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Alright, rant time.
The Rhodium/Touch Pro I Keyboard suck. Okay, maybe that word is too harsh, but they're a giant waste of buttons. Phone keyboards are small, they don't have room for much. but the Fuze's keyboard, shifting the number buttons into the familiar phone style, overlayed on existing keys, allows for tons of buttons to be freed up - freed up for extremely useful punctuation buttons.
Personally, my passwords always have punctuation marks in them. I can only imagine the time it'd take to open that menu every time to place in a punctuation mark. Not to mention how immensely easy it is for parentheses, dashes, slashes, hyphens - you name it. They're right there, easy as can be to hit.
The Rhodium keyboard is, once again, a total failure for this extremely important oversight. I mean, this is the NUMBER ONE feature keeping me from upgrading from my Fuze (that and a LED on the back are the only two things, though I could get past the LED issue.)
How do we get HTC to figure this out? I mean, I know the Touch Pro has more actual buttons than the Rhodium, but that doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of room to add in these punctuation features.
This and the crazy omission of the LED on the back... two giant disappointments on this phone. And yet, everytime I look at the once-loved wheel and button area on my phone, I just see wasted space for a bigger screen. Why HTC, why?!
The punctuations are put as secondary functions you access with FN, just like how the numbers are with the FUZE. There are plenty of keys without secondary functions they can be applied to. But who knows what the AT&T version's keyboard will be like. The leaked roadmap had a wired QWERTZ layout with a red color and totally different and (in my opinion) horrible button layout. I with they would keep the 12x5 instead of going down to 10x5 like all the other Touch Pro 2s.
I wish they would do that as well, but they are changing the nature of the buttons, so I doubt that will happen until they increase the size of the phone.
Which I hope they do soon. The Rhodium is a great sized phone, and fits in my palm easily. It's extremely comfortable to hold. But I think, eventually, they cannot just expand the phone horizontally.
I never held an HD, but I assume it still feels good in the palm. I just wish ALL phone companies would recognize the value of an attached keyboard, and work at perfecting it, instead of this stupid "Hey look on-screen keyboard" deal.
After the 8125, 8525, 8925 (Fuze), it is very unlikely that the Fortress will have anything but the AT&T keyboard layout. As for the LED, it is so minor that I could really care less. Yeah torchlight is a crowd favorite at parties (LMAO), but I never use it for the intended purpose of the camera.
Besides, have you seen this video(s): http://www.fuzemobility.com/excellent-htc-touch-pro-ii-video-review/
If this doesn't sell the device then nothing will. The Touch Pro II is simply the baddest ass device out right now. When the US Carriers get it and it becomes under half the cost of the HTC Branded Touch Pro (with 2 year contract), how much better does it get?
Well the BIGGEST problem is - I bought my Touch Pro last November, and I have no problem forking over another 350 for the Touch Pro II, but the deal of this two-year contract at AT&T seems to care differently.
(Upon closer look, the number keys do have a lot of alternative features to them. Though I still see wasted space, it's not as bad as before.)
So yeah, how do I get AT&T to... say... let me renew my contact a year earlier and possibly take my Fuze back as refurb?
EDIT: That review really did sell me on the product. I was really thinking this was just a Touch Pro in a different shell, but clearly it is a much more powerful beast. I hope it stays that fast and speedy throughout its life, I know I've flashed a ROM on my Touch Pro only to wake up to a buggy, laggy mess. That phone did look awesome.
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I went from a fuze 2 the touch pro 2, and the new keyboard layout does take getting use of, but it is better and really feels good cause if the heightened keys
Does the keyboard have as many punctuation options as the Fuze? Or at least the more used ones?
23 punctuation marks on TP2
22 punctuation marks on the TP1 Fuze
Most of the punctuation on the TP2 is with using the Fn key though.
Even the + - options? What is the extra punctuation mark?
I'm so glad the keyboard has all of these options. Now the only thing I'm worried over is the lack of flash, but that is the ONLY issue I have. The Touch Pro II only needs to come out in the US. I can't wait.
How is it with getting hot like the Fuze does?
I know its kind of biased posting on this thread but I wanted your guys honest advice. I am a US AT&T subscriber and have been saving and waiting for the Fortress (TP2) to make its long awaited release. But recently I have been reading reviews and awing at the specs for the Samsung Omnia II and now it has grabbed my attention due to the awesome AMOLED screen, 800 mhz processor, 1900 mhz 3G at&t band etc. In fact the only two faults i can find with that phone are the lack of a hardware keyboard and built in stylus. I was hoping you guys could (unbiasly) voice your comparison of the two devices so you can help me make a definitive decision.
Thanks
Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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And its for this reason that I am having difficulty choosing. I would most likely use the phone for web surfing, hulu, email etc. (multimedia) but I would also use a stylus frequently for taking quick handwritten notes. So essentially I would be happy with the omnia II if it had a built in stylus (since it can do pretty much anything the TP2 can do except screen tilt).
Have you heard of the Omnia Pro? It doesn't address your stylus concerns, but it does have a keyboard.
Have you considered the Touch HD or Toshiba tg01 (snapdragon but same OmniaII stylus concern)? The 4"+ screen might be nicer for taking handwritten notes. I believe the Touch HD also has a successor on the way, though I can't keep track of all the names out there.
Personally I would never consider one of those keyboardless devices, but different strokes... If multimedia is a big concern of yours, you might wait to see how the TG01 and current devices fare with real flash once it is finalized for winmo (hopefully) this fall. It's hard to know if current processors like TP2/Omnia's will really be able handle Hulu in a pleasing way because Adobe's promised mobile flash solution isn't here yet to test it out.
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I'm not sure about the omnia pro, but the omnia II will likely only see a release on Verizon in the fall. The current unlocked model has the 1900 mhz At&t 3g band though.
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure verizon still has exclusive rights to the omnia family. I say AT&T should propose a trade: give up exclusivity for the iPhone in exchange for exclusivity of the omnia family
screw it, I will probably grab the ATT Fuze (touch pro). It is $99 right now, don't want to spend 200+ on touch pro2
I like the small size of the wing
poppinpengawen said:
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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Yes, agree. The stylus hanging outside the phone is a stupid design and that puts me off since the first version of Omnia when it is launch some time back. Guess the N97 also follows the similar stupid design.
poppinpengawen said:
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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All AMOLED screens are basically useless in sunlight, not really samsung's fault. I have read this everywhere.
yes amoled screen is useless under direct sunlight....but it consumes less battery
omnia 2 should be compared to diamond 2, not touch pro 2 and i vote for omnia 2 compared to diamond 2..... especially if i have to compare the multimedia part.
tp2 should be compared to omnia pro to be fair.....
Wooh, In my opinion:
I do like the big built-in memory of OmniaII and hate the non-practical small built-in memory of Touch Pro2.
However, I do hate the shortcoming of OmniaII without built-in stylus. I do need the stylus for my Chinese handwriting, also for some traditional software which is not designed for finger friendly.
it's easy for me to buy the Touch pro2 at that time the OmniaII did not come up to market yet.
I'm waiting on both of them, but my leanings are to the Omnia II. The processor and ram put it far ahead IMO. I hardly use a stylus now so I won't miss it, and in regards to visibility outdoors I don't foresee that as being a problem either. The main concern I have is the touch screen keyboard, resistive vs. capacitive in that regard are worlds different. I love the hard keyboard on my titan but for everything else the Omnia II sports I would be willing to give that up...assuming the onscreen keyboard is efficient.
Omnia 2 vs TP2
Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. Better screen, better cpu, better internal memory, better camera with video, and better BATTERY! To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really cant live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?) then maybe the TP2 is for you. But since i run a business and use phones like these frequently, having a pen stylus on hand or just using the end of my pen for instant input is more handy than a built in keyboard. Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
And i was planning on getting the TP2 when it comes out in tmobile but given the raw data and specs, youd be crazy NOT to get the OMNIA 2. Almost like picking a Nissan than a BENZ. If it comes out in Tmobile i wouldnt think twice about trading in my TP2 for an OMNIA 2.
Samsung Omnia is a better business and multimedia phone. It looks to be an amazing device!
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Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch VWGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight!Both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really can live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?). Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
Samsung Omnia is a better phone.
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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Biased? Whats biased is having this discussion on a Rhodium discussion board- thats whats biased. Im a huge supported of HTC devices but its clear as day to look at the Omnia 2 and Touch pro 2 and declare which one is better...OMNIA 2 in every which way and trust me when i tell you AMOLED screens are amazing in sunlight. Amazing. I can see some things with my kaiser or G1 when the brightnes is the highest but with a AMOLED, you see everything and your brightness doesnt need to be high at all. And i tell you this from EXPERIENCE, not some silly video review. Oh, and the keyboard is amazing for TP2 but you cant judge a phone just based on keyboard. But because the Omnia 2 has a 3.7 inch screen, the onboard keyboard is LARGE and will be better for guys with larger fingers, like me(which is why i always look for a phone with a large keyboard like my old phone- the G1 and Kaiser). lol- and the reason why the TP2 doesnt win in each event is because it doesnt match up with the Omnia 2. I forgot to add the OMNIA 2 has dedicated graphics processing for better video taking and gaming and watching video(beats TP2 in contrast- looks much better viewing videos from a larger, better, brighter screen) and with the faster processor you get faster multitasking! COME' ON!
OMNIA 2 wins all the way. HANDS DOWN!
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1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
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I agree on this
shazzy84 said:
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
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I'll believe that when I'll see one myself... Everybody say that AMOLEDs screen are not good in direct sunlight tough.
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3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
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Equal !?!? The fact that we don't have to buy a pen stylus on the TP2 (because it's included) is maybe a minor point, but it's a + for TP2 ... don't you think ?
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4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
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Don't you think the Omnia 16gbs will cost more than 2gbs model ? Internal storage is not as important as you say... imo at least. I've paid 60$ for a 16 gb microsd 4 month ago (10 mbs transfert rate). But, considering that Omnia as more internal memoy, Samsung wins ...
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5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
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I agree with on this. Samsung definitely wins this one. But I own a panasonic ZS3 digital camera (its a small point&shoot camera) that can record 720p vids with extremely good quality, so I don't really care about the camera on the cellphone
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5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
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Honestly, touchflo 3d is a hell of a good interface...
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6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
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TELUS TP2 has a 3.5mm headphone jack (every CDMA TP2 might have one). So if you own a CDMA version, it's equal, and if you own a GSM version, samsung wins. (Mine is a TELUS' )
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7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
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I agree x100 .. The keyboard, the dual speaker and the dual mic are must-have for every business users in mind.
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8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
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I don't know the battery life on Omnia so I can't comment this one. Anyway, the battery can be replaced by more powerful one. Both are not damn Iphones
So, if a little bit more colorful screen, faster cpu, more internal storage and better camera (which has only 1.8 mpx more btw) is every for you, go for Omnia. Otherwise, if a perfect keyboard with a tilting screen, dual speakers, dual mics with noise cancelling, CDMA & GSM on the same phone (woldwide edition which I own), then go for the TP2.
Both are extremely good cellphones ! This is only my opinion, nothing more
Did i mention, internal storage means faster loading of apps, files, music, videos, etc- way faster than any micro sd slot which is why flash memory devices are prefered over devices not built with internal storage. Combine the internal storage speed and the fast 800mhz cpu you have super fast rendering of pics, music, video, browsing web, opening apps, opening and editing word documents, excel, pdfs, powerpoint, inventory apps, etc(for business and multimedia freaks). And it has a micro sd slot! The camera also have dual flash and the amoled screen has a faster response time. But when i look at a phone the keyboard, dual speakers and mics, and tilting screen is somewhat important(keyboard is very important) but the dual speakers only work in conference calls.
So if you want people in the streets, malls, house, video store, etc to hear what you want to say then they arent as relevant as one may think. Since they both run WM6.1, the question is- do you want a faster, longer lasting, better, larger, brighter screen, with working FM radio(right out of the box), with better mulimedia functions then the OMNIA 2 is for you. If you want a slower(in compariso to the OMNIA 2), less multimediaish, with a keyboard(excellent), lesser screen (in comparison to OMNIA 2), without working FM radio then the Touch Pro 2 is for you.
To put simply, The Omnia 2 is an iphone with multitasking ability, and advance WM user interface for advanced calendar, to-do list, phone capabilities IMO.
I have read that OLED's are better outdoors, but the little I've seen from previews/reviews on the OMNIAII say that the screen has poor sunlight visibility.
Secondly, if you use a stylus, then having an external one is not the same. It means one more thing to carry, possibly lose, and using a normal pen isn't a good idea (they're not made to prevent scratches on touch screens and can leave ink stains which might take a while to remove). And if you choose to have a stylus dangling from your phone like with the Toshiba G01, it kinda ruins the sleek factor.
What's with the "Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!"? Okay, .1 inches larger, it's better, but not a huge difference, and the resolution is the SAME.
And a slight correction: the dual speakers only work in a conference call, sure, but the dual mics can do their noise cancelling magic in conference calls (you can even choose the level of noise cancellation) and on normal calls, meaning that they DO help in malls, streets, house, video store, etc.
The video recording might be better, but it is NOT nearHD, 480p is VGA or D1 (DVD quality).
I agree that the Samsung Omnia II is better in some respects, but one poster said you were biased, and though maybe you're not, it seems so due to the enthusiasm and slight exagerrations in some cases (I said slight).
And one thing that I find shocking is the observation on phonarena that despite the more powerful processor of the OMNIAII, the homescreen lags, a lot, regularly. As shown in the quote on wmpowerusers:
Despite the beefed up processing power the spinning WinMo beach ball still pops up at times and this is most noticeable on the homescreen. Within the menus we rarely saw it, but flicking from homepage to homepage produces a 5-10 second delay while waiting for the widgets to load, which is infuriating. The widgets are a great idea, and some of them (like AccuWeather and Google) are very helpful, but it’s just not quick enough. Furthermore, we often found ourselves pressing options two and three times to activate them and not being able to drag widgets around unless they were pressed just right. This problem was only in the homescreen (here we really missed HTC’s TouchFLO 3D), throughout the rest of the phone it was very responsive and accurat
The OMNIAII does have the advantage in various fields. But not in all, so in the end it will be up to the individual user what he or she prefers.
Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....
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Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.
TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!
The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.
I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.
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i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!
poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.
Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.
after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.
i went off topic a lil
so the idea was if you have itouch or iphone and touch pro 2
post your experience in this topic so its not allover the board
and if you have a iphone theme installer that would be even better id love to hear how much difference does it make having bigger buttons on he screen
I actually cringe a bit every time someone refers to the iPod Touch as the "itouch". It just doesn't sound right...
Anyway, I have both the TP2 and an iPod Touch (2nd gen). The only difference in terms of the touch screen is that one requires pressure and the other doesn't. It's that simple and it's because of the capacitive vs resistive nature of the screens. I think they both work well enough for me.
Honestly, I'd prefer capacitive because then, the screen won't need a flexing membrane and would actually feel hard like glass. And multi-touch would enable full-speed typing on a landscape soft keyboard.
But I've no issues with the resistive screen on the TP2.
Just my 2 cents.
Nothing compares to the iPod Touch and iPhone screens.
They work flawless ........
Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.
Ky772 said:
Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.
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If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.
For the overall package the Rhodium beats the iphone hands down. I have installed SPB Mobile Shell which expells any requirments for skinny fingers. In fact the Rhodium and mobile shell is an awesome combination.
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Well not to beat a dead horse but I have a iPhone 3g a iPod touch 1st gen and what at&t calls a Tilt2.
As far as screens go there are none better than the apple devices. They have that safari and the app store. That's the extint of their lead. Which is tremendous. Safari is great and simple just as the all the Apple devices. But they are simple. Meaning even with jailbreak there are things that you still can't customize. And so e things you pay a large price for doing so such as speed and stability.
The Tilt2 Now here's where they have it. The screen itself is beautiful. Works the best ive ever seen on a non apple device. I set them side by side and play the same movie hands down tilt2 screen wins.
I currently switch between my tilt2 and iPhone 3g trying to find the sweet spot on either device.
Welp. I'm spent.
Peace P.
69Pwned said:
If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........
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Jailbreaking the phone ...yes you can customize everything but it'a B**tch to upgrade the Rom for the purpose of upgrading.
My brother has the phone and everything about the screen is right. ...and all those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.
those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.
Exactly.
That's what won't allow me to very far from HTC. I have been a at&t fan since the first tilt. This community has been fantastic. Not that the iPhone community has been bad but it's like your fighting with apple every step of the way to make your phone your phone. This is where HTC AND XDA have it all covered. Anytime I meet someone and they say wow you know a lot about this phone I say it's easy just go to XDA. that's where the funny looks begin.
Lol.
xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
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I couldn't agree more, especially with the last statement. I also have an ipod touch (2G) and a rhodium (obviously) and i mostly use the ipod for games, music etc.
But when it comes down to more serious stuff, well I just can't do withouth the TP2
I do like the ipod touch - iphone screen, games and all, but I simply couldn't have it as a primary phone.
Personally I don't have any issue with either type of screen, I find they function very well, and just stated by a friend above, the only difference i spot is that one needs some pressure and the other doesn't.
Oh and I couldn't do without rhodium's hardware keyboard, in my opinion it's the best feature of this phone, and i don't intend to change it before an Leo with a keyboard (touch pro3?) comes around...
That's all from me
By the way (a bit offtopic), xredjokerx how do you broadcast wifi from the Rhodium? I mean what app are you using for that? It'll prolly come up handy for me
The iphone has a better screen, more apps, faster processor and graphics but the pro2 has the backing of Xda-Developers.
I prefer pro2.
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As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. <--which is why I prefer resistive screens! The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.
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I completely agree with this! Let's see an iPhone user wear thick gloves while using their phone!
All I can say is:
Capacitive screen: sensitivity
Resistive screen: practicality
What I really want to see is multitouch support on a resisitive screen. Then I would be really happy!
fuzzysig said:
after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.
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i want to give one advantage of the resistive screen and is the ability to draw with the stylus on the screen and write on it! (on the pro2 writing a message on the transcriber mode is a breeze, just like on a notebook) the capacitive ones dont have this ability yet! thats why the pro2 have the resistive one, remember is a business pda!!
the problem with the pro screen keyboard is not the screen is the software! i haved the same isues and solved them with the swipe keyboard! (remenber that the pro2 have a real keyboard and the i phone not!!)
try to instal the swipe keyboard! i installed it on my pro 2 and is the best screen keyboard i ever used! better than the i phone one!! you dont have to worry about pressing letters just swipe your finger over them and the word appears!(dont worry about going over the incorrect letter! it know what you mean) search for it here!!
I have owned a g1. I have a Ipod touch and zune hd<----capacitive screens I also have a wing and tp2..
i prefer the resistive screens of my wing & tp2 simply because i can use the screen multiple ways in stead of 1 way..which is your finger tip..it doesnt suprise me that apple would use capacitive so using the thing can be done 1 way..which is finger tip..apple has to controll everything..
i like using my finger nails to text on the screen and also when i where gloves at my job..
to me there is no real difference because i dont touch my screen that lightly that i wouldnt get a response..when i pick up my phone & use it, im not thinking about how soft or hard to press the screen..i just do it as 2nd nature it my screen responds evertime...multitouch isnt really a big deal for me eighter... its def not a deal breaker..i love my tp2 in everyway..
I used to have an iPod Touch and couldn't stand trying to type on the thing. I type much easier on the TP2's touchscreen. The other functions of the touch screen on the iPod, such as browsing and navigating through menus were better though. If someone could just make something to match the Safari browser...
xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
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same here! EXACTLY... =]
Why do a lot of people bash a phone for having a Physical Keyboard? They are a lot better then the Software Keyboards. You can feel if you hit 1 or more keys when typing with a Physical Keyboard. When you type with a Software Keyboard, you might have Haptic Feedback, but you can't tell by that, if you hit more than 1 space. Also, with the Physical Keyboard you can see the entire screen while typing, unlike the Software Keyboard which only let's you see just a small part of the screen while typing. I feel that ALL Smartphones should come with the Physical Keyboards.
I have a physical keyboard on my quantum and I love it... Though I'm not sure what this topic has to do with wp7
It's about the only thing I miss from my old N97
I'm trying to hold out till there is a new WP7 with a phyiscal keyboard
Sadly, I don't see any WP7 phones with a physical keyboard in the pipeline. I was hoping for a replacement to the HTC Pro 7, but it doesn't seem so. :-(
Maybe Nokia will develop something.
Sent from my AT&T Samsung Focus using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
that's why i bought dell venue pro..excellent physical keyboard:X
simply because people are stupid. A hardware keyboard is much better tan the virtual one, and its stupid to say that it makes the phone thicker!!!! the key would be a keyboard phone with a W8-like OS, and with a mini touchpad like the Old WM6.1 phones. But, its only a dream, now we are in the dumbphone era, so this is only sci-fi. My Optimus 7 is much thicker than many keyboard-phones...
agreed, will be holding onto my quantum until a suitable next gen qwerty keyboard WP gets released.
7pro for me
keyboardless phones are a no-go for me
can nokia please cough out an E7 with wp7?
gd761 said:
Why do a lot of people bash a phone for having a Physical Keyboard? ... I feel that ALL Smartphones should come with the Physical Keyboards.
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Phones with keyboards are generally thicker and heavier than phones without keyboards. Some people would not want a keyboard if:
- they can type just as fast using the on-screen keyboard or;
- they don't type much on their phone.
In this case, they would choose the thinner, lighter and probably cheaper phone.
Personally, I prefer a physical keyboard too. However, it's good to have a choice of devices as people have different needs.
Just so long as Sprint keeps up the WP7 "Touch Pro 2" Style phones, I will keep getting them
Though I would switch to a fancy HTC Titan if Sprint got that also.
If only Sprint got the HD2 way back when... Sigh..
yes
They need to make a WP with a physical keyboard. Dual core processor. 4 in plus screen. Front and back facing camera. At least an 8 mp camera and expandable memory. That would be a great phone. But for now I love my Arrive. And I don't ever buy a phone with out a physical keyboard.
Arrive vs Quantum
supercain said:
They need to make a WP with a physical keyboard. Dual core processor. 4 in plus screen. Front and back facing camera. At least an 8 mp camera and expandable memory. That would be a great phone. But for now I love my Arrive. And I don't ever buy a phone with out a physical keyboard.
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believe me, you would love your Arrive even more if you tried a Quantum. OMG, it is a nightmare if you're used to the Arrive.
I think there are those of us who have used keyboards since the beginning of time and it is hard to let go, then there are those who have only recently jumped in to the smart phone arena straight in to a virtual one and they got good at it and know no difference. I have seen smart phone newbies with virtual keyboards typing just as fast or faster than I do on the physical.
When I just switched to AT&T (signal reasons) I was forced to get the Quantum and the difference is amazing. Not flaming the Quantum for those who have it and know no better. I wish that were the case, believe me. Those of us who started out on the UTC 6600, then 6700, then Mogul, then TP1 and TP2 were very satisfied with the Arrive. That is a very nice landscape slider. My wife and I just ordered replacement Focus S's to send our Quantums back (our text maniac daughter is hanging in there in fear of losing her text messages). Amazon says that we can have 30 days after we get these Focus S's and we are hoping that a landscape slider breaks for Christmas (there's rumor of a landscape slider from Nokia). Of course the expensive solution to the whole thing is an unlocked Pro 7. That's the dream. I would swap all of my former Sprint smart phones for 3 Pro 7's
I like my quantum..
What was your issue with it?
I hate how people say "at least an 8 megapixel camera"...
They can't seem to comprehend megapixel means size not quality..
The quality is dependent on the sensor.
There are 5 megapixel cameras that will destroy an 8 mpx one when it comes to quality....
livejazz said:
believe me, you would love your Arrive even more if you tried a Quantum. OMG, it is a nightmare if you're used to the Arrive.
I think there are those of us who have used keyboards since the beginning of time and it is hard to let go, then there are those who have only recently jumped in to the smart phone arena straight in to a virtual one and they got good at it and know no difference. I have seen smart phone newbies with virtual keyboards typing just as fast or faster than I do on the physical.
When I just switched to AT&T (signal reasons) I was forced to get the Quantum and the difference is amazing. Not flaming the Quantum for those who have it and know no better. I wish that were the case, believe me. Those of us who started out on the UTC 6600, then 6700, then Mogul, then TP1 and TP2 were very satisfied with the Arrive. That is a very nice landscape slider. My wife and I just ordered replacement Focus S's to send our Quantums back (our text maniac daughter is hanging in there in fear of losing her text messages). Amazon says that we can have 30 days after we get these Focus S's and we are hoping that a landscape slider breaks for Christmas (there's rumor of a landscape slider from Nokia). Of course the expensive solution to the whole thing is an unlocked Pro 7. That's the dream. I would swap all of my former Sprint smart phones for 3 Pro 7's
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i had a SE P900, then i swapped to an atom for awhile, before i got hooked on the tp1. on my 7 pro now. but oh boy would i kill to get a nokia E7 flavoured WP7
I was a sucker for physical keyboards too before and bout hp ipaq 614 just for that reason..
But after trying wp7 virtual keys.. i say its a good riddance..
WM6.5 screens had diff touch technology.. where we had to press screen hard.. thats why we had keyboards..
But wp7 has some new tech.. i dont know what they call it.. but we dont have to put pressure on screen with a stick.. it senses your finger using some electro-magnetic thing.. its way better than using physical keyboard, but still needs some improvement.
Purple11 said:
I was a sucker for physical keyboards too before and bout hp ipaq 614 just for that reason..
But after trying wp7 virtual keys.. i say its a good riddance..
WM6.5 screens had diff touch technology.. where we had to press screen hard.. thats why we had keyboards..
But wp7 has some new tech.. i dont know what they call it.. but we dont have to put pressure on screen with a stick.. it senses your finger using some electro-magnetic thing.. its way better than using physical keyboard, but still needs some improvement.
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lol...
Resistive vs. Capacitive
this is the most realistic rumor I've seen around....
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-working-qwerty-windows-phone-deeper-intergration
We now know its not the first out, but it definately looks as if it could be a prospect.
SoByX said:
that's why i bought dell venue pro..excellent physical keyboard:X
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Agree, one of the best ever.
magicsquid said:
Phones with keyboards are generally thicker and heavier than phones without keyboards. Some people would not want a keyboard if:
- they can type just as fast using the on-screen keyboard or;
- they don't type much on their phone.
In this case, they would choose the thinner, lighter and probably cheaper phone.
Personally, I prefer a physical keyboard too. However, it's good to have a choice of devices as people have different needs.
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I entirely agree with you, but what annoys me is there is no choice (in any OS).
You can have high spec, but only if you have a stupidly oversized screen.
You can have a small screen, but only if you don't want a decent spec.
You can have a decent keyboard, but only once every 2 years, which fair enough adds to the size (I don't care frankly), but what annoys me is you pay more than the highest spec phones but DON'T get high spec.
Why can't I have high spec in a small phone, with a keyboard. I don't mind if it's thicker. Any screen bigger than the one on the 7 Pro is just too big to be practical.