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HTC DESIRE 8181 V's 8183 NEXT G DESIRE:

i found this on another forum. thought it be good for the confused ones thinking of buying. hope this explains a little better
So your looking to pick up a HTC Desire of eBay reasonably soon.
Is there any difference between Aus (delivered/imported 8181 Desires on eBay) vs NextG 8183 branded HTC Desires sold on eBay ?
because The NextG 8183 ones on eBay are currently fetching approx $100 more than none NextG 8181 Branded ones.
Q:
Is there any difference between Aus delivered/imported Desires (on eBay) vs NextG branded HTC Desires sold on eBay. From what I can tell they should all support the same frequency space, so there shouldnt be any difference.
A:
There are two different models of Desire....
Telstra sells one that supports UMTS 850/2100 The actual Telstra Next G branded ones have got some Telstra "Apps" loaded into the ROM which cannot be easily removed, however they are simply links to Telstra services. They are unlocked.
Models sourced overseas usually support UMTS 900/2100, which won't work on NextG.
Pick wisely.
Q:
The NextG Versions will still operate on Optus/Voda/etc right? The frequency ranges all seems to match up. Some online stores are selling NextG and none NextG versions, just dont want to shoot myself in the foot.
A:
Yes, the Next G version will work on Optus 3G, but only in metro areas. It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas, meaning outside city, you'll only get 2G.
It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas
Hmmm ok, thats weird because according to the HTC Site (and this is where im getting confused) with all the "Exclusive to Telstra NextG" Branding, it supports the following
HSPA/WCDMA:
* Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
* Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Q:
Do they cripple the NextG version and rip out the 900mhz ?
A:
Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Those are GSM frequencies, not UMTS.
To make it abundantly clear:
Telstra specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Optus specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 900/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G is around the world but Yes the US carrier At&T use it..
To help you, AT&T use the 850MHZ band while the other mobiles providers (ie T-Mobile) all use the 900 etc if you are grey importing a US phone the rule of thumb is if the phone works on AT&T then it will work on Telstra 3G network..
Telstra have two different 3G networks and they are 'branded' differently, yet they are both technically 3G at the end of the day.
1. Telstra 3G = 2100mhz, is only implemented in metropolian areas.
2. Telstra NextG = 850mhz, is implemented Australia wide and superceeds their 2100mhz implementation.
As you can see they are both 3G. The NextG branded product has more bandwith available to it, (not that 2100 doesn't have enough, just the way Telstra's implementation is).
Speed wise, telstra do have the fastest network, but in time, others will catch up. NextG is not some magical creative, even if Telstra subtly make you think that.
The issue with handsets is that they either come in 850/2100 variants (i.e compable on Telstra 850 3G) or 900/2100 variants (compatible with other networks in australia including the Telstra 3g branded service on the 2100 network).
Futher, this is not to be confused with similar GSM frequencies (then you get 2G coverage)
Q:
So is NextG just better coverage, or is it faster too? I was lead to believe there was a speed increase.
A:
Both.
The downside to having more coverage and web speed, is being stuck with Telstra..
If you have voda or Optus, you need the desire A8181.. if you're with Telstra you need the A8183
I have Optus meaning my phone model is A8181 & it's $100+ cheaper
CHEERS:

This is well written explanation, I'm sure it/has helped many ;-)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Rural coverage for HTC Desire with 3 Mobile
I just want to clarify if the same is applicable with 3 Mobile as Voda have meraged. I'm a 3 customer and I'm moving to Trentham, Victoria. 3 and Voda have said there would be call and text coverage only in the area. 3 is bringing out the Desire later this month but I don't know which one. I've been told there's more Telstra towers in the area but will not swap suppliers as I have a good plan from when they were Orange. Thanx for the help.

If you get an 81 and use telstra, it will be slower.
if you get an 83 and use a Non-telstra network, it will be slower.
If you get an 83 on telstra, Root and grab T-Mod.
Simple! XD
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Hi there.
I am confused. I am thinking of getting A8183 and am a vodafone user. Will 3g work for me?

I'm pretty sure it says above only in metro areas mate
Sent from my CM7.1 Desire using XDA App

www.vodafone.com.au/personal/aboutvodafone/network/network-850/index.htm
vodafone going 850mHz

I have the 8183, rooted and running on LiveConnected (Optus). I have very little drama with mobile internet, regardless where I use my phone around Cairns.
I find I get drop outs if I venture too far west, but north to Pt Douglas/Mossman, inland to Atherton Tablelands/Millaa Millaa/Malanda and all the way south to Townsville (including Hinchinbrook region), signal is strong and on song.
I have never understood people that gripe about their 8183s not working properly on other networks...unless they happen to live in Oodnadatta, there should not be an issue.

Desire without 3G :(

hi everybody .. i just got HTC Desire for my wife and we have this phone for 2 days now .The phone don't read 3G and when i checked the network info the phone read EDGE and when i checked my nexus at same time i seen the network UMTS . so what i can do make this desire read 3G

Check your carrier's APN setting.
Menu->Settings->Wireless & networks->Mobile Network Settings->Access Point Names

You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.

tsekh501 said:
You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.
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Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks

NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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There is, as I said above, the A8183. It works only with AT&T's 3G though.

i have the A8183 And works fine on at&t 3g i will sell if you are interested or anyone for that matter..
$550

NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave
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Most Europe/Asian carriers only use 2100 band for 3G, so as long as your phone supports that band (most GSM phones do) you can get 3G on their network.
T-Mobile USA on the other hand, requires BOTH 1700 & 2100 bands support in order for your phone to get 3G on their network. For a long time, T-Mobile USA was the ONLY carrier in the world that use 1700 band for 3G, and therefore if a phone was not carried by T-Mobile USA it didn't have 1700 3G band support (it doesn't need to because no other carrier in the world used it). Well, lately a new Canadian wireless carrier, Wind, also employs the 1700 & 2100 bands for their 3G network... so the chance of getting more phones to support these 3G bands has slightly increased. Slightly, because Wind is a new and small carrier...

[Q] Telstra Next G network with foreign Desire

Hi,
I have a HTC Desire that I bought in France with Orange. The phone is now unlocked and rooted, with a LeeDroid 1.8 rom.
I'm currently in Australia with a Telstra sim card and it seems I can't use the Next G. I have the HSDPA in few cities like Sydney, but everywhere else it's only Edge.
Does someone know if my phone is able to access the Next G ? And if yes, how to do it ?
Thanks a lot !
Antoine

Looks like you bought a Desire without 850MHz. Out of luck I'm afraid. The "Next G" you are seeing is 2100MHz which your phone supports but in rural areas Telstra uses 850MHz.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Is your Desire a A8181 or a A8183? The 83 denotes Telstra NextG 850mhz support.
If you have an 81, you will get 3G signal on every carrier except Telstra. If you have the 83, you only get 3G (NextG or 3.5G) on Telstra.

Yeah I have an A8181 so it explains why it doesn't works.
Thanks for your help guys !

arrow224 said:
Is your Desire a A8181 or a A8183? The 83 denotes Telstra NextG 850mhz support.
If you have an 81, you will get 3G signal on every carrier except Telstra. If you have the 83, you only get 3G (NextG or 3.5G) on Telstra.
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Well, same problem for me !
I have a 81 and had chosen Telstra for the nextg and the cover...
The 850mhz support is software or hardware ?
Is it possible to do something on my desire to be able to use the NextG network ?
Cheers,
Quentin

No.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Your best bet is to use one of the other carriers in AUS such as Optus, Vodafone or 3.
The 850 Mhz radio is hardware based, and your phone has 900 Mhz radio.

3 doesn't support 900, I think Voda are deploying 850(but don't know how far their UMTS currently extends on 900) so the only long term alternative to a new handset would be Optus.

[Q] 3G not working on AT&T US on DHD bought in Singapore

Hello Guys,
I am new to this forum and need some help with my DHD which I bought in Singapore.
I am using it in US with AT&T and unfortunately I am not getting 3G eventhough i have 3G service. I am getting EDGE after setting up the APN. Please let me know if there is a way to get this phone working on 3G. I have already called HTC and AT&T and they mentioned that there might be difference in the frequencies.
Thanks

DHD UMTS (3g) is 900/2100 MHz, check what your carrier provides.
My particular carrier in Thailand, TRUE, only broadcasts 850 UMTS, others here use 900/1900/2100.
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[Q] T-Mobile & Desire Revolution HD/12.54.60.25_26.09.04.11_M2 Radio

Hi everyone,
Was wondering if anyone was having problems with the following setup:
- Desire HD running Android Revolution HD 5.1.7 (will update later)
- T-Mobile
- 12.54.60.25_26.09.04.11_M2 Radio
Since flashing this radio/upgrading to this version of the Revolution HD rom about 10 days ago I've noticed a huge performance boost from the battery. However I think the radio is causing problems as I'm unable to send/receive MMS messages or have any 3G/HSDPA signal..
I've been over in Canada and noticed I was unable to get 3G speeds and was always stuck on Edge. I put this down to being in another country and Fido said I had the European version of the phone which wasn't compatible with their data network. I was a bit surprised because I figured the phone was compatible with all frequencies (as covered on the Tech Specs page of htc.com)but I'm not sure whether that lists the frequencies for say the "European" version of the phone *and* the "North American" version of the phone..

HSPA Frequencies in Europe (PCS): 900 / 2100
HSPA Frequencies in North America (PCS): 850 / 1900
The Telus DHD and Inspire 4G are the exact same device internally, the only difference is the "AT&T" in chrome on the metal housing rather than "HTC" on it for the Inspire 4G.
Every other DHD will not support north american bands, thats why you're limited to EDGE, since its the highest GSM gets (which supports the north american frequencies since that radio controller is quadband)
Not only that, but apn settings need to be entered for any data to work correctly (even if the frequencies are supported)
The general HTC Webpage shows the European/Asian frequency support of the phone, unless you choose a north american portal (US/Can)

JSLEnterprises said:
HSPA Frequencies in Europe (PCS): 900 / 2100
HSPA Frequencies in North America (PCS): 850 / 1900
The Telus DHD and Inspire 4G are the exact same device internally, the only difference is the "AT&T" in chrome on the metal housing rather than "HTC" on it for the Inspire 4G.
Every other DHD will not support north american bands, thats why you're limited to EDGE, since its the highest GSM gets (which supports the north american frequencies since that radio controller is quadband)
Not only that, but apn settings need to be entered for any data to work correctly (even if the frequencies are supported)
The general HTC Webpage shows the European/Asian frequency support of the phone, unless you choose a north american portal (US/Can)
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Thanks for the response.
..Just realised I forgot to finish the post! (I'm blaming Jetlag).
..Anyway I got back to the UK on Thursday and have been unable to get 3G/MMS since I returned. I've walked all around the city today and at no point have I got anything other than Edge or GPRS coverage.
I've checked all the APN settings etc and all is fine.