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Phone functionality comparison between system 1.11 and 1.13

Hello guys, I would like to hear from You if you have similar problems in 1.13 version as I have in 1.11 test rom, any answer will help me with the upgrade decision:
- “contact” soft key is on the RIGHT when desktop is visible, on the LEFT in phone application and in the MIDDLE button during the phone call. JUST Imagine somebody in the car who wants to make a phone call….. especially with MISSING REAL HARDWARE BUTTONS to assign the contacts to…
- In the phone application – last unanswered phone call is not displayed on the phone screen – you have to click HISTORY to see it – just the same problem in the car – somebody is calling you, you can not get out the device on time, so you press twice TINY TINY green button on the hinge, and …. You call the last number you have called before…not the last missed one
- Phone application just shuts itself of and Universal comes to the desktop screen WHY? (Imagine AGAIN in the car….)
- REALLY ugly TMobile skin, but the original blue skin has to low contrast….Again IN THE CAR…
- maybe I did not try hard enough but I can not obtain predictable results with the onscreen quickdial (not to mismatch with SPEED DIAL butto which Is OK, )– how to obtain the names starting with second or third letter from the key – I don’t know, and anyway it does not work if you have about 1500 contacts as I have
- check how SPEED DIAL it was done in the old handspring TREO phones – large buttons with the names on them in two columns rather than one list, with whole screen “pages” of 12 contacts each, for me much easier to use and navigate if you have more than one screen of numbers as in the car there is no chances for easy up and down navigation, what you have to do now with the numbered list.
- With all this missing hardware buttons what happened with the D-Pad functionality – in Blue Angel it was UP- History DOWN – speed dial … but in Universal nothing works ?????
- “during the call” screen with 6 soft buttons stays on when the phone call is already finished – again you do not find the soft buttons in the right places when you want to make next call
- When I got rid of the TM skin video call button is missing, I can not use UMTS yet as it is not available in Krakow, but it will be needed some time…
- No BT icon on the desktop – no chances for the quick verification of the proper connection between headset and the unit
- I have heard that voice dialing functionality does not work when the unit is closed (I always keep it open – screen on the top)
- There is no voice dialing available when the unit is protected by the password (but this is disputable)

annoying problems with selection and scrolling

I am using the standard tf3d. I am having serious problems in order to navigate through any of the lists such as the contacts list or calls list. First the scroll bar is far too small in order to select it easy with a finger. I also hate that it right starts calling a person in case I first hit a contact in order to scroll through the list. Sometimes I need to press more then once in order to have the item selected.
How can I change the config such that I get rid of this annoying problems?

Don't mess with the scroll bar. Just slide your finger across the list. If your problem is that sometimes it selects an item instead of scrolling, then just keep practicing and it will happen less. Try moving your finger up and down to move the list around.

Why can't I configure it such (like Iphone) that I can select an item an whipe my finger without that it directly calls the contact? I want it to perform a call to the contact just after selecting the item for a longer while. Is there a GUI available for the TP2 which performs like the Iphone GUI?

try to remove useless items such as weather,stock and other ****s.
i have only 4 items in my touchflo3d,dont need to scroll,just click one of them.
do you really need all items in touchflo3d??????

The problem is not the tf3d.. it sounds to me like you just arent used the resistive screen.. the screens on these phones require a slight amount of pressure to work properly, as opposed to the iphone screen which is a capacitive screen which works off the electricity from you body therefore you barely have to touch the screen.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen .. so if you are used to a capacitive screen, getting used to a resistive screen will take some time.. every time i let someone who has ( or has used) an iphone, use my phone they have the same problem.. and it makes my phone looks like crap until i explain to them how it works... resistive screens are more precise when it comes to pinpointing on a screen but capacitive is way more fluid and finger friendly.. I could be wrong in your case but the problem you are having happens all the time when people use my phone..

Change phone behaviour or default action?

Does anyone know if it's possible to either:
a) Change the default phone behaviour to go to the 'people' view rather than contacts with a default action
or
b) Change the default action of a contact to "view contact"?
or
c) Delete all default actions?
I hate having a default phone numer - I want to tap a person and be taken to a list of numbers. I can tap the "quick contact" list on the right of a contact, but it's small and I frequently end up calling the default number instead of viewing the contact.
Also, I assume I hold a finger over the proximity sensor, because after I've accidentally dialed the default number, the screen often goes blank and by the time I've moved my hand and got the screen back on, the call has connected.
Apart from this one issue, loving every aspect of the phone, simply amazing.
Dougie

Just realised that what I'm after is a replacement dialer, just installed a bunch of them or testing

What was the result of your research? Find anything good?

How to prevent accidental dialing?

Dear all,
Is there any way to add a confirmation dialog for the number I am dialing from my Touch Pro2? I have accidentally dialed a few calls when I touch the contact quick links on my home page, and when I scroll through the call history or my contact list. I notice that this is a common problem for quite a few people but I have not been able to find a solution. Note that I am NOT asking for screening locking.
Thank you very much.

Welcome to forums
I have never made an accidental call...
You can always block your device

This is not about blocking. I have S2U2 installed and there is no pocket dialing or anything like that. What I am talking about is that when I look through my call history, scroll through my contact list or quick contact links, my finger action may not be a perfect scroll action to the phone so it start dialing right away.
I am new to the forum and can not post links here but if you google "touch pro2 dial confirmation", or "touch pro2 accidental dialing", this is a common problem, at least to new touchphone users.

I'm not a new touchphone user, and I completely know/agree with what you are talking about.

thank god. I thought it was me. For the first two weeks of owning this phone I actually would tell people who called me or that I called "I just bought a brand new phone so if you get a phone call from me and I do not leave a voice mail, it it because I dailed you by accident, sorry". Pretty embarressing especially for a business phone.
It is my first touch phone, but still .....
When you are on phone, do not try to scroll through recent call, especially with the keyboard up. And do not try to do it one handed, where you use your thumb to scroll. It doesn't work for me. My thumb is terrible at scrolling.
I then I don't realize that I am already on the phone screen and press the phone button.
Really cannot figure out all the ways I accidentally call someone. And it has mostly stopped. But still ....

I can usually press "End Call" before it starts ringing on the other end. But I agree that since the scroll gesture, and pressing to select/call are almost the same gesture, there should be a confirmation screen. Or they should make a scroll bar on the side (but that might clutter things up).

I have the same problem, and the end call button is to slow to stop the call. Calling happens so fast that even if I press the end call button immediately it rings at least once.

I've had touch phones for years.... This is just something you get used to. It will happen regardless of whether you are using an Iphone, Windows Phone etc etc.
You just have to be carefull I suppose, no other way around it. You would get very tired of having to confirm EVERY call you make I would think. I dont get any "accidental" calls any more. I havnt for years actually. It's just a matter of training your gestures I would think. When scrolling dont push your finger on a contact and hold it there but start at the bottom or top of the screen and start swiping your finger down (or up) before your finger touches the screen. The only time you get a "accidental" press would be if you start by pressing your finger down and leaving it there a second or ending with your finger on a contact for a second or so.
I'm somehow able to leave my finger on a contact and swipe up or down and it doesnt select the contact untill I actually hold my finger there so. It must just be a way you guys are doing whatever it is you are doing.
That's my two cents though!

I guess people get over this problem sooner or later so xda-developers, who are certainly experienced users of touch phones, do not feel a need to add such a confirmation box.
Anyway, confirmation box is not the only way to prevent accidental dialing. For example, if pressing end-call in 2 seconds actually stops dialing, I do not mind waiting 2 extra seconds for each call. Right now, even immediate end-call cannot stop a call.

XavierGr said:
I have the same problem, and the end call button is to slow to stop the call. Calling happens so fast that even if I press the end call button immediately it rings at least once.
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I just noticed something, in Advanced Config, under "Phone", there is an item "End Call Delay". Its set to 3 seconds by default, which seems like a long time to delay ending the call. I've just changed it to 1 second, and going to see how that works out.
Advanced Config is here, if you don't already have it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418151

I must have had at least 50 accidental calls in the last month. Everytime I scroll through my recent history it somehow takes it like I clicked on a number to call...
can somebody please make a fix where I can click YES OR NO right before I make a call.. or maybe a 5 second timer with a cancel button before a call..
thanks a lot!!
btw.
i had an android and i used to use google voice so it would prevent accidently calling someone
google voice app for android has a message that pops up when you make a call that asks which number to use for the call (google voice, or phone)
something like that would work nice

Another thing that might be worth considering is tweaking the amount of pressure required with a touch to simulate a click. If you can find a sweet spot where you're able to select an item when you need to, and scrolling is still possible, could be worth a look. I think I've seen reg entries or tweaking programs that cover this, though it is possible they were for different HTC models, and perhaps ours doesn't register varying amounts of pressure? In which case, is it possible to alter how long you need to press on an item before a click is registered?
Not an answer re. wanting call confirmation, I realise, but something to consider, possibly.

I have the same issue with accidentally dialing numbers. Android has an app, think it's called "Confirm Call". A similar Windows Mobile app would be appreciated and used by many.

The trick is, to apply even pressure to the screen when scrolling up or down. Try not to let your finger press and release to quickly.

Tilt 2 Voice Command issue

For some reason, I can't find a way to get VC to say the numbers when using the dialer instead of just unsing tones. I could do this on my Incite and prefer the positive confirmation of number pressed. Any ideas? Thanks.

settings\personal\voice command
in there you can change the setting.
I believe if you press the 'phone' option so its highlighted then press the options button on the right you'll be brought to a new window where you can change how it responds. I know it does what you want for me when I call and I have "confirm when calling by name" and "confirm when dialing by number" selected.

@Aaron, I have all three items checked, but still only get tone dialing.

wait... are you talking about when you press the number pad on the phone screen? Cause if so then yes, voice command wouldn't speak the numbers as you press each key. What voice command does is allow you to SPEAK to your phone and it will do what you say...
It's usually mapped to the phone/answer button on your phone (far left button on the bottom front of your phone) Press it but hold it down.... then say "call joe" or whoever... or "dial 3497894023"
Then it will confirm by saying "dial 3497894023?" And you have to say "yes"... and then it will dial.
There's a ton of commands: what time is it, whats my next appointment, whats the battery status, next track, play album etc etc. Just to name a few
As far as saying the number you pressed as tones when you press the actual number pad. That I don't get. I do remember I had a cab a LONG time ago when I had the touch pro that did it but, really, if you're pressing the number pad odds are you are looking at the phone right. I didn't keep it all too long. Especially when you can just press the call button as a long press and tell the phone what to dial.

This is what bordom gets you and doing a little digging....
Talking Dialpad
as I was talking about above; all this does is change it so your tones aren't.... tones.. but when you push them it will say the number instead. I would still go with using voice command though
according to some posts here it will work on the TP2

Well, I don't know what changed, but on my LG Incite I would press a number in the dialer and it would say it aloud with a nice female voice instead of a tone. It only did this for dialing since you need tones in-call to access things like voicemail or automated system prompts. IIRC, it was a choice in VC setup. I'm sure it was not a mod I made to the phone. Don't understand why M$ would take out such a needed feature for people like me with bad eyesight who prefer the voice confirmation of a dialed number. Tones are absolutely useless.

I posted a link to a thread regarding voice tone instead of the regular numeric tone you hear right above.... did you try that yet cause that seems to be what you are after? You didn't mention anything about it in your post so I wasn't sure but that's clearly what you're looking for.

Yeah, I looked at your links (thanks). Those are for an add-on program. This was a feature built-into Voice Command on WinMo 6.1 and can probably be enabled via a simple regedit since there is no longer a front end selection choice for it in VC.

not an add on program at all... you just download the "talkingkeys.cab" run it.. and it changes all the 'tones' of your numberic dial pad to voices saying the numbers...
takes all of 2 seconds to do.

Just tried it on me TP2 and it works fine very clear thanks Aaron

OK, I tried it. No joy. You have to hold the key for the duration of the sound file or it cuts off. This is not what I had with my Incite. All you had to do was press a button on the dialer and a nice, female voice would say the number. This was built into that version of VC on WinMo 6.1, it was not something I added on. I can't understand why M$ would have taken this out in 6.5 or why HTC/AT$T would have defeated it in the Tilt 2 ROM. Either way, it sucks.

Miami_Son said:
OK, I tried it. No joy. You have to hold the key for the duration of the sound file or it cuts off. This is not what I had with my Incite. All you had to do was press a button on the dialer and a nice, female voice would say the number. This was built into that version of VC on WinMo 6.1, it was not something I added on. I can't understand why M$ would have taken this out in 6.5 or why HTC/AT$T would have defeated it in the Tilt 2 ROM. Either way, it sucks.
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It wasn't voice command or Microsoft that did that but something specific to that phone.... The dialer's for different phones are just that............. different!
Voice command is used for you giving commands to your phone or reading out appointments or incoming callers etc. It had nothing to do with the voice tone in your dial pad.
What you are saying is like asking my my Vogue didn't have a slide out keyboard, or a better resolution screen, or wifi. How unfair and stupid of HTC to not have put that in there. Again... you are comparing an LG phone here with an HTC phone.. different hardware, different OS's. different.... phones I'd be more disappointed about loosing the headphone jack then I would be about having a standard keypad tone wen switching from the Incite.
Can't really compare apples and oranges in this case I would say. If that cab I found you doesn't cut it I'm sorry but it's likely the best you're going to find. There might be some registry hacks you can do to make it so it will say the complete number just from a quick tap but I myself try and stay from dinking around with the registry. I would still say voice command trumps anything that a voice tone numeric pad would do... I either use the contact page in sense or just use voice command to dial a number I want. Seems to work just fine AND easier!

OK, if you're saying it was a function of the LG dialer, that makes more sense. It did use a completely different voice from VC.
I appreciate the link to the program you gave me. I'll probably end up using it. Would be nice if the instructions were clearer on how to install it and where to put the contents of the zip archive. Thanks again.

OK, I found a way to make this work, but with the pleasant woman's voice I wanted. Go to this site:
http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php
Try the sample voices until you find one you like. Then put in the numbers like this: one, two, three...etc. Don't forget star and pound. The commas are important as they give a pause between each number that will help when editing them into separate files. Click download and you will have a wav file with all the numbers spoken aloud. You can convert it to mp3 format or go to the next step. Open it up in a wav editor and chop each word individually and save it to your hard drive with the proper name. These sound so much better than the files included in the post about Talking Dialpad and you can get them in the language of your choice.
Here's the syntax I used. It gives you a 1 second gap between each number making it easier to edit. Copy and paste it into the box.
<Break time="1s"/> one<Break time="1s"/> two<Break time="1s"/> three<Break time="1s"/> four<Break time="1s"/> five<Break time="1s"/> six<Break time="1s"/> seven<Break time="1s"/> eight<Break time="1s"/> nine<Break time="1s"/> zero<Break time="1s"/> pound<Break time="1s"/> star
I used Crystal's voice. If someone wants to host it, I will zip the sound files and e-mail them to you.