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I hope I am welcome here even though I don't own an XDA.
So if someone (or more than one) that already has WM5, can give a few answers to us people just waiting to see WM5 on their machine, please do.
No more blah blah, here are the questions:
1) A clean (after hard reset) device BEFORE WM5 and AFTER, felt the same "speed"? (I am not saying it would be indeed slower or faster, but you know, the feeling you get from the GUI)
2) Memory... many things to ask here (the really interesting part)
a) Is the infamous memory slider (in "memory" settings) still there in WM5? A screenshot would be nice.
b) How much RAM ("total main" as WM2k3 calls it in "memory" settings) and how much internal storage (I don't know how it's called for XDA) was available BEFORE and AFTER upgrade?
c) You can still install software in RAM or not? What changes when choosing install location? Can you still select "default" (and where does this install the program?), internal storage and memory cards when installing?
So w.t.f. is that with the new memory model? Does it have any effect on anything? This is the most confusing part.
3) XDA has bluetooth right? WIFI? (sorry I don't remember) For both, there was a Microsoft bug (more or less in ALL wireless capable devices) that could lead you to not be able to turn on one of the wireless (or both), because the stack kept for the driver(s) was full and a soft reset was needed. Is this still an issue?
Thank you in advance. As you understand what needs clearing out mostly, is this thing with memory and storage...
1) A clean (after hard reset) device BEFORE WM5 and AFTER, felt the same "speed"? (I am not saying it would be indeed slower or faster, but you know, the feeling you get from the GUI
Answer: I found the device little slower on clean startup than on clean win2003-2003SE (Note: There are some new additional startup processes in win5 like BTIcon,SMSreceiver,Bpinsert) ..I can do some benchmark and upload results tomorrow.
Memory:
a) Is the infamous memory slider (in "memory" settings) still there in WM5? A screenshot would be nice.
Answer: There is no memory slider anymore. This means you cannot allocate manually more or less memory.
b) How much RAM ("total main" as WM2k3 calls it in "memory" settings) and how much internal storage (I don't know how it's called for XDA) was available BEFORE and AFTER upgrade?
Himalayas model (known as XDA2-MDA2) have 64Mbx2 RAM+16Mb Storage+16Mb Extended ROM+ROM.Read Wiki for more informations related to memory allocation on Himalayas devices.
In Win2k3 RAM usable was 125mb,on Win5 118.34mb.
Like I said before there is no slider to adjust memory but a user made avaiable a program that let you partition memory as you like,
(Example: you can allocate 100Mb for Program usage and only 18Mb to Storage).
Also we have found 10Mb or more free memory from ROM that can be used as Backup-storage or whatever you like,by re-allocaing it.
c) You can still install software in RAM or not? What changes when choosing install location? Can you still select "default" (and where does this install the program?), internal storage and memory cards when installing?
Answer: Yes,you can still install software to:
-RAM (Storage part)
-Storage
-Extended Rom (if unlocked and unhided)
-Storage Card
Now it is present an installation manager that let you choose the install location.
So w.t.f. is that with the new memory model? Does it have any effect on anything? This is the most confusing part.
Answer: Basically the memory have another format now and after a Battery power loss all the Data remains intact.
The Win5 registry sets the last default settings on every Soft-reset (until you disable this feature).
3) XDA has bluetooth right? WIFI? (sorry I don't remember) For both, there was a Microsoft bug (more or less in ALL wireless capable devices) that could lead you to not be able to turn on one of the wireless (or both), because the stack kept for the driver(s) was full and a soft reset was needed. Is this still an issue?
Answer: No native Wi-Fi for Himalayas model.But works with SDIO Card.
New program on settings/power/wireless let you choose what Radio activate without any encountered bugs till now.
Microsoft Bluetooth Stack was greatly improved by less power consumption,new menu to COM Ports.
thanks man
this mostly answers my questions although the new memory thing is still not very clear
you say you can still install in RAM's "storage" part, but this is not official but can be done with the program from the user you talk about? (where is this btw?)
or there is still a RAM "storage" part like in WM2k3?
as for the power loss thing... you mean even RAM "storage" contents remain? sure?
sorry, I may sound stupid but believe me the confusion is common to everyone that hasn't seen WM5 yet (so I dare be stupid and help others not to be)
thanks again
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.
decebal said:
Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.
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What for???????????????????
Because this is the most slowest PDA I holded ever in my hand.
I totally dissapointed with it.
If I install my main programs - not more - the free RAM will be maximum 23-24MB (after a hard reset it is 30-32MB), but when I use it, it decreases itself without any program running.
I start from 22.5MB after softreset, and when I use some programs it decreases (it's normal), but when I close them it is less time after time. So it is not enough to close a program. After 5-10 minutes with starting and closing some program it is 10-12MB free RAM memory without any program running!!!!!!
And what is my problem with it?
Hmmm....
For example a little complicated application (a navigation software) needs 10-15MB minimum.
So if you are lucky, you can start the program, but not more.
Don't imagine that you can use 2 or 3 (or forgive me 4) application simultanously.
That's very nice, isn't it?
Any idea to solve this sh*t?
THX
Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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Hi
Asukal already mounted 128MB RAM on mother board.
But unsuccessfull. Memory area does not change.
Storage card
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan
Re: Storage card
WizzarD-me said:
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan
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You are in a total misunderstanding, sorry.
Though there are slots for extra 32MB each it cannot b upgraded as the occupied slots are differrent than those which are left empty.Hv tried desoldering the RAM but after desoldering this fact was revealed..so
not possible as of now
I totally agree with Thunder2210 and others that there is a sever shortage of RAM (Program Memory) on this device.
Installing programs on SD card has nothing to do with the available RAM (Program Memory to be more precise). Installing programs on SD card only saves you the ROM (Storage Memory) which is not an issue anyways. The main problem is program memory and as rightly said by some in this thread that this gradually depletes as you work with your device after a soft reset. Try to open a very large web page such as the ones which review pocket pc devices with a lot of comparative pictures and your browser will soon run short of memory ultimately freezing your device.
However I fear that nothing can be done about this. This is probably an issue or limitation that Windows mobile 2005 operating system cannot address memory beyond 64 MB. Probably this is the reason that you must have seen recent devices where the Storage Memory (ROM) is higher than 128 MB but nothing is done about the RAM which remains at 64 MB. Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
srmz said:
Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM
srmz said:
Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.
512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Tuningszocske said:
peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.
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Check this out........I think U will like:
http://www.mobile88.com/mobilegalle...dvance_tech_magic&pg=spec&prodid=20145&cat=58
Hm... From what do You think we will like it? It has QVGA display. We wrote that one of the most important things is VGA-screen for us. But thanx anyway!
512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Its just the Memory on the ROM..., maybe they will have a VGA screen soon...
lack of ram on Universal
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen
Re: lack of ram on Universal
Yetster said:
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen
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Can U please fix the link, it does not work.
i know from my expreiance with BA WM5 rom editing that just soldering the ram on the board is not enough, you will need to find the hex values in the (decrypted) rom file that decideds how much ram the system partitions for itself on boot.
e.g - in BA wm5 roms you can edit these values so that some of the ram is left unpartitioned, leaving it free to be used as a ramdisk.
I see no reason why if someone found these values in a universal rom, combined with soldering on extra ramchips, they could reverse the process and increase the memory windows uses.
www.oesf.org/forums
PocketPenguin. Current plan:
imx31 533mhz ARM11 CPU with internal GPU and FPU
256mb MDDR266
2 SD slots, ATA, Phone (Although this is becoming more useless by the day it seems, looks like the Videocall option is being dropped. Which is 80% of the reason I want the thing. (I want Videocalls but hate Windows Mobile)
Go, Sign up, and put in your requests and comments, Looks to be about $600-$700 total, Although you have to put it together. It's a DIY thing, (Loopholes are so great XD)
for this, I've send a mail to PocketPCTechs.com here it is
Hi LB,
Unfortunately we do not offer any RAM upgrades for the iMATE JASJAR. The nature of the CPU will not recognize any more memory.
Best regards,
Martina
PocketPCTechs
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Computer_Make : IMATE
Computer_Model : JASJAR(Dopod900)
Comments : Hi there, I've sent my HX4700 to you for upgrading the RAM and it works great since it's back. I recently purchased an IMATE-JASJAR,so just wondering do you have any plan that to upgrade its RAM to 128MB/256MB? I really need a biger speace. Please let me know,thanks.
best,
LB.
Greetings to all. For me in excellent under all characteristics HTC3300 there is only one unpleasant moment. After installation of all necessary programs there is no more of free memory than 24 mbyte. It is not enough for my needs. Even the program iGO cannot normally work with such memory size and takes off.
Somebody can help to solve to me this trouble and to release in RAM some mbyte? PLEASE!
The usual technique is to use an external memory card (well, sort of external. Not really very external on the Artmenis, but you know what I mean) to install your apps and only have the absolute minimum of apps installed in the actually device memory.
Take care of anything that needs to run at boot time, however, as it can frequently fail to start owing to the SD card driver being loaded late in the boot process.
Should be fine with SatNav however. Not familiar with iGo, but TomTom only takes a few hundred kbytes of internal storage, with the rest stored on the SD card.
Daern
thank you, but I know these common truths also itself. The decision on clearing RAM, hammered by the preestablished programs (or still than) from developers from HTC is interesting to me.
It's either you are doing something wrong or you really have a lot of programs installed and/or running. Remember that in a mobile device the closed programs are not released from memory and thus stay memory resident. You'll need a 3rd party program or go to Settings - System - Memory - Running programs to totally close the programs.
Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
all materials are public.
andykha said:
Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
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I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
fdp24 said:
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
all materials are public.
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Stick me, please, into these open materials. I could not see anywhere how to reduce or simply to change a set preestablished programs in my ROM since it is closed. And even in item anything is not present "Setting-system-removal of programs" for editing besides that I established.
And in russian:
Ткни меня носом, пожалуйста, в эти открытые материалы. Я нигде не смог увидеть, как уменьшить или просто изменить набор предустановленных программ в своей прошивке, т.к. она закрыта. И даже в пункте "Настройки-Система-Удаление программ" ничего нет для редактирования, кроме того, что устанавливал я сам.
zerimar said:
I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
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Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
Most probably this is what you are experiencing. Check out this thread hopefully to give you some idea. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287000.
you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
fdp24 said:
you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
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A personal thanks from the bottom of my heart, helped as well helped.
andykha said:
Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
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Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
Becas said:
Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
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The matter is that at me RAM it is loaded by not working programs, and traces from installed programs (how to close current programs, I know). And my opinion, that loading on RAM is created first of all by booting HTC3300.
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Then I'm the next that is going to complain I also got a HTC P3300 and after a Hard Reset I have only 30 MB free RAM. The only programs I'm running is Wisbar Advance, SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Diary. In some reviews online I read something about over 40 MB, that would be perfect for me since I need 30 for my navigation software and 10 MB for my Shell und so on.
I've tried programs like SK Tools to free up RAM but that takes a loooong time and stops at about 25 MB, without that I have about 20. I hope someone a solution for that. I have a German P3300, don't know if that matters at all.
Hmm I never had 40Mb's of free ram. After a soft reset I have 26mb at most. After a few days the memory is down to 20mb.
what nav software do you use? tomtom and igo, for example, can be run from the card.
I use Klicktel, that's a German navigation software with white and yellow pages. So TomTom simply doesn't compare to that. It needs at least 20 MB, 30 is perfect.
But maybe I simply misunderstand a few things about Win Mobile 5, I used to have 2003 SE and was able to use the slider in the memory settings. When I install applications onto the device it gets installed in the flash memory which is not used as program memory, right? Cause I installed 4-5 programs to the device and I checked my main memory after evey installation and it didn't go down. After I soft resetted my device and the programs started (Wisbar Advance + SPB progs.) the memory went down to 20.
With my old TaskManager I was able to see all processes that were running but it doesn't seem to be compatible with Version 5 since there were only applications, no processes. I was wondering why this device has only 20-30 MB left of 64 MB, what did HTC do to the device? I could imagine that the phone part takes up some RAM, maybe 5 MB but what consumes to other 30 MB???
what to do to increase the main memory?
closing programs rather then minimizing them
and maybe stopping auto started programs by removing
their shortcuts in \windows\startup
are your only options
unless there are more empty mem spaces on the pcb like on universal
Thank you for the answer, but what I wanted to know is the way off increase the memory physically.
Thanks
Gift said:
Thank you for the answer, but what I wanted to know is the way off increase the memory physically.
Thanks
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there isn't a way to increase the memory. If you change the ROM, you may end up with more free (depends on which ROM, each one uses a different amount of memory).
"Thank you for the answer, but what I wanted to know is the way off increase the memory physically.
Thanks"
yes thats what i ment by
"unless there are more empty mem spaces on the pcb like on universal"
very few htc devices which been able to upgrade mem
and those that have only if one was handy at solvering smd components
and making a custom rom which was able to see the new mem
which one had to stick with and not upgrade to newer rom versions
unless they too was custom made to see the new mem
at the end of the day it could be more trouble then it was worth
and be more pricy then the artemis was worth
For increase recording memory of HTC P3300 Artemis
Hello!!!
In my HTC P3300 I have this situation: recording memory total 32.45MB and Used 27.12MB (Free only 5,33MB); Program Memory total 47.90MB and Used 26.00MB (free 21,90MB).I don't understand because all the new programs are installed only in the recording memory and not in program memory.
I have the problem of recording memory.When i'm installing a new program, i can doing in external micro sd card?or in program memory?I think is not possible.
In My HTC P3300 working this program: Tom Tom 6.030 west europe map;Swissgeo map: Phone phad Dark; Opera 9.5 beta.When i use opera for internet my HTC show the message :recording memory full.I haved erase sms, MMS and E-mail message and i have only 5,33MB. (before installing of opera 9.5 i have'd 12MB free).
I want ask if is possible erase a part of program that not cause error (for example in TOM TOM i use the Italian language,is possible erase the france language or other).
Excuse me for my English not very well.
Thank you very much.
Hi there, I just browsing thru all the created threads,....about increasing the memory ....it will increased if we flash our rom thhru our SD card rite?....the base will be the capacity of the SD card....to run an application will be much more smoother....with high RAM....isnt it.?
Hello:
I have a phone with WM6.1, and it only uses for Programs 102.42MB of RAM. I think that the phone might have more physical RAM -- could someone possibly advise a non-destructive method for testing for more physical memory available and for getting WM to use it?
Thank you!
what phone is it, and most likelly the rest of the ram will be taken up by the radio and graphics.
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what phone is it, and most likelly the rest of the ram will be taken up by the radio and graphics.
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It is a HTY T3232. The very first version of the ROM said "RAM 192MB" under Settings->Device Info->Hardware" but the Program memory was as I've said above.
The latest ROM set the message to "RAM 128MB"; I've found where that value is set in the registry, and put it back to "192MB", but apparently it has no impact on the amount of Program memory.
Under "Settings->About" it says "Memory: 106.58 MB".