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Is it just me or are we getting a lot more trolls lately?

Hi, First let me say that I love this site and have learned massive amounts of stuff by reading and searching and the occasional question.
I have noticed lately that the number of people who have been members for 2 weeks and have 1700 posts is rapidly increasing. I also see a lot more posts like:
"yeah I think my bro had a progam like that once whre you had to move thing diffrnt LOL maybe LOL "
and
"yeah that would be so cool if someone could do that, too bad i don't know how to program LOL "
and surely a lot more posts getting jacked by flame-wars and outright trolls. I know that this is somewhat inevitable when a site like XDA offers so much. IT will get hugely popular and sooner or later the AOL'ers arrive and turn it to ****e. I really, really hope that doesn't happen to my favourite site...but it kind of feels like it's starting to go that way....is there anything to be done? Some kind of flag on people who get senior member status within 6 hours of joining? Some kind of age-verification system before allowing new members? Some kind of post-filtering algorithm that auto deletes any post with more than 5 smiley's and two LOL's in it??
Seriously though, maybe I'm being a jerk, but does anyone else notice this lately? Any thoughts?

Hello mlalahoi.
As you can see by the 'Join Date' on the top right of my post I have been here a while.
Yes this forum used to be different but it also used to be a lot smaller.
But word of unofficial WM upgrades, iPhone themes and free unlockers travels fast.
Combined with the growth in popularity of HTC it self and WM OS in general the number of users on this site has increased significantly in the past 1.5 years or so.
The administration of this site strives to keep it as free and accessible as it always was so instead of limiting user registration they increased the number of moderators to cope with the onslaught of junk posts that inevitably accompanies the increase in user base.
But we still can't catch every post, specially in general forums where there can be as many as 3 pages of new threads per day.
This is where you and other users who care about this site come in. In the top right corner of every post there is a '!' button.
You can use it to report posts that are offensive, wrong or plain SPAM. The moderators will get a notification with a link to the post and will take appropriate action.
Lets all keep the forum clean together!

thats a good point to be raised. one has to flip so many pages just to view some serious and productive comments.

help
why is it that i try to download but get an attachment.htm file that doesnt open but my desktop or where eve i save it

xda27 said:
why is it that i try to download but get an attachment.htm file that doesnt open but my desktop or where eve i save it
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Probably (a) you're either using a download manager (don't) or using 'save as' (don't) or (b) you've posted this question in the wrong thread by the way (i.e. it should have its own thread I think).
Disable any download managers. Free Download Manager is one that I use and makes this mistake on attachments if I let it.
Sorry for the semi-sarcasm - wasn't a genuine flame mate. Enjoy the attachments, very important part of the site.
(Oh, look - my posts just went up by one!! )

Hi mlalahoi i do agree i joind when i first got my hermesthanks to my teachcher showing me the wounders of XDA-Dev and I essecialy agree with the silly posts that flood xda....
XDA statuses are not something to flash off (even though i carnt wait to upgrade )
What i dont agree with is this:
mlalahoi said:
Some kind of age-verification system before allowing new members?
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Im not as old as others on this website but XDA has inspired me to try C+ programming everything...
I can agree that it is probibly the young population that causing the flood... but not all of us are alike!

Couldn't agree more with this thread. I am among those who might soon attract derision from some of you true 'senior' members. I recently joined and I am happy to say that all but 4 of my posts have been helping other members. Of the 4, 2 were questions and 2 were comments. But I would hardly say I am even close to being senior in my knowledge, yet here I am getting awfully close on post count alone.
But since I have joined and taken an active interest in the titan pages where a lot of work is going on at the moment, I have seen at least 10 ppl become senior members by asking dumb questions and making completely erroneous advice that in some cases could almost brick a device - all in name of their beloved post count.
For an interested novice (but definitely not a noob) like myself I would welcome a ranking system whereby you could see the seniority of a poster not by their post count but by their reputation for actually helping others or doing useful development.
At ppcgeeks they have a system whereby you can vote for ('rep') a post or poster to indicate if it was useful or just drivel. This way you have a more democratic system than just relying on the poor overworked moderators to do the filtering. These 'rep' votes increase your reputation as a useful poster.
It's very unlikely this system could be abused because you can't 'rep' yourself. This would really weed out the trolls.

Rank a post, Rank a poster
maccaberry said:
. . . I would welcome a ranking system whereby you could see the seniority of a poster not by their post count but by their reputation for actually helping others or doing useful development.
At ppcgeeks they have a system whereby you can vote for ('rep') a post or poster to indicate if it was useful or just drivel. This way you have a more democratic system than just relying on the poor overworked moderators to do the filtering. These 'rep' votes increase your reputation as a useful poster.
It's very unlikely this system could be abused because you can't 'rep' yourself. This would really weed out the trolls.
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This seems like a great idea! I wonder if this forum's software has this feature available . . . ?
Edit: I just checked out the ppcgeeks forums - another nice feature is Multiquote - really slick way to respond to 2 or more posts at once, rather than having to cut and paste like here.

TouchXperience - Anyone willing to participate in new website life?

Hi!
I am currently working on a new version of TouchXperience website where I will try to keep you frequently updated about project progress and releases. The new website is community-oriented so if you have any questions, suggestions, or if you would like to contribute in my projects, you are free to take part in forum or wiki. Support will be maintained on TouchXperience forum in the future.
As you know I don't have a lot of free time (and a free PC at the moment) to care of TouchXperience project and website, and I have limited knowledge in website content/forum/wiki management, so I would be glad if some of you were willing to help me. But I'm looking for serious/professional people, to moderate forums, to help users and post frequently asked questions,... everything you want to contribute in TouchXperience website life! The best would be if you have good knowledge in CMS, webdesign, forum/wiki management that could help me to improve website.
Thank you in advance!

ready to help
i'm a bussy man too! but in afternoons and nights i'm online so I can support your forum with my experiences.
i'm already there !!!
gretz!

nice page, well idea with forum
im in

I wouldn't mind giving a bit of my time, I can help with:
*FAQ management
*Posting answers to questions
*Writing articles for wikis ect
*General forum stuff
Give me a shout if you want to talk it over more
Im also an admin on Touch-innovation, and im sure we would love to help promote your work even more

me!!!!
got enough experience on all faculties - cms (joomla - as ur site is built on that!), wiki, forum... and integrating all of them!
.... if u need proof of what i am doing currently... just send me a pm!

Schaps, I wish I could help but I am not familiar with any of that stuff. However, I do want to say the site is looking good! And I think this new interactive site is a GREAT idea. TWO THUMBS UP FOR SCHAPS!

I'm in..
I can help what I knew as well as post suggestions/question.

oops
I tried to go to your website while at work. I went to thetouchexperience.com which happens to be an adult sex toy.

ricrellim said:
I tried to go to your website while at work. I went to thetouchexperience.com which happens to be an adult sex toy.
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Sorry buddy, if you love porn this is not the site. Schap's is www.touchxperience.com not the one you mentioned.

Nice joomla
Count me in ... I'll work with Veyka to update stuff there if you wish. Even though I won't be doing any testing my self don't like touchflo/animation/etc on a hermes screen with edges!

Php and and MySql skills. Not too much time available but let's do it!!
Nico

For the record I was not trying to promote the other site. I was simply trying to prevent someone from making the same mistake at work as I did. Thanks for the real address.

I'm curious... What's wrong with the XDA-Developers wiki & forums?
Why do you feel the need to split off from XDA dev to somewhere else?

CRCinAU said:
I'm curious... What's wrong with the XDA-Developers wiki & forums?
Why do you feel the need to split off from XDA dev to somewhere else?
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Well on the last thread there were a lot of blathering jackasses that were making stupid posts *****ing at each other and *****ing about how long the development is taking which pissed everybody off and eventually got the thread closed. This seems to be the newest and only TouchXperience thread?
-P.S. Schaps, count me in to help with the new site.

fredline12002 said:
Well on the last thread there were a lot of blathering jackasses that were making stupid posts *****ing at each other and *****ing about how long the development is taking which pissed everybody off and eventually got the thread closed.
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That's what the triangle with the exclamation mark is made for, so one can report such posts for the moderators to take care of.

I can help with Forum and SEO

I´m a webdesigner and systemadministrator, i would be happy if i could help you with your project

fredline12002 said:
Well on the last thread there were a lot of blathering jackasses that were making stupid posts *****ing at each other and *****ing about how long the development is taking which pissed everybody off and eventually got the thread closed. This seems to be the newest and only TouchXperience thread?
-P.S. Schaps, count me in to help with the new site.
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However, all this will mean is that the blathering jackasses will then be blathering on a different forum? I guess I fail to see the benefits... lol

Hell yeah
Count me in...
You can contact me in PM
- Forum moderation
- Updating site

CRCinAU said:
However, all this will mean is that the blathering jackasses will then be blathering on a different forum? I guess I fail to see the benefits... lol
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lol I guess we'll see and hope for the best?

A Plead to the members of XDA..

As a member of XDA i am proud that there is a place where people, ideas and developers can come together to work out problems and create new, better, faster software.
I love the ideas and the creations here, but i am somewhat tired of the negativity and "flaming" going on in some of the forums. Specifically Samsung Galaxy forums, with each passing day/week there is an exponentially increasing amount of NEW THREADS, pretty much dedicated to venting anger at the phone's manufacturer. While some claims do have merit (crappy GPS), other complaints are ill-researched, (samsung to blame for not releasing froyo, how did rogers release it to me?).
There was even a "Supposed" samsung rep. SamsungJohn, who reached out to the captivate community on the behalf of Samsung. (once again supposedly) If he was in fact from samsung he received the WORST welcome from the community, he was badgered and hammered with anger before given a chance to explain what his goal/role here was. In a recent post it was referred to him "stepping on the XDA hornets nest". Honestly it looked more like a forum full of angry 10 year olds, although to be COMPLETELY FAIR, 99% of the members "flaming" (to SamsungJohn or in other posts) ARE NOT DEVELOPERS OR PROGRAMMERS just bored people that feel XDA is a good place to vent anger. IT IS NOT.
If you have actual hardware problems with your phone, flood the manufacturers forum NOT OURS! If they had as many complaint posts as we do on a public forum they wouldn't be able to deny any issues exist, you could link to them, they would be right there, ON THEIR SITE.
I love my phone, for any flaws it has, any other phone will have another, sometimes we can fix it here, sometimes we cant. It is understandable in this day and age that many times products are rushed out the door and moved on to the next. Its the world we live in today. Accept it or check out..
Please remember XDA is a place to come together for ideas and working out problems NOT NEEDLESSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM!!!

Speak my man!Perhaps that is the most right opinion I've seen on the forums!
PS:Love your PC setup dude!If it had a 69xxHD ATi it would be my dream machine!

Peace, love, harmony. Everyone, repeat. Hehe.
There will always be flaming. We have pretty diligent moderators that find the offending members and take proper action. Everyone can help out here just by being nice to one another. This is a community. A community benefits when its citizens are helpful, friendly, and contributive.

Well said! The forum needs more people to be constructive in their postings rather than petulant and needy.

This OP should have his post stickied in all the galaxy S forums IMO.

mputtr said:
This OP should have his post stickied in all the galaxy S forums IMO.
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if i was a moderator or web dev of this site the message would pop up, and you would have to agree before veiwing the forums!

I know its been getting bad. But they have stepped up and got more moderators. So it will get better. Plus all the new devices that keep getting added. So much for everyone to keeo up with. Thats why as you know the report post is there. Helps alot.

@OP, I couldn't agree more with you, with the recent influx of new users into XDA via their new purchases and nearly everyone owning a smartphone we will have to adapt to them and their misconceptions of what XDA is. Although they may misunderstand what we are about we are always trying to show them what our roots were and still are today. We try to keep it under control to the best of out abilities, but with a ratio of moderators to members being 40:1,000,000 it can be an uphill battle at times. Thanks for sharing your opinion and we hope to improve down the road.

yes, i have been using the "REPORT" button, on an increasing basis.
is there by any chance at least a single moderator dedicated to each phone, with experience with that device to know what is un-related/ garbage information/threads.
also some threads deserve deletion rather than closing. just wasting space with usually no information what-soever

Trusselo said:
yes, i have been using the "REPORT" button, on an increasing basis.
is there by any chance at least a single moderator dedicated to each phone, with experience with that device to know what is un-related/ garbage information/threads.
also some threads deserve deletion rather than closing. just wasting space with usually no information what-soever
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yep, we have this in place. They are called Forum Specific Moderators, and have a title like
"HTC XYZ Forum Moderator"
They are responsible for a small number of forums, to try and spot this stuff

Im not sure if i have come across my "captivate" mod, is there any easy way to find the mod for your forum? could an easy way be added? link in each phone's forum? (for issues PM...)

Trusselo said:
Im not sure if i have come across my "captivate" mod, is there any easy way to find the mod for your forum? could an easy way be added? link in each phone's forum? (for issues PM...)
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Yep, though it seems the assigned mod for your forum was recently promoted, and therefore there is no "assigned" mod right now. When you get one, their name will appear at the lower right of any of the general/dev subforums.

pulser_g2 said:
Yep, though it seems the assigned mod for your forum was recently promoted, and therefore there is no "assigned" mod right now. When you get one, their name will appear at the lower right of any of the general/dev subforums.
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well that explains a lot
Hopefully we get a new mod soon!
Herp Derp Captivate XDA

Even with the influx of immature morons, this place is still two thousand times more coherent and mature than any iPhone modification related forum.
I swear, all I see over on those boards are a bunch of people crying and cursing and yelling and making threats because jailbreaks and unlocks are slow to release.

I am loving your new member posts, very informative and a great way to get informed about this site!

Agreement
I completely agree with you man.
I think we need two things,
First of all, people who respect the earth and its benefits.
And secondly, some respectful people who watch and guide people who don't know the value of being beneficial and so respectful, one by one.
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I really consist with this oppinion that an improved society just can born and keep on by everyone's usefull endeavour. In the other word a wise intellectual man/woman cann't grow up and even say a little bit of his/her knowledge in a tidy palce.
So, be in the way and enjoy your home.
Hopping success and enhancement.

I could not agree with you more.
Sent from my GT-S5360 using XDA

This is the truest thing in the world. Been happening a lot on my devices forum, the flaming amongst members and devs.
It just shouldn't happen

I have noticed that in the Galaxy Tab Forum, It must the target demographic that the device attracts as owners. I Joke obviously, I don't want to attract any unwanted attention
I think XDA suffers a little bit from how big it is. It's probably before a lot of manufacturers sites on search result for what ever normal people type into Google and with 4.5 million members you're going to attract a wide cross section of humanity......There might even be some women on here Nah There's no women on the internet.
Speaking of XDA being a place of coming together and solving problems, let me throw a couple out there
Maybe there should stop new members creating threads on any forum.... drill it home to use the site properly. I think slatedroid or one of the forums focused towards the more "exotic" Android devices does that. Frustrating though that might be it will make people think is it really worth the effort, You could measure a members "dedication" by not only post but visit frequency and what types of posts they view, so even if they feel they cannot help with replies they still get to post eventually. Although that last sentence makes XDA sound like a bit of a cult.
That would probably have stop me from posting my first though (Ironically a Samsung Galaxy Tab external SDCard booting method) but you win some/you lose some
In Fact If you want to get a little more draconian. you could introduce perma-bans for all sorts of minor indiscretions such as anyone who post the words "vs" In a thread title as we don't really need another thread about who's dog barks the loudest, anyone complaining about lack of support from the manufacturer, there are more but they escape me now
So in summary. PermaBan The Lot Of Em'

trevd said:
I have noticed that in the Galaxy Tab Forum, It must the target demographic that the device attracts as owners. I Joke obviously, I don't want to attrach any unwanted attention
I think XDA suffers a little bit from how big it is. It's probably before a lot of manufacturers sites on search result for what ever normal people type into Google and with 4.5 million members you're going to attract a wide cross section of humanity......There might even be some women on here Nah There's no women on the internet.
Speaking of XDA being a place of coming together and solving problems, let me throw a couple out there
Maybe there should stop new members creating threads on any forum.... drill it home to use the site properly. I think slatedroid or one of the forums focused towards the more "exotic" Android devices does that. Frustrating though that might be it will make people think is it really worth the effort, You could measure a members "dedication" by not only post but visit frequency and what types of posts they view, so even if they feel they cannot help with replies they still get to post eventually. Although that last sentence makes XDA sound like a bit of a cult.
That would probably have stop me from posting my first though (Ironically a Samsung Galaxy Tab external SDCard booting method) but you win some/you lose some
In Fact If you want to get a little more draconian. you could introduce perma-bans for all sorts of minor indiscretions such as anyone who post the words "vs" In a thread title as we don't really need another thread about who's dog barks the loudest, anyone complaining about lack of support from the manufacturer, there are more but they escape me now
So in summary. PermaBan The Lot Of Em'
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Hi, I am new to XDA, and I just wanted to express my admiration of your ideas, as well as to the OP, truly a superb insight.
Idea: There should be a demarcation of topics and subforums known as the Noob forums. Unless and until you contribute something OTHER than a post (eg, a ROM, theme, or hack perhaps), you remain in the Noob forums.
Good idea?
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Dealing With New Users

This idea came about from a discussion, in the old requests to mods & admins thread, about dealing with new users across this site.
When I say dealing with new users, I mean how you respond to either posts where the user clearly hasn't searched, the user has done something they shouldn't have done etc etc.
Some users will simply report the members post and leave it down to the moderators to deal with. Some will respond with sarcasm/trolling/flaming. Some will simply give the person the correct information and mention nothing about what they've done wrong and others, like me, may feel the need to rant away at some users.
With me, if someone has done something they shouldn't have done, I won't ever report it. I'll only report a post if it's something serious like racism or illegal content. I'll generally give tell the person nicely what it is they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.
Obviously, doing so won't always work and the new member will continue doing wrong. I'll then PM the member and explain it to them fully away from public view.
However, if I come across a situation where a user has done wrong, and after being told so numerous times even by different people, that's when I'll step in and rant at them. My rants are never harsh and can never be mistaken for such. I simply tell them what they've done wrong and what they should've done, but I write it in such a way where it makes it seem angrier and makes the message sink in.
I'm interested to know what others opinions are on this and how you personally deal with such situations.
I already know that if moderators drop by in here, they'll probably say it's best to use the report feature but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions anyway

what i try to do is tell them as nicely as i can (not really that nice, but i don't flame) where they're wrong. i do realize mods are busy and i avoid reporting until i've given the new member at least a warning. i do report immediately when the issue is serious (ie: spamming in dev threads, warez, etc.).
Sent from my rooted tomato using xda app

I try to point out their mistakes. Then I explain (nicely) that xxx shouldn't have done yyyy. It doesn't hurt to be well-mannered. The member usually realizes his/her mistake and (tries to at least) never repeats it, hopefully.

I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Great idea for a thread. I saw a very good post by FallenSpartan that really helped explain in the old mod requests thread, but I can't find it, must have been deleted. Anyways, the bottom line is, the person on the other side that computer could be anyone. For all you know, they could barely be able to speak English, or even have a mental disability . People need to be a little more understanding, trolling and flaming will only frustrate people and confuse them even more. A polite but pointed request to search next time and that the information is out there along with a link to it would be ideal in my opinion. The new users might not entirely grasp the concept of what's going on and how to easily search, and that information isn't exactly readily available. I know it is out there, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't go anywhere outside of my device's forum for quite some time after joining, not that I didn't know how to do those things. Point is, while the idea of searching and finding information for yourself is commonplace to you, it may not be to new users, and I don't think the importance of finding your own information is stressed enough for new members. While you may get angry and feel the need to rant and flame, it won't be nearly as effective at changing the way people act compared to a polite and firm request with the info attached, and possibly even what you did to find the information.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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KidCarter93 said:
@cascabel & nitubhaskar -
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them.
I've been approved by Snowflake. Jealous?
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Actually you are right.. it helps them if we say what wrong they did and also give info what they asked in same post.. but I hope they won't feel that, even if he/she did made a wrong/ mistake they will get the quick info they need without any effort kinda feeling..
About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
About your ranting...
Lol.. no way.. as far as I have seen your posts.. well your patience is pretty high.. ocassionally I have seen you going angry.. otherwise you are kind enough to give info and inform them of their mistakes.. well that's my observation.. excluding your device forum though
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old. So even if noob posts a warez content i never flame or troll him. Yeah, i do wanna give him a scolding but i don't. I'm gonna simply report it. Yes, i do sometimes post a reply or give him a PM, requesting him to remove the content with a link to the rules.
If a user dosen't search :-
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
If someone (racially) discriminates another user, i simply report him/her. Flaming him with sarcastic remarks might earn me a few thanks, (maybe) suppress the guy down, but it still isn't good for two reasons - one, as it's against the rules, two, as it proves that you're not a bit different from the user.
||I'm just a PM away for help||

How I respond depends on a new users thread, if it's to ask something particular then I'll either not reply or provide a link that's related or helps directly, if it's a new thread asking "how to root", how to unlock the boot loader", "how to install this ROM", "what's the best ROM" (there's at least 20+ threads asking that or similar in the Arc section in the last month or two) or asking about something in an existing thread that they could have just asked their question in, then I tend to be a bit more, how shall I say this, sarcastically direct :silly:, which some People take on the chin, and if they get it then I'll try to be more helpful, but you get the odd one or two who take umbrage then want to argue, needless to say I don't help that kind of user.
People joining here should be of a certain aptitude to begin imo and willing to learn, I'm much more inclined to help a user who has shown a bit of initiative but a lot are just sheer lazy and the amount of things that get asked that could be answered in the stickys amazes me.
But then you still get senior members who act like they've never been here before also, so I'm the same with them too. :angel:

KidCarter93 said:
@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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Your ranting works. That's because you've already told them what they're screwing up multiple times and just need to get it into their heads that they can't keep doing whatever they're doing. Ranting without giving any reasoning or advice isn't so effective.
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I mention what they did wrong and just report it or send a pm to a moderator...Don't like making the situation worse
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Well, I always try to understand the situation of the user, I mean on the SGSII forums,for example, I've recognize some users that always post questions instead of search even if the answer it's on the previous page, to them, I ask nicely to search but also I remember that me or some other user told him yet that please follow the rules and search before of post.
In the case of the total newbie users, mostly, I guide them to the thread, post or forum that they need but also, I mention that the rules are clear and need start to search before.
Sometimes I do the recomendation of put (in the next post that they do) where they search or how, if they do it yet, in that way we can give a better help (maybe it's not searching by the right terms or something like that)
I'm totally hate the flame to an user, when I see a post that could be the probably cause of a flame war I report it ASAP. And also, when I see someone flaming I ask nicely to stop because it's against the rules.
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When I first started, I advised them on the said thread itself, giving as much help as I could. I would wait for a response before PM-ing him/her about what they did and how to avoid getting into more trouble. Along the way, I realised that the more I tried to be nice to them, the more they would just step on me and act as if nothing has happened. The final straw was when this one guy, started hurling abuse at me for pointing out his mistake, vandalised my ROM thread and IRC channel. Soon after more and more hate PM's started to arise. Now I don't bother with wrong do-ers. I find them guilty, I report them. If it get's out of hand, I'll give a sarcastic yet hard hitting post that he/she will never forget. I know it's wrong and some of them will hate me till the rest of their days, but I find monkeys like these only listen to a nice warm infraction instead of kind words. Now I just focus on bug related problems in my forum. Common courtesy is eroding in new users everywhere. Sorry, but this is what more than a year in XDA has made me into . No, I will not change my ways

What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."

Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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KidCarter93 said:
Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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I don't think they will.
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anasdcool71 said:
I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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And it seemed to work, that bump.
On topic:
Simply abide the rules. If you see someone breaking the rules (e.g. posting warez, flaming, spamming, etc) report it, using the "!" button on the post. The report will be picked up by a moderator and will be registered, in case we need to review afterwards. Of course, if it's a minor offence, a PM to a mod is ok too.
But how to deal with new users who just ask alot of questions and don't know our "netiquette"?
Try a calm approach and tell them to use the Search function ALOT.
Just remember one thing and live by it: We all were newbs at one time.
Good to see this discussion, shows people care.

Big multiquote coming in 3, 2, 1....
nitubhaskar said:
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Using common courtesy will go leaps and bounds to remedy the situation. People sometimes do need a not-so-gentle nudging on how things work, but also a simple Please and Thanks can go much further. Otherwise if you flame them for posting something that has been asked just a few pages back, this place can get the mob mentality and all of a sudden, that one comment has turned into 4 pages of dribble that usually has to be cleaned by us and sometimes results in infractions for 1 or more members. Nobody wants that, right?
****The one thing that everyone should do is put on their way-back-hats and remember is when they were first tinkering with their phone and messed something up. Do you remember that Panic Mode your were in? :crying: Palms all sweaty, reading 5-6-7 pages at a time. Thinking that you just bricked your $600usd device. It sucks big time. I've been there many times (long ago )
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About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
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We generally try to leave a message as to why a thread was closed or moved. It isn't really a rule but again more of a common courtesy.
Also, The-Captain That guy is a class act. Nice, friendly and efficient. :good::good::good:
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old.
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se. But Rule #10 does say,
10. Help others if you can
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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Giving a link is great and I do it all the time. But where does that cross the line of you doing their searching for them. I find if it is obscure enough, i will give a link, but the Department of Redundancy Department questions don't get such treatment, if you know what I mean.
loneagl said:
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
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I have done this more often than not. A simple picture can change the whole attitude of the thread. But not some stupid meme that has a personal attack or durogotory in any manner. I have one picture of a kid sticking a butter knife into a wall outlet and it say "nOOb" on it. Something as simple as that can change the tone and the OP wil make light of it and figure out where he went wrong. Sometimes not though and I have had it backfire on me a few times as well. But then in my next post, I would gently explain why I posted a picture and then guide them in the right direction. Some people tend to remember the visual, so the next time they want to start a thread, they may in-fact remember my picture and not the 4 pages of flaming they received.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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Now you have an SM and FSM.
Edit::: One thing that I forgot to mention was the shear numbers we have here. At any given time there are between 35 & 50k users online. That's huge. If you Google anything about mobile/tablets, XDA is almost always at the top and at the very least top 5. That is some tough numbers we're dealing with.

That's really a big multi-quote! And quite a big explanation!!
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se.
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I suppose it is under rule #2.5. And also under rule #10, as you stated.
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Open letter to the mods.

I'm not sure what irritates me more here, the people who can't read and follow simple rules or the mods with little man syndrome. Letting their little bit of power go to their heads and shutting down threads for fairly trivial reasons in the scheme of things.
There's an update rolling out, people want news. Sure some people seem to be unable to refrain from posting that they haven't got it or asking when they will, but so what?
Is it really that hard to scroll past them? If, as a mod it offends you that much, is it really that hard to just clean the thread?
Or is it more fun to wield that power, talk down to people and lock another thread?
How about a little understanding during an update guys?
Regards,
Damion.
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badomen said:
I'm not sure what irritates me more here, the people who can't read and follow simple rules or the mods with little man syndrome. Letting their little bit of power go to their heads and shutting down threads for fairly trivial reasons in the scheme of things.
There's an update rolling out, people want news. Sure some people seem to be unable to refrain from posting that they haven't got it or asking when they will, but so what?
Is it really that hard to scroll past them? If, as a mod it offends you that much, is it really that hard to just clean the thread?
Or is it more fun to wield that power, talk down to people and lock another thread?
How about a little understanding during an update guys?
Regards,
Damion.
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+1 agree 100%.. its xda afterall, where people like us want to learn about the latest and greatest in android.. or it should be mentioned separately that noobs should refrain from posting their little questions and probs..

don't think this will last long, or OP for that matter lol!!!! :silly:
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Also would just like to point out that most of the mods have been on here for years and are recognised developers or contributors. You can't become a mod just like that. Also I think someone who has no thanks and only 28 posts needs to pipe down, read the rules and maybe smoke a spliff and chill. You have nothing on the aforementioned people

I hundred percent agree. This update is big news , not just a incremental update .
I know I have asked a few times about what cid's have received ,it would then seem like people are very quick to have there pennies worth .
I'm new to this hox and I bought my phone after coming from the Xperia T which I thought was dreadful.
Have been very satisfied with the device and I'm eager for news on it and help knowing stuff to do with it .
Please consider people like myself who are as not as technically minded as some of you guys out there , people who are eager to learn on what knowledge you have to share .
Thanks
Chris
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Thread Closed​
This is not a appropriate place for you to air your thoughts. If you have a issue, please make the moderation team aware of it by PM or by means of the report system. It also has nothing to do with the device in which forum you are posting.
Now as you posted.
None of the mods on this team are on any sort of "power trip" They put large amounts of spare time into keeping this forum running smoothly. We do it for the good of the community, and we try to contribute to said community. Without some of the efforts of the moderation team, this forum would not be the fantastic resource it is.
Now, for the update thread. Do you really think loads of posts *****ing they have not received a update is really helpful? Get real. Nobody wants to dredge through endless amounts of junk. We want to get to the information we are looking for. I think the main problem you have is patience!
Now it is our job to clean the forums, but its also a users responsibility to post in accordance with the rules. You see where i am going here?
If you feel yourself or any other user has been treated incorrectly by the moderation team, please make our team leader broncogr aware of it, He will look into it.​