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Orange Homescreen on non orange phone? (customization)

hello to all
I installed Orange Homescreen on my WM5 blue-angel.
It it by far the cleanest plug-in I've ever used! Two problems though:
1. The URLs seem to be hard coded - anyway of changing that?
2. On the contacts "tab" there is an option for speed dial, but it generates an error when I try to use it - is there some other CAB I need to install?
Thank you!

Hi AdmiralAK,
I love the Orange today plugin too, but have had a lot of trouble installing it on the other Rom's for my Universal. Can you tell which files you used to install it :?:
As for the problems your having:
1. The URL's can be changed by editing the Full_one.xml file.
But your still limited to four.
2. In the Orange Rom, some of the files have a lower case t prefix.
Try changing renaming your speed dial executable. It might work :wink:

Thanks!
I downloaded the homescreen cab from somewhere on this board (this was a few days ago so I am not completely sure). I found two versions. One was in the ftp://xda-developers.com/Universal/Extended_ROMs/Orange Extended ROM/
(this one I did not install because I had the otherone already installed)
(ok after a little looking I found it)
I am actually using the Orange Homescreen from the Orange SPV M3100 (hermes device) - this is the one that is installed on my Blue angel and it works without a problem. --> I am attaching it.
(I apologize to the forum for postnig the same file again - I cannot find the link to it)
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As for the speed dialer - I don't think I have the application installed on my blue angel (I am using the 1.3beta rom from HELMI and I don't seem to be able to find it) in my device - any idea where to get it?
Also, is the XML file that I need to edit in the windows/ directory?
Thanks

google tells me that the full_one.xml file is in my windows directory...but I dont see it :-/

The CAB from the Orange Ext ROM is just the reg settings, its no good without the files from the Orange ROM.
I'll try the file you posted this weekend [if I get the chance] :?
Yes, the XML file is in the Windows folder.
It works inconjuction with the HomeScreen.dll, with some icons stored in contactsico.dll.
I've added these files and the prefixed t files from the Windows folder of my Universal, I hope they're useful.

Have you tried the file ?

Hmm.. performing back up now.. and going to try it out. Hope it is easy to uninstall.
[UPDATE]
Ok, tested out the plugin. It is a nice plugin. Make your phone more like a phone than a PDA. It gives you one hand operation by using the direction buttons, making calls and stuff. However, since it will disable all other plugins, I won't recommend others whom uses Today calendar plugins such as Pocket Breeze, TodayAgenda, TodayPlus, etc.. to use this orange plugin. Uninstall is easy.
Screen shot of it here http://www.coolsmartphone.com/article569.html
under the section `INSIDE`. It is the same for smart phone and pda phone. You will see all the options available. And the 'Today' option actually sends you to the (built in) Calendar day view.

Hi, have you used the cab file and zip file above ?

Ok, I tried the plugin posted here by AdmiralAK, on my Universal.
First thing I noticed was it actually ran on the O2 ROM.
Second thing was how small the icons are compared to the plguin built into the Orange Universal ROM.
But I guess that makes sence as the screens are very different sizes. More importantly must of the plugin works fine.
I'm sure a little editing would probably have it all working.
What I did notice is its totally different to the Universal plugin, none of the files i've edited to get the universal version working the way I want it to, exist in this version. Hence the Full_one.xml, t* and .bmh files are not in the Windows folder.
I've gone back to the Orange ROM, as I have it running the way I want and the bigger icons are easier to use on the Universal. But i'll be keeping this version as I may get a TyTn next year.

Cool program. But too bad, limited customizable.
Hi people,
Great software, I was looking to try this on my MDA Vario. Too bad of it's limitations. Good to try out and see how it works.
Though I was thinking of visually designing a kind of similar application and find some great developers on this site to help me create it. Of course if anyone is interested in this kind of functionality.
Anyone already interested? let me know. i hope to have some draft ideas on here in the form of screenshots as soon as possible. but now it's diner time see ya.
Cheers,
Shah.

I have tried editing the 'full_one.xml' file, then soft reset....however it hasn't changed anything...
did i miss something?

Hi guy,
I've tried to resize the icon of plug-in and it's ok in portrait but no in landscape, I think it's a registry problem for landscape.
I'd like to use the plug-in on no orange rom.
I'll find the way to get more than 4 custom option but i get without icon.
The file full_one.xml is linked with other file of the orange rom so I think that's one problem.

@Shah2,
I'd be interested in a plugin like this, that has a few more options [see below] and works on all ROM's.
I have no programing skills or abilities, but i'd help out where I can. :wink:
@minty1978,
The Full_one.xml file only lets you edit the Labels and the URL's in the plugin.
@filippodisvevia,
I'd like to use the plug-in on a none Orange ROM too.
Then I wouldn't have to kepp hiding my Universal from the IT guys at work. :lol:
The 3 things I'd like to change on the plugin are:
1. Have more than 5 URL's in the Web section.
2. Have more than 4 programs in the Launch section.
3. Have all seven sections appear on the screen [at least in portrate mode][/i]

I'm a littlebit busy but I want resolve this match.
Stay tuned

Concept Orange Homescreen Pimped Beta 0.1
Hi people,
I told ya that I was interested in making the Orange Homescreen even better than it is at the moment.
THESE ARE PURELY PHOTOSHOP MOCKUPS!
Image number 1 shows the use of today plugin as we know them. It's just to give an example. All the other screens speak for themselves.
If anyone has his/her own ideas please share them in this thread. I would also like to draw the attention of developers who might be interested in creating this for real, and not just some photoshop images, please let me know.
Cheers,
Shah

Hi Shah,
Thats way more complex, than I was looking for. :shock:
But, If this was to be built as a new plugin, hopefully it could be scalable, using a .ini or .xml file. Like the real Orange plugin does. 8)
The only I don't really like, is the other plugins showing as in pic.1.
I have other plugins switched on while i'm at work, and the Orange one at night. I find the empty desktop more relaxing. :wink:

ZaForD said:
Hi Shah,
Thats way more complex, than I was looking for. :shock:
But, If this was to be built as a new plugin, hopefully it could be scalable, using a .ini or .xml file. Like the real Orange plugin does. 8)
The only I don't really like, is the other plugins showing as in pic.1.
I have other plugins switched on while i'm at work, and the Orange one at night. I find the empty desktop more relaxing. :wink:
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Hi ZaForD
The complexity is actually quite limited. Because if you use the plugin most of the options are the same. Most of the items are just additions to the rest of the plugin.
And for the pic 1. I can image it's not that nice. But with input we can work on making it more general so that people will like it.
Personally I would like to have the standaard Today screen plugins visible because they are still usefull.
It's also a possibility that all the items are configerable to meet users needs. For example standaard options like the original homescreen for users that want the basic functionalities, and advanced options for users who want more options. so that every page is user configerable.
Anything is possible in Photoshop haha. but seriously if there are any developers who are interested please leave a note.
Cheers,
Shah

I stopped using the plugin - no matter how much I liked it - because it did not show me tasks tat need to be done.
I would be interested in something more complex than it is now (at least show me my tasks) but maybe not as complex as the mockups. scalability would be cool

What do you think he is trying to do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=63214&highlight=

Any updates on this?
I have a Prophet and tested the plugin, however there are some things that I can't edit (cause I don't have an Orange ROM)...

[RELEASE] Elf Edition LVSW - based on 05/19/2007

New ROM release From LegolasTheElf
LegolasTheElf said:
Stand by, I've been cooking. I took LVSW's most awesome ROM, and made some minor changes.
1) Messenger and Live Integration
2) Live Search!
3) X-Button (although, I don't like it personally )
4) Removed Cyberon
5) BIG STORAGE!
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You will find it HERE
Enjoy people.

Upgrade Guide for WM6 Elf Edition
Enjoy
Lets keep this thread clean please....only post about this ROM.
Space reserved for any comments by our resident in spirit elf

link for high speed http mirror sent to legolas, it will be posted on the other forum!

Awesome rom
Stable and all included
Nice work

I cannot unlock Ext flash with this rom, it was accesable on Dutty's rom

Hi Chamelion any possibility to put a link for this rom, in another friendly site like megaupload, I also don't like rapidshare at all. Thanks

So far great ROM..
Thanks for not including cyberon vc it makes it much easier to get ms vc going.

Everything else seems to work just fine, but voice dialling ain't working (Error opening the short cut). This same happened with lvsw's version (and with Black 3.0).
How do I fix this?
[edit]
Never mind, just installed Cyberion Voice Dialer.cab
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carbunco said:
Hi Chamelion any possibility to put a link for this rom, in another friendly site like megaupload, I also don't like rapidshare at all. Thanks
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got an even friendlier site called zimuhost.getmyip.com
there's a high speed HTTP mirror posted in the forum that the original posters link links to. i'm anti rapidshare, hence me starting up the file hosting thing!

I found another problem, that I never had before When I change anything via control panel Today, then nothing really happend, only after SR.This is odd, because if I want to use SPB products, then I must SR device each time, I make any changes. Till now I did not read or search on forum about this problem (or if somebody actually have same problem as I), I going to flash device again only if problem did not dissapear, then I start looking for answers.
PS: with original LVSW last version this problem was not.
/update\
now I find some posts about this prob here till now, no sollution.

For those of you who want ms vc over headset.
Its probably best to not have the headset paired so unpair it and just add it after all the steps.
1.) Install MS VC 1.6
2.) Install attached .cab
3.) In programs launch BT Voice Command Config
4.) Check enable
5.) Click save
6.) Click Exit
7.) Turn off phone
8.) Turn on phone
9.) Pair bt headset
I take no credit for this program it was done by XCSdM and later modified by ZaJules..
This works perfect for me no other tricks or reg edits zilch, nada, nothing. You might want to set voice command to button 5 though.

Is the x-button works like it should with elf version? I mean does the exclusive click working & what build is in this ROM version? thanks in advance

today not refreshing only after SR
For those who have problem with Today settings, this is reply and solution from LegolasTheElf copied from his forum - thank you
"It's looking like that today screen issue is caused by the X-Button. To remove it, go to the Remove Programs settings applet and remove it. Because of the way this ROM is built, you can remove my additions I'm actually going to be building my ROM's in a different way than anyone else--by using mostly CABs to do the customization rather than imbedding into the ROM itself. IMHO, this is a better design as it allows people to customize their device, and reclaim storage space if they don't like the items I've included in the ROM "

sinmae said:
For those who have problem with Today settings, this is reply and solution from LegolasTheElf copied from his forum - thank you
"It's looking like that today screen issue is caused by the X-Button. To remove it, go to the Remove Programs settings applet and remove it. Because of the way this ROM is built, you can remove my additions I'm actually going to be building my ROM's in a different way than anyone else--by using mostly CABs to do the customization rather than imbedding into the ROM itself. IMHO, this is a better design as it allows people to customize their device, and reclaim storage space if they don't like the items I've included in the ROM "
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thats good enuf! ..thanks for the info bro

sinmae said:
For those who have problem with Today settings, this is reply and solution from LegolasTheElf copied from his forum - thank you
"It's looking like that today screen issue is caused by the X-Button. To remove it, go to the Remove Programs settings applet and remove it. Because of the way this ROM is built, you can remove my additions I'm actually going to be building my ROM's in a different way than anyone else--by using mostly CABs to do the customization rather than imbedding into the ROM itself. IMHO, this is a better design as it allows people to customize their device, and reclaim storage space if they don't like the items I've included in the ROM "
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That´s exactly what I´ve tried today and so far so good.... it´s a pity as I liked the new version of x button!! Maybe our great chefs can find a solution at some point...

Sorry. I have got a little problem.
Can I make the Windows Live Search bar for "Transparency" background from today screen?

lewisleung said:
Sorry. I have got a little problem.
Can I make the Windows Live Search bar for "Transparency" background from today screen?
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u can't ..my way of doing it is to uninstall the apps, go to settings/remove programs ..and then install the one here http://rapidshare.com/files/32749891/WLM.rar.html
or another way, is to use sleuth developers variation of this LVSW ROM.. (it is pre-installed with the transparent windows live search bar)

kipe said:
u can't ..my way of doing it is to uninstall the apps, go to settings/remove programs ..and then install the one here http://rapidshare.com/files/32749891/WLM.rar.html
or another way, is to use sleuth developers variation of this LVSW ROM.. (it is pre-installed with the transparent windows live search bar)
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Thanks!
um... What version is it? BETA or Non BETA?

lewisleung said:
Thanks!
um... What version is it? BETA or Non BETA?
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version 10.6.0026.1400 ..it's non beta

Well, I WAS going to wait for a newer 1774x rom, but, given the fact that this ROM is working so well, I see no reason not to continue to use 17913 to cook my ROM..
So, hang tight for some new Elfishness in the coming days

iPhone CAB

For Those Who Wanted An iPhone ROM, Heres A CAB That Should Do Most Of What You Want.
Here It Is iPhone.cab
It Includes:-
Grumps - iPhone App
inphyy - iPhone App Configurer
A_C - Slide2UnLock
larna - iContacts
xelashiu - iPhone Dialer Skin
And A Welcomehead BMP That I Found On The Forum.
Hope It's Ok Not Fully Tested It Yet, Please Leave Feedback.
Cheers

Thx for the release?...are there any problems if I want to remove the CAB...in case I have some problems?
How is the response time of the OS after install....much slower than WM6 withouth this or...?
Regards,
Primoz

Pc78 said:
Thx for the release?...are there any problems if I want to remove the CAB...in case I have some problems?
How is the response time of the OS after install....much slower than WM6 withouth this or...?
Regards,
Primoz
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Gooooood question!
I'd like to take look, just fer ****s & giggles ye know? don't wanna screw up my current install now. I'm in far too happy a place, ROM wise

Already tried it out...but it is useless for me...respons...like 3-5 sec after tapping a button...5mb less free RAM...this is too much for me..
Regards,
Primoz

All I can say is that the Dialer will not work correctly on 8252 with CIN 3.5.2. There are some alignment issues with numbers.
Also it's impossible to enter the settings for the skin and PHONE icon not linked correctly.
Best Regards

Why is this in the WM6 forum? Does the CAB only work on WM6?

It probably doesn't belong in this topic, but why don't we try and change that?
Would there be interest in making a WM6 ROM that looks and acts almost like an iPhone? I can see there being some disadvantages and no doubt a lot of people will miss the today screen, but there might be a few people interested none the less.
Maybe it would be better to keep it as an "iPhone CAB" with everything on it, so that users can try it and remove it quite easy?
What other programs would we need in the ROM do you think?
I'm thinking it would be good to try and embed Piscel Browser, or similar at least, so that you have the fancy finger scrolling on websites.
Maybe we could add the ringtones as well....

Percz said:
It probably doesn't belong in this topic, but why don't we try and change that?
Would there be interest in making a WM6 ROM that looks and acts almost like an iPhone?
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Why not ! Could be fun to try at least, providing performance didnt render it unusable.

@Pc78
To Deal With The Response Times, Select Settings And You Should Be At The Configurator App, You Can Change The Response Times With This App.
@.VIBE
It Should Uninstall Correctly, As That Option Was Selected With WinCE CAB Manager
@dusank
Strange The Phone Link Works Fine On My Phone, Maybe Try It Again After A Soft Reset.
Cheers

Follow The Links That Are Posted In The First Post, For Information On How To Configure The Individual Apps.
Cheers

Does it include the filedialogchanger made by ??? which is posted with iConfig?
and could you write which versions of the apps in the .cab?
sorry, but im a little lazy atm so i havent downloaded it..

Problems with Dialer
This is my first post, can you put xelashiu WM6 version of the dialer in the cab file. because of the problems with key pad numbers lining up, otherwise great app Many Thanks
Oange SPVM3100
LVSW 3.30.2.1

GREAT CAB
Great cab, I was just looking forward to install a cab like these, but has only problem with the dialer, I hope can be fix. Thank you for the great work.

This CAB is very nice, but it was eaier to configure an iPhone theme using WAD with all the godies. Plus, you can put the icons wherever you want and add or delete them.
Unfortunately WAD is buggy and creates a soft reset from time to time. Other than that it's a nice app to play with!

I really like the start for this app... iContact is my favorite cause its a Stylusless UI. Now if everything else is ported it would be awesome!!! The dialer is a good start too but really needs work with simplifying it. It doesn't need to be that complicated and the look can be polished too. I'm willing to work on it with the developer if you need more of my feedback. I'm an interface designer by trade so please use me
I AM WILLING TO PAY IF SOMEONE WERE TO MAKE THE ENTIRE iPHONE OS AS A CAB OR WM6 REPLACEMENT!
Anyone else?

I'm a software developer with a fresh mind straight from Uni...so if anyone wants to team up let me know and I'd be happy to start on this project.

Slither I'm up for it!
I'll design the interfaces... You make them work!
Deal or No Deal?
Oh btw which direction would you like to go Cook our own ROM or CAB?

Deal
I like the CAB direction...btw I'm working full time so i'll dedicate time for the project mainly in the evenings and whenever I get time during work. PM me for design thoughts you have.
Cheers.

slither & and spidey
im excited to see what you guys will produce...

Sweeeeeettt!

Ideas for B&B version 4.2

I know that 4.1 is only just out & I think it's brilliant. I'm spending every evening checking new posts and playing with my phone like never before. So, before the 4.1 thread becomes the next thread with 1200 posts, I thought I'd start a new thread for ideas for 4.2
Tom - before I found the magic that is B&B I was using Wisbar Advance desktop and an application called innesoft address book which had a great feature that when someone called you, their photo was displayed full screen with their name (see thumbnails) rather than just the standard windows window.
Any chance you could devlelop something similar for 4.2 !!!
Cheers

pna said:
I know that 4.1 is only just out & I think it's brilliant. I'm spending every evening checking new posts and playing with my phone like never before. So, before the 4.1 thread becomes the next thread with 1200 posts, I thought I'd start a new thread for ideas for 4.2
Tom - before I found the magic that is B&B I was using Wisbar Advance desktop and an application called innesoft address book which had a great feature that when someone called you, their photo was displayed full screen with their name (see thumbnails) rather than just the standard windows window.
Any chance you could devlelop something similar for 4.2 !!!
Cheers
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Here is something that may hold you over, I am still trying to figure out how to use the caller id without the actual slide to unlock, bit here is something to tide you over, jsut a thought

Have a pretty much full screen keyboard for texting in landscape mode? The text appears at the top?
Is there a way we can assign a button to lock the phone rather than go thruogh the menu?
Cheers

Anybody knows if it is legal to include trial versions of apps in cooked rom?
Was thinking rom with included sktools, english dictionary of some kind, IM+, resco explorer, spb gprs monitor included on rom would save time and space. Apps included would be trial versions and ppl haveing bought them could just enter activation keys/serials, others could buy app if thy liked it.

kakainis said:
Anybody knows if it is legal to include trial versions of apps in cooked rom?
Was thinking rom with included sktools, english dictionary of some kind, IM+, resco explorer, spb gprs monitor included on rom would save time and space. Apps included would be trial versions and ppl haveing bought them could just enter activation keys/serials, others could buy app if thy liked it.
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This would be a waste of time and energy for most, these Roms are made to be efficient, the least amount of space used so that you as an individual can place your desired programs, once a rom is built there is no removing/uninstalling of any apps, hence the reason to not put trial versions into a rom, I use several of the above mentioned, but to "Bloat" a rom with them would be ineffecient. Best thing to do is install on your sd card, keep all your initial install cabs in one folder and use that as your rebuild folder. Cheers.

Juice05 said:
Have a pretty much full screen keyboard for texting in landscape mode? The text appears at the top?
Is there a way we can assign a button to lock the phone rather than go thruogh the menu?
Cheers
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This may assist you in this matter, Cheers.

...
Is it not worth remembering that everyone has a different list of killer apps they MUST have on their device?
If Tom & Meschle etc added every app - the rom would only just fit on a 40gb hard disk!!!
To my mind - the idea is that the cooked roms are a basis onto which you install your own apps to make your own device work?
Constanlty asking for new apps to be added to a rom just complicates the issue. Or am I wrong?

something so i can remotly use my desktop via PPC
then im complete

automated network setup like in the O2 WM6 Premium 1.0 WWE rom

Extended timers & alarms application
I'd like to avoid installing SpbTime on each version
Great job!

OK, i agree, rom should be as slim as possible, but why the hell there is cube, psshutXP, PHM regedit/traylaunch, and office mobile on it then?
Could make an ultra lite wersion. (=
P.S. Dont get me wrong, i think 4.1 is great and it is a lot faster than O2. Just throwing around ideas about how to make it better.

with my original post, I was not really asking for a copy of the app, just would like a much bigger photo to pop up with caller id and liked the look of the inesoft one.
Tom - what do you think?

Just trying to make the ROM easier to use, more efficient.
B&B 4.1 is far better than original ROM from this point of view
TouchFlo for example helps to have everything we need with a single finger move..
Phone app is a lot more usable also.
Perhaps also the possibility to customize HTC Home by default, with more options (number of apps in the launcher, ..)

i don't think that is constructive to add as much apps, i can imagine, when it's released, everbody is shouting "this is not good" and "why did you use this app and not the other one"...and so one. I like it clear, not too much apps...but that's my opinion.
If i want it with all apps included then i start (to learn ) cooking my own ROM... IMHO i am very satisfied with the work that Tom is doing for us all. And 4.1 is just released. Enjoy it and let Tom make a break. He is hard working all the time!

Plugins for new version
Alarms extension (SpbTime style)
USB PenDrive emulator (WMstorage style)
Phone call recording (Audio Recorder style)
Thanks for B&B! Great job!

i have a great idea
Why dont we support Tom and all off his hard work and all the other wizards here, and stop complaining or asking for more.
like a bunch of kids in a sweet shop.

Improving File access
What I would like to see is the File Dialog Changer, I don't know who has heard of it but it is very good! Usually when you want to save files or open them in any application you get access to you My Documents folder. Only some smart apps like TCPMP and others have the option to access your entire pda.
File Dialog Changer changes the way you access your files in opening and saving them for every application, it's just 50 KB and you can activate / deactivate it in System Settings.
bbracer16valver said:
something so i can remotly use my desktop via PPC
then im complete
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And about your wish I can only say that there is already Remote Desktop for WM6, I think I've downloaded it in the Wizard forum. Or use PocketVNC, that is the pda version for VNC. I am successfully using that with TightVNC on my computer. I just have to be in range of my WLAN and can turn on my computer by sending a wake on lan signal (not with vnc) and then access my computer through pocketvnc or access the files on my computer.

neilhhardy said:
Why dont we support Tom and all off his hard work and all the other wizards here, and stop complaining or asking for more.
like a bunch of kids in a sweet shop.
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Thread is: Ideas for B&B version 4.2, nothing to do with sweet shop

brainstorming said:
Thread is: Ideas for B&B version 4.2, nothing to do with sweet shop
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I think he had a point though. In the whole thread there is not one message of Tom Codon himself. Did you ask what he thinks? Maybe he has a few ideas of his own? After all, it will be his ROM...

Who says it will be B&B v4.2? Why not 4.3 or 5.0? If there will be another version let him take care of the numbers.

whats going on here

Hi all,
please excuse the vagueness of this post.
I have just been given a tp2 as a replacement to my td2
My wife also has the tp2 which she got a year ago
the whole look of the phone (software ) is totally diferent
for instance the program page used to list a few progs (your choice) and then you had to hit all progs to get them up.
i am guessing that its a different rom or different version of sense?
also how do i change/edit/remove some programs from the list?
cheers guys

you'll need a registry editor to get the job done here, you can find that in the Theme's and apps section, i'll be back with a link, but you have to navigate to --
HKLM\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu
and where you see
EnableManilaStartMenu = 1
change the one to a zero and restart the phone, should work.

thanks for that
sorry to be thick but does that just enable me to move the prog icons or delete the progs as well
appreciate the help

thesyntax said:
you'll need a registry editor to get the job done here, you can find that in the Theme's and apps section, i'll be back with a link, but you have to navigate to --
HKLM\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu
and where you see
EnableManilaStartMenu = 1
change the one to a zero and restart the phone, should work.
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You don't need to edit the registry to turn off Manila. This is easily done from the Today settings.

hi got a regedit prog
but i gat as far as
HKLM\Software\HTC\
but cant see enlarge menu
also on the today screen there is no mention of manilla jut htc sense
all i really want to do is lose all the stupid pre loaded progs
thanks

stringman said:
hi got a regedit prog
but i gat as far as
HKLM\Software\HTC\
but cant see enlarge menu
also on the today screen there is no mention of manilla jut htc sense
all i really want to do is lose all the stupid pre loaded progs
thanks
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Different issues, my friend. Sense is the UI (aka Manila versions 2.1 and 2.5) you see when you start the phone. It is on by default, but you can turn it off in the Today setup and use the much less memory intensive standard Window Mobile screen. Go into the Today setup and turn off Sense by removing the check mark in the list and putting a check mark on Windows Default.
As for the bloatware that comes with the phone, anything on the ROM can not be removed except by flashing a new ROM. You can delete shortcuts from your start menu for programs you don't/won't use, but the programs will still be there. Do a search for Crud Scraper, a neat little tool that can 'remove' stuff from specific phone models (it worked great on my Tilt 2). Beyond that, read up as much as you can on modding your phone. This place is a great resource. Unfortunately, easy answers are hard to come by. You have to roll up your sleeves and get a little dirty.