Greetings to all. For me in excellent under all characteristics HTC3300 there is only one unpleasant moment. After installation of all necessary programs there is no more of free memory than 24 mbyte. It is not enough for my needs. Even the program iGO cannot normally work with such memory size and takes off.
Somebody can help to solve to me this trouble and to release in RAM some mbyte? PLEASE!
The usual technique is to use an external memory card (well, sort of external. Not really very external on the Artmenis, but you know what I mean) to install your apps and only have the absolute minimum of apps installed in the actually device memory.
Take care of anything that needs to run at boot time, however, as it can frequently fail to start owing to the SD card driver being loaded late in the boot process.
Should be fine with SatNav however. Not familiar with iGo, but TomTom only takes a few hundred kbytes of internal storage, with the rest stored on the SD card.
Daern
thank you, but I know these common truths also itself. The decision on clearing RAM, hammered by the preestablished programs (or still than) from developers from HTC is interesting to me.
It's either you are doing something wrong or you really have a lot of programs installed and/or running. Remember that in a mobile device the closed programs are not released from memory and thus stay memory resident. You'll need a 3rd party program or go to Settings - System - Memory - Running programs to totally close the programs.
Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
all materials are public.
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Thanks, but I already wrote, what not the full idiot in this sphere. I have a program closing (really) the programs on a dagger.
Simply you look, how many free RAM by the pure machine З300?
Plus, have in view of, that any installed programs (even on a memorycard) always reduce the size of operative memory.
You do not see a problem simply because you have old, tested S100...
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I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
fdp24 said:
if don't want, don't install all software that comes during customisation phase.
about memory, you need to read a bit to understand how memory is allocated.
all materials are public.
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Stick me, please, into these open materials. I could not see anywhere how to reduce or simply to change a set preestablished programs in my ROM since it is closed. And even in item anything is not present "Setting-system-removal of programs" for editing besides that I established.
And in russian:
Ткни меня носом, пожалуйста, в эти открытые материалы. Я нигде не смог увидеть, как уменьшить или просто изменить набор предустановленных программ в своей прошивке, т.к. она закрыта. И даже в пункте "Настройки-Система-Удаление программ" ничего нет для редактирования, кроме того, что устанавливал я сам.
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I know English is not your mother tounge and it is very difficult to understand. We are all trying to help you out here. There are already quite a number of Artemis owners/users and no one has really complained about memory problems.
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Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
Most probably this is what you are experiencing. Check out this thread hopefully to give you some idea. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287000.
you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
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you can search and find all answers to your questions right here, in a forum.
just search.
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A personal thanks from the bottom of my heart, helped as well helped.
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Yes, it's true. Maybe no one complained because (or/and) :
1. Did not load the device so strongly.
2. Do not use it with resource modules (for example, iGO).
3. Simply Russian ROM borrows in RAM more places, than WWE.
There may be other options.
On my clear Artemis was no more RAM as 30 mb. And on your?
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Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
Becas said:
Well, I' ve 67 aplications installed in a 2gb microSD, Tomtom and Igo2006 too.
my free ram is 23,83Mb. Everything runs well. The CPU is overclocked to 247 Mhz with xcpuscalar2007.
I've an ETEN device too, the M600, with the same aplication set.The free ram is about 29Mb, ROM however is double than Artemis, and is a little faster too. As somebody said already here, there's a method explained in this forum that permit to avoid load the extended ROM. I didn't try yet. Perhaps in that way it wil be possible to have more ROM and RAM in the device.
I've noticed that some boot programs like todays plug-ins are not advisable to Artemis. To unload programs in ram I use the HTC_X-Button, is small and efficient.
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The matter is that at me RAM it is loaded by not working programs, and traces from installed programs (how to close current programs, I know). And my opinion, that loading on RAM is created first of all by booting HTC3300.
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Then I'm the next that is going to complain I also got a HTC P3300 and after a Hard Reset I have only 30 MB free RAM. The only programs I'm running is Wisbar Advance, SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Diary. In some reviews online I read something about over 40 MB, that would be perfect for me since I need 30 for my navigation software and 10 MB for my Shell und so on.
I've tried programs like SK Tools to free up RAM but that takes a loooong time and stops at about 25 MB, without that I have about 20. I hope someone a solution for that. I have a German P3300, don't know if that matters at all.
Hmm I never had 40Mb's of free ram. After a soft reset I have 26mb at most. After a few days the memory is down to 20mb.
what nav software do you use? tomtom and igo, for example, can be run from the card.
I use Klicktel, that's a German navigation software with white and yellow pages. So TomTom simply doesn't compare to that. It needs at least 20 MB, 30 is perfect.
But maybe I simply misunderstand a few things about Win Mobile 5, I used to have 2003 SE and was able to use the slider in the memory settings. When I install applications onto the device it gets installed in the flash memory which is not used as program memory, right? Cause I installed 4-5 programs to the device and I checked my main memory after evey installation and it didn't go down. After I soft resetted my device and the programs started (Wisbar Advance + SPB progs.) the memory went down to 20.
With my old TaskManager I was able to see all processes that were running but it doesn't seem to be compatible with Version 5 since there were only applications, no processes. I was wondering why this device has only 20-30 MB left of 64 MB, what did HTC do to the device? I could imagine that the phone part takes up some RAM, maybe 5 MB but what consumes to other 30 MB???
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Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.
decebal said:
Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.
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What for???????????????????
Because this is the most slowest PDA I holded ever in my hand.
I totally dissapointed with it.
If I install my main programs - not more - the free RAM will be maximum 23-24MB (after a hard reset it is 30-32MB), but when I use it, it decreases itself without any program running.
I start from 22.5MB after softreset, and when I use some programs it decreases (it's normal), but when I close them it is less time after time. So it is not enough to close a program. After 5-10 minutes with starting and closing some program it is 10-12MB free RAM memory without any program running!!!!!!
And what is my problem with it?
Hmmm....
For example a little complicated application (a navigation software) needs 10-15MB minimum.
So if you are lucky, you can start the program, but not more.
Don't imagine that you can use 2 or 3 (or forgive me 4) application simultanously.
That's very nice, isn't it?
Any idea to solve this sh*t?
THX
Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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Hi
Asukal already mounted 128MB RAM on mother board.
But unsuccessfull. Memory area does not change.
Storage card
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan
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WizzarD-me said:
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan
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You are in a total misunderstanding, sorry.
Though there are slots for extra 32MB each it cannot b upgraded as the occupied slots are differrent than those which are left empty.Hv tried desoldering the RAM but after desoldering this fact was revealed..so
not possible as of now
I totally agree with Thunder2210 and others that there is a sever shortage of RAM (Program Memory) on this device.
Installing programs on SD card has nothing to do with the available RAM (Program Memory to be more precise). Installing programs on SD card only saves you the ROM (Storage Memory) which is not an issue anyways. The main problem is program memory and as rightly said by some in this thread that this gradually depletes as you work with your device after a soft reset. Try to open a very large web page such as the ones which review pocket pc devices with a lot of comparative pictures and your browser will soon run short of memory ultimately freezing your device.
However I fear that nothing can be done about this. This is probably an issue or limitation that Windows mobile 2005 operating system cannot address memory beyond 64 MB. Probably this is the reason that you must have seen recent devices where the Storage Memory (ROM) is higher than 128 MB but nothing is done about the RAM which remains at 64 MB. Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM
srmz said:
Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.
512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Tuningszocske said:
peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.
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Check this out........I think U will like:
http://www.mobile88.com/mobilegalle...dvance_tech_magic&pg=spec&prodid=20145&cat=58
Hm... From what do You think we will like it? It has QVGA display. We wrote that one of the most important things is VGA-screen for us. But thanx anyway!
512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Its just the Memory on the ROM..., maybe they will have a VGA screen soon...
lack of ram on Universal
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen
Re: lack of ram on Universal
Yetster said:
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen
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Can U please fix the link, it does not work.
i know from my expreiance with BA WM5 rom editing that just soldering the ram on the board is not enough, you will need to find the hex values in the (decrypted) rom file that decideds how much ram the system partitions for itself on boot.
e.g - in BA wm5 roms you can edit these values so that some of the ram is left unpartitioned, leaving it free to be used as a ramdisk.
I see no reason why if someone found these values in a universal rom, combined with soldering on extra ramchips, they could reverse the process and increase the memory windows uses.
www.oesf.org/forums
PocketPenguin. Current plan:
imx31 533mhz ARM11 CPU with internal GPU and FPU
256mb MDDR266
2 SD slots, ATA, Phone (Although this is becoming more useless by the day it seems, looks like the Videocall option is being dropped. Which is 80% of the reason I want the thing. (I want Videocalls but hate Windows Mobile)
Go, Sign up, and put in your requests and comments, Looks to be about $600-$700 total, Although you have to put it together. It's a DIY thing, (Loopholes are so great XD)
for this, I've send a mail to PocketPCTechs.com here it is
Hi LB,
Unfortunately we do not offer any RAM upgrades for the iMATE JASJAR. The nature of the CPU will not recognize any more memory.
Best regards,
Martina
PocketPCTechs
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Computer_Make : IMATE
Computer_Model : JASJAR(Dopod900)
Comments : Hi there, I've sent my HX4700 to you for upgrading the RAM and it works great since it's back. I recently purchased an IMATE-JASJAR,so just wondering do you have any plan that to upgrade its RAM to 128MB/256MB? I really need a biger speace. Please let me know,thanks.
best,
LB.
Warning: This flash will overwrite your extended_rom!
This rom is very similar to my Dopod Lite (now D-Lite!, I just thought of it!) rom, however, this one is based on bepe's modified T-Mobile 3.6 rom, so it converts your extended_rom memory into additional storage memory. Until I can figure out exactly what bepe did and apply it to the D-Lite rom, I thought I'd put this out there for all you storage memory freaks. (You know who you are.) This is pretty much equivalent to my DopodLite V1.0, so you can read that thread for info about what it looks like, and what I've done to create it. I hope it proves to be just as stable.
Like the Dopod version, this is meant to be a stable, fast starting point for your own creativity. It's much easier to mix and match applications after flashing than before. If you get tired of a particular app, just remove it and try another. If you get tired of a particular skin, try a new look. There's plenty of stable, fast storage memory for loading your today screen utilities, phone apps, voice dialers, animated screens, etc, etc.
This rom does not have: Transcriber, voice dialer, catalog, error reporting, autoupdate, phone home (ceipui), games, calculator, some audio files and other odds and ends. It does include: Office 2007 (No OneNote. Thats not particularly useful unless you have it on your desktop, in which case it installs automatically anyway.), Java, .Net, all the Bluetooth and security stuff, MMS, Camera, and the rest of the basic functionality. If you want transcriber or a voice dialer or games feel free to add them. Ditto for the calculator, which needs replacing anyway.
At cold boot:
4mb page pool: 71.47 mb total storage, 67.10 mb free storage memory, 31.19 mb free program memory. If you delete the startup folder shortcuts, the program memory goes to 31.97 mb.
6mb page pool: 67.10 mb free storage, and program memory is 29.08, and 29.87 mb respectively.
T-Lite 4mb Rapidshare Link
T-Lite 6mb Rapidshare Link
Additional FTP mirror, courtesy of claymen
Enjoy!
Other Stuff
Functionality links:
Cingular 8525 keyboard fix
Cingular WAP settings
Lots of CABs
Lots more CABs
Lots of freeware
Can you make a screenshot of it m8
Great work btw!!
Re: screen shots
It looks just like the DopodLite, except the phone has a T-Mobile skin. I have some screen shots in the Dopod thread. (see my sig)
I'll try to put some here soon.
roms not bad just feedbacking from day of flashing roms thanx
edhaas... downloading now, wil give a run later on!
problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
update:
wifi is ok now after HR
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edward-riko said:
problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
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Hi Edward,
Got me nervous (I hadn't checked it), but I'm connected with my home network now. You may have to look up the registry setting to activate "G" capability if your home network is set up for "only G". (Or use a tweak utility that does it for you.) I'm running "G", with a linksys router with WAP, AES security. Works well.
Good luck!
Build No.
Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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Thanks
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Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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CE OS 5.2.1620 (build 18125.0.4.2)
To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds
Memory discussion!
alancstan said:
To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds
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Happy to help. Glad you're liking the rom. I'm not finding much different in feel from the D-Lite rom (which is a good thing). Everything is working well for me as well. HSPDA, a2dp, wireless stereo over wireless radio in sleep mode sounds great. No lockups so far. All my apps work as before.
Tutorial regarding memory: In this rom there are two types of built in memory, storage memory and program memory. They are physically different and cannot be interchanged via programming. In other roms, the storage memory is broken up and part if it is used as "extended_rom" which is meant to be hidden and used by carriers to put their particular customizations in, which are generally only used once after a hard-reset. This partition was about 10mb in size. Bepe has figured out a modification, which removes this partition and makes the user storage partition (where programs are stored, similar to a disk drive) correspondingly larger. Another partition is used to store the base programs which are "flashed" and include the operating system. Tadzio figured out how to move the boundary of this partition so that smaller roms will free up more storage memory as well.
So, end of history lesson. The storage memory is what is left after all of this, and is used as a "disk drive" equivalent, it is slower than the "program memory" which is like "ram" in your computer. However, storage memory is generally faster than SD card memory, and is preferred especially for "resident" or today screen type programs, because it's instantly available when you first turn on the device. Most of what I and others have done is to maximize the amount of this memory which is available to you, so you can fill it up with programs that load more quickly than if you put them in SD memory. In this rom that free space starts off at 71.47 mb, and then at start-up the operating system allocates some for it's own use, and in other roms customization programs loaded after cold reboot are loaded in there. So, in this rom there are actually 67mb available for the user to play with, which is a ton, and pretty much overkill for 99% of people including myself. As long as there are around 10mb free for the system, the device will work well.
Program memory is "ram". It is the fastest memory and programs in actual use are executed from there in chunks loaded from storage or SD card memory. It starts as 64mb, but the device uses a good chunk of it internally which we have no control over, and so reports the 51.02 mb as what is initially available. However, an additional chunk is used by the operating system, of around 15 mb, leaving the rest for us to actually use. The page pool, which is a buffer used between ram and storage memory comes out of this, as does the ram used by any start-up programs. Generally, as long as you have about 5 mb or so available, the device works pretty well.
[Edit: Addendum: In this rom I have removed error reporting and customer feedback, I'm having more difficulty removing the icons for them however. The other things you mention could be removed, but this would reduce functionality for folks who use those things, and would only add slightly to available storage memory, which as I stated above is already in the "overkill" category. I'll probably cut some more stuff in later versions as I gain experience with this rom, but I doubt there will be any noticeable difference in performance or usability.]
This is a bare-bones account, but hopefully will help you conceptualize things.
Best wishes, and enjoy!
Enjoy the silence!
Added addendum to above. Also I want to report over 50 downloads in less than 24 hours, and no real problems reported. Sounds like another quietly effective launch!
Enjoy your weekend!
Jbed Java MIDlet manager 20070622.2.1 installed but the manager application doesn't opens
edward
ROM hangs and then Hard Resets
Hi Edhaas,
I'm facing issues of Hard Resets.
This is already happenning twice in a day.
I do not have this issue using your last v1.2 versions.
Regards
Fei Yu
fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds
alancstan said:
fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds
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The device hangs randomly.... and once u do a softreset....
It then turns out it hard resets itself.
I'm not sure if its due to MortPlayer?
Anyone have this issue?
Regards
Never experience the problem u encountered... never install MortPlayer
Try running the rom without MortPlayer, c what happen!
rgds
@fychan, I run mortplayer and was going to flash this rom tonight.
What version of mortplayer are you running?
I am currently running 3.31b61 on edhaas's d-lite without issue.
However, on past roms (black 2.5 thru satin and sleuth's developer 2 and 3) I discovered that 3.31RC7 was more stable.
Perhaps downgrading might solve your issue.
fychan,
I can't seem to replicate your issue.
Are you running anything else that might be leading to your strange problem? I ran the latest mortplayer build, playing for a while, pausing, turning off and on, resetting... At no time did my machine reset itself.
BTW, from the little I did see, it looks like a fast little rom here. I can't keep it though as it has the sms/mms together.
So I am seeing all these wm 6.1 with very low amounts or ram in them. Is low ram the norm with 6.1? How do people get their ppc's to run properly with only 20 mb's of ram to start?
bartybet said:
So I am seeing all these wm 6.1 with very low amounts or ram in them. Is low ram the norm with 6.1? How do people get their ppc's to run properly with only 20 mb's of ram to start?
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I'll follow with a really ignorant question.. is there any way to shift the memory to program RAM vs storage? ie. I've got a 6G SDHC card.. I don't care about "bigstorage".. I'd rather see "bigRAM" builds.. but since I've never seen a single one, I'm guessing that isn't possible.. I suppose the flash ROM wouldn't have the write cycles to act as a RAM...
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is there any way to shift the memory to program RAM vs storage? ...
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Not that i know of past 2003 ppc's. But i find it odd that the cooked 6.0 roms all have close to 30 mb's of storage and these new ones cant crack 22 mb's. Odd.
bartybet said:
Not that i know of past 2003 ppc's. But i find it odd that the cooked 6.0 roms all have close to 30 mb's of storage and these new ones cant crack 22 mb's. Odd.
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I thought I remembered such a function from my X50v days..
For an in-depth discussion on this topic, you can start out with this thread. Don't be afraid to click on the links within for a very complete understanding of why Program Memory and Storage Space cannot be resized (unfortunately).
-pvs
Don't get it.
I really don't understand at all the drive for larger and larger storage. So what if you have 58MB of "Big Storage" on the device. With SDHC cards growing ever larger at lower costs, the issue, it seems to me, is not device storage as much as Free Program Memory.
I have looked with interest at the new 6.1 ROMs until I search through the posts and find that, at startup, the more desirable ones (with the features I would like), have Free Program Memory in the very low 20MB range. Just load PIE and another memory hog like an audio player and watch your memory drop to less than 4MB and your PIE freeze.
Sorry, I am running a 6.0 ROM with everything I like on it and have about 24MB at startup. I use FreeUp RAM a couple times a day to recover Program Memory and everything is fine. I don't like running this lean and am considering upgrading to a Tytn II (AT&T 8925) with roughly double the memory of the Hermes so I don't have to worry about memory any longer. For me, the 6.1 ROMS with anything worth running and the current memory on the Hermes just doesn't make it. And I love the 8525.
zim2dive said:
I don't care about "bigstorage".. I'd rather see "bigRAM" builds..
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You are damn right!! Thats my opinion too!
JamesAllen said:
I really don't understand at all the drive for larger and larger storage. [...] With SDHC cards growing ever larger at lower costs, the issue, it seems to me, is not device storage as much as Free Program Memory.
[...] Just load PIE and another memory hog like an audio player and watch your memory drop to less than 4MB and your PIE freeze.
Sorry, I am running a 6.0 ROM with everything I like on it and have about 24MB at startup. I use FreeUp RAM [SkTools!] [...] to recover Program Memory and everything is fine.
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I've the same setting like you, I am running a clean WM6 with my costum apps and I am also about 25 mb Ram (only with Sk Tools Ram tuning).
So, our future cooking motto is: " We Love SuperBigRam-Builds "
This might help you guys out,
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/upx4ppc.shtml
"Absolutely essential program for PPCs with limited space (my 64MB model has only a 20MB ramdisk). I have been able to install twice as many programs thanks to UPX4PPC. Tips: (1) Make sure you untick "compress icons" (ticked by default). (2) Use maximum compression: it doesn't take long and occasionally makes a significant difference. (3) Compressing TCPMP: if you rename all the .plg files to .dll you can upx them (then rename them back!) I reduced the install from 1600KB to 923KB this way!"
Pumpiron579 said:
This might help you guys out,
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/upx4ppc.shtml
"Absolutely essential program for PPCs with limited space (my 64MB model has only a 20MB ramdisk). I have been able to install twice as many programs thanks to UPX4PPC. Tips: (1) Make sure you untick "compress icons" (ticked by default). (2) Use maximum compression: it doesn't take long and occasionally makes a significant difference. (3) Compressing TCPMP: if you rename all the .plg files to .dll you can upx them (then rename them back!) I reduced the install from 1600KB to 923KB this way!"
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Keep in mind that if you do this, the DLL files etc cannot be loaded in shared memory - so your applications have to load their own instance of compressed DLLs. This can make things VERY RAM hungry on your devices...
I run Pays 6.1 rom and i get about 25 megs at start up with Activesync connected to my exchange server.
I notice some roms have a total program memory of 50 megs and some only 48 megs. Does this mean that the rom can be tweaked to get more than 50 megs of Program memory?
Pumpiron579 said:
This might help you guys out,
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/upx4ppc.shtml
"Absolutely essential program for PPCs with limited space (my 64MB model has only a 20MB ramdisk). I have been able to install twice as many programs thanks to UPX4PPC. Tips: (1) Make sure you untick "compress icons" (ticked by default). (2) Use maximum compression: it doesn't take long and occasionally makes a significant difference. (3) Compressing TCPMP: if you rename all the .plg files to .dll you can upx them (then rename them back!) I reduced the install from 1600KB to 923KB this way!"
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Does this save Program RAM? Or Storage space?
pvs said:
For an in-depth discussion on this topic, you can start out with this thread. Don't be afraid to click on the links within for a very complete understanding of why Program Memory and Storage Space cannot be resized (unfortunately).
-pvs
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Thanks. Informative, tho not the answers I was hoping to hear
Free Program Memory
I understand the preoccupation with maximizing Storage Memory. It is the only memory that apparently can be manipulated. But, the exercise seems rather academic to me with the advent of SDHC cards. It isn't storage memory that has ever been a problem for me, it is Program Memory. And Program Memory cannot be expanded (my understanding) so the only solution is to execute fewer or smaller programs if you want to maximize free Program Memory.
Unless we can get someone to develop a "virtual memory" feature that uses an allocated portion of SDHC memory as Program Memory, the only way we can maximize free program memory is by loading fewer applications, normally through a clean and lean ROM. If it could be accomplished, it would still pose speed issues in that the pipe to the SDHC card has to be far slower than the internal memory pipeline.
My 2 cents worth.
JamesAllen said:
I really don't understand at all the drive for larger and larger storage. So what if you have 58MB of "Big Storage" on the device. With SDHC cards growing ever larger at lower costs, the issue, it seems to me, is not device storage as much as Free Program Memory.
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Don't understand it either. Do the base 6.1 roms come with that little ram built in? Maybe that's why there isnt an official version released yet. They cant get it to run more then 3 things at a time.
The only other answer is Get a kaiser
Kaiser is powered by an Samsung SC32442 400Mhz processor, 256MB ROM and 128MB RAM
friends,,, set file cache (pagepool) to auto mode, zero! when I used schaps wm6 4.31 my hermes had 32mb of free program (ram)..
sebastianmc said:
friends,,, set file cache (pagepool) to auto mode, zero! when I used schaps wm6 4.31 my hermes had 32mb of free program (ram)..
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Yeah but slow as hell! Pagepool is made exactly to speed up the PDA by caching some data.
The problem is:
- 26-30Mb of RAM are far from enough for a web browser with flash content
- SD card bus is so slow on latency that can hardly be used as a virtual memory for active programs
- No pagepool or no cache is not an option
Perhaps someone could build ASAP an application that would transfer non-active drivers/apps or less demanding apps to a virtual RAM on the SD and keep the active ones (HTC Home, phone app, Web browsers/games) on the real RAM
One of the best apps for a mobile is OXIO stuff that will free RAM but perhaps the best option is an app that *in case of very low memory* would free non-used ram and would compress the demanding app data on RAM (usually I only run out of memory if I surf on the web with opera or netfront). Of course it would slow down a bit the PDA at that point but at least the app wouldn´t stop and would run until nothing could be really done.
Does anyone knows an app that does this on-the-fly? (auto-free and compress RAM)
mmick, I dont realize difference between with 4mb ppoll or without ppool.. I made benchs with and without ppool.. and to me, it doesnt make difference in performance... and sometimes I use msn, i.e, e mail, coreplayer. word... without pagepool or file cache, and my device is fast!! I dont believe pagepool.. lol
sorry for my english
regards
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mmick, I dont realize difference between with 4mb ppoll or without ppool.. I made benchs with and without ppool.. and to me, it doesnt make difference in performance... and sometimes I use msn, i.e, e mail, coreplayer. word... without pagepool or file cache, and my device is fast!! I dont believe pagepool.. lol
sorry for my english
regards
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Curious ... did you ever test a ROM with a 6 or 8MB PP? That is where the difference is supposed to be notable.
I've toyed with these settings. These ROMs seemed faster at first, but I'm not so sure if there's a significant difference in the long run. As these were my own home-cooked ROMs I was experimenting with, I never kept them for any length of time.
I'd like to know your experiences with large PagePools, rather than the 4MB default.
Thanks!
-pvs
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The only other answer is Get a kaiser
Kaiser is powered by an Samsung SC32442 400Mhz processor, 256MB ROM and 128MB RAM
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I tried the Kaiser and found it slower than the Hermes even though it had more memory. The thing was laggy. They need to put more powerful processors into these things.
Some observations:
HTC say 192 MB on their page
Settings -> Device Information says 192 MB
So I guess we have established there's physically 192 MB.
Now... This is where it gets confusing:
Settings -> About says 113 MB. Why is the rest hidden, and what (if any) is it dedicated to? That's 80 MB gone. On my P3600 only 15 MB is subtracted here. VGA screen can only account for a few MB.
The task manager also says 113 MB, and with no applications running except TF3D after a soft reset only 55 MB is free. 30MB more than my P3600. Killing TF3D and soft resetting nets another 10 MB.
Naturally there can be differences depending on kernel versions, hacks and so on.
Some interesting math:
192MB (total) - 64MB - 15MB (value from p3600) = 113MB.
To me it looks like 64MB has been swallowed, or dedicated to 3D (why on earth would it need 64MB), or something else. The 15MB portion I assume is for kernel memory. As a side note, current HaRET version reports 128MB.
Thoughts?
My thought would be "What does this have to do with ROM Development?"
Wrong forum. Let's try and keep the place tidy.
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My thought would be "What does this have to do with ROM Development?"
Wrong forum. Let's try and keep the place tidy.
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IMO this has a lot do do with ROM development, seeing as custom ROMs strive for more free memory. I did debate putting it in the "Diamond" forum, but most posts are less technical there. If a mod disagrees feel free to move it.
Also, the only way you could possibly do anything with the ram setup would be a ROM modification.
I don't own the diamond, but couldn't this 64 mb be some video memory, like some pc embeded controlers?
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I don't own the diamond, but couldn't this 64 mb be some video memory, like some pc embeded controlers?
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It could, but 64MB is a crap load for a barely capable chipset and a 640 * 480 screen. I have not seen any details on what kind of 3D hardware is actually in there, as they're holding the inner workings pretty closely wrapped.
My guess, and correct me if i'm wrong is the 80mb preserved for the cab files?
Settings-> Device Information says 192MB Ram, 256MB Flash.
I can give you the right answer:
The 64MB are reserved for the opera browser! I've read that somewhere else,
unfortunately I can't remeber where.
So I guess there would be cooked roms in the future without opera
and 64MB more ram...
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My guess, and correct me if i'm wrong is the 80mb preserved for the cab files?
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what do you mean? like an old extended rom?
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what do you mean? like an old extended rom?
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yes..................
i dont think that it would make sense to waste so much RAM for the cab files,
because they would only be needed once in the customizing process at the
first start of the device...
as i wrote above, according to my findings the 64mb are reserved for opera!
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I can give you the right answer:
The 64MB are reserved for the opera browser! I've read that somewhere else,
unfortunately I can't remeber where.
So I guess there would be cooked roms in the future without opera
and 64MB more ram...
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The cabs file or the extended rom takes up storage memory and not the program memory. I read it in some review that 64MB of the program memory is dedicated to the GPU for graphics rendering of the VGA display.
Quallcomm CPU with 3D graphics requires 64MB RAM dedicated to 3D functions. No other data can be placed in thise 64MB and it can not be freed.
that's why Diamond (and Sony Xperia X1) have so huge amount of RAM.
64mb just for the 3D? That explains why there weren't any 3D drivers in the kaiser and the polaris then.....
ok this is ALL BS, the 64MB isnt "reserved", Windows Mobile reports the RAM and ROM differently then a usual PC / Windows operating environment.
It falls back on the NAND partitions and whats allocated to what. So in future this still has nothing todo with "ROM Development" so please post this in the General diamond forum.
PS: ET did partition the NAND and he ate 45MB of the ram
jesus you rarely see this load of BS
opera, noo, say that was meant to be a bad joke.
and please do not confuse ROM and RAM. cab files for RAM, when the ram contents get lost on battery removal?!? also the nand partitioning doesn't matter for ram, nand is rom.
not sure about the 3D, but it is quite unlikely it'd want 64MB ram. (I can check later if it accesses that much.)
what is for a fact is that there is an extra RAM shared by the radio and the SPL. the OS does not access any of it normally - but *you* can programmatically access it if you really want to, or even by using pmemdump . (except you are less free to access some parts that the radio restricts access to)
however this RAM is present in all the MSM7xxx, but not reported in deviceinfo on kaiser etc, and seems to be 32MB only (though on diamond I saw indication that it might be 64, I will have to re-check that, probably my memory is failing).
but, what appears in deviceinfo is just a hardcoded value that HTC decides on. maybe for marketing reasons they chose to add this in the total RAM.
one last fact - the OS on the diamond only has access to 128MB of whatever this 192 is, this is easily seen (in nk.exe, romheader, etc), the rest is definitely reserved (either radio, or 3G, etc..). so it isn't WM itself that is eating it up.
that's the best I can say so far without specifically looking, but this is an interesting question and I'll look into this.
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jesus you rarely see this load of BS
opera, noo, say that was meant to be a bad joke.
and please do not confuse ROM and RAM. cab files for RAM, when the ram contents get lost on battery removal?!? also the nand partitioning doesn't matter for ram, nand is rom.
not sure about the 3D, but it is quite unlikely it'd want 64MB ram. (I can check later if it accesses that much.)
what is for a fact is that there is an extra RAM shared by the radio and the SPL. the OS does not access any of it normally - but *you* can programmatically access it if you really want to, or even by using pmemdump . (except you are less free to access some parts that the radio restricts access to)
however this RAM is present in all the MSM7xxx, but not reported in deviceinfo on kaiser etc, and seems to be 32MB only (though on diamond I saw indication that it might be 64, I will have to re-check that, probably my memory is failing).
but, what appears in deviceinfo is just a hardcoded value that HTC decides on. maybe for marketing reasons they chose to add this in the total RAM.
one last fact - the OS on the diamond only has access to 128MB of whatever this 192 is, this is easily seen (in nk.exe, romheader, etc), the rest is definitely reserved (either radio, or 3G, etc..). so it isn't WM itself that is eating it up.
that's the best I can say so far without specifically looking, but this is an interesting question and I'll look into this.
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Finally, someone who seems to know what he's talking about!!!
It's amazing how many fake problems arrise in this forum because of the lack of knowloged of people, which leads to "theories of conspiracy" and sometimes to funny jokes...
64MB RAM for Opera is a good example of a joke...for the love of God, my Opera on my PC, while working with torrents, emails, thousands of favorites, browsing history older than my great-great-grand-father, only takes 40MB RAM...so why the hell would a **** program like opera mobile would need 64MB RAM?...
Anyway, if you're not sure about what you guys are writting, it's better to stay shut up, instead of inventing things and inducing other people in error...
HastaSSSS
s1rl4ncel0t said:
Finally, someone who seems to know what he's talking about!!!
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"she" actually
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that's the best I can say so far without specifically looking, but this is an interesting question and I'll look into this.
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As fun as conspiracy theories are, I'm happy to get an answer that makes a little sense
My TP2 (winmo 6.5) is running painfully slow atm - it can take 10-20 seconds do do something like load my inbox or an email..
On a quest to speed it up I was looking at the memory in use:
Total: 187.41mb
In Use: 151.36mb
Free: 36.05
which is when the device is idle with no open apps.
36MB of free memory seems appallingly low to me.
Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
I have 259.2MB of 'Storage' memory, of which only 30MB is used, hanging onto the rest is a big waste.
Or - is there a better way to speed things up? (like install android? )
You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277
Well I dont know which 6.5 your running but I have switched ROMS myself, I was using the EU rom for the past couple of months, and anytime I got under 40MB free memory, the TP2 would run slow and odd, I recently switched over to the SEA rom, put the exact same programs on and as of right now I am running at 27MB of free ram with nothing running, and its just as fast when its fully loaded and I have almost 87MB of free ram. but its taken 4 days to drop to 27MB, odd.
burtonsnow8 said:
You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277
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Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!
BioTecK said:
Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what the "dynamic resource proxy" cab does. I don't have my TP2 with me at the moment or I'd test to confirm.
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Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
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I'm afraid you are showing your age, so far as I know that slider hasn't been used since before WM5. With WM5 they went to using NVRAM for storage (flash memory if you prefer). Prior to that all WM used RAM for storage - which meant they could not be turned off without clearing everything! But in those versions (I remember WM2003 in particular), you could allocate where the ram was used - storage or programs.
I often think that in some ways those older OS were faster. I remember my XDA mini working very fast. When MS switched to non volatile storage, I think they lost a bit of speed - flash is not as fast as RAM. Of course they gained the fact that you don't have to worry about turning off the power and losing your files!