" to 5120 and the "preload for audio" to 192 SEEMED to help all videos VERY SLIGHTLY.
I'll try encoding with ipod touch settings and see what its like, but I'm guessing that resolution will look horrible stretched to 42" making the TVout almost useless? Gutted.
Can anyone tell me how to disable sense please? Once I try that and the re-encodes, I give up
Cheers fishel

fishel said:
I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.
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With CORE player select GDI it was VERY choppy. I selected QTv and it plays ultra smooth. This is a youtube Avatar HD trailer btw. My normal video files on the card play smooth too as long as I get the right enconding..which I am still trying to figure out.

Lennyz1988 said:
The tv-out will work BUT, the quality is poor.
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thesweeney said:
As for the TV out being poor quality....I'm devastated to hear that.
There are a couple of TP2 tvout demos on youtube and the framerate and resolution looks great (on a 42inch plasma).
Whats the deal with that, is the TVout quality better on stock rom?
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Very surprised to hear that...
I use the TV-out functionality on my Touch Pro 2 quite a bit. The quality is excellent for things like presentations and pretty good for videos when using the built in album to play them. The setup I'm using is the 2.07.401.1 stock ROM with PAL output via the official HTC store TV-out cable.

by built in players I mean the windows media player or the HTC player (by Photos and Videos) and it plays great, I never tried video out.
You disable sense by un-checking sense in the item tab in the today icon in settings and choosing "windows Default", (or anything) instead.

Well first of all I'm an idiot When I was mentioning coreplayer earlier, I was actually talking about TCPMP... I didnt even realise there was a difference lol.
So now I have aquired coreplayer with mixed results
QTV seems to help on some videos and doesnt seem any quicker than GDI on others.
The only thing is... I tried one vid which has AC3 audio and of course coreplayer gives me a codec error. But it lets me play the file with video only and it runs SMOOTH AS SILK.
Benchmarking gives around 150% on this file compared to ~60% on most of the others ive tried.
So I'm guessing this is mainly (soley?) down to the greatly reduced total bitrate (looking at the benchmark results).
SO...COULD THIS POINT TO A PROBLEM WITH MY SD CARD?? OR EVEN A PROBLEM WITH THE SD DRIVERS ON THE TP2???
My SD card is a transcend class 6 so I doubt that is the problem.
The only thing I'd like to test now is An AC3 codec for coreplayer and/or a QTV plugin for TCPMP.
Anyone know if either of those exist?
Searches turn up nothing.
Thanks for that fishel! Tried tcpmp without TF3d and there was very little or no difference.
Was worth trying anyway.
Chazco, I'm glad to hear that about the TV-OUT. But It will be useless for me unless I can get a smoother framerate on some vids.
Looks like I'll just have to start converting my movies....
either that or try a stock rom
Bad times.
Thanks for all the help anyway peeps.
I'm off to try and get TomTom working instead....maybe that will cheer me up

[Q] good alternative to the video player?

Hi,
i was wondering if anybody knows a good alternative to the default video player on the desire HD.
I'm not expecting Dolby/SRS support since no player except for the default player seems to have that but are there any that apart from showing a name can play continuously (start at a selected video and just keep going) or better yet can play continuously wile shuffling through the available video's?
i have about 140 music video's on my desire HD and it's just annoying to have to select the next one every time and well... no shuffle.
real player seemed promising since u can just jump to the next video manually before the one your watching ends but that feature doesn't seem to work... at least not yet.
i did check google first but all i got was topic's from 2008...
-anubis

I have tried several to date and have found them all to be disappointing to be frank. They may or may not remember the position in the video you are watching or they distort the screen or they have a clunky interface.
I've been using Rock player for the last few days and it is guilty of all three listed above.
I would be interested to hear of something that delivers:
Video position memory
Multiple format support
Sensible zoom/re-size modes
Sleek interface

I have bneen using vplayer and it seems quite nice, can't comment on the issued mentioned above but I shall do some research and get back to you.

I'm using vplayer beta 4, changed to pay version after this and only time limited trial for b5 forwards. Works great plays all formats resizes well to screen and saves location when file stopped. Had much more consistent results than with rockplayer and streams fine with quick seeking from twonky media server without needing to transcode.

i tried vplayer,
i loved the gesture's for the player, but was not to fond of the file browser and it cant play next video
but i also found mvideo player,
which has a excellent browser (just looks a bit more... modern) has good gesture's (still kind of prefer vplayer's) but can play the next video after the current one ends
not perfect but a lot better then the default.. apart from the no dolby (it makes a HUGE difference on my in-ear headphone's) but the pro's outweigh the con's so it's my new video player until the default one is worth a damn.
ow and it also has excellent scaling.

FRX07/ Android/ or player issue? Playing .mp4/.mkv movies

I have dl/ed Soul Player and Mvideo player to attempt to watch some of my movies, the movies play just fine in WinMo. I notice the movies (those that will load) will just do nothing, they do not give an error that the file can not play but they also do not play at all However the time does countdown on the file as though it is playing the file (like it will say 5 seconds into the movie). If I move the scroll bar the screen will show that particular frame then be stuck on that frame.
am i missing something, there doesn't appear to be a stock movie player with android.
this affects multiple movies btw and the quality is fine in winmo..

There isn't a 'stock' movie player that I know of.
This is expected behavior (if you will). The codecs in Android do not make full use of the hardware for whatever reason - hyc has pushed the libs a little farther than they are capable of currently, but he was never able to match WinMo... We're still missing something on the Android side of things.
HQ YouTube has this same issue - seems videos above a certain resolution do not play nice. I'll have to do some searching to find hyc's posts on this topic, something you should've already done...

I got a large number of hits on it when I searched the issue but nothing providing an explanation similar to what you have stated, I suppose I will just continue viewing videos in winmo then.
Thanks for the assistance!

MDavisiw said:
I got a large number of hits on it when I searched the issue but nothing providing an explanation similar to what you have stated, I suppose I will just continue viewing videos in winmo then.
Thanks for the assistance!
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Found hyc's post after a couple minutes of searching.
Searching and reading isn't easy or simple, I don't pretend that it is. Just an essential part of working with any open source project.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13834432&postcount=28
That post basically summarizes the conundrum we have with video playback in Android.