Another forum notes the TP2 will be released July 14 by Telstra. Does anyone know if this will be just their GSM network or if it will be on their NextG 850 WCDMA network?
I also emailed HTC directly to see if they will launch a WCDMA 850 version, much like the Touch HD where they did an 850 version for the Telstra NextG network.
No reply yet.
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Finally decided to get a T-Mobile US TP2
Q0. Other than the looks, what else is different between the International Unbranded HTC TP2 and the US T-Mobile TP2
Q1. I've been told the US 3G bands are different from the Asian / UK 3G bands. The Asian bands if I'm not mistaken are "HSDPA 900 / 2100". Can anybody cite the US bands? Also I know that 2100 is common for both US and UK... will that be enough to use 3G in Asia?
Q2. Obviously I would need to get the phone SIM unlocked. For once I couldn't find anthing on XDA to unlock the TP2. Any light on that would be great
Q3. I noticed that Hard-SPL is now available for TP2. I'm assuming that means I can flash it with any ROM. Would doing that automatically unlock the phone to be used with any SIM?
Need answers to these real fast guys... got a good deal on eBay.
0. mostly looks and 3g bands
1. tmobile 3g is strictly for tmobile 3g. anywhere else and its edge for you
2. no free sim-unlocker yet
3. Hardspl is for flashing roms...completely separate from sim cards
Oh man... that sux. I was really hoping that atleast one of the T-mobile bands would be compatible with the Asian 3G bands. Do you have any idea what bands T-Mobile operates on?
HSPA/WCDMA
1700/2100 MHz
Note the 2100 band is part of AWS which means it's not compatible with Asia 2100. T-Mobile 3G requires both 1700 and 2100 to operate. One band is upload and one is download.
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE
Quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
What exactly is the AWS?
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What exactly is the AWS?
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Advanced Wireless Service, which utilizes band IV (1710-1755 out; 2110-2155 in) for CDMA, UMTS, and LTE
I have done some research and I cant find the right answer. I have an unbranded HTC TP2 my carrier is ROGERS Canada and I can't get HSDPA to work even when I live in Alberta one of rogers biggest HSDPA areas. for what I found over Howardforums, Rogers HSDPA is under 850Mhz band and the TP2 works under 900 and 2100 mhz band here is my question:
iF I flash a different radio could that do the trick to get HSDPA? my guess is not but just want to be sure. I will have to live with edge
Thanks
i found this on another forum. thought it be good for the confused ones thinking of buying. hope this explains a little better
So your looking to pick up a HTC Desire of eBay reasonably soon.
Is there any difference between Aus (delivered/imported 8181 Desires on eBay) vs NextG 8183 branded HTC Desires sold on eBay ?
because The NextG 8183 ones on eBay are currently fetching approx $100 more than none NextG 8181 Branded ones.
Q:
Is there any difference between Aus delivered/imported Desires (on eBay) vs NextG branded HTC Desires sold on eBay. From what I can tell they should all support the same frequency space, so there shouldnt be any difference.
A:
There are two different models of Desire....
Telstra sells one that supports UMTS 850/2100 The actual Telstra Next G branded ones have got some Telstra "Apps" loaded into the ROM which cannot be easily removed, however they are simply links to Telstra services. They are unlocked.
Models sourced overseas usually support UMTS 900/2100, which won't work on NextG.
Pick wisely.
Q:
The NextG Versions will still operate on Optus/Voda/etc right? The frequency ranges all seems to match up. Some online stores are selling NextG and none NextG versions, just dont want to shoot myself in the foot.
A:
Yes, the Next G version will work on Optus 3G, but only in metro areas. It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas, meaning outside city, you'll only get 2G.
It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas
Hmmm ok, thats weird because according to the HTC Site (and this is where im getting confused) with all the "Exclusive to Telstra NextG" Branding, it supports the following
HSPA/WCDMA:
* Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
* Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Q:
Do they cripple the NextG version and rip out the 900mhz ?
A:
Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Those are GSM frequencies, not UMTS.
To make it abundantly clear:
Telstra specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Optus specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 900/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G is around the world but Yes the US carrier At&T use it..
To help you, AT&T use the 850MHZ band while the other mobiles providers (ie T-Mobile) all use the 900 etc if you are grey importing a US phone the rule of thumb is if the phone works on AT&T then it will work on Telstra 3G network..
Telstra have two different 3G networks and they are 'branded' differently, yet they are both technically 3G at the end of the day.
1. Telstra 3G = 2100mhz, is only implemented in metropolian areas.
2. Telstra NextG = 850mhz, is implemented Australia wide and superceeds their 2100mhz implementation.
As you can see they are both 3G. The NextG branded product has more bandwith available to it, (not that 2100 doesn't have enough, just the way Telstra's implementation is).
Speed wise, telstra do have the fastest network, but in time, others will catch up. NextG is not some magical creative, even if Telstra subtly make you think that.
The issue with handsets is that they either come in 850/2100 variants (i.e compable on Telstra 850 3G) or 900/2100 variants (compatible with other networks in australia including the Telstra 3g branded service on the 2100 network).
Futher, this is not to be confused with similar GSM frequencies (then you get 2G coverage)
Q:
So is NextG just better coverage, or is it faster too? I was lead to believe there was a speed increase.
A:
Both.
The downside to having more coverage and web speed, is being stuck with Telstra..
If you have voda or Optus, you need the desire A8181.. if you're with Telstra you need the A8183
I have Optus meaning my phone model is A8181 & it's $100+ cheaper
CHEERS:
This is well written explanation, I'm sure it/has helped many ;-)
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Rural coverage for HTC Desire with 3 Mobile
I just want to clarify if the same is applicable with 3 Mobile as Voda have meraged. I'm a 3 customer and I'm moving to Trentham, Victoria. 3 and Voda have said there would be call and text coverage only in the area. 3 is bringing out the Desire later this month but I don't know which one. I've been told there's more Telstra towers in the area but will not swap suppliers as I have a good plan from when they were Orange. Thanx for the help.
If you get an 81 and use telstra, it will be slower.
if you get an 83 and use a Non-telstra network, it will be slower.
If you get an 83 on telstra, Root and grab T-Mod.
Simple! XD
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Hi there.
I am confused. I am thinking of getting A8183 and am a vodafone user. Will 3g work for me?
I'm pretty sure it says above only in metro areas mate
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www.vodafone.com.au/personal/aboutvodafone/network/network-850/index.htm
vodafone going 850mHz
I have the 8183, rooted and running on LiveConnected (Optus). I have very little drama with mobile internet, regardless where I use my phone around Cairns.
I find I get drop outs if I venture too far west, but north to Pt Douglas/Mossman, inland to Atherton Tablelands/Millaa Millaa/Malanda and all the way south to Townsville (including Hinchinbrook region), signal is strong and on song.
I have never understood people that gripe about their 8183s not working properly on other networks...unless they happen to live in Oodnadatta, there should not be an issue.
I picked up the A8181 in Hong Kong and am having some difficulty getting the handset to get any sort of high speed.
I've read through a few threads saying that not having the 3G/H icons is, simply, an icon issue. However, in my case, I can only get E (EDGE).
*#*#INFO#*#* -> Phone Info shows a Network type = EDGE
I have set the APN for Rogers/internet.com.
Any thoughts? Any successful Rogers users here?
Go to you Mobile Network setting and try to choose WCDMA only Network
I'm on Rogers too (well, fido) and i got the A8183 model because I know Rogers does not support 3G on the 900+2100mhz spectrum. I went through this crap with my Xperia X1i, but luckily Rogers activated 3G on the 1900mhz band to take advantage of visitors during the 2010 Winter Olympics (roaming data rates anyone?)
I may be wrong, but i'd say the future looks bleak for your 8181 on Rogers 3G. The A8183 works though, as it's from Telstra in Australia.
Do let us know if you end up getting it to work though!
Cheers
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I'm afraid the A8181 wont work on Rogers/Telus/Bell 3G. Those networks use the 850/1900 MHz bands for 3G whereas the A8181 is 900/2100 (Wind Mobile uses those I believe)
For 3G on Rogers you'll have to get the A8183 Telstra model (as mentioned earlier )
Hello
I purchased this SonyEricsson Arc S on eBay. The seller was in Hong Kong.
On the ebay listing it states that the phone uses the following frequencies:
• 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
• 3G Network HSDPA 2100
I can get service in Perth, Western Australia but I work up near Karratha in the NorthWest part of the state. I lose service as soon as I get off the plane in Karratha.
I went to the Sony forum and they suggested that it may be a hardware fault so I sent the phone back to the seller and he sent it back to China and then back to me but it has made no difference to the problem.
I found an article on the web that says that the Telstra Next G works on the UMTS 850 network. Is it possible to upgrade the firmware on the phone to make it use the UMTS 850 network (the eBay listing says it uses the 3G Network HSDPA 2100).
Can anyone provide any other advice that may help me to determine what the problem may be with the phone and why I can’t get reception up here? Thanks
Daniel
I found an article (see below).
Looks like Telstra Next G used on remote areas uses UMTS 850.
Mine has:
• 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
• 3G Network HSDPA 2100
That would explain why I have reception in Perth (Telstra also uses GSM900 and GSM1800 to cover 96% of the population), but to cover 99% of the population (up here around Karratha) I need UMTS 850.
"Global System for Mobile - GSM
GSM 850 = Will not work in Australia as there is no GSM 850 network
GSM 900 = Standard for Optus, vodafone and Telstra GSM handsets
GSM 1800 = Standard for Optus, vodafone and Telstra GSM handsets
GSM 1900 = Will not work in Australia as there is no GSM 1900 network
In terms of GSM 900 networks:
Telstra provides 96% population coverage
Optus provides 96.5% population coverage
Vodafone provides 94.5% population coverage (this is extended to 96% population coverage via Telstra GSM national Roaming Agreement in regional Tasmainia and regional Victoria)
Technically Three (3) also provide 96% population coverage via Telstra GSM national Roaming Agreement, how? several GSM 900/1800 handsets do accept the Three (3) SIM card for service provision, also if you have a 3G handset (UMTS2100/GSM900/1800) you can set the network settings to GSM only and thus get Telstra GSM coverage.
Wideband Code Division Multiple Access - WCDMA (a.k.a 3G UMTS and 3G HSDPA)
Due to Telstra irresponsibility in naming their own outright 3G network NextG they have indeed confused the entire market place (not to worry Optus are not far behind with yesG and i cant wait to see what Vodafone call their extended regional 3G network)
Ok lets take a look at 3G.
Telstra 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage
Optus 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 80% population coverage
Vodafone 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage
Three (3) 3G = UMTS 2100 which provides 60% population coverage
now the hard part:
Telstra NextG = UMTS 850 which provides 99% population coverage
Optus yesG = UMTS 900 which extends the current Optus 3G UMTS 2100 population coverage from 80% to 96% population coverage (an increase of 16%) Optus will eventully drop the brand name Optus 3G and use the brand name Optus yesG once their entire population footprint reaches 98.2% (which will be around july 2010 at current rate)
Vodafone?
The new regional UMTS 900 network was supposed to be up and running this month (January 2009), however they announced in october 2008 that the network builder Ericsson was taking time to get it bug free so their new regional extension network will probaly come online sometime around June or July 2009, which will extend their current 3G population coverage (which is UMTS 2100) to 95%.
Ok now that all that BS is out of the way to answer the question:
In the USA only one major provider has UMTS 850, and that provider is AT&T (used to be known as Cingular).
In Canada the big UMTS 850 provider is Rodges Mobile.
So essentailly a 3G UMTS 850 handset from those two providers will work here (provided they are unlocked)
Or the other way round is when buying from the USA simply ask, what network band they use for 3G.
If its UMTS 1800, nope wont work here
if its GSM 850, again wont work here
If its GSM 1900 again wont work here
If its CDMA 800 or CDMA 1900, again wont work here
So what your looking for is UMTS 850.
Also you wont find any UMTS 900 handsets in USA and Canada as they dont use UMTS 900 there."
You had to get an American version of the device.. now you cant do anything about it i guess
Sent from my Xperia Pro using XDA
You can't add a particular band unless it was there to begin with. It's hardware, not a software issue.
Your best bet would be to see if any of the other providers use the same bands as the phone. (It's unlikely though; Telstra has the largest network and most other providers are leasing their lines).
Swyped from my SE Xperia arc (LT15i) using Tapatalk 2
If you really wanna do something to make it work.. then pull out the radio from your phone and replace it with the one which comes in the American edition.. then flash the baseband for american version for your device.. and then ka-boom.. everything works..
But i dont think you are going to do that..
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i also work in the north west (Karatha, Exmouth, ect ect...), i am on vodafone i have never had an issue with my phone. have you done a scan with the phone to detecct any networks up there? did you get anything?
Pvy.