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Touch Pro2 is OUT today

Hi Guys,
Clove now have stock of the TP2 and are starting shipping them today
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=C64E151D-03FE-49D1-8412-C266A9D3D48B
Jas

Best news EVER (well, this month then)

Yer too right!
Cant wait to get one!! Ive emailed asking about the FM radio to see if it has one or not

THis is the news message they have on their site:
Tuesday 26th May 2009
So we have been waiting since February for the HTC Touch Pro2, but today the wait is over.
The first units have arrived into stock and are available to BUY.
This Touch Phone runs Windows Mobile 6.1 and has the features that you could require when away from your home or office.
The 3.6" WVGA display offers the richest images and most pleasurable viewing experience, much better than many alternative products.
The 5 line QWERRTY keyboard makes text and data entry simple. Whether you are writing a report, texting your best friend or replying to the boss, it is simple and effortless on the Touch Pro2.
Lightweight, considering the facilities, the Pro2 feels solid, but very usable in the palm of your hand.
HTC have pushed the boundaries for Windows Devices once again, the HTC Touch Pro2 is a must for a gadget fan, personal or business user

I've just bought one

Extremely Jelious! lol
Im gonna ring T-Mobile and find out if they have any news on one arriving

Spoke to Orange (UK) yesterday, and a really helpful lady said she doesn't know the exact date but it will be out within the next two weeks and that as soon as she gets information she will text me.
I'll post anything of use.

Just Rang T-Mobile (UK) and they said i can get one Next week
Was due to be released this week but its been pushed back to next week

I wish Orange would just put it under 'coming soon' on their website, gah.
I wonder how much they'll list it for, I'll try and get it for free either way. I usually seem to be quite good at getting free phones from Orange.

Chap i spoke to said on my contract which is £45/month give or take with WnW and what not should be free.

I've found Orange's phones in the past tend to be cheaper on the cheaper contracts so I'm hopeful. Bleh, hurry up Orange I'm dying here

jaso2005 said:
Just Rang T-Mobile (UK) and they said i can get one Next week
Was due to be released this week but its been pushed back to next week
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My upgrade is due with t mobile so is good news. You sure they didn't think it compact v as it is unlike t mobile bring out a new phone so quickly.

billu said:
My upgrade is due with t mobile so is good news. You sure they didn't think it compact v as it is unlike t mobile bring out a new phone so quickly.
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Perhaps they're releasing them simultaneously to replace Compact/Vario IV. Would make sense I reckon, but they took ages to release vario IV so I'm not that confident.

Tomo said:
I've just bought one
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Congratulations, what phone do you currently have? I ask for comparison purposes.

I have an Athena which I use mainly for using office PC in client's premises via RDP. it's a bit clunky for a phone. I had a Touch Cruise which I gave to the wife when her PDA packed up. that had everything except video out, which I find useful, currently gone back to the Universal as an interim. I voted it as 'best ever' in the poll, but it's a little old and light on memory these days (so am I probably, now that I think about it!).
I think the Pro2 will suit me for a year or so. It's mainly business use, but I like the flashy stuff as well

I just rang t mobile and although they confirmed it will come out on their network, they wouldn't commit to a time frame.

T-Mobile hasnt set a date for UK launch, the guy in my local shop has my number the day he finds out a date, and i go in there once a week to pester him (im near it ever saturday)
but i did read this
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/22/htc-touch-pro2-spotted-as-t-mobile-wing-ii-in-the-wild.html
which says Germany some time in June with America 22 July (all on T-Mobile network) both under thename Wing II

Does this model work with ATT bands in the US. Man, I'm really hype about this phone.

I just got off the phone with sprint in the US. They said the TP2 is releasing for the first week of June in the states and its a 100% go. They already have the tech support in place. Some Sprint stores have them in stock but are not allowed to sell any yet.

Chap i spoke to from T-Mobile (UK) said they will almost definately have them in this time next week.
Also had a reply back from Clove, it DOES have FM radio in it

Orange UK Release Date?

Orange UK seem to be doing what they are best at.
Every time I speak to someone from Orange (once a week for the last 6 weeks) to find out if the Touch Pro 2 has been released I get a different answer.
Back on the 26th May I spoke to someone who had a look and said that the phone was still on the "coming soon" list. He had a look else where and found that the phone was listed to be first released as a SBC (Small Business Customer) phone and then a little later for none business users. He had no date but said it should be early to mid June.
Yesterday I was told there is still no date, but it should be released mid to late June. The guy at orange started to explain how to go about through a 3rd party to get the upgrade but then I lost my signal. I rang back and was then told that the phone would definatly not be out with in the next 4 weeks.
Today I rang up and was told that there is no date listed, but the phone is still just "coming soon". I said about the person from yesturday, but the lady has no idea why I was told a definate no for the next 4 weeks as it could come out tomorrow, 2 weeks, 4 weeks or not at all. I also asked about the phone first being available to business customers and was told that there is no mention about the phone being a business phone and the release would be wide spread across the whole of orange UK. The lady has also put me on a ring back service, will check daily to see if the phone had been released and let me know if it has... While I have no reason to dis-believe this, I dont hold much hope.
I have rang around, but cant find a phone dealer that can do an upgrade for me with the Touch Pro 2
Little to say, I am getting a bit tired of all the different answers I get.
When I got my Tytn 2 from orange it was only listed as a business phone and I think the Touch Pro 2 will probably be the same way
Does any one here have any more information or shed any light on the release of the phone as an orange branded handset, be it for business or none business use.

Firstly I'll say that their ring-back service worked for me. This was back when the TyTN2 was released. They sent me a text on the day it became available telling me to call them, which I did instantly. The next day I had the phone in my hands. So have some faith.
However, the wait may be long, or short.
I used to be on Orange (having been a VERY loyal, high spending customer) for many years, but I have since become very cheesed off with their outdated tariffs and delays bringing phones to the market.
I have now switched to Vodafone, and while I don't get anywhere near as good signal strength, they provide a decent enough service for me.
I am sad I had to move away from orange, but it's too little too late.

See, I like Orange's service and the service plan I am on is very good value for money and they consider me somewhat of a 'loyal customer'.
I am in exactly the same boat as you, I've been speaking to different people and it's gone from 'within 2 weeks' (this was mid may I was told this) to the phone not being listed on the system, to the Diamond2 being released?
It seems the HD is out of stock and I had been told that it was being discontinued and replaced by another handset. Some reps have told me that it was Touch Pro2 and some have told me they do not know.
I've just been emailing Orange (they have this irritating habit where you hit the reply button and a different person replies) all of them told me it was only going to be released on Business, but like another person in this thread I also have a TyTn II on a personal account.
This morning the Touch HD was taken off the website! So I'm going to keep playing it from the angle of 'What phone is going to replace the HD on the personal account' and 'I want a Windows Mobile phone with a keyboard because I can't stand purely touch screen phones!
I really really want to keep my contract and just get an Orange branded Pro2

Just spoke to them on the phone about the HD disappearing off the website. Apparently they're looking at replacing it with the Touch Diamond2 and when I said does that have a keyboard? He said no it doesn't but the Touch Pro2 does (in a hesistant voice).
I went on to ask whether that would be available for me to upgrade to as a personal user and he said yes it should be, but there is no indication of price yet as it's too early on.
I'm sure the next person I speak too, will tell me otherwise...

The Orange tariffs seem to suit me quite well... There might be a better tariff for me somewhere, but at the moment my monthly bill only usually differs pennies each month and i can really hammer the phone some months.
When I asked about the upgrade price about a month I go I was told that I would probably get the phone for free being that I am a long time loyal high value none business customer (have been on one of the top tariffs now for 6 or 7 years).
Infact when I got the tytn2 (which was only available for business customers at the time), Orange actually credited my account with £100 for me to stay and take the the phone off their hands.
I guess only time will tell with the rhodium
I just wish that Orange would be a bit quicker at releasing new phones.
Out of interest, I wonder if Orange list the rhodium as having an inbuilt GPS receiver. Orange seem to insist that the rhodium does not have a GPS, although it does have an FM radio :S Come to think about it, they also insisted that the tytn2 didnt have a GPS either when I upgraded to that

I got another response today from someone that seemed a bit more human.
Hello
Thank you for your email into the Orange shop.
I have checked the website and we have 2 HTC phones on sale.
We have the HTC Touch 3G and the HTC Touch Diamond(tm)
http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/all
We also have the HTC Touch Pro 2 in review at the moment. Fingers crossed
this one will make the cut as it's a brilliant phone.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html
Hope this helps
Sarah
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I'm reckoning I might get it for free, although I haven't been as long term as you with Orange, I just want them to list it as coming soon! It's driving me mad, I can be so impatient with stuff like this sometimes haha.

For orange France it's not planned yet...
I wait because I want to by it with mobile contract at less price than unbranded...

Greenturtle said:
I just want them to list it as coming soon! It's driving me mad, I can be so impatient with stuff like this sometimes haha.
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Yup +1 that.... Orange are in danger of loosing out if they wait much longer- Hmm Xperia X2 anyone?

I've had our company phones with Orange for over 10 years, but have just switched to Vodafone. We save around £500 per month (20 Touch Pro and Pro 2 all free), have all data included in the plan plus managed services with antivirus, firewall etc and the cuistomer service people I speak with are much more responsive than Orange. No problems with connectivity. The choice of handset and talk / data plans is far better than Orange and in the 3 months we've been with Vodafone I have experienced no probs whatsoever.

goatistuta said:
I've had our company phones with Orange for over 10 years, but have just switched to Vodafone. We save around £500 per month (20 Touch Pro and Pro 2 all free), have all data included in the plan plus managed services with antivirus, firewall etc and the cuistomer service people I speak with are much more responsive than Orange. No problems with connectivity. The choice of handset and talk / data plans is far better than Orange and in the 3 months we've been with Vodafone I have experienced no probs whatsoever.
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See, I've been provided a fabulous service with Orange. My price plan is very cheap and I get a lot for my money. I'm on the £8 a month internet bundle which apparently is limited to 500mb or whatever but I usually use over a gig a month and never get charged.
I'm going to wait it out, I just up hope some new information crops up in the next week. They'd be able to release it if Orange didn't bog down the phone with so much crap!

wootty2000 said:
Orange UK seem to be doing what they are best at.
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Not helpful sorry, but if its any consolation, I am getting the same run around from o2. Least with Orange, they have to keep releasing the 'business' class devices. o2 (I think) are going to limit the new devices to push people towards the iphone (sorry for swearing) or blackberry. Neither of which I personally want.

I just spoke with Orange business Sales
They say it should be available to first for Business Sales than Upgrades,
It will be available after the end of the 19th of July

eresen said:
They say it should be available to first for Business Sales than Upgrades,
It will be available after the end of the 19th of July
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What's your source, what's your source!?
Was that meant to say 'then' rather than 'than'? I'm really hoping that you mean will be available for new contracts after the 19th of July as apposed to starting the release then...

Orange have updated their coming soon page on the consumer site.... no sign of TP2 yet
However I've been diligently checking the page for the past few months (I know, i know...) and updates seem to take place around 14-16th of each month.
Hoping that this darn phone turns up soon.

ibanyard said:
Orange have updated their coming soon page on the consumer site.... no sign of TP2 yet
However I've been diligently checking the page for the past few months (I know, i know...) and updates seem to take place around 14-16th of each month.
Hoping that this darn phone turns up soon.
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Haha, I've been doing this too. I may as well have it as my homepage.. They have definitely updated the Coming Soon list at least twice this month (including today) so I don't think your theory is entirely true.
Come on Orange! My contract expires this week!

Just spoken with Orange and the phone is currently in testing and it there will only be limited number handset to start off with for Business Account holders .
Imagine Orange are fecking up software as we speak

Orange is busy with the Iphone 3GS in pre-ordering and nothing for the TP2...

ed_bracam said:
Orange is busy with the Iphone 3GS in pre-ordering and nothing for the TP2...
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They're releasing the iPhone 3Gs? I didn't know O2 weren't keeping it exclusively anymore.
Orange updated their coming soon list! No TP2 though

Just got off the phone with Orange.
Apparently it's 'limited stock' at the moment and that the update on their server today said that they were in testing mode. If it pasts tests then it will be given to business customers in limited stock, then if it is popular they'll release it to personal customers.
What was interesting, was that he said if an Orange shop stocks the phone, they might be a to give to you on a personal contract as 'they have more leeway than the telesales'.
Sigh, the wait carries on...

ORANGE now sell the TP2
http://www.business.orange.co.uk/se...1=Phone&pagename=Business&t=SMEDeviceFeatures

HTC Touch Pro 2 on O2...

What's with O2... they haven't confirmed anything about any new XDA phones....especially and XDA in the form of HTC Touch Pro 2 :-(
There is an interesting thread on the O2 forums where O2 claim that the Touch Pro2 is too similar to the iphone and will not be releasing it on the O2 network.
Any confirm or deny this please?
The link to the O2 forum thread on this subject is here:
http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=20249
(is this link allowed? If not, my apologies- admin feel free to remove it!)
I have an old HTC Tytn from Vodafone UK, i left them last month, a day before they announced HTC Touch Pro2! I'm now with O2....so will be very gutted if they don’t release TP2 :-(
Cheers
Riaz

confirmed from O2 UK...
just got this from O2...
Good afternoon, Thank you for your enquiry. We unfortunately do not have any indication as to whether the HTC Touch Pro 2 will be released on the O2 network. Please feel free to give us a call on 0800 781 0202 if you wish to discuss alternative options. Our lines are open between 8am and 9pm Monday to Friday and 9am to 5:30pm on weekends. We look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Jerome Van RooyenO2 Business Marketing Team

HTC_Riaz said:
just got this from O2...
Good afternoon, Thank you for your enquiry. We unfortunately do not have any indication as to whether the HTC Touch Pro 2 will be released on the O2 network. Please feel free to give us a call on 0800 781 0202 if you wish to discuss alternative options. Our lines are open between 8am and 9pm Monday to Friday and 9am to 5:30pm on weekends. We look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Jerome Van RooyenO2 Business Marketing Team
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Keep an eye on http://mobiles.co.uk.
A mate of mine got a HD from them.
Dave

looks like they are not releasing (well not yet anyway) the Touch Pro 2 or Diamond 2 on O2!
this is ridiculous comparing them to the Iphone - XDA's are totally different (and much better!)
looks like people on businees tariff will get screwed over as they won't be able to get the latest handsets.
If they are similar to the Iphone does that mean they won't release any more high end XDA's? - Windows mobile has been touch screen pretty much since day one!

O2 have really let themselves down just lately. I had an XDA Serra (Touch Pro) from them after selling my HTC branded one to make a bit of extra cash. After the HTC one was sold, the Serra died, just out of nowhere, the screen faded to black and never came back on. The buttons worked and I could even see what was meant to be on the screen through SOTI Pocket Controller on my PC, but the screen was just dead. I returned it woth the "promise" of a replacement "as soon as they were back in stock". Needless to say they never were back in stock, and what was the best thhey could offer me??? An XDA Zest. Please! They tried to sell it to me like it was the new iPhone or something. In reality, I knew more about their WinMos than the sales guy did, and to be honest that frustrated me big time, because he wouldn't listen...
So now O2 only have the XDA Ignito (Diamond) and XDA Zest available. A pretty poor selection for a company that used to have such great devices for their time. I can only see it going one way from here...iPhone, iPhone, bloody iPhone. They have already said they are not tied to HTC, which suggests to me that they are moving away to less kind-of iPhone-beater/competitor models, which they've also said they wont stock due to their exclusivity with Apple.
I do my own upgrades....get the most valuable handset O2 will give you (even if you don't like it), sell it on ebay, use the money you get back to buy the latest HTC device when it's released, sell it on when they release a new one you like the look of. Don't hold on to one for too long (I'd say 9 months is about the limit) because they'll lose too much value and you'll end up spending too much extra to get the new model you want. Keep your O2 contract running, you can still take their most valuable upgrade every 12/18 months and pocket the cash, and you get all your inclusive minutes, texts, data allowance etc.
Once you have taken the first step in forking out for the device you want (by selling your upgrade or digging deep into your own pocket), it's really just about keeping up with HTC, which isn't that hard. I now have a Rhodium/TP2 that cost me nearly nothing due to using this method of self-upgrading.

I am one of the people on that O2 thread expressing my anger.
I have the Serra at the moment and my contract is due for an upgrade 10th of August.
I am very annoyed because at the moment my only choices are the Zest (not Zinc ) and the Ignito. So what do they expect me to upgrade to?
I acquired my Serra through an insurance claim about a month ago as I broke my Stellar and they were no longer in production with O2. (Bargain!) So It is not to bad If I have to stick with it for a while, aslong as O2 do expect to release something new...
At the moment I am sure all they would offer me is the Iphone... Ha. No.
Have emailed them various times, but never really get a brilliant answer from them...
On the plus side, O2 Germany do have the Diamond 2 on sale and the Touch HD... Hope us Britain's get cut some slack to!

I've commented in that thread as well.
The bottom line is that O2 are so obviously pushing the iPoke that they think they can run a complete business model based on it. People like ourselves who look for something up to date and technically impressive are left out in the cold.
If the network won't stock it, then the choices are either ditch the network on the next upgrade or upgrade with a damn good phone you don't want, sell it on eBay and use the money towards a phone you DO want.
My wife's phone is due an upgrade in September so she can start upgrading in August. She wants the HTC Magic, but you can only get that on Vodafone. I've asked her to upgrade to the TP2 (for me), I'll sell my X1 on eBay, and use the money to buy her a HTC Magic SIM free.

ZenithUK said:
I've commented in that thread as well.
The bottom line is that O2 are so obviously pushing the iPoke that they think they can run a complete business model based on it. People like ourselves who look for something up to date and technically impressive are left out in the cold.
If the network won't stock it, then the choices are either ditch the network on the next upgrade or upgrade with a damn good phone you don't want, sell it on eBay and use the money towards a phone you DO want.
My wife's phone is due an upgrade in September so she can start upgrading in August. She wants the HTC Magic, but you can only get that on Vodafone. I've asked her to upgrade to the TP2 (for me), I'll sell my X1 on eBay, and use the money to buy her a HTC Magic SIM free.
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Exactly what I was saying. This is by far the best method...do your own upgrades. You get the handset you want rather than what they are limited to offering you.

I've just spoken to a pretty helpful guy in retentions called Paul. His line was that the Touch Pro 2 and the Touch Diamond 2 were both going to be coming at some point, but couldn't say when because of a combination of the iphone release and looking at how well the the TP2/TD2 fare.
Interestingly he tried to pursuade me to stay with the allure of the Palm Pre (which he mistakenly said was also WM) which will be out in the next couple of months.

Thanks nosdrahcir very useful to know that O2 (might) be releasing it....but why are we getting mixed messages from O2....i'm sure they will be losing business customers to Vodafone if they continue in this way!
I just got this from our O2 business manager...
Thank you for your enquiry Mr xxxxx. We do not have any immediate plans of selling the HTC Touch Pro 2 (or the O2 equivalent) on the O2 network.
arghhh.. how frustrating
Riaz

o2 is launching the touch pro2 on 1st july in GERMANY ..

And they only announced that 5 days before the fact (3 working days).
Do you really think O2 UK will give you much more notice than that?
The correct answer is "Don't count on it".

I was on a SIM only contract with O2 with my Touch Pro. My TP is now on ebay (ends saturday) and i have started a contract with Vodafone.
When i rang up O2 there customer service was pretty ****ty (although when i rang up to cancel contract very nice. Surprising!) and they said there were a few new O2 XDA phones coming through in the next month or so and you could wait for them if you want.
As you can see i couldnt wait and now ive moved to Vodafone.

Well with it being available in Germany and in the Czech Republic now, you would hope they would bring it to the UK soon. I can wait until September/October if need be. But then I will be already 2/3 months out of contract...

New business-model
Talking with a nice telephon-girl she told me, that O2 is going to seperate mobilephones and phonecontracts. So it doesn't matter whether you buy at ebay or amazon.com or at o2. I think there will be some paying-models - but in future the phone and your contract should be seperately sold.
Also Vertrag und Telefon werden getrennt verkauft und nicht wie bisher üblich gemeinsam.

got mine from mobile.co.uk
well started with the touch hd
dropped on floor screen cracked then the insurance with o2 sent me the lovely pro 2
lucky me

HTC TP2: Can anyone answer my MPD - Vodafone & T-Mobile contracts question

I wanted to ask MPD about two different contracts I am interested in below as I really would like to order a Touch Pro 2 today, but they never answer the phone!:
T-Mobile
700
Minutes
per month Unlimited
Text
+
Unlimited mobile web
per month £34.26
Line rental
per month
was £35.00 3 months
Free insurance
+
2.5% VAT Off
Line Rental
Looks good until you look at the info, maximum browsing cost per day £1!!!!
Vodafone:
300
Minutes
per month Unlimited
Text
+
Unlimited mobile web
per month £34.26
Line rental
per month
was £35.00 3 months
Free insurance
+
2.5% VAT Off
Line Rental
Now this deal looks good too but says nothing about daily browsing costs, nor does it on the Vodafone website.
Can anyone confirm that both above deals incurr EXTRA browsing/email/surfing costs?
I want to buy my HTC TP2 today but there is no point getting it and having to incurr large daily charges for a device that really is going to primarily be connected to the net daily.
Cheers

Both deals have inclusive internet so there will be no additional charge.
The T-Mobile £1 charge only applies if you don't have an add on Web n'Walk package, which the contract you quoted does have.
I think the W&W deal has a fair use policy of 1gb. I have had W&W for a few years now and despite tethering to my laptop and using data on my WM devices heavily I have never had a letter from T-Mobile asking me to reduce my use.
However I am concerned about the difficulty in contacting MPD. My TP2 is misbehaving. Not sure yet if it is a hardware fault but lack of communications with MPD worries me. Guess I will have to contact HTC but I want the option of a replacement handset rather than a repair.

Thank you for you're reply aerotec.
Well to be honest I have contacted them by email (wednesday) with no reply and called them around 10 times since then with no reply including leaving voice mail this morning - this is very worrying and a major issue if anything goes wrong with the phone, it has totally put me off.
I'm considering Expansys now as they have returned all my emails quickly, I didnt even have to call.
I hope yours gets sorted mate.

if you go directly to voda mate, on their bussiness page, you can get a free HTC TP2, 900 mins, unlimited texts, unlimited internet for £34.03 + vat... hold in, i'll link it.
HERE IT IS
18 month contract... are the ones you list 18mnth ?
It looks alot better to go directly to voda or am i missing something ?
EDIT : To get the plan i was on about, hit the 18 month click box and click 'view all plans'

The MPD deal is still pretty good. I took the 12 month deal as it worked out about the same as buying it unconnected.
I just hope I can sort out the handset problem though it has worked ok today.
I drove 5hrs yesterday and the TP2 kept giving me connection errors and Tomtom kept hanging on me. Why can't my gadgets just WORK!

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if you go directly to voda mate, on their bussiness page, you can get a free HTC TP2, 900 mins, unlimited texts, unlimited internet for £34.03 + vat... hold in, i'll link it.
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18 month contract... are the ones you list 18mnth ?
It looks alot better to go directly to voda or am i missing something ?
EDIT : To get the plan i was on about, hit the 18 month click box and click 'view all plans'
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Thats the exact deal I got, although they don't have any more stock till monday apparently, but there was one available in my local store so she reserved it for me, and i picked it up same day.
MPD supply a non-brandaed, stock HTC TP2, where is vodafones is branded is the only real difference.

Thats a damn good deal, beats T-Mobile hands down.
I wish I could get one from my local store, but none have any.
I would prefer non-branded, but I'll definately take a look at that!
Thanks!
EDIT: Pretty sure -T-Mobile give you 1GB fair usage policy whereas Voda is 500MB?

I've just signed up for that deal aswell, and yeah, no stock till monday, I went to my local store and they'd just sold the only one they had... so i gotta wait
Apparently coz it's a bussiness phone local stores hold hardly any stock anyways..
More time to dowload goodies and fill up the 8GB card i just bought for it
EDIT : Also my local store didn't want to honour this deal as they said ' it's a bussiness only deal, were not a bussiness shop' so i'd recommend calling the number on the voda site, they were pleasant enough to deal with.

Don't go with T-Mobile, they're worse than useless.
In this thread, issues I've had with them:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529984

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EDIT: Pretty sure -T-Mobile give you 1GB fair usage policy whereas Voda is 500MB?
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yeah, thats right... I can live with that though... i doubt i'll download anywhere near 500MB in a month over the air... but horses for courses.

You guys are a great help thanks.
Ok I phoned Vodafone, they are currently stocking them in:
Middlesborough (18!!)
Guildford
Thats about it according to the really helpful lady that I spoke to.
I wont be using T-Mobile then based on your issues mate, cheers.

By the way, how bad is the branding? is it possible to get rid of it using another ROM yet?

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By the way, how bad is the branding? is it possible to get rid of it using another ROM yet?
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I quite like it (not sure how many share my opinion here though).
Was getting bored of the black HTC theme on my other HTC phones (TyTN II/Touch HD).
To change the ROM you'd just need to install a new bootloader to unlock it and then install whatever ROM. I think the stock ROMs are available on the wiki, bear in mind it invalidates your warranty though. I've not done it myself since having the original TyTN handset and loading a custom ROM but it's fairly simple, a mate of mine did his TP1 the other day when he was round my place, didn't really pay much attention but it was basically the same process.

Ok sounds easy enough, thanks.
So would this also enable me to download the official HTC ROMs and the WM 6.5? or do you need to have an unbranded HTC phone for this?
Sorry if this is a stupid question.
MPD got back to me finally so all good.
So my choice is now unbranded (at extra cost £89 with a slightly inferiour voda contract) or branded (free with a better contract) - hmmm!

from how i see it... i might be wrong (i'm still wet behind the ears) you cant flash any rom to any TP2 yet untill someone comes up with a hardSPL for it (dunno about un-branded though) someone please confirm ?
From what i've read in the rom devolopment section they're working on it.
Once that's done.. you'll be able to whack any ROM on it and get rid of any branding.
Till then you gotta live with the branding i think.

Thanks - all my questions answered, much appreciated all.

The branding is AWFUL! pink white grey and black
But it is very easy to undo without flashing. There is a thread in the themes section, install one file and its gone

got mine from MPD and yeah they were a pain to get thru too via phone sometimes and email! i am very persistent so kept ringing till i got an answer sometimes 5 times back to back but i get thru. emails were answered quite quickly and i even had my contracts emailed to me for signing so i could get phone next day.............impressive! i did however speak to another gentleman who had no clue what i was on about when i enquired bout the postage of my phone. i got the t-mobile combi 30 deal where you got 700 mins plus unlimited texts w/out w&w as i already have a t-mobile line fully loaded on flext 35. it cost me £29.15 monthly and i paid £45 for phone!
that deal for £34.25 is quite good and phone is free. you get an unbranded and unlocked handset which is the biggest plus. getting the phone from voda direct means that it will come with their version of the stock rom which is not very good at all! keep ringing till MPD answers as they do eventually..............you need to get phone unbranded to truly experience the beauty of the phone. that IMO beats the lack of contact from MPD. when you do get thru you will get sorted. i think it gets rather busy in there and it is only a small shop with limited number of staff. it is also a walk in shop not online based like others. if they are busy dealing with walk in customers they won't answer phone!

stunno said:
The branding is AWFUL! pink white grey and black
But it is very easy to undo without flashing. There is a thread in the themes section, install one file and its gone
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that doesn't get rid of the overal performance as base rom will still be voda branded and doesn't work well at all

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By the way, how bad is the branding? is it possible to get rid of it using another ROM yet?
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pretty bad from what i have been told! you can't flash custom roms at present till hard spl is released. this will also have a security unlock that will enable you to flash custom roms. ETA is not known but it is work in progress. in branded state you will only be able to flash voda updates. HTC rom or future htc updates you will not be able to use till hrad spl is available. even if you remove the look of the phone the base rom will still be voda and that is the issue. the unbranded handset with stock rom works far better than voda branded one! IMO the choice is clear!

Pros & Cons...? to buy direct from a network or not?

The Desire will be my first smartphone. I wanted to know whether it's recommended to buy direct from a network provider.
T-Mobile seem to have some reasonable deals for the Desire. Do I buy direct from them, or look to somewhere like mobilescouk or another reseller, where I think the phone is unlocked and comes with no network branding? (but the overall price is higher)
From what I've read so far, it looks like the main concerns with buying direct would be about network specific 'crapware', and potential delays in updates to firmware/ROM.
What are the Pros & Cons of either option? Any thoughts please?

My honest opinion is go for T-mobile... my handset will cost 24mths £330. But unlike just buying a handset from somewhere else, I get messages, minutes, internet included!
If want it unlocked I think it will cost £15. Regarding the updates not sure what the difference really is.. its my first Android phone and still learning (and not missing WinMo at all!)

I'm wondering about this myself. I have one on order from clove but my wallet is getting itchy. The 3G signal on t-mobile is dire round here.
[EDIT] SIM only from O2 will have to do I guess...

i ordered mine over telephone from tmobile and waiting for it probably till tuesday
tmobile has the best offers on their webiste, all the other retailers have worst deals, though tmobile has simlocked handsets and retailers dont. but for £15 you can get it unlocked. and service is quite good and no problem with returns if you see any faults.
if you dont want tmobile then dont look at other providers webistes such as vodafone cuz their offer is crap comparing to i.e. mobiles.co.uk
carphone warehouses offer is also really expensive comparing with others however you get your phone straight without waiting etc
retailers tend to mess up delivery times and might have some problems with returns.

I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide what to do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see what they're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day

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Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!

daverave999 said:
I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!
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Yea the 7 day return period comes in handy.
Now looks like i will definitely be going unlocked because 3 have just released their contract price and it's not as good as T mobs.
Just have to decide if i keep the £15 sim only now.

Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?

inoffthepost said:
Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?
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t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before

GGG10 said:
I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide w o do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see w hey're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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if you dont like the idea of being trapped then put it this way, if you have the upfront cash put that into a bank account and use that to pay the monthly bills that way if something new comes out you will be no worse off just buy that and pay off the contract and its still less. just go for it.

cez10 said:
t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before
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Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?

inoffthepost said:
Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?
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I am not 100% sure if unlocking debrands the phone as well
De-branding basically means removing awful operator firmware, and replacing it with the manufacturers original firmware. Hence converting your phone to the full spec as it was intended by the manufacturer. (the way it should be)
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I think your worrying about something you dont need to t-mobile have the best offers on the market so far andI dont think it will change quickly, even if you choose to unlock your phone youre still saving money comparing to other retailers prices
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