Oh no! ANOTHER 'Help with GPS' Thread (NO DATA PLAN - forget aGPS!) - Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development

Look, trust me....I HATE to be this guy. Making a post about needing to get help with GPS, because I know there are a million resources out there. Well, I have read the million resources, and guess what...I still have a phone w/o GPS. I will wait 10 minutes, 30 minutes....can't even see one satellite, much less get a lock.
So, I have a XV6900 with NO DATA PLAN, so aGPS is out the window, so there's no need to do this...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix
I have done all the steps here about three times over, and followed the instructions perfectly wit no results...
http://wiki.ppchaven.com/index.php?title=Pocket_PC_WIki:FIX_VERIZON_GPS
I used to have a TouchPro, and I used to have a Titan, so I have been around the block a few times, and gotten GPS working with one try on those old devices, however, now I have a piece of junk XV6900 (got brand new from Verizon last weekend) and it is GPS-dead, no matter what I try (even the SAME steps that work for most other people it seems).
So, please help me get this thing working - new ideas please. Do not recommend those two links above, or stuff like not letting customizations run...that is all child's play stuff that is common sense to do, and I have done them already 3 or 4 times over with no sucessful results.
Thanks everyone.

I did the Wiki thing to with no sucess. THen I did this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533639
Worked for me!

Similarly, I have tried the suggested steps with no success. My next question is how to tell if GPS is enabled? When I use GPS view, I can run a scan and it detects GPS on COM Port 4...does that mean that it is enabled, but I just have a terrible signal so it just isn't hooking up...and my issue is elseware, because it never gets a lock? And like you, I don't have a data plan, so another question is...is the work really worth it? I downloaded maps off of MGMaps, so I have street maps, but if I don't buy a program or use a data connection, is all the reflashing and testing worth the effort? I've worked on this long enough that I'm beginning to think that spending $150 on a seperate GPS unit may be worth it. I'm all for a good challenge, so I may keep at it, but at some point I have to ask the question. Any thoughts?

eiger06 said:
Similarly, I have tried the suggested steps with no success. My next question is how to tell if GPS is enabled? When I use GPS view, I can run a scan and it detects GPS on COM Port 4...does that mean that it is enabled, but I just have a terrible signal so it just isn't hooking up...and my issue is elseware, because it never gets a lock? And like you, I don't have a data plan, so another question is...is the work really worth it? I downloaded maps off of MGMaps, so I have street maps, but if I don't buy a program or use a data connection, is all the reflashing and testing worth the effort? I've worked on this long enough that I'm beginning to think that spending $150 on a seperate GPS unit may be worth it. I'm all for a good challenge, so I may keep at it, but at some point I have to ask the question. Any thoughts?
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Well, the TomTom program itself is free, they just charge you for the maps. Yes, the entire USA and Canada maps are upwards of $100, but you can just get it by region to, like Southwest, or Northweast, etc...and thos only cost about $20
I have TomTom with all the USA/Canada maps, and that way no data connection is required. In my opinion, programs that use the data connection like Google Maps are worthless...I mean why wants their bandwidth being maxed out the entire time they are driving or using their GPS just to download map images? Makes more sense to use a program that has everything referenced on a SD card if you ask me, like TomTom does
-C

jadesdan said:
I did the Wiki thing to with no sucess. THen I did this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533639
Worked for me!
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but do you have a data plan?

i had the same problem as you people. try different software. the only thing that works for me without data is IGO8, after i load it and it locks i can switch to any software that has maps built in.

crobs808 said:
Look, trust me....I HATE to be this guy. Making a post about needing to get help with GPS, because I know there are a million resources out there. Well, I have read the million resources, and guess what...I still have a phone w/o GPS. I will wait 10 minutes, 30 minutes....can't even see one satellite, much less get a lock.
So, I have a XV6900 with NO DATA PLAN, so aGPS is out the window, so there's no need to do this...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix
I have done all the steps here about three times over, and followed the instructions perfectly wit no results...
http://wiki.ppchaven.com/index.php?title=Pocket_PC_WIki:FIX_VERIZON_GPS
I used to have a TouchPro, and I used to have a Titan, so I have been around the block a few times, and gotten GPS working with one try on those old devices, however, now I have a piece of junk XV6900 (got brand new from Verizon last weekend) and it is GPS-dead, no matter what I try (even the SAME steps that work for most other people it seems).
So, please help me get this thing working - new ideas please. Do not recommend those two links above, or stuff like not letting customizations run...that is all child's play stuff that is common sense to do, and I have done them already 3 or 4 times over with no sucessful results.
Thanks everyone.
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have tried the link below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533639
One thing to check is you device info. My PRI Version is 1.37_002. Saw a thread where someone had higher PRI version & that might be an issue. I can't find the thread at the moment.
Are you using a custom ROM? I recommend NFSFAN's.

WORKING with PRI 2.01_002
jadesse said:
have tried the link below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533639
One thing to check is you device info. My PRI Version is 1.37_002. Saw a thread where someone had higher PRI version & that might be an issue. I can't find the thread at the moment.
Are you using a custom ROM? I recommend NFSFAN's.
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I ended up getting everything working right off the bat once I exchanged my XV6900 for a new one. I did the EXACT same steps, so it was the old phone causing issues.
Now, on this new one I have...
PRI: 2.01_002
PRL: 58002
Radio: 3.42.30
ROM: NFSFAN 1.15 VZW (WM6.1)
I get GPS locks anywhere from 30 seconds to 60 seconds. I do NOT have to prime the GPS, I just start TomTom, and it sees my internal GPS just fine
-C

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Free GPS Software

Hi All
I don't know if someone already posted this but i thought i post it anyway. I searched for a easy 2 use GPS Application with good maps and free.
I found this.
http://www.amazegps.com/welcome.php?language=international
I installed it and it worked really good for me. It found all the directions i was searching for and it worked also really good on the street. The "GUI" is easy 2 understand and simple to use.
Check it Out and Have fun with it.
Has anyone tried this? Sounds almost too good to be true?!
Well ive isntalled it, it works,
going to test on the way home this eve and ill post later......
Bloke
Same - It looks like it's a bit like Google Maps, and runs by downloading images. Not sure about voices.. we'll see!
Ive tryed it and it works really good
GPS
nhudgell said:
Has anyone tried this? Sounds almost too good to be true?!
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Hi
I tried alot of stuff and i have to say honestly that this is the best thing if you dont wanna pay for it.
I tried , tom tom, Navigon and others. But im not willing to pay 300 Swiss franks in my case for something i can get free.
Have fun with it
I tried it out today, seemed to work, finds locations well in the database..
But It got me lost on my first try
Will try it again though, looks promising for a free solutions.
Bloke
I used it as my primary navigation on my N95 8GB and currently use it on my Diamond2. Works great. They are working on a version so you can download maps offline. Because now it downloads the route through your connection. Using the arrow mode its very / unnoticeable data amount, but using maps might add up a little.
elmalote said:
I used it as my primary navigation on my N95 8GB and currently use it on my Diamond2. Works great. They are working on a version so you can download maps offline. Because now it downloads the route through your connection. Using the arrow mode its very / unnoticeable data amount, but using maps might add up a little.
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Hi
Thanks for that information. I tried it yesterday to drive 2 my parents in another city and it worked really perfect.
But the idea its really good. Good to know.
Regards
bloke said:
I tried it out today, seemed to work, finds locations well in the database..
But It got me lost on my first try
Will try it again though, looks promising for a free solutions.
Bloke
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Hi
What you mean by "But It got me lost on my first try" ?
Regards
"There is no such thing as a free lunch."
So it needs to be connected to GPRS on the move?
maradona said:
Hi
What you mean by "But It got me lost on my first try" ?
Regards
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I got lost, it took me to the wrong place, then kept recalculating, I think it was slow to update...
Ive been recently updating my rom to 6.5 and it didnt work initially,
Now ive reinstalled it so will try this evening ;-)
Bloke
Can the route, once setup (ie start and destination input and a route plotted), be altered??
I'd like to set waypoints, and then adjust the route around known traffic spots, or along roads I particularly want to go one, then have the instructions fed to me by voice.
Google maps on the web allows this - but not the google-mobile version, and I know it's possible on the "paid for" navigation softwares.
malsing maps
tell me if someone got malsing map for this software. where i can download malsing maps?
Tried it again this afternoon , goin from slough to Egham, and worked really well, you need to change the view to the map with arrows option to get a good idea of where you are going, arrows alone done really work too well,
But as a free option, this is pretty good ;-)
Bloke
It works good with my HTC6800, but when i use it for my HD, after exit the program, the system always error.... then i need to restart it, but if i use the HOME key to exit, then press the right corner to exit, its good...
I have downloaded this software and it looks to be working, yet to use on the open road,
Which WM6 version did you go for?
Communication Problem!
Has anyone who lives in Asia try this? It shows "communication problem" after I launches it. Help Please

Just bought a TP2 on Ebay!

It is with the official ROM. I'm still playing around with it. I liked so far. But, I'm having problem with the GPS. IGO/Navigon doesn't detected there is built-in GPS. Google Maps activated the GPS and locked sats thur active sync with no problem. I do not have/use data plan on my phone. For starter how do I enabled or configure the GPS, right now its set to Manage GPS automatically (recommended)?
I thought GPS uses a data plan, but regardless, make sure that you have location set to on,
Settings > system > location settings
burtonsnow8 said:
I thought GPS uses a data plan, but regardless, make sure that you have location set to on,
Settings > system > location settings
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I don't have location settings on my phone in Settings > system >
keno7777 said:
I don't have location settings on my phone in Settings > system >
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if you are still in TF3D there should be an option in the settings tab as well.
burtonsnow8 said:
I thought GPS uses a data plan
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Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
dik23 said:
Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
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I am not mental, but GPS is global positioning system. it uses satellites to track your devices location, but it still has to send that information to you.
I should be more clear...GPS can be accessed w/out data, but that doesn't do any good. You need programs like google maps etc which download the map onto ur phone. Thats great you can see your lattitude longitude but it doesn't do anything for you unless you are a damn navigator for a cruise ship.
burtonsnow8 said:
I am not mental, but GPS is global positioning system. it uses satellites to track your devices location, but it still has to send that information to you.
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OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !
LMAO !! This deservers a Picard Face Palm http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr290/usshorizonkitty/picard-facepalm.jpg
dik23 said:
OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
LMAO !!
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Yes I use google maps...and as such everytime i loaded it I saw my data being accessed because it had to load maps. I'm just trying to save this guy his money in case he thinks using google maps is going to be free.
Satnav....no thanks:
"Woman runs for her life after satnav leads her into path of a train". ... "BMW left teetering on 100ft cliff edge after sat-nav directs driver up steep"
needless to say you need to purchase most programs that will have the maps on ur phone.
SatNav is like Google maps for people who want to drive.
dik23 said:
OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !
LMAO !! This deservers a Picard Face Palm http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...d-facepalm.jpg
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dik23 said:
Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
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Easy there super chief!!
Some GPS-enabled apps do indeed require a data connection to communicate with servers in addition to the satellite-sourced signal they receive. If the esteemed Mr Snow here hadn't ever used any apps that don't require this, it's not a grand leap of logic for him to have the impression that it's always necessary. An incorrect impression to be sure, but still not as jaw-dropping as you imply.
Either way, wrong or right, there's no need to be so harsh...your sanctimony is unwarranted here.
One word
Google
sirphunkee said:
Easy there super chief!!
Some GPS-enabled apps do indeed require a data connection to communicate with servers in addition to the satellite-sourced signal they receive. If the esteemed Mr Snow here hadn't ever used any apps that don't require this, it's not a grand leap of logic for him to have the impression that it's always necessary. An incorrect impression to be sure, but still not as jaw-dropping as you imply.
Either way, wrong or right, there's no need to be so harsh...your sanctimony is unwarranted here.
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i've sent him my thoughts as well, but thank you for the bit of sanity on the forums.
as well, thank you for presenting the information in a manner that makes it readable and understandable.
Sorry - but if you insist on getting it wrong ...
Just trying to make sure the man's not getting twisted idea of what's going on
dik23 said:
Sorry - but if you insist on getting it wrong ...
Just trying to make sure the man's not getting twisted idea of what's going on
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I don't insist on getting it wrong, I wanted someone to explain to me like sirphunkee did the situation. I did not want to be belittled publicly by you. There is a big difference in how the information was presented, which in turn affects how other people view and absorb it.
But you did get it wrong !
Anyway, I refer you to post #7 in this thread
"It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !"
How clear would you like it ?
Only trying to help
dik23 said:
But you did get it wrong !
Anyway, I refer you to post #7 in this thread
"It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !"
How clear would you like it ?
Only trying to help
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Dude, it's not your message, it's your delivery.
Here...try this:
"Actually, while some GPS apps do require a data connection, sat-nav and many other apps don't...they just have the data they need stored locally. So, the OP could still get use out of his GPS w/o a data connection, as long as he uses the right app(s)"
See...? It cleared the point up (your stated purpose), without the disrespectful tone. Regardless of how you percieve the person, there's ways you talk to strangers in public forums...and ways you don't.
Since you're so fond of Google, here's two for you to look up:
"tact"
"couth"
I think it's more important to get the facts right, my friend.
What do we want here ? A board full of people telling each other things that aren't true or a source of information ?
I use Google all the time to search for answers to problems that I encounter in various situations. It's not good to repeatedly read page after page of threads from random forums only to get to the end and have no conclusion. I would much rather have the truth quickly and concisely than a bunch of people commenting about things they know nothing about. No matter how it's delivered. How about you ?
PS I'm glad you've now figured out what ROM stands for lol
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I think it's more important to get the facts right, my friend.
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Nobody said getting the facts right had to suffer in the name of common decency...or are you saying you're incapable of being correct and civil?
You imply that you treat others this way because you see no reason not to...but to what end? Who does it benefit?
We're not asking you to abandon your grand quest for truth, light and clarity...just to not devalue the same populace you seek to serve so nobly.
I was trying to make sure that the person who posted originally got the message and was in no way trying to degrade that person.
In fact I'd also like to point that person towards the following thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
It has some useful GPS tweaks. However it's also a sticky and so I'd like to suggest that answers to questions should be searched for first. It's very unlikely, esp with a device that's been about over 6 months like this one has, that you'll be the first to encounter any problem or situation. Otherwise we end up with thread after thread discussing the same thing over and over. And what good is that ?
Not that long ago I went on thread after thread showing people that mobilespeedtest.com gives erroneous results. It was unbelievable. Lots of people were being lead to believe total rubbish. There was thread after thread of this rubbish.
What is there to be gained getting things wrong ?
Sorry guys I didn't mean this to be a debate. Thanks dik23. I will take a look at the following thread.
dik23 said:
I was trying to make sure that the person who posted originally got the message and was in no way trying to degrade that person.
In fact I'd also like to point that person towards the following thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
It has some useful GPS tweaks. However it's also a sticky and so I'd like to suggest that answers to questions should be searched for first. It's very unlikely, esp with a device that's been about over 6 months like this one has, that you'll be the first to encounter any problem or situation. Otherwise we end up with thread after thread discussing the same thing over and over. And what good is that ?
Not that long ago I went on thread after thread showing people that mobilespeedtest.com gives erroneous results. It was unbelievable. Lots of people were being lead to believe total rubbish. There was thread after thread of this rubbish.
What is there to be gained getting things wrong ?
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Kaiser 110 problems

Greetings all --
I am posting this request for help because I've exhausted just about every other resource. The community support and documentation is great and I have learned quite a bit in a matter of days. You all are great!
Here's my situation. I have the HTC 8900 (KAIS110). Not the 8925 like most seem to have. It is my understanding that 3 versions of the "Kaiser" were made, or at least submitted to FCC for approval, and that the 8900 was to go to AT&T (branded on phone), but was canceled in lieu of the 8925. This is the non-camera version.
For reference, the following information is listed in the battery compartment:
HTC 8900
KAIS110
FCC ID: NM8KS
SKU: 64760
P/N: 99HCY091-00
Made in Taiwan
Currently:
HardSPL 3.56
Radio: 1.71.09.01
Myn's Warm Donut RLS5
kallt_kaffe's kernel 2010-06-06 (kaiser/240x320/donut/panel 2/tilt options used in LoserSkaters NBH Editor)
Problems:
1. Installing OS (Sys+Data on NAND), dmesg output shows "Block 711 is bad". Under normal circumstances, this wouldn't be a problem as the OS would remap to a new block. This could also be an issue with yaffs, or a few other things, and not even be bad. But the question remains, is this causing problems?
2. Attempting to run Calibrate Screen results in error with the following message: "The application Calibrate Screen (process org.isageek.dasbrennen.CalibrateScreen) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. [Force close]". I have not seen a recent post in response to whether this problem persists with all builds, or if I am just lucky like that.
3. GPS does not want to play nice. From the app store, I install GPS by Andrea Baccega. Sometimes I get a single satellite to display, once I saw 3 on screen. Unfortunately, none of the other fields (long/lat) were populated which tells me something is wrong.
Dmesg output:
GPS:env_mask=0
GPS:date=00002000
GPS:time=000000 hlat=0 llat=0 hlng=0 llng=0
GPS:speed=0 bearing=0
GPS: has been tickled!
4. Using the phone on T-Mobile, why can I not get 3G working? It keeps going back to EDGE. I have the Android data plan as well.
5. Voice search is quite flaky. Sometimes it works great once, maybe a few times in a row, and then it just stops working and presents me with the Try Again / Cancel screen, after which, there is no longer audio for phone calls. From what I can tell using Dev Tools, looks like VoiceSearch is hanging due to an issue with Mediaserver. I recall seeing this issue, or a similar one, surface in the forums but there was not much information pertaining to it that I could find.
6. The following errors appear in the dmesg output; I am posting the list just in case one or more messages are beyond the scope of normal operations:
mmc1: host does not support reading read-only switch. assuming ite-enable.
Init: cannot open '/initlogo.rle'
[RR] ERROR no local ept for prog 02000031 replying anyway!!
audio_enable()
audpp: DMA missed
audio timer expired
audio_disable()
audmgr: DISABLED
binder: send failed reply for transaction 5448 to 149:221
7. As stated above, this phone lacks a camera. The slot where the camera goes, just has a cover over it. Looks like I should be able to pop a replacement in the spot. Anyone know the part number of the rear camera, or where I might find one? I can only seem to locate the front-camera on various web sites.
Thanks all!
1. bad blocks are common, yaffs reports them, and marks them as unusable, they have no effect on running Android, ( one of my kais130's has about 10 bad blocks, works fine).
2. Thats normal also, not sure if calibration app has ever worked, although i think there is a console based one that does, never had to use it though.
3. GPS may or may not work properly depending on a number of factors, which build and NBH are used, also which gps software is used also, best combo I have found so far are the Kallt_Kaffe NBH's and Myn's warm Eclair, with GPS test (free or pro). Also note that initial fixes take some time, up to, or over 5 minutes, depending on conditions, etc.
4. Not sure, could be a number of factors again, build, local 3G coverage, APN setup, etc.
5. Never used voice search, but it is known to be pretty flakey, again build plays a large part.
6. I know that there are normally errors on boot, the audio ones are not normal however, could be due to using an older radio, or perhaps some rare kais110 issue, can't actually recall anyone reporting issues with kais110 hardware.
7. Not sure if it's possible to just add a rear camera, it'll depend if the supporting electronics were fitted to allow it to work or not, also unsure where to look for one, although you may be able to get a part number off the service manuals, ( should be in the xda-wiki pages ).
TMobile and AT&T use different 3G frequencies, so an AT&T phone such as your won't do 3G on TMobile. The EDGE will work fine, but slow of course.
purpleonyx said:
3. GPS does not want to play nice. From the app store, I install GPS by Andrea Baccega. Sometimes I get a single satellite to display, once I saw 3 on screen. Unfortunately, none of the other fields (long/lat) were populated which tells me something is wrong.
Dmesg output:
GPS:env_mask=0
GPS:date=00002000
GPS:time=000000 hlat=0 llat=0 hlng=0 llng=0
GPS:speed=0 bearing=0
GPS: has been tickled!
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Use GPS Test (chartcross ltd), free version from Market. Configure it to not turn off display (keep it from going to sleep). Plug in a charger (if you wan to) and leave it near a window.
Within 5-10 minutes you should have a fix. After that, getting a fix normally happens within seconds. Depending on how much time has passed since you last used your GPS and also the distance you moved it while having it turned off also affects the time to get a fix.
Also blocking the top of the phone with your hand is not a good idea as it seems to be an effective way of blocking the GPS signals.
kallt_kaffe said:
Use GPS Test (chartcross ltd), free version from Market. Configure it to not turn off display (keep it from going to sleep). Plug in a charger (if you wan to) and leave it near a window.
Within 5-10 minutes you should have a fix. After that, getting a fix normally happens within seconds. Depending on how much time has passed since you last used your GPS and also the distance you moved it while having it turned off also affects the time to get a fix.
Also blocking the top of the phone with your hand is not a good idea as it seems to be an effective way of blocking the GPS signals.
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Thanks for the response -- I had tried that over the past 2 nights, but it never took. It just did however, during the day, which is odd. I also switched to a 1.64.08.21 version of the radio today, and it worked. Previous attempts were under 1.71.09.01, 1.70.19.09 and 1.70.18.02 that resulted in failure. Odd.
Is there a way to view all roms installed, for everything? OS, kernel, radio, splash/boot, etc? I am wondering if something got hung up during flashing, or something didnt get wiped out.
Thanks!
purpleonyx said:
Thanks for the response -- I have done this several times (left it going for 10+ hrs at the max time), and it picks up 4-5 satellites, but nothing ever occurs. It sits there with the yellow light, and all of the numbers show in the 20's to very low 30's, which seems like it's a very weak signal, or a high signal/noise ratio. Could this be a radio issue?
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20-30 actually should be enough. Anything above 40 is excellent and not seen very often. And I'm using the same Radio so that should be the problem. Don't know really. Does it work in WinMo?
kallt_kaffe said:
20-30 actually should be enough. Anything above 40 is excellent and not seen very often. And I'm using the same Radio so that should be the problem. Don't know really. Does it work in WinMo?
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I had no problem working under winmo before i flashed android to nand. It had no delay in picking it up either. I just rebooted the phone and launched google navigator, and it's taking forever again, searching for gps it says.
If you want to use me as a guinea pig, feel free. I ended up ordering the nokia n900, as i need something working now. I am considering keeping the kaiser 110 to screw around with though. It would make a good backup device anyways. I tried Myn's Warm Eclair on it, but it dragged its legs and had too many problems. Myn's Warm Donut however, functions near perfectly and is quite fast. I've oc'd the processor to 450 MHz which provides a noticeable speed boost. I'm using your latest 2010.06.06 kernel with it. I've been questioning whether or not display 2 and 3 are the same on this model -- sure behaves the same.
-update: Phone comes to a crawl, and then locks up when GPS is used. Both the GPS Test and Google Nav.

bing maps almost got it right, any fix?

sounds ridiculous but i just updated my focus to mango on monday. for the longest time my home pc would not update it, kept giving different error codes each time. i had to replace my original phone with an ATT refurbished one and so i just assumed in the refurbishing process this "new" phone was FUBAR with updates. anyway someone recommended trying another PC, so i used my netbook to no avail and then my work laptop with great success. mango is awesome!
anyway, i love how bing maps will read directions through bluetooth in my car, but i am a little irritated that it won't continue to read the directions until i get to my destination? it will just read the direction i click on and the one after it, but then say "thank you, goodbye" and will stop giving directions. i have to manually go into bing maps again and click on the direction i want to be read to me. just curious if anyone has gotten it to read all the directions until you get to the new location without touching your phone? i notice you can go through a text message conversation without touching your phone via bluetooth, so it would be nice if you could do that with maps also.
Nope, that is the way it was designed to "work" (despite it being an illegal activity in many areas). There is nothing you can do about it, short of buying a real GPS nav system from the marketplace.
Question, Why wasn't this an issue with WM? As crapy as WM was the Maps app worked flawlessly and makes this new one look like crap. Just trying to understand I guess at to why it wasn't an issue before but it is now. It is kind of dangerous to have to tap and look at the screen to see where your going.

[DEV] Lets fix the GPS once and for all

I started investigating this in sbrissen's AOSP JB thread when I was running Alpha 5 (Awesome ROM btw). In the interest of not hijacking/derailing this thread, I think it is time we finally figure out why in the world our phone's GPS is so flaky. The solution is almost assuredly in software.
Items of note:
Modem - Our devices GPS is housed within the Qualcomm QSC6085 silicon. Within there, according to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343072 indicates that we have a pretty powerful SiRFStarIV chip. Thus, flashing new modems can affect our interaction with the GPS chip.
Additionally, the aforementioned thread indicates the AGPS is not used on our phone.
I've confirmed that AGPS is not used on our phone via the following logcat:
Code:
D/GPSD ( 1767): load_xtra_bin: buf_len 50000
E/GPSD ( 1767): load_xtra_bin: open /data/gps/xtra.bin failed. Permission denied.
E/GPSD ( 1767): No cached xtra.bin. request to download new binary.
Perhaps with enough digging, we can find where our GPS gets stuck.
-GP
(FYI: Getting a fix on a GB ROM and then immediately flashing is not the solution. At best, the ARM Cortex M3 that operates our baseband, must store data in its own cache since it was recently accessed.)
Update: We have evidence that, in order to save costs on the SPH-D710, the SurfStarIV was removed and our AP (Exynos 4210) handles all GPS duties.
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Update 01/23/2013:
First off, I'm sorry for the lack of communication. Second off, I wish I had better news. To respond to a lot of the posts in the thread... this development is all but dead for a couple reasons:
1. IDA Pro is >$1000. IDA Free is free, but doesn't support ARM. I've been using IDA Pro Evaluation, but it only allows a certain amount of use before exiting and does not allow me to save my IDB files (Files that contain refactoring, comments, and changes). I dealt with it for a while, but it is extremely cumbersome to try and deal with while reversing an application of this size.
2. Despite the fact that it would be neat for us to completely understand the modem, it is unlikely that the modem image is directly related to our problem. Our phone has the Qualcomm QSC8085 CDMA Baseband processor. The modem.bin contains, in essence, a completely separate OS that runs in real time all the time (Commonly referred to as an RTOS or Real Time Operating System).
This OS has a lot of responsibilities such as tower negotiations and handoffs, maintaining account information with Sprint, among other things. It likely interfaces with a data buffer that is handled, in part, by the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) which is part of the Android Kernel. Aside from that, it is unknown everything else that the radio has access/control over.
With all of this in mind, it is *possible* that it has some manner of control over the GPS; however, the extent is unclear. Given that we can wipe the EFS partition, flash new Radio Images, and reprovision our phone with virtually no effect on GPS, we can conclude that the problem is unlikely to reside in this image.
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There are a couple things to consider:
1. Based on all of the above data, it is possible/likely that a small portion of flash memory (Perhaps SRAM (Synchronous RAM) - very small, very fast, very expensive, used for processor cache) is located on the die of the Qualcomm chip that stores data. Because this storage is not accessible to us (Though perhaps the radio OS has access in some way) it persists across data wipes. This would explain why a lock achieved on a TW based ROM will persist across flashes.
2. If we assume the above conclusion has any merit, it is possible/likely that the GPS Daemon or a similar closed source driver packaged with the kernel is not working entirely as expected. It would be very prudent to look into some of these closed source binaries and see what information could be extracted from them; however, they are, ARM binaries and would run into the same obstacles as I outlined above.
3. The tweaks and applications (ie: GPS Status, AngryGPS) that are so widely spread around our forums, while they are useful in optimizing a currently operational GPS, they will NOT/NOT suddenly make a GPS begin to work (This is not meant as a slight to those developers publishing the tweaks. They are, I'm sure, excellent developers who have found fantastic ways to optimize/tweak the functionality of various functions).
When flashing these tweaks, it is important to remember that you are dealing with an extremely complex piece of electronics with many shifting variables. In other words, coincidences happen. A bug fix is only truly a bug fix if it works consistently over a wide set of cases.
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If there is enough developer interest (ie: ONLY those who have significant assembly language or RE experience) and if someone can come up with another way of disassembling ARM binaries, PM me and we can entertain a group effort over a few files that may yield some results.
-Gamingphreek
Edit: Just thought of this... objdump is not a viable disassembler for a binary of this size/complexity. Refactoring and Cross Referencing is all but a necessity.
I wiped and flashed the latest CM9 Nightly. While the first lock took a few minutes, all subsequent locks have been nearly instantaneous.
While JB vs ICS may make this weird, I'm going to look at the diffs over the relevant files. I'd be particularly interest to see the results of a bdiff (Binary Diff) of the GPS Driver across different ROMs.
I used qualcomms qpst program and checked an extra setting under the gps tab and i get almost instant locks. You go through the steps like you are going to manually update a prl but stop at the click roam tab and scroll over to the gps tab. I will have to look in the morning at exactly what the box was that i checked. I did this about a month ago and i have faster locks than ive ever had with any phone.
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dohchp said:
I used qualcomms qpst program and checked an extra setting under the gps tab and i get almost instant locks. You go through the steps like you are going to manually update a prl but stop at the click roam tab and scroll over to the gps tab. I will have to look in the morning at exactly what the box was that i checked. I did this about a month ago and i have faster locks than ive ever had with any phone.
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Please keep us updated with that program.
Another quick question for discussion. Are quick alterations to the gps.conf likely to make any significant changes, or is it all placebo?
After reading through the thread referenced in the OP I found the app mentioned on page 4. Even after i changed my build prop to GT-9100 the app GPS control SiRF refused to work. I emailed the developer to see what tweaks he is using underneath to enable the sleep mode on our SiRF IV gps chip. I'm awaiting feedback and will share any info the we might be able to apply into the Gps lib or through direct ways
dohchp said:
I used qualcomms qpst program and checked an extra setting under the gps tab and i get almost instant locks. You go through the steps like you are going to manually update a prl but stop at the click roam tab and scroll over to the gps tab. I will have to look in the morning at exactly what the box was that i checked. I did this about a month ago and i have faster locks than ive ever had with any phone.
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Where did you get this software from? I'm desperate to improve my GPS in anyway possible.
I'M NOT YELLING said:
Where did you get this software from? I'm desperate to improve my GPS in anyway possible.
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Refer to this thread.
dohchp said:
I used qualcomms qpst program and checked an extra setting under the gps tab and i get almost instant locks. You go through the steps like you are going to manually update a prl but stop at the click roam tab and scroll over to the gps tab. I will have to look in the morning at exactly what the box was that i checked. I did this about a month ago and i have faster locks than ive ever had with any phone.
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ok the information that Dohchp posted got me thinking so I started following what he did. However once to the GPS screen only the top box was selected and I had no clue what the rest meant so I searched and besides finding out what each thing means I found this site with a guide for blackberries. I decided what the heck I'll try before the hack it took 82 seconds to lock here in northern Idaho with mountains all around after the hack it took 17 seconds.
http://bbsoftware.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/9/3/1793039/gps_limitations_pdf.pdf
I take no credit for this since all I did was a little research. I have only had this on my phone for about 5 minutes now and will continue to test it out. if you screw up your phone that is your fault for not reading enough before doing stuff to it. If you are afraid to screw up your phone then don't mess with it.
Update: disabled GPS waited a few minutes turned it back on locked in 16s got 9 sats was only getting 4 sats before the modification
Not sure that is matters but I am using Calk's 3.0 GB rom and like Bigt2003's post below me I have been using Faster Fix from the market. However even with that I was getting the times I posted here in the valley.
update: 45 minutes after the mod. While standing in the yard I enabled the gps and had a lock in 24s. I then walked into my apartment to it's closest to center location and ,not surprising, Imidiately lost all satilites gaining them back with in 16s of moving back outside. Probably to much info but better to have too much than not enough.
Update: after just a few hours with the GPS left on but not mapping software running my lock is taking just as long as it did before 81s to lock all locks after that are sub 20s but that is after it's initial lock. So this method is a bust unless a slight variation of the settings changes something. There were no ill effects to doing this that I noticed.
Don't know if it will help but I'm just reporting what worked for me. I'm using phantom's alpha 4.3 (jb) and I couldn't get a lock for over an hour. I had no satellites showing in GPS Status. I used Faster Fix from the market and set the location North America. I rebooted and locked on to 7/8 in 12 seconds. It may not be a technical repair, but it worked for me.
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All you did was enable all the gps features?
dohchp said:
I used qualcomms qpst program and checked an extra setting under the gps tab and i get almost instant locks. You go through the steps like you are going to manually update a prl but stop at the click roam tab and scroll over to the gps tab. I will have to look in the morning at exactly what the box was that i checked. I did this about a month ago and i have faster locks than ive ever had with any phone.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
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calisro said:
All you did was enable all the gps features?
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Enabled and the info to the right as well the Ip address and such. I made it so that when I read from the phone It matched the screen from the guide exactly.
I must point out that once written to the phone, the phone will reboot. As is generally the case the GPS locks very fast right after a reboot, at least for me, so all this could just be that and not actually doing a thing to resolve the issue of getting a lock hours or days later.
I had read the sirf gps chip was removed in the sph-D710 to save money and only uses the built in exynos chip for gps.
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rocket321 said:
I had read the sirf gps chip was removed in the sph-D710 to save money and only uses the built in exynos chip for gps.
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you are possibly correct about the chip since we don't have the sirfgps.conf in /etc that is in the international S2. Guess I'll start looking for a link showing it was in fact removed or not.
Update: It appears that Rocket321 may be correct after just a few hours my locks are taking just as long as before to get the initial lock. 81s so this possible solution is in fact not a solution.
Nannuq said:
ok the information that Dohchp posted got me thinking so I started following what he did. However once to the GPS screen only the top box was selected and I had no clue what the rest meant so I searched and besides finding out what each thing means I found this site with a guide for blackberries. I decided what the heck I'll try before the hack it took 82 seconds to lock here in northern Idaho with mountains all around after the hack it took 17 seconds.
http://bbsoftware.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/9/3/1793039/gps_limitations_pdf.pdf
I take no credit for this since all I did was a little research. I have only had this on my phone for about 5 minutes now and will continue to test it out. if you screw up your phone that is your fault for not reading enough before doing stuff to it. If you are afraid to screw up your phone then don't mess with it.
Update: disabled GPS waited a few minutes turned it back on locked in 16s got 9 sats was only getting 4 sats before the modification
Not sure that is matters but I am using Calk's 3.0 GB rom and like Bigt2003's post below me I have been using Faster Fix from the market. However even with that I was getting the times I posted here in the valley.
update: 45 minutes after the mod. While standing in the yard I enabled the gps and had a lock in 24s. I then walked into my apartment to it's closest to center location and ,not surprising, Imidiately lost all satilites gaining them back with in 16s of moving back outside. Probably to much info but better to have too much than not enough.
Update: after just a few hours with the GPS left on but not mapping software running my lock is taking just as long as it did before 81s to lock all locks after that are sub 20s but that is after it's initial lock. So this method is a bust unless a slight variation of the settings changes something. There were no ill effects to doing this that I noticed.
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Good news on my end. I wasn't even getting a lock in CM10, at all, before this method. Mobile Odin'd back to EL29 and with that Blackberry guide I checked all the boxes in the gpsOne box, but I didn't enter in the IP or PDE port number. Flashed back to CM10 and had a lock in what I believe was the fastest I've had with this phone, ever (under 30 seconds). Accuracy was only up to 30-100 meters, though. I'll update this post again tomorrow with how goes the next lock.
I think we need to distinguish between the "GPS problems"we have.
Problem A is a GPS that doesn't lock at all.
Problem B is GPS that locks after a reboot but after idling for a long time, GPS becomes non functional. A reboot however typically fixes this.
I have problem B for example. However, after lashing Dark_Knight's_GPS_Fix, I've had really good luck with GPS. I even get locks after extended periods and even indoors at time. Accuracy is typically around 4-6M with 8+ satellites.
Link: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep.../183562-mod-fix-gps-dark_knights_gps_fix.html
Anyone else run that fix? Thoughts?
puch0021 said:
I think we need to distinguish between the "GPS problems"we have.
Problem A is a GPS that doesn't lock at all.
Problem B is GPS that locks after a reboot but after idling for a long time, GPS becomes non functional. A reboot however typically fixes this.
I have problem B for example. However, after lashing Dark_Knight's_GPS_Fix, I've had really good luck with GPS. I even get locks after extended periods and even indoors at time. Accuracy is typically around 4-6M with 8+ satellites.
Link: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep.../183562-mod-fix-gps-dark_knights_gps_fix.html
Anyone else run that fix? Thoughts?
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I'd take caution flashing anything he made as he was found out to be a hack and a thief. He was banned and all his threads locked.
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puch0021 said:
I think we need to distinguish between the "GPS problems"we have.
Problem A is a GPS that doesn't lock at all.
Problem B is GPS that locks after a reboot but after idling for a long time, GPS becomes non functional. A reboot however typically fixes this.
I have problem B for example. However, after lashing Dark_Knight's_GPS_Fix, I've had really good luck with GPS. I even get locks after extended periods and even indoors at time. Accuracy is typically around 4-6M with 8+ satellites.
Link: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep.../183562-mod-fix-gps-dark_knights_gps_fix.html
Anyone else run that fix? Thoughts?
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seems PLACEBO to me.
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I'd take caution flashing anything he made as he was found out to be a hack and a thief. He was banned and all his threads locked.
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what he hack and steal? LOL
I'M NOT YELLING said:
Good news on my end. I wasn't even getting a lock in CM10, at all, before this method. Mobile Odin'd back to EL29 and with that Blackberry guide I checked all the boxes in the gpsOne box, but I didn't enter in the IP or PDE port number. Flashed back to CM10 and had a lock in what I believe was the fastest I've had with this phone, ever (under 30 seconds). Accuracy was only up to 30-100 meters, though. I'll update this post again tomorrow with how goes the next lock.
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Eh, woke up, went outside for a lock and didn't get anything at all. Just like it was before. Sigh.
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Eh, woke up, went outside for a lock and didn't get anything at all. Just like it was before. Sigh.
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I have the exact same issues. I've tried fasterfix and both gps fixes that have been posted on these boards. Have not had any success. I can get a GPS fix after maybe 5 minutes OUSTIDE with NO trees or buildings nearby. Once it locks in, if I move, I lose the signal again.
If I stand still the sats will slowly drop off and I'll be lost again. I took it to sprint and then wouldn't look at it until it's back to unrooted stock. That's my next move.

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