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low FPS playing video

What video playing software are you guys using?
I'm using Core 1.3 and getting really jerky videos (music videos).
I thought they'd look excellent but they are not. Is there a better ap or some settings that I might need to change?

chris-c said:
What video playing software are you guys using?
I'm using Core 1.3 and getting really jerky videos (music videos).
I thought they'd look excellent but they are not. Is there a better ap or some settings that I might need to change?
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wmp. there is allready threads with this. even including the converter for free pls use the search function..

fair enough.
I just thought that people would still be using 3rd party apps like tcpmp or core as they used to be much better on my old phone (Kaiser)
I did search and got lots of varied answers

here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
you shoul be hable (as i am) to convert from full hd to mp4 and run real smooth

NO NEED TO CONVERT!
I had the same problem with core 1.3 but changed some settins like buffer etc now i get smooth videos (All formats) ill post up settings i use.
normal buffer size - 4800KB
Preload at underrun - 80%
Preload for audio - 128KB
microdive mode (ON)
Microdrive buffer size - 16000KB
Microdrive starts at 1472KB
Hope this helps?
Ive been getting a friend to record Heroes (HD) then send me the avi file so i can watch it on my phone

Changes to settings
Hi there,
Please can you tell me how you changed the settings for coreplayer?

pmcdealer said:
Hi there,
Please can you tell me how you changed the settings for coreplayer?
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menu
tools
preference
select page
buffering

What he said ^^

Best video format and player for watching movies

So what format (fps, compression type, audio format, etc.) and player to watch a movie in 480x800 and have it play smoothly and also be the smallest file size possible?

There are a lot of good video players out there, but I have found that Core Player works best. You have to pay for it, but if you watch a lot of movies on your phone then I believe it is worth the cost. I have had no problem watching a number of different file formats. I have found with some tinkering that the .mp4 format also used in iPhones to give decent bang for the buck in quality vs size. I am using Core Player version 1.3.5 build 7340 for ARM and have had no problem at all playing movies. Hope that helps.

EVOIXGSR said:
So what format (fps, compression type, audio format, etc.) and player to watch a movie in 480x800 and have it play smoothly and also be the smallest file size possible?
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VLC is the best player i have seen on Windows, it practically plays anything you give it (it is a windows program). but guess what? it is in windows mobile too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-362613.html

irkan said:
VLC is the best player i have seen on Windows, it practically plays anything you give it (it is a windows program). but guess what? it is in windows mobile too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-362613.html
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I just tried to find it and I can not, all I get from your link is a couple of dll's

For encoding rate, I recommend getting http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/EN_index.htm and selecting the Touch Diamond settings, it'll do all the rest. You can tweak the video and audio quality.
I'm really impressed, although I've also discovered some 3gp settings that, for a 40MB file, are comparable to a 150MB avi (or so it seems to me).

innovator8 said:
I just tried to find it and I can not, all I get from your link is a couple of dll's
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlcpocketpc/
its still a beta though

Your best option would be the x264 format with faac audio which windows mobile player has acceleration for. It will give you very awsome quality and saves u having to pay/install other software.
Your best option for x264(but not the simplist) would be meGUI(easy to find on google)
When installing choose x264 *Scrathpad* and FAAC *scratchpad* profiles with any others u might like to use
There are afew settings u will need to setup on the first run, next time u encode something u just need to follow the bold options
tools - > AVS script creator
add video file to video input
tick suggest resolution in the resise options and make make it small enough to fit the screen at 800x480 (i dont recommend changing the aspect ration(eg making the width bigger but not changing the height))
click save
in video section change encoder settings to x264 *scrachpad*
press configure next to it
change mode to automated 2 pass
check turbo(much faster no noticable quality diff)
change bitrate to 500-600~ u can go as high as 800 but it wont be smooth and 600 is more then enough for the screen size
click ok
file format to MP4
in audio section add the same file from video input to audio input
change encoder settings in audio section to FAAC *scratchpad*
click config next to it
output channels to "convert to mono" seeing as we dont need it
VBR to 128~
click ok
extention to MP4-AAC
click autoencode in the bottom right hand corner
container = mp4
device = standard
size and bitrate choose No target size
press que
Go to the queue tab at the top
press start

Video acceleration?

When I watch normal movies in SD resolution (mostly XviD) the playback isn't 100% smooth. I'm using CorePlayer and when I do a benchmark I about 105%.
On my old Samsung i780 it was never a problem watching movies and the benchmarks always got at least 150%.
I've been told that this is because bad video drivers on the TP2. Is this correct? And is it possible to fix this?
Or are there better players than CorePlayer?
I dont want to convert the files to lower resolution/quality or something like that.

djr83 said:
When I watch normal movies in SD resolution (mostly XviD) the playback isn't 100% smooth. I'm using CorePlayer and when I do a benchmark I about 105%.
On my old Samsung i780 it was never a problem watching movies and the benchmarks always got at least 150%.
I've been told that this is because bad video drivers on the TP2. Is this correct? And is it possible to fix this?
Or are there better players than CorePlayer?
I dont want to convert the files to lower resolution/quality or something like that.
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You can try the drivers found in THIS thread...they seemed to improve playback for me in the divx player, though I've not tried coreplayer yet. But, I still think the TP2 still seems to lack a little bit in this area.
(and despite the title of the thread, they're actually OpenGL drivers, not D3D, as explained later in the thread)

sirphunkee said:
You can try the drivers found in THIS thread...they seemed to improve playback for me in the divx player, though I've not tried coreplayer yet. But, I still think the TP2 still seems to lack a little bit in this area.
(and despite the title of the thread, they're actually OpenGL drivers, not D3D, as explained later in the thread)
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I already have that driver installed and it helps a lot in the demo but haven't really noticed any difference in any real program. And not in CorePlayer.

djr83 said:
I already have that driver installed and it helps a lot in the demo but haven't really noticed any difference in any real program. And not in CorePlayer.
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Understood, just wanted to make sure you knew about them
The only other thing I might suggest is switching off TF3D before playing the vid, I don't know if it'll help, but it's worth a try.

sirphunkee said:
Understood, just wanted to make sure you knew about them
The only other thing I might suggest is switching off TF3D before playing the vid, I don't know if it'll help, but it's worth a try.
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Already running vanilla WM so no luck there either

TCPMP GF5500 Edition
I am using Core player/TCPMP GF5500 Edition. But instead of using DirectDraw, I am using GDI settings.
Follow this: Options -> Video -> GDI
And then this: Options -> Settings -> Select Page -> DirectDraw -> and select option 2 and 3
This should work for you on TP2.

Doesnt work for me. With GDI I get 54% in benchmark and with DD I only get 25%.

Coreplayer uses Qtv drivers, or their version of them, because htc has custom ones for the qualcomm processor. Therefore it is not as good as another device which has access to good drivers for its video accelerator. The best video player for the phone is the Album program from HTC, it uses the real Qtv drivers and i always get really good framerate with MP4s. I mean, as far as i know this is the case. Make sure your coreplayer version has the Qtv driver, use it instead of GDI or DD, or it will be bad quality.

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Coreplayer uses Qtv drivers, or their version of them, because htc has custom ones for the qualcomm processor. Therefore it is not as good as another device which has access to good drivers for its video accelerator. The best video player for the phone is the Album program from HTC, it uses the real Qtv drivers and i always get really good framerate with MP4s. I mean, as far as i know this is the case. Make sure your coreplayer version has the Qtv driver, use it instead of GDI or DD, or it will be bad quality.
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Yes, I use Qtv but that only gets right above 100% in benchmark which means it will not be smooth playback all the time. Not the end of the world, but still annoying since my old phone played all my files perfectly with CorePlayer.
Album is not an option since I dont even have that installed and I dont want to convert all videos to mp4.

Album also doesn't remember the play position per video file, so playback always starts at the beginning of the video. Even my Blackberry would at least resume each video wherever I stopped it the last time it was played.

well unfortunately, until HTC allows access to the Qtv drivers, which will be never, coreplayer will not be very good. ive made peace with that and am gonna jump onto the HD2 later this month.

Too bad. But wont the HD2 be as bad as any other HTC phone at video playback? Ok, it has a faster CPU so maybe it will be good anyway, but the driver problem remains I guess?

Have you tried messing with the buffer settings?
Menu->Tools->Settings->Select Page->Buffering
This helped. But is still a bit laggy.
Strange though... just ran a benchmark on an xvid and it was in super slow motion 62.69% speed. But plays fine when i play video normally
Anyways,
I have buffer setting like this:
Normal buffer size - 6400kb
preload at underrun - 70%
Preload for audio - 6400kb
Low delay streaming - unchecked
Microdrive mode - Checked
Microdrive buffer size - 16000kb
Microdrive starts at - 6400kb
I get fairly good playback. Little laggy when it comes to fast passed videos. But overall its watchable IMHO

I just did a benchmark and got this, om my TP2 with latest Jackos S2 rom
Benchmark Result from avi xvid file 699MB, f/s 25
Avrg speed: 126.92%
Video Frames: 6242
Audio Samples: 11059165
Amount Data: 27775KB
Bench time: 03:16.720
Bench Frame rate: 31.730
Bench sample rate: 56217
Bench data rate: 1.16Mbit/s
Original Time: 04:09.680
Original Frame rate: 25.000
Original sample rate:44100
Original data rate: 911kbit/s

antoine_32 said:
I just did a benchmark and got this, om my TP2 with latest Jackos S2 rom
Benchmark Result from avi xvid file 699MB, f/s 25
Avrg speed: 126.92%
Video Frames: 6242
Audio Samples: 11059165
Amount Data: 27775KB
Bench time: 03:16.720
Bench Frame rate: 31.730
Bench sample rate: 56217
Bench data rate: 1.16Mbit/s
Original Time: 04:09.680
Original Frame rate: 25.000
Original sample rate:44100
Original data rate: 911kbit/s
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How did you get that? Every avi xvid video i play seems to only get around 60% speed

Fin9ers said:
Have you tried messing with the buffer settings?
Menu->Tools->Settings->Select Page->Buffering
This helped. But is still a bit laggy.
Strange though... just ran a benchmark on an xvid and it was in super slow motion 62.69% speed. But plays fine when i play video normally
Anyways,
I have buffer setting like this:
Normal buffer size - 6400kb
preload at underrun - 70%
Preload for audio - 6400kb
Low delay streaming - unchecked
Microdrive mode - Checked
Microdrive buffer size - 16000kb
Microdrive starts at - 6400kb
I get fairly good playback. Little laggy when it comes to fast passed videos. But overall its watchable IMHO
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A little better. I get 112-118% in benchmark. I'll try to watch a movie with these settings soon.
My latest benchmark:
Average Speed: 112.70%
Video Frames: 1976
Audio Samples: 3842500
Amount of Data: 13303 KB
Bench. Time: 01:10.131
Bench. Frame Rate: 28.176
Bench. Sample Rate: 54790
Bench. Data Rate: 1.55 Mbit/s
Original Time: 01:19.040
Original Frame Rate: 25.000
Original Sample Rate: 48000
Original Data Rate: 1.38 Mbit/s

Fin9ers said:
How did you get that? Every avi xvid video i play seems to only get around 60% speed
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Are you use Qtv with TyTN II drivers enabled?

djr83 said:
Are you use Qtv with TyTN II drivers enabled?
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Yup,
but every benchmark i do on any avi xvid still get same results...
when i watch normally its fine. just does the super slow motion thing when i benchmark

Im using Coreplayer with default settings (plays better than TCPMP) , when I was using another ROM (Timor .91) i got better results, about 140% average speed.
here is another quick bechmark

We should compare our results using the same video. Which video should we choose?

Do I need to flasha stock ROM for Smooth Video playback and TV out?

I got my TP2 a few days ago and already had a custom ROM (EnergyROM Sense 2.5 Cookie + dinik glass May 31) waiting to be flashed before I even got the phone.
Yesterday I flashed the phone after reading the great noobs guide a few dozen times.
Flash went perfectly and the new ROM kicks the crap out of the stock 6.5 (obviously).
Then late last night, I decided to test Video playback by copying 2 random vids to the SD card on my phone.
(Both vids are Divx (.avi), one is 624x352 res and the other was similar resolution).
The SD is a Transcend 8GB Class 6.
Both videos were a complete slideshow in core player (built into ROM). Probably 5fps in the 'small screen' and maybe 1 frame every 3 seconds in full screen!
This was the first time I have felt dissapointed with my new phone. My previous phone (Samsung Jet) played these same vids super smooth. (I know its 800mhz vs 538 etc).
After doing a fair bit of searching/reading this morning I have learned that temporarily disabling sense SHOULD help ( I will try ASAP tonight) and I can use a script for auto disable/enabling of sense. But people who used this fix didnt report framerates half as bad as mine so I'm not too hopeful on that.
Even worse is that I read that TV-out is screwed on ALL custom ROMs except maybe Valkyrie. Is that still the case??? I cant test this as my TV-out cable still hasnt arrived.
Smooth video and TV-out are two of the MAIN reasons I bought a TP2 AND the Jet before it.
AM I GOING TO HAVE TO FLASH A STOCK HTC 6.5 ROM TO GET SMOOTH VIDEO PLAYBACK AND TVOUT?
I hope thats not the case because in every other respect this energyROM has been a pleasure to use. Eyecandy and customisation are EXACTLY what i was hoping for as is the improved performance/speed. Please dont tell me I cant use this ROM.
ANY help on this would be GREATLY appreciated.
I HAVE searched, I HAVE read the FAQ
Also one quick question
Neither vid would even start in WMP. Is that just a case of missing codecs? Whats the best codec pack for these ROMS?
Thanks in advance.

short answer. NO.
Use coreplayer to play divx etc. You have to play around for the correct settings. Then you can watch your movies smooth. Search for some tutorials. The tv-out will work BUT, the quality is poor.

Thanks for the reply Lennyz1988.
I'll keep looking for tweaks and tutorials re: coreplayer....no luck so far, cant seem to find anything.
As for the TV out being poor quality....I'm devastated to hear that.
There are a couple of TP2 tvout demos on youtube and the framerate and resolution looks great (on a 42inch plasma).
Whats the deal with that, is the TVout quality better on stock rom?
Also just found a very strange quirk with my problem.
I just tried playing both vids again and both played much smoother in fullscreen than they did last night (still only ~10fps though).
So then I open up task manager and kill 3 apps that were running (file explorer, comm manager and I forgot the 3rd)....
After closing these and trying the vids again it was back to 1 frame every few seconds in full screen mode!
How can I get worse performance with less apps running in background?? that just doesnt make sense...does it?
Now I'm really stumped.
Gonna try the mortscript to disable sense as soon as I can....fingers crossed.
Thanks for your help Lenny,
cheers

I agree that if you are getting poorer playback on the Energy than the stock ROM, you just need to tweak the Core settings.
This is what I did: In TCPMP, go to Option>Video and select GDI. I forget what the default burned into the EnergyROM is, but I think it was Direct Draw, which was incredibly stuttery. Changing to GDI made the playback smooth on most videos for me. Some videos (probably higher res ones) will still stutter/freeze. But most of what I play works great, and MUCH better then it did on my phones stock ROM.

well... after playing around with some settings in TCPMP the framerate has improved from 0fps to around 10fps (guess), but obviously thats still pretty unwatchable.
In TCPMP I went to options>video, and changed the driver from Drirect Draw.
Raw Framebuffer runs at ~10fps but with bad tearing.
GDI runs at ~12fps with no tearing.
I tried all other options with no luck. I havnt tried any buffer settings yet in TCPMP or WinMo.....Got any suggestions for buffer sizes?
One setting that did give DirectDraw the same performance as GDI was to disable "Use Device stretching for blitting".
I have no idea what this does though so it doesnt help me when it comes to gaining some more fps.
Just gotta find that mortscript to try now and see if that helps too.
Any help on any of this would be greatly appreciated. I AM trying to find the answers for myself but Im having no luck.

only just saw your reply redpoint, lol. Thanks for that though.
I'm still only getting low framerates with GDI though, lower than you get by the sounds of it.... and this is only with a ~170mb Simpsons episode @624x352 resolution.
There must be another setting I need to tweak, somewhere. Hopefully the script to disable sense will give an acceptable framerate.
Thanks for your help.
PS... Is WMP not worth trying? Where can I get codecs for it? any searches for codecs keep coming up with links to coreplayer.

You should use Qtv in Coreplayer. The playback will mostly be good but not 100% of the time.

djr83 said:
You should use Qtv in Coreplayer. The playback will mostly be good but not 100% of the time.
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Qtv is not available on the version of TCPMP that is cooked into the Energy ROMs. And using Qtv when I was on the stock ROM had tearing down the middle of the screen constantly, that was not watchable for me.

doh! so thats why I cant find any mention of qtv in TCPMP.
Can someone PLEASE do me a big favour?
Point me in the direction of the mortscript which shuts down TF3d/sense while coreplayer is running and then re-enables it when CP closes?
I cant find it anywhere and Ive spent the last hour trying.
Does this scrupt exist? I read about it earlier - was it just speculation/ wishful thinking?
Anyone know where to find this script

Here are my buffering settings that I am currently using. No real reasoning here, just trial and error. And its something I always seem to be messing with, just to see if I can get it a bit better.
Normal buffer size: 4992
Preload at underrun: 5%
Preload for audio: 128kb
Microdrive unchecked.
Make sure you different videos from different sources. Some (a minority) videos will stutter and freeze no matter what. But most of the TV shows and movies I've obtained from "sources" on the internet play fine on Core.
Don't feel alone that you are confused by the Core settings. I was searching around, and found a post on the Core official forums, and it basically said that their documentation is terrible, even for the pay version, and it something they are working on. So there is no official documentation explaining the setting options, and not much better info on the internet from users, aside from trial and error experiences. Pretty much most users have no idea what many of the options even mean.
And no, WMP is not worth trying. Codecs are pretty non-existant. And even for formats which are compatible, the playback is usually not watchable. Most everyone on these forums and elsewhere will tell you Core is the best player on WM.

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doh! so thats why I cant find any mention of qtv in TCPMP.
Can someone PLEASE do me a big favour?
Point me in the direction of the mortscript which shuts down TF3d/sense while coreplayer is running and then re-enables it when CP closes?
I cant find it anywhere and Ive spent the last hour trying.
Does this scrupt exist? I read about it earlier - was it just speculation/ wishful thinking?
Anyone know where to find this script
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I can't help you as far as the script. But what I can say is that some users will swear that unloading TF3D/Sense got them better Core performance. But I tried this on the stock ROM (unloading TF3D), and it made zero difference to Coreplayer performance.

Thanks for the help peeps.
Just tried those buffer settings and it did seem to help slightly....will play around with those some more.
And yeah, I'm gonna try a whole load of vids tonight see if there is a encode configuration which plays smoothly.
I'd even be willing to convert my movies (from similar sources to what you probably use, redpoint) if I can find the right encoding settings for good framerate and reasonable resolution.
If you have any suggestions for a good converter and some good encode settings, I'd love to hear them
I still REALLY want to try coreplayer with sense disabled.
Anyone know where to find that script please?
I notice that CHTEditor restarts Sense when it applies changes, Is there any way to use the editor to shut down Sense and then let me start it after playing a movie?
Failing that...
IS THERE A SIMPLE WAY TO TEMPORARILY DISABLE SENSE?
What about video drivers? Is it worth updating them or does the latest energyROM come with the latest and greatest drivers included?
Sorry for all the questions people. I just really want to get this playing smoothly and its driving me nuts
Thanks again for all your help.

Well... I couldnt find the script I was talking about but I did find one for the HD2 which disables sense while Youtube is running (Created by 'HJ200' here on XDA).
Code:
regWriteDword HKLM, Software\Microsoft\Today\Items\HTC Sense, Enabled, 0
RedrawToday
Rotate(270)
RunWait "\Windows\YouTube.exe"
Rotate(0)
regWriteDword HKLM, Software\Microsoft\Today\Items\HTC Sense, Enabled, 1
RedrawToday
Exit
So i simply changed the RunWait so that it waits for TCPMP.
Ran the script and I get the warning about disabling SENSE, I click OK and nothing happens
It doesnt shut sense down like TCHEditor does.
Can any of you coders/devs tell me why it doesnt shut sense down?
Or can someone please tell me a simple way to temp disable sense?
Come on guys, Im trying Ive spent all day on this and I'm getting nowhere fast lol.
If I can try playing vids with sense disabled then I can rule that out (or not) and move on to something else

I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.

fishel said:
I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.
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yeah, I'm pretty much ready to give up on it too
Looks like I might have to buy a cheap Portable media player that takes a micro/sd card, even if only for decent TV-out.
I'll definitely try encoding to "ipod touch" standards though.
What do you use to encode? Are the settings basically .mp4 @ 480x320?
Ive tried half a dozen different divx files now and all are slow/stuttery. Some are better than others tho as redpoint pointed out.
I also found a few semi-interesting things out.
On the files that play 'resonably' well, lowering the volume to 0 seems to help quite a bit (good for buster keaton movies? lol)...indicating a sound driver or codec issue?
Also, in the buffer settings of TCPMP....
Setting the "preload at underrun" to 1% seems to help quite a bit with some files, especially the ones which were helped by the volume=0 thing.
Setting the "Normal Buffer Size" to 5120 and the "preload for audio" to 192 SEEMED to help all videos VERY SLIGHTLY.
I'll try encoding with ipod touch settings and see what its like, but I'm guessing that resolution will look horrible stretched to 42" making the TVout almost useless? Gutted.
Can anyone tell me how to disable sense please? Once I try that and the re-encodes, I give up
Cheers fishel

fishel said:
I too was frustrated with poor playback with divx. Even after re-encoding for TCPMP. So I just bit the bullet, and encode with the "Ipod touch" settings and have excellent quality with the built in (but limited featured) players.
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With CORE player select GDI it was VERY choppy. I selected QTv and it plays ultra smooth. This is a youtube Avatar HD trailer btw. My normal video files on the card play smooth too as long as I get the right enconding..which I am still trying to figure out.

Lennyz1988 said:
The tv-out will work BUT, the quality is poor.
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thesweeney said:
As for the TV out being poor quality....I'm devastated to hear that.
There are a couple of TP2 tvout demos on youtube and the framerate and resolution looks great (on a 42inch plasma).
Whats the deal with that, is the TVout quality better on stock rom?
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Very surprised to hear that...
I use the TV-out functionality on my Touch Pro 2 quite a bit. The quality is excellent for things like presentations and pretty good for videos when using the built in album to play them. The setup I'm using is the 2.07.401.1 stock ROM with PAL output via the official HTC store TV-out cable.

by built in players I mean the windows media player or the HTC player (by Photos and Videos) and it plays great, I never tried video out.
You disable sense by un-checking sense in the item tab in the today icon in settings and choosing "windows Default", (or anything) instead.

Well first of all I'm an idiot When I was mentioning coreplayer earlier, I was actually talking about TCPMP... I didnt even realise there was a difference lol.
So now I have aquired coreplayer with mixed results
QTV seems to help on some videos and doesnt seem any quicker than GDI on others.
The only thing is... I tried one vid which has AC3 audio and of course coreplayer gives me a codec error. But it lets me play the file with video only and it runs SMOOTH AS SILK.
Benchmarking gives around 150% on this file compared to ~60% on most of the others ive tried.
So I'm guessing this is mainly (soley?) down to the greatly reduced total bitrate (looking at the benchmark results).
SO...COULD THIS POINT TO A PROBLEM WITH MY SD CARD?? OR EVEN A PROBLEM WITH THE SD DRIVERS ON THE TP2???
My SD card is a transcend class 6 so I doubt that is the problem.
The only thing I'd like to test now is An AC3 codec for coreplayer and/or a QTV plugin for TCPMP.
Anyone know if either of those exist?
Searches turn up nothing.
Thanks for that fishel! Tried tcpmp without TF3d and there was very little or no difference.
Was worth trying anyway.
Chazco, I'm glad to hear that about the TV-OUT. But It will be useless for me unless I can get a smoother framerate on some vids.
Looks like I'll just have to start converting my movies....
either that or try a stock rom
Bad times.
Thanks for all the help anyway peeps.
I'm off to try and get TomTom working instead....maybe that will cheer me up

Video playback and some testing

So after reading up and finding that video playback isnt brilliant on the tp2 i thougt i would do some tests.
my goal was to find an easy way to watch films. I dont really want to have to convert all my films to mp4 and use the htc album, but i dont really want to have to switch of sense and soft reset every time i have a spare 1/2 hour.
So using the same footage I ran multiple formats on the following players:
coreplayer, TCMP, Media Player and HTC album.
Not really sure how conclusive it is ( and there is certainly more testing that can be done)
i am going to try using MP4forHD to convert the file a last time and try that on all players
have a look at the results and let me know what you think

So basically what you're saying is that the only videos that work are the original AVI and some MP4s with coreplayer without Sense turned on. That sucks.

Interesting results. I have never bothered trying with sense or spb mobile shell off, but for most videos I watch (640x320 or something close, i.e., vga resolution), they seem to work ok on the tilt2. I get some annoying pixelation with TCMP, but the default windows media player seems to play them pretty crisply and smoothly. the only tradeoff there is WMP is pretty low on the totem pole feature wise.
it also seems odd to me that your results get worse when sense is turned off. It's more intuitive that it would work better if you have more ram available. Could this be an issue with a custom rom you flashed? I am using the stock ATT with spb mobile shell. Did you try a different media file?

I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
so you dont need to turn off sense.

stringman said:
I am using the stock rom
from what i understand the HTC and windows media use some sort of graphics acceleration
so you dont need to turn off sense.
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True, that makes sense. Still not sure why things get worse with Sense off, but maybe that is just the human side of the measurement, as they do all look pretty close between the two sets? And actually, it gets better for Core, worse for TCMP, and then about the same for the other two.
Do you think it would be worth trying with a different SD card, or better: trying a small video loaded from the device? If you play from the device, you at lease take the age/quality of the SD card out of the experiment as a variable. Even though you wouldn't watch a video from the device in real life, it may be a better way to benchmark, unless you are benchmarking for a specific card.
I think adding a streaming file to the test would be interesting too. Anyway, thanks for the research on this. It is a very interesting topic, imo.

The muisc player wasn't working for me either, and movies really sucked! nothing would play.
I switched roms and now everything works, music plays and comes up in the player, and movies look and play good.
I converted with AVS here are my settings:
Video codec: MPEG4(divX/Xvid compatible)
Audio codec: MPEG2/4 Audio
Frame Size:
Width: 368
Height: 208
Frame Rate:
Bitrate: 520
File Type: mp4 PSP
Channels: Stereo Sample Size: 16bit
Sample Rate: 48000Hz Bitrate: 128kbps
I watched on the built in player and didn't have to turn anything off, my fully charged battery lasted for almost 4 hours of nearly constant use ( i turned it off after i got under ~7% left).

PocketDiVXEncoder
hard to go wrong with PocketDiVXEncoder
http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/EN_index.htm
its free, and makes amazingly good playable .avi's out of almost anything
the 1.7mb :30 second clip attached below was encoded at 300k video/96k audio, and the whole movie is about 390megs @ this level of quality.
Anything made in PDE thats <= 1200k/128k/640x480 seems to play flawlessly in COREplayer

my issue is that if i have to convert any file to anyformat its a real pain.
on the td2 i could tranfer a avi fil from my laptop to the sd card and watch the film no problem.
now i have to convert it to a mp4 or something and to a particular resolution
ok so its about 40mins but its a pain
so bearing in mind that this does need to be done
whats the best format ( i am leaning to mp4)
whats the best resolution settings
whats the best prog ( i am using mp4for hd at the moment)
cheers