Develop Bugs

Automatic Time/TimeZones - Setting

I have an Unlocked T-mobile Dash that I use on Rogers network in Toronto Canada.
The value for Automatic Time/TimeZones in Settings->Clock&Alarm keeps switching back to "Enable" on it's own. And that in turn screws with the dates and times of my appointments.
Has anyone else had the same problem?
Is there a way to change default setting for this parameter to "Disable"?
Any input is greatly appreciated.
David

Wish I had good news for you... but for some reason T-Mobile has disabled the ability to turn this off. It will only stay off until you reboot the phone. I've read that other phones, the Blackjack in particular, retain this setting when it's changed.
Someone else may come up with a registry setting to make the change permanent, wish I knew of one

I hate this too !!!!!!!!!!!
you're not the only one with this problem...
I've an open problem ticket with microsoft for perhaps some answers but don't hold your breath
meanwhile, no one has a fix for this...
the only way to resolve the issue is to fall in line with the microsoft implementation of outlook meeting/appointment scheduling which is to always record the meeting/appointment time RELATIVE to the timezone you are in when you make the entry
for example, if you're in Dallas TX on Central time and need to record a meeting in NYC 2days from now, if the NYCity meeting is at 2pm you MUST record the meeting time as 1pm which is the meeting time relative to the Dallas timezone. When you arrive in NYCity and you turn on your DASH/Excalibur it will automatically (since enable is forced ON) reset time to NYCity local time and reset the timezone to Eastern. When this happens your meeting time becomes 2pm, the correct time.
I hate this implementation but its a known "FEATURE" of WM5 and Outlook calendar operation. My investigation has found three groups of opinions:
- those who have learned to live with this implementation and agree with it
- those who have never figured it out and have given up
- those like me who hate the implementation and are looking for microsoft to add a checkbox to outlook meeting which makes the meeting time absolute and unaffected by change in timezone
Its also been suggested that a program like CityTimeSP might work ... I've downloaded and tested the 15day trial and it works as advertised allowing one to setup calendar events in other timezones without having to make the mental timezone calculation so that when you arrive and your phone time/timezone syncs all your meetings will show the correct time.
http://www.codecity.net/prodctsp.htm
good luck

A little clarification: The previous poster mentioned a "microsoft implementation" of "always recording the meeting/appointment time RELATIVE to the timezone you are in" -- this is his implementation, not Microsoft's. Once understood, the Microsoft implementation is actually pretty slick.
You can specify a time zone for an appointment when entering it in desktop Outlook -- there's a button in the appointment entry window labeled 'time zone'; when you click it you can specify alternate time zones. It's actually a powerful way to handle time zones that I was unaware of until a couple days ago. While at home, alternate time-zone appointments display earlier/later (depending on the time-zone) -- once you get there, they display correctly as your Dash pulls time and time-zone from your new location.
The real issue is that when creating appointments on your smartphone, there isn't a way to enter time zone info. Until there is, you can enter 'away' time-zone appointments on your desktop and sync them, or edit ones you've created on your phone after they sync to Outlook.
Or, jump through some hoops and add another layer to your calendar with the Citytime product, kind of overkill just to deal with time zones, but it is an option.
Pocket Informant for the PPC (not smartphone) does allow the editing of time zone info in an appointment -- hopefully a future release of the smartphone version of Pocket Informant (Papyrus) will offer this as well.

Regardless of my phrasing, I suggest you go to desktop Outlook help and search for the keyword "timezone", then read the "about timezone" and "troubleshooting timezone" items which should clarify how microsoft has implemented timezone processing.

Same exact thing happens to me and I am on Rogers Canada as well. I just learn to change the auto time zone back to disabled everytime I time I reset.

How interesting
sfu_engineer said:
Same exact thing happens to me and I am on Rogers Canada as well. I just learn to change the auto time zone back to disabled everytime I time I reset.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Does this happen on a HTC S620 as well?
oh, I am on FIDO, Canada.. which I guess is Robbers too?
B

It's probably a firmware thing. I am using a TMOBILE DASH if it matters. I am too lazy to upgrade the firmware to HTC 620 though

My dash changes from Pacific time to Mountain time... No date change tho.

looking at the date of the original post ... I believed this is due to the extended "daylight saving time" the USA implemented this year (2007)
there have since been a patch release to resolved this issue:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/daylightsaving/default.mspx

Was just reading a similar thread in HowardForums. They don't have a sure-fire fix either. It really is frustrating. I have just learnt to reset the time zone info each time I have had to reset my phone.

I fly a lot and my Dash is the only WM device I have ever owned that updates itself to time of the country I am visiting even if I have this option turned off.
OK, I can live with that if I have to, but when I arrive back in my country (UK) and turn my phone back on the time (and appointments) remain as at the last destination forcing me to have to manually update the time and turn off auto-time zone settings AGAIN.
The feature does not stay turned off though, because the next time I arrive abroad.....Bam, the auto-time zone settings have turned them selves back on again and the entire cycles starts again.
I am using the dreadfully buggy T-Mobile WM6. Hopefully when HTC finally release their WM6 version the problem will have been fixed.

Yup, I feel your pain. I am an airline Pilot, so you can imagine how frustrated I get!! I hope there is a fix for this soon. Otherwise, I really like the Dash.

Same here It drives me nuts.

The solution is to use the timezone feature in Outlook. Specifiy the time-zone for your appointments in Outlook. If you do this, then everything displays correctly as you change timezones. It's actually a slick feature if used correctly. It's even easier than complaining about it

That's not what I am 'complaining' about.
Even with the auto-time zone off....
I leave the UK. Clock = UTC
I arrive in Orlando and the time changes to UTC-5
I arrive back in the UK and the phone is still on UTC-5
With the setting off it should stay on UTC time forever.
It wouldn't be so bad it if chnaged the time without me wanting to do it, but the fact it does not change back to my home time zone on arrival back home is irritating.

Works great for me -- must be there's something wrong with your device.
Pagemakers said:
That's not what I am 'complaining' about.
Even with the auto-time zone off....
I leave the UK. Clock = UTC
I arrive in Orlando and the time changes to UTC-5
I arrive back in the UK and the phone is still on UTC-5
With the setting off it should stay on UTC time forever.
It wouldn't be so bad it if chnaged the time without me wanting to do it, but the fact it does not change back to my home time zone on arrival back home is irritating.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Should be Ok for me too form now on sinice I've just dumped the buggy T-Mobile ROM

chaznet said:
Works great for me -- must be there's something wrong with your device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not so sure about that......there are several of us that have the same problem. It's most frustrating.

Activesync sets incorrect time

After flashing with several wm6 roms, the time on my Hermes gets set to an incorrect value when I connect to activesync. I never had this problem with the stock wm5 OS. Anyone have any ideas what is causing this?

just chose the correct GMT area from time icon

Either the time on your PC is wrong (but I guess you would've noticed this!) or the time zones don't match. Try double clicking on your PC's time and compare it to the time zone tab on your phone (under Settings, Clock and Alarms).
Other than that, sorry - no idea!

mak_us1977 said:
just chose the correct GMT area from time icon
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Damn these people with quicker typing skills - you just beat me to it!!

mak_us1977 said:
just chose the correct GMT area from time icon
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the input but Its already set to the correct GMT area.

Confused Stu said:
Either the time on your PC is wrong (but I guess you would've noticed this!) or the time zones don't match. Try double clicking on your PC's time and compare it to the time zone tab on your phone (under Settings, Clock and Alarms).
Other than that, sorry - no idea!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I checked the time on my PC is not wrong. The time zone on my phone is correct as well. I never had this problem with the stock wm5 that came with the phone. I'm wondering if it has something to do with using a non Cingular rom??

I got the same problem but I realized that it was not an activesync behaviour. I got active the automatic Hour and TimeZone change in the Phone settings and Spanish Orange got an incorrect zone set, so, every time I start my phone, my timezone changes...
Try to uncheck this parameter in the Phone settings, TimeZone tab.

VivaErBetis said:
I got the same problem but I realized that it was not an activesync behaviour. I got active the automatic Hour and TimeZone change in the Phone settings and Spanish Orange got an incorrect zone set, so, every time I start my phone, my timezone changes...
Try to uncheck this parameter in the Phone settings, TimeZone tab.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can't find where to uncheck automatic Hour and TimeZone change. I looked in "Clock & Alarms" under System settings and "Phone" in the Personal settings tab.

sobepmp said:
I can't find where to uncheck automatic Hour and TimeZone change. I looked in "Clock & Alarms" under System settings and "Phone" in the Personal settings tab.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's supposed to be a tab under "Phone" in personal settings tab, but showing it or not depends on a registry value. You may download the HTCustom tweaker from here:
http://shadowmite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2231&p=7890#p7890
Install it and set on the showing of the TimeZone tab in order to check if it's active or not.

VivaErBetis said:
It's supposed to be a tab under "Phone" in personal settings tab, but showing it or not depends on a registry value. You may download the HTCustom tweaker from here:
http://shadowmite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2231&p=7890#p7890
Install it and set on the showing of the TimeZone tab in order to check if it's active or not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the info. automatic change time zone and clock was allready disabled so I guess thats not the problem. However I did find that enabling automatic change time zone and clock and then doing a soft reset changed my clock back to the right time.

You may got another option. In your PC (not in your pocket PC) look for this registry Key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows CE Services\Partners\xxxxxxxxx\Services\Synchronization
And change the value:
Sync Time on Dock
from 1 to 0. It will disable the activesync change of the Pocket PC time...
xxxxxxxxx is the ID of your partnership with the Pocket PC
Remember to restart activesync after the change.
Here you got more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms834164.aspx

Problem resolved
Thanks for all your help VivaErBetis. The registry change you suggested fixed everything.

Time Zone Auto-change??

I got problem with the time zone in windows mobile 6.1 in all ROM (4) I've tried.
The time zone is often automatically change to other time zone. In my case GMT +7 (Bangkok, Hanoi) to GMT +7 (Krasnoryask) [sometime], mostly to GMT+1 (prague, Budapest). Clock is also shifted according to "new time zone"
The problem is, all appointments schedulle timing are also shifted to GMT +1.
Is there anyway to fix this problem?
Thank you.

cloud_kjo said:
I got problem with the time zone in windows mobile 6.1 in all ROM (4) I've tried.
The time zone is often automatically change to other time zone. In my case GMT +7 (Bangkok, Hanoi) to GMT +7 (Krasnoryask) [sometime], mostly to GMT+1 (prague, Budapest). Clock is also shifted according to "new time zone"
The problem is, all appointments schedulle timing are also shifted to GMT +1.
Is there anyway to fix this problem?
Thank you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Geez Louise!! Why don't you learn to use your Hermes before you moan, it's in your owners manual. Settings/system/regional settings.........RTFM! or search before you post.

It happened to me too sometimes when I synchronize with my computer somehow that mades timezone changes without my intervention to a zone diferent from my computer or phone which I configured manually in "Settings/system/regional settings", so knowing where "Settings/system/regional settings" setting is doesn't solve the problem even reading the manual to locate "Settings/system/regional settings" doesn't made any difference because guess what, time zone change without you do anything.
cloud_kjo If you find the way to solve de problem please share with us, thank you

Actually, its got to do with the phone settings, look in Settings/Phone/Time Zones/ Uncheck auto change time zone and clock.
Fixed.

I don't think these responses address his problem. I think he's asking how to prevent his calendar appointments from changing.
Yes, you can set the phone to not update to the local time when you are traveling. That will prevent the change to your appointments. But it would be nice to have your phone be on the local time.
My understanding is that it's a deficiency (bug? feature?) in Windows Mobile (and apparently the Nokia OS, too). You CAN'T tell the appointments to not change to the local time, which is really stupid.
A workaround that I'm trying is to use the calendar to simply note your appointments, but not to put them in the time part. In other words, in the subject of your appointment, just put the time. The subject line won't be affected by any time zone changes.
Ira

ssunhing said:
Geez Louise!! Why don't you learn to use your Hermes before you moan, it's in your owners manual. Settings/system/regional settings.........RTFM! or search before you post.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
??? Why were you so upset???
Have you read my entire question completely?
Just like Alarido said, it is not "how to set the regional settings", which I know from the "Manual", that it is located in "Setting/system/regional settings" whether "How to prevent or fix the hermes from auto changing its time zone" which from the "Manual" located in "setting/system/clock and alarms". I live in GMT+7 area and don't have any travelling abroad (yet) to GMT+1 area, but my Hermes sometimes "smartly" shift its time zone to GMT+1 automatically eventhough I'm in GMT+7 area.
This time shifting frequently occured after turning on the Hermes, sync with notebook (my notebook is in GMT+7 setting), and soft reset. However it could occured instantly too.
It ruin my entire calendar. Shifting back the time zone doesn't solve the problem because sometimes when my Hermes "smartly" shifting its time zone, it doesn't shift my calendar to GMT+1 time zone. e.g. On 8am I set a meeting on 11am (GMT+7), when Hermes "smartly" shift its time zone to GMT+1, the meeting is still on 11am, but the clock has been changed to 1am (GMT+1). When I shifting back the time zone to GMT+7, and click Yes, the meeting is altered to GMT+7+6, while the clock is slower 1 hour than it should be, in my example now my clock show 7am, the meeting now 5pm.
Until know I don't know how to solve this problem. 4 ROM have been tried, all give the same problem (the latest 3 ROM, didn't give a less one hour when the time zone is shifted back to where it should be).

cloud_kjo said:
I got problem with the time zone in windows mobile 6.1 in all ROM (4) I've tried.
The time zone is often automatically change to other time zone. In my case GMT +7 (Bangkok, Hanoi) to GMT +7 (Krasnoryask) [sometime], mostly to GMT+1 (prague, Budapest). Clock is also shifted according to "new time zone"
The problem is, all appointments schedulle timing are also shifted to GMT +1.
Is there anyway to fix this problem?
Thank you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Easy fix!
Go to settings/personal/phone, then "time zones" tab and uncheck "automatic change time zone and clock". It will never change your time zones again.
This issue has been addressed on numerous previous postings.

Perhaps you could set your appointments according to the timezone that you would like (i.e. if you are travelling from GMT+8 to GMT+1, you could set yr appointments in GMT+1 time).
How can this be done? Well if you're working from outlook on your PC, you can right click on the bar that displays the time (in daily view) and select the "Change Time Zone" option where you will have the option to display two time zones..
I hope that the above is clear.. Cheerios

Same Problem
I just found this thread.
I've have the same problem (though on HTC Touch Pro) as cloud_kjo. It's been happening to me, I believe, only ever since I've installed this time zone fix from Microsoft, which is essential in the time zone I reside in most of my days, namely Israel (so please don't offer that I remove it...).
It seems that most of the people on this thread haven't really read cloud_kjo's post, and the answers are mostly irrelevant. Same as cloud_kjo, my "automatic change time zone and clock" setting is unchecked, and still the problem occurs - time zone shifts automatically, to London (GMT) in my case.
Any help will be appreciated.

Search for this issue, this has been covered many many times before! There are lot of different solutions available out there...

ai6908 said:
Search for this issue, this has been covered many many times before! There are lot of different solutions available out there...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks ai6908 for your answer. I never post anything and wait in hope for an answer unless I've serched the threads first. I haven't found a solution, yet.

I have exactly the same problem with Windows Mobile. I want the clock to change automatically when I arrive in another city (knowing the local time is very useful) but the last thing I need is for it to change all my appointments and flight times! I know how it works and why it works that way but to not give the user an option to turn off appointment changes is, IMO, lunacy. I have searched and there is no obvious solution so it looks like Windows Mobile is not for me. A product called TimeZone5 addressed this problem in earlier versions of WM but it doesn't work with 6.x. Anyone know if the IPhone has the same problem?

Nope, iPhone does not have this problem. Even if the timezone changes, the appointment time remains the same, which makes sense to me. I am looking for a solution to my HTC Cruise since the appointment timing is all messed up by the change in time zone.

Time and Location settings making me NUTS!

OK.. Here is my problem.
I set my location in TF3D as Boca Raton, FL (Eastern time zone).
Everything looks great, then I notice my appointments are off by several hours.
I go into the system clock setting and notice it is set to -12 (instead of -5 which Eastern time is).
I change it to -5 and then when I go back to my home screen my clock has chaned to being several hours off.
If I go into World Clock, it shows "LOCAL TIME" correct, but the city I added (Boca Raton) as now being several hours off.
How can I make this bloody phone understand that BOCA RATON is IN THE EASTERN TIME ZONE !!!!!

I feel your pain
Anyway, I turned the bloody locations setting off, and manually selected my location.
Under settings, location settings you can turn this off.
Since my location does not work anymore, weather for My location was also not being displayed correctly, so I used below register tweak to remove the "my location" from the weather tab.
HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\weather.EnableCurrentLocation set to 0
I still have "my location" under the World Clock, however have my location selected manually. This keeps time correct all the time, and shows correct weather on my animated clock.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Daan4Suz

just tell all your appointments that you got stuck in traffic and will be a few hours late...no biggie...

Actually I found the solution on here.
The cities I had been picking were ones I added using the Weather Database Editor.
The weather location database is actually a small SQL database disguised as a manila file and it is used for more than just weather (ie: World Clock). Using the Weather Database Editor to add locations only adds some info into the SQL tables such as city, state, country, and weather code, but nothing for time zone.
Using a tool called SQLLiteAdmin I opened the database (on my PC, not phone) and added in the info for timezone, etc to the cities I had previously added.
Copied manila file back to phone. Rebooted and SHA-BANG!! It was fixed.

Oh if you go to the time & date settings under the actual Settings in WM 6.5, rather than through the Manila home tab interface, you can change the timezone there without a problem and then all of your appointments are correct.
I figured this out before, forgot about it, then figured it out again and it should be locked into memory now.
Jason

I used this thread to fix this same problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570771

Stop location check completely and clock issue

Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out how to get rid of My Location from my clock and from the weather tab completely. I have tried taking off My Location in the setting and I have checked "Automatically decline location service". But I still have My Location in the clock and weather tab.
The reason I want to get rid of it is because my phone jumps 1 hour ahead at least twice a day. I have to change it back to my time zone by touching on the clock.
Also is there a way of stopping the flip back graphics of the clock?
Cheers!

Hi,
to get rid of my location from weather you have to set to 0 the following key in registry:
"HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\weather.EnableCurrentLocation" (dword)
to instruct the clock not to use my location at all but the city you manually set you have to uncheck "automatic change time zone and clock" in phone settings, time zones tab.
hope this helps,
Radu

unzip and copy file to windows directory to stop clock flip.

cool thanks alot guys!
unchecked those settings, see how it goes

nradu said:
Hi,
to get rid of my location from weather you have to set to 0 the following key in registry:
"HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\weather.EnableCurrentLocation" (dword)
to instruct the clock not to use my location at all but the city you manually set you have to uncheck "automatic change time zone and clock" in phone settings, time zones tab.
hope this helps,
Radu
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, i'm using an Energy Rom and I don't see the time zone setting anywhere on the phone...is it disabled for some reason? (HTC tilt2)