To start. Anyone That has a bricked phone or a broken market place.Pu your sd card in your pc redownload RC33 rename it update.zip, put it back in your phone and pull the battery if you are stuck on the start screen. Then follow the steps for normal update.
To the skinners. Please learn to fully check your work. Every Single RC33 skin on here is breaking peoples phones. I have tried EVERY single one and not a single one is working properly. You are putting people threw hell screwing up their phones. Its not that we do not appreciate your time and effort but ours is jsut as important and to have to keep reloading our phones because your taking shortcuts is not fair to anyone.
If you do nto have a phone to fuilly test your theme ont hen please request a tester before you post it.
Wtf. All of them test it on their own phones.
Phones brick on a case by case basis.
You seriously need to show some respect to the theme devs.
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Lol. You're even more retarded than I thought. First ever post, and you do it by bashing theme devs. Lol.
first off, there are usually disclaimers for all themes here on this board. You install a theme at your very own risk and we (theme makers) do this for the community. You can def. choose to install or not. If you noticed a lot of the errors are coming from users not following the right instructions to apply the themes. Most work here on this board are not final hence the title beta. In return we are getting feedback as to what we can improve or fix. If your on this forum, than you should know the risks involved in doing such things to your phone and have taken the necessary precautions to eliminate some of the headaches in the process. I DO TAKE OFFENSE to this as most of the theme makers on here put in endless hours to share something.
edit: also please do not pull out your battery. That's just silly. Please ask someone on this board if your unsure. there are ways to do things correctly. grrrr
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Wtf. All of them test it on their own phones.
Phones brick on a case by case basis.
You seriously need to show some respect to the theme devs.
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I agree, I check all my work on MY OWN phone first and never screwed anything up... they might be using wrong versions other than what i posted or doing something wrong.. but i put my phone through the crapper before anyone elses dude...
Edit: I enjoy doing themes and lately I havent had many updates due to my job and family... but i love making themes and I USE my themes daily..
I hope that most of you appreciate what us theme devs are doing and I find this post troubling to me.
to the ones who appreciate the themes.... YOU GUYS are who I do it for!
That was uncalled for OP.
When someone offers to give you something for free out of kindness, take it or leave it.
Besides, I have never had a problem with any of these themes..
Why? Cuz I don't leave it all up to a theme dev, its also my responsibility to check that everything is in order.
Most apps / themes / ROM's are all still in development - you download and install as a tester and report any bugs / problems you find to the developer. If you can't handle that then don't install anything that isn't a final version; however, I challenge you to find any app or theme - Pay or Free, Final version or not that doesn't still have some bugs?
I for one am extremely thankful for everything / apps, themes, etc.. that these people have put so much hard work and long hours into developing. Our devices are better because of their hard work. Thanks to everyone
Edit: I just noticed - Holly Crap - You have been a member since 2006 and you choose your first post for this?
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Most apps / themes / ROM's are all still in development - you download and install as a tester and report any bugs / problems you find to the developer. If you can't handle that then don't install anything that isn't a final version; however, I challenge you to find any app or theme - Pay or Free, Final version or not that doesn't still have some bugs?
I for one am extremely thankful for everything / apps, themes, etc.. that these people have put so much hard work and long hours into developing. Our devices are better because of their hard work. Thanks to everyone
Edit: I just noticed - Holly Crap - You have been a member since 2006 and you choose your first post for this?
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LEECHER ALERT... lol
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LEECHER ALERT... lol
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exactly what I was thinking, I was going to edit my post again asking the OP what he has contributed to this forum having been a member since 2006 and only posting for the first time today : answer: Nothing
I always go by beggars can't be choosers.
It'd be another story if you paid for the themes, but I have a feeling OP does not throw them any bones.
ungratefull bastard... smh...
i have tried a number of themes and i am not by any means a dev
i know my **** and i know to read the fine print before trying a new theme
the OP should take his sorry ass back to stock rc30
KRON2
mannyb
hondamx525
faithnolonger
manup456
dthadamaja
RandumAccess
Geo411m
necromancerr
damnitpud
tekrodriguez
jdwme
MOONSSPOON
toxtrepla
AND jf
YOU ALL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Learn how to apply the themes properly, there are plenty of RC33 compatible themes.
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To start. Anyone That has a bricked phone or a broken market place.Pu your sd card in your pc redownload RC33 rename it update.zip, put it back in your phone and pull the battery if you are stuck on the start screen. Then follow the steps for normal update.
To the skinners. Please learn to fully check your work. Every Single RC33 skin on here is breaking peoples phones. I have tried EVERY single one and not a single one is working properly. You are putting people threw hell screwing up their phones. Its not that we do not appreciate your time and effort but ours is jsut as important and to have to keep reloading our phones because your taking shortcuts is not fair to anyone.
If you do nto have a phone to fuilly test your theme ont hen please request a tester before you post it.
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LMAO you have flashed your phone the amount of times as there are themes? what is that 10 or so? I will put money down that i have flashed at least 100 times with my FadetoBlue theme alone. I am sure every other themer has also. I have installed ADP1.1 on my phone because testers were having problems with the port of my theme. You think we don't check our work? how do you think we see how it looks after we create it? We have no choice but to flash our phones and you want to give us **** because your not smart enough to have a second SDcard with JF's RC33 install? I can see were they say ignorance is bliss, but in this situation it just makes you look like an arse! Try reading a bit before using something you don't understand! Wait a min you don't have to understand it, there is about 1000 people here that will hold your hand threw the whole process!
It's flamers like you that ruin a community, instead of educating yourself, you feel you need to tell the devs what they should be doing. If you don't like the job we are doing put in the 4 hours or so to learn how to theme!
/RANT
And the dip**** of the month award goes to............the original poster come on down LOL
alot of the bad flashes happen from bad downloads...
i have had to download some files twice to get the full file... also downloading straight to the phone without the pc can lead to corrupted downloads and partial downloads.
if you have a backup sdcard, just put the jf rc1.41 on there and name it update.zip incase of emergency...
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To start. Anyone That has a bricked phone or a broken market place.Pu your sd card in your pc redownload RC33 rename it update.zip, put it back in your phone and pull the battery if you are stuck on the start screen. Then follow the steps for normal update.
To the skinners. Please learn to fully check your work. Every Single RC33 skin on here is breaking peoples phones. I have tried EVERY single one and not a single one is working properly. You are putting people threw hell screwing up their phones. Its not that we do not appreciate your time and effort but ours is jsut as important and to have to keep reloading our phones because your taking shortcuts is not fair to anyone.
If you do nto have a phone to fuilly test your theme ont hen please request a tester before you post it.
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I agree, OP, your post is completely uncalled for. If you hate the risks involved in trying out new themes then dont try any. Themeing is not an exact science and is still relatively new. I can also support the argument that many themes have disclaimers on them warning you about the possibilities that things can happen.
SO, with all that said it is your own fault for bricking your phone.
It is your own fault for all the trouble you've put yourself through.
It is you that downloads the update.
It is you that puts it on your phone.
It is you that presses alt - s. We dont make you do anything, therefore, it is your fault.
You, and only you, are responsible for what happens to your phone and what you choose to do to your phone.
Stericson
Btw, wheres my name in the post above huh?
YEP!
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alot of the bad flashes happen from bad downloads...
i have had to download some files twice to get the full file... also downloading straight to the phone without the pc can lead to corrupted downloads and partial downloads.
if you have a backup sdcard, just put the jf rc1.41 on there and name it update.zip incase of emergency...
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That's what I do... I have a reader and usually keep backup flashes on a 25MB card I had from back when I first got a phone with an SD Card.
This dude is a Joke for real... The whole movement of Developers is to break-fix-improve on existing,new, and future technological advances.
So what you bricked your phone a few times compared to the rest of us here.
Suck it up yuh dillweed!!!
Reading is fundamental, for some of us I guess. Cause for almost everything that could possibly break the phone (apart from putting it on the rinse cycle at the laundromat) there is a fix out there.
Sooooooooooo fortunate I wasn't a moderator, I'd ban yuh stupid @$* just for making your first post a bad one!
WTF???? This whole OS is beta so noone can complain about anything!
Good job ALL of the developers, whether you're doing themes or coming up with apps or whatever you're doing, it makes our life whole lot easier.
OP, you're not worthy of Dream, go get an iphone
2 things to say...
1. if your new n dont understand n wanna get root n apply themes then KNOW WHAT THE heck ya gettin into... learn how to backup ur phone... regular people such as myself wit a lil bit of patience can figure it out...
now im new to making themes, butt ive editted plenty n kno the ins n outs
2. how the hell can u take a screenshot without testing the themes dumb ... ....... if u cant read there is an informal disclaimer cleaerly stating, try at u own risk not B.Y.O.B. - Bring your own BS
keep up the good work, look forward to editting more themes, n working with more of u in this great community... forget about this thread.
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To start. Anyone That has a bricked phone or a broken market place.Pu your sd card in your pc redownload RC33 rename it update.zip, put it back in your phone and pull the battery if you are stuck on the start screen. Then follow the steps for normal update.
To the skinners. Please learn to fully check your work. Every Single RC33 skin on here is breaking peoples phones. I have tried EVERY single one and not a single one is working properly. You are putting people threw hell screwing up their phones. Its not that we do not appreciate your time and effort but ours is jsut as important and to have to keep reloading our phones because your taking shortcuts is not fair to anyone.
If you do nto have a phone to fuilly test your theme ont hen please request a tester before you post it.
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sorry dude but you are an IDIOT. I've put 2 different R33 themes on my phone and NOT one has bricked my phone. Do better research before you flame and create a thread that has no facts to support it.
just sayin thanx!
this is probably my 2nd or 3rd post only do to the fact that unlike most ppl I USE THE SEARCH OPTION when im having ans issue lol. ever since i got my first smartphone (t-mobile dash) and i found this site i've been sooo much happier. the devs and even other ppl like myself have made me the envy of many ppl due to their hard work and i definitly appreciate it. this post was sort of off topic but its dummies like op that piss me off. most themes/updates have DISCLAIMERS and most even have DETAILED walkthroughs dont blame anyone but yourself if u dont pay attention or ask question and use SEARCH FORUMS option. sidebar (im so hooked on this site that on a trip to south carolina where i was roaming on at&t's service on one bar that i actually drove 6 miles to sit on the side of the highway for 1hr until i got a good signal JUST so i could download the newest themes and jf's update) lol who new no one in the south wouldnt have wifi that i could steal? bottomline i love this site and all ur hard work! a dedicated G1 owner! ps. in the spirit of the market FIRST! lmmfao
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I really don't get what the fuss is about this theme, ok so credit should be given where it's due I'm not arguing, but surely all that's required in this instance is "here's my theme - parts are borrowed from here and here, what do you think?" is sufficient.
It's ridiculous that we even feel the need to debate this, someone went out and built a theme they liked, and decided they would share it with the rest of us, something they did not need to do! Instead of saying thanks, we've shut down a thread because it wasn't precise enough about where it's components were found!
Regarding this theme, i love it, i think it almost perfectly combines the best parts of other themes and apart from the splash screen which i rarely see, makes my phone look great. I can't ask the developer to improve the theme now though thanks to a debate about a couple of icons! fantastic!
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I really don't get what the fuss is about this theme, ok so credit should be given where it's due I'm not arguing, but surely all that's required in this instance is "here's my theme - parts are borrowed from here and here, what do you think?" is sufficient.
It's ridiculous that we even feel the need to debate this, someone went out and built a theme they liked, and decided they would share it with the rest of us, something they did not need to do! Instead of saying thanks, we've shut down a thread because it wasn't precise enough about where it's components were found!
Regarding this theme, i love it, i think it almost perfectly combines the best parts of other themes and apart from the splash screen which i rarely see, makes my phone look great. I can't ask the developer to improve the theme now though thanks to a debate about a couple of icons! fantastic!
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thanks faith..
it is clearly ridiculous..but i cant do anything..
HYBRID has in no way stop at all...this is just a set back..
i want my thread back....my original thread..
i am not going to make a new 1 cuz there no neeed..
to everybody that has MY HYBID THEME...or not
please post ur comments and give ur opinion about this whole situation...
and tell the admin/moderators u want my thread re opened....
please help me..
thats all i ask in return...
VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!! hahah lol
i agree...the thread should be re opened because there is nothing wrong with his theme or how it was created. if you close his then you should close alot others because i know of 3 themes that share the EXACT same clock as the hybrid theme and a few icons and i dont see any reference to whee there clock and icons came from on there thread. everyone is not gonna have a completely different theme, clock, and set of icons. so IMO as long as he acknowledges that he made his theme from a combination of others i feel it is sufficient because whose to sat who FIRST created the black transparant clock that 3THEMES share and icons. as long as he is not saying he created the whole theme from scratch and taking all the cedit then whats the problem? nobody is payin for these themes so its not like he's getting anything from it besides happy hackers who love his work!
If you are referring to the black carbon fiber clock, the actual clock was posted by brandenk in a thread where he gave permission for anyone to use it.
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If you are referring to the black carbon fiber clock, the actual clock was posted by brandenk in a thread where he gave permission for anyone to use it.
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Ok, but there are still a number of themes that share some the same icons and dont give credit to one another.
I do feel that shutting the thread down is the wrong decision...if that is the case, then I want the "Post ONLY your G1 Wallpapers here!" threat shut down...I know for a fact, that there is a Guinness wallpaper on there that I created and uploaded to g1wallz.com that is posted under someone elses name and no credit is given to me. I never really b!tched about it because I dont really care (I posted it on the www afterall, if it was that important to me I would have just kept it to myself)...but if we are going to get picky about giving recognition and asking for permissions then...
Some examples may be helpful, some of us have gotten icons from each other and some from deviantartbut I know the staff doesn't have time to go through every theme that shares something so examples may be needed
Ok here's a simple solution to give credit to all that's do credit.
Disclaimer=
*** I appreciate the hard work and have used icons/images from various sources.. for your hard work I appreciate it and you work lives on in insert theme name here. I wish I can recall all the names of the original makers but I can't as I have scoured the internet and other sources and can't recollect them. If 1 of your images is posted here that should not have been redistributed or used please feel free to contact Theme maker name here and we will work on resolving the issue.
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The above should quickly cover your own @ss and give credit and thus stopping the fighting.
Now how many people have used google to search an item to recreate? not all are graphic masters and not all while trying to develop something remembers their sources.
I personally thank all theme makers and others for their hard work!!!
ANYONE ANYWHERE MAY USE ANY AND ALL COMPONENTS OF MY THEMES WITH OR WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE TO ME OR THOSE THAT HELP ME
With that said, I am here to help and learn. We are what make this phone awesome, not Google, not HTC, not T-mobile, and not any 1 person. I am truly honored anytime you guys use my components in your own themes, if I didnt I would not bother to make them.
If you guys cant understand that imitation is the highest form of flattery all I can say is go watch Star Trek, I learned this lesson from Data on TNG years ago and it has served me very well. Granted, i love it when you guys mention my name if you use my clock but Im not going to be offended if you dont. Especially since the clock wasnt "my idea". Im sure there are a million people out there that could argue they created something very similar way before me, and to them all I have to say is thank you for the great idea and I hope you appreciate my hard work to take your "idea" to the next level.
My ideal scenario would be everyone taking bits and pieces from themes they like and compiling them into a theme that is perfect for them.
Do you know how many of them probably got their icons from the same source? I know some of the themes were yes, obviously borrowed icons, but others were just coincidence. The whole point of open source is that anyone, can take anything anyone makes, change some ****, and create something totally new. Yes, they SHOULD provide credit, but its not key.
Simply put, if you don't want people to use your ideas, do NOT post them. Simple as that. Any moderator that finds the need to close a thread for that purpose is just, well lack for a better word, dumb.
Now to the theme makers directly, I thank them for all the work they put into the themes, it is a lot of work. However they aren't doing it for us, its for them. I wouldn't create a theme based on what everyone else will want, I'd make one that I like, I enjoy, then later post it here to allow others to use it.
So everyone, stop *****ing, stop complaining, and just enjoy what everyone has to offer.
I used that very same clock in my theme and I credited brandenk for it, what tootall4la is doing is wrong. Some people put allot of work into creating these themes, the least he could do is say thanks to brandenk for his clock and what not. Also, I think he got a complete lack of respect for others. Here's a quote when someone suggested he give credit to other people for using their work to create his "Frankenstein"
its a nice suggestion but will not be taken because..
i already gave credit to those ppl!!!!!!!!!!..
i am claming my theme.. im not claming anything else...
like i explained to jdwme..
and thats where my frankenstein title comes from because i use all these parts to make a new theme(a.k.a frankenstein) a new breed the HYBRID...
just call me creative.. no one else though of doing this.. to not dissapoint other theme makers..why should i ask for permission???haha..well im just doing what i think would be a great looking theme and so far ppl do think it is...so suck it lol.
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I know he never credited me for the resources he used,
Hybrid Version 1.5 RELEASE(JFv 1.41 Compatible)
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which is just the brushed metal I created for my Macdroid theme and there's plenty of other stuff he used and never gave a thanks for it. I'm not trying to be a jerk but it is common courtesy to give a thanks.
Open the thread most of the themes contain parts of other themes,I know cause I can see my work all over but that does not matter. Hey guys I also say anything I have done as far as themes can be used with out giving me credit or permission if you want to give credit that would be better but its cool with me either way.
Its not like google or T-Mobile even gave permission to do this lol....I love forum.
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Its not like google or T-Mobile even gave permission to do this lol....I love forum.
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Oh Noes! You mean Mr. T. Mobile himself didnt give you permission to do this?!?! Thats it, im burning my phone and calling the cops on all of your guys!
Well they gave me permission but hey that's me LMAO!!!! Hey an stop calling me I'm off duty.
Theme Police are watcing I need better sun glasses.
Well....this is indeed a touchy subject. I Believe the thread should be reopened as well but.....I agree with Geo411. There does seem to be a lack of respect for other authors. There are authors on here such as Manup and Brandek that do not care, but that does not go for everyone. I for one dont really care for my own theme, but I love and respect all who have contributed to the community and wish that we do give credit to others that worked so hard and actually wanted to be recognized for it. It really does not take that much time to type out a few lines of recognition....Reopen the thread once recognition has been given.
its a nice suggestion but will not be taken because..
i already gave credit to those ppl!!!!!!!!!!..
i am claming my theme.. im not claming anything else...
like i explained to jdwme..
and thats where my frankenstein title comes from because i use all these parts to make a new theme(a.k.a frankenstein) a new breed the HYBRID...
just call me creative.. no one else though of doing this.. to not dissapoint other theme makers..why should i ask for permission???haha..well im just doing what i think would be a great looking theme and so far ppl do think it is...so suck it lol.
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Unless his attitude changes tootall4la will keep hitting a brick wall.
G1 is a fine line with "crediting" sources, since it is open-source.
Although, common courtesy of a thank you to all, is humane, a nice juster.
As for tootall4la's thread to reopen, noticing most theme makers dont mind whether they get credit or not, tootall4la should figure out who he should thank and PM him or them and work it out.
My opinion on this matter doesnt mean a thing. Since im not the mod who closed the thread, i wont be the mod to reopen it without assurance from all, that it's ok to reopen it.
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Ok here's a simple solution to give credit to all that's do credit.
Disclaimer=
*** I appreciate the hard work and have used icons/images from various sources.. for your hard work I appreciate it and you work lives on in insert theme name here. I wish I can recall all the names of the original makers but I can't as I have scoured the internet and other sources and can't recollect them. If 1 of your images is posted here that should not have been redistributed or used please feel free to contact Theme maker name here and we will work on resolving the issue.
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Very Well Put... This Would Really Help Solve All This Madness. and i noticed they shut down the thread but i havent seen ONE post supporting keeping the thread closed which should make a point to the moderators that just because ONE person may have a problem, what ablout the rest of the people on the forums who IMO majority doesn't have a problem and wants the thread re opened.
Agreed, and it is personal taste. As a rule of thumb I think communities like this function more on sharing than owning content so if you want to own your content this community probably isnt the place for you. That said, I would like to encourage the sharing aspect of the community and remember, even tho I dont mind anyone using my components, when I get a thank you it goes a long way. Sometimes its a simple "ty" other times its someone buying me a beer, either way the more I get from you guys for my hard work the more willing I am to bust my balls trying to improve things for you guys.
What goes around comes around.
One Q; if the site really cared if we got credit then why is there no thank you button which would solve the problem. When you drop your theme you can be thanked and get your credit automatic.
Anyway a theme section is what's really needed not people fighting about themes who's icons belong to another designer,does anybody ask them permission?
Keep the piece guys it not that serious I would take what ever part of the theme that the other person is complaining about. Tell me what it is and ill make one for you,but I hope this is not going to be your only theme. I want to see some more work after this original.
Hey I also don't mind if people use/improve my theme, what I'm referring to was the improper etiquette used. Here's a PM from a user on the forum asking if he can improve upon my theme. This is proper etiquette.
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Sistum Id said:
I am requesting permission to edit and alter your MacDroid v2.2 1.41 theme for the G1. I will be making the aluminum darker (more black), and maybe changing a few icons.
If you want when I'm done I can forward it to you or host it myself and give you credit or never release it publicly.
Mike
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I tried making the brushed metal darker and it doesn't look right. It blended in to much with the rest of the menu icons and made thing harder to see. Well give it a shot perhaps you can make it look better than I did.
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I know what you mean. I tried different ways with photoshop to just change yours and make it darker but it doesnt come out right at all. It looks more bluish gray if anything.
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As a rule of thumb I think communities like this function more on sharing than owning content so if you want to own your content this community probably isnt the place for you.
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I agree with this, if it wasn't for JF finding loopholes to root or Stericson for sharing what he discovered we about theming, we wouldn't be here modding our phones in the first place.
Once again the theme i use can no longer be updated! Why for the love of god are we still arguing about giving credit for a few stupid icons? Personally i'm giving up on the xda themes board! Do we honestly want to argue about who owns a freaking metallic bar or clock? Or would we rather have decent themes? Well i know what i wanted, but as i seem to be in the minority I'm giving up on the board and it's Nazi mods - yes i'm sure i'll get banned for this but as it's going to be impossible to download any themes anyway what difference does it make!
Thanks again for taking what's supposed to be a bit of fun and ruining it for everyone!
Didnt that only happen once? And arent there still a bunch of people like me still making themes and not at all bothered by people using them or editing them or copying them?
I just wanted to remind you that what you just described only represents a very small minority of this community.
So long as you ask for permission BEFORE you post any "hybrids", then there shouldn't be a problem. A few "stupid" icons is someone's hard work. Permission for releasing SOMEONE ELSE'S work is required anywhere. It is not a XDA forums only deal.
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Once again the theme i use can no longer be updated! Why for the love of god are we still arguing about giving credit for a few stupid icons? Personally i'm giving up on the xda themes board! Do we honestly want to argue about who owns a freaking metallic bar or clock? Or would we rather have decent themes? Well i know what i wanted, but as i seem to be in the minority I'm giving up on the board and it's Nazi mods - yes i'm sure i'll get banned for this but as it's going to be impossible to download any themes anyway what difference does it make!
Thanks again for taking what's supposed to be a bit of fun and ruining it for everyone!
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Shut up nerd. You want something, make it yourself then.
i dont use the theme but yeah this dumb imho.. especially like brandek said.. most devs have said they honestly dont care.. a nice gesture.. but not required.. oh well.. guess our community lost a theme and a developer over some nonsense.. =/
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Once again the theme i use can no longer be updated! Why for the love of god are we still arguing about giving credit for a few stupid icons? Personally i'm giving up on the xda themes board! Do we honestly want to argue about who owns a freaking metallic bar or clock? Or would we rather have decent themes? Well i know what i wanted, but as i seem to be in the minority I'm giving up on the board and it's Nazi mods - yes i'm sure i'll get banned for this but as it's going to be impossible to download any themes anyway what difference does it make!
Thanks again for taking what's supposed to be a bit of fun and ruining it for everyone!
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atool4all or whatever his name was decided not to respect anybody else's work even after he was given a chance to rectify things. No respect for others that put in hard work shouldn't be accepted anywhere. If you can't see that then I hoped you enjoy your stay here on these boards. so long, bye, cya
To be completely unbiased about the whole situation and shed a bit of light on the whole issue... if the theme developers who originally created the art are open to anyone using their work they need to specifically say so in their posting of a theme. Taking icons from deviant art and not giving credit is a violation of intellectual property rights and could result in lawsuits if appropriate actions are not taken and if permission directly from the artist is not given. Being a person that worked for several years in the entertainment industry, I can tell you first hand that you need to cite work if its not yours... regardless where it comes from. If you "borrow" art for your own purposes, good for you but don't expect a good reaction if you release it as your own.
Recap:
1. Theme makers, if you don't care if people use your original artwork for their own themes... make sure to document very clearly when posting your themes.
2. "Tracers" <'Chasing Amy' reference for those who know it> if a theme maker says they don't care that you use their work please give credit. The artwork isn't as easy as it looks to be and a lot of free time that could be spent else where is being used to contribute to the freedom that we have on this forum.
Know what I'm saying??? Moderators agree???
all the mods said is add your sources but he did not, and as for a few icons just from my theme his dialer and a few icons are from me how hard is it to thank the creators for the use of their work? it is the polite thing to do. like i said i don't care if people use my images but post where you get the images from. i am sorry to see he is banned for good all he had to do was add the sources.we all would like a descent theme but if you are asked to add sources do it, no big deal.the rules are fair and understandable. i would have liked to see him get one more warning, but i don't know if he did. when you make a theme or wallpaper you like to here looks good or nice or get some positive post on it same with the images.
I Dont Care
I dont care if anyone asks me to use my theme parts or not... personally i dont.
I think of this as open source work for anyone to use without my permission or giving me credit.. if they like it to use it thats my credit... I know what I created and its a form of flattery to me.
hard work or not... I like to see what people do with other parts of themes.
Use my stuff... I dont care.. its not like it is paid work or anything... if they get paid for my stuff than thats different... but as for now....
I DONT CARE...lol
good riddance. even i can make a theme from someone elses work. the photoshop editing is the hard part. this guy is no developer or theme creator. he is a hack and should be banned.
I agree.. he borrows other peoples work (some theme devs care, others don't) and doesn't credit anyone. It's just kind of rude, if you ask me... Personally, I don't care if he's here or gone. I thought his hybrid theme sucked any ways. It was a big sloppy mess, imo.
I'm sure I don't know everything that transpired, but I sure hope tootall4la was issued a deadline to cite sources in the OP before the ban became permanent
after all, in the IP world, "borrowing" someone's work only becomes problematic when the borrowee takes issue with it
i smell this coming:
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btw dont really care about this topic
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I'm sure I don't know everything that transpired, but I sure hope tootall4la was issued a deadline to cite sources in the OP before the ban became permanent
after all, in the IP world, "borrowing" someone's work only becomes problematic when the borrowee takes issue with it
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He was given a week to cite sources and failed to do so.
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i smell this coming:
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btw dont really care about this topic
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wish it would hurry up and get closed.
i'm sick of this Hybrid theme debate, the theme was a pile of crap anyway, it's not like it took any effort to cut n' paste a few icons.
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He was given a week to cite sources and failed to do so.
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As long as this was made abundantly clear and he didn't comply, he deserved the ban.
my $0.02 before the thread gets closed or deleted.
If the creator of hybrid can take the time to edit and take apart everyones theme to create his "hybrid" why can't he take 3 minutes to cite who's theme icon A was taken from?
He has no valid argument, he could of been given permission or not, giving credit where credit is due is just right.
I wonder what he would of said if I downloaded "hybrid" changed a couple of things and released it as my own work?
The OP was given a temp ban just over 1 week ago for not citing his sources and getting testy with some of the Mods.
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All it sounds like is miss use power of the mods. He gave credit to the authors of the themes he said. Still he gets banned for not complying with some rule pulled out of the air after a week. But I mean a week... maybe something came up.
I remember in school if you failed to give credit to your source for a essay you just got marked down a few % in your grade. you didnt get dropped from the class or kicked out of school for it.
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All it sounds like is miss use power of the mods. He gave credit to the authors of the themes he said. Still he gets banned for not complying with some rule pulled out of the air after a week. But I mean a week... maybe something came up.
I remember in school if you failed to give credit to your source for a essay you just got marked down a few % in your grade. you didnt get dropped from the class or kicked out of school for it.
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He was asked to give credit to the themes which he borrowed and he gave attitude. So he got a 1 week ban to cool off and come back to make things right. He didn't and gave more attitude and now he is banned for good. He had his chance and he blew it. Oh well his theme was ugly and wasn't even a good mashup.
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All it sounds like is miss use power of the mods. He gave credit to the authors of the themes he said. Still he gets banned for not complying with some rule pulled out of the air after a week. But I mean a week... maybe something came up.
I remember in school if you failed to give credit to your source for a essay you just got marked down a few % in your grade. you didnt get dropped from the class or kicked out of school for it.
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To Whom It May Concern!
Don't port over other theme dever's stuff unless they give the ok.
in this scenario you either get permission or make your own.
STAY AWAY FROM MANUP456 THEME'S IF OTHER THEME DEVER'S ARE OK WITH IT BE MY GUEST!
EDIT#1s. this post edit is decdicated to all you ALL CAP HATERS!! get over it and just read the flippin post!!!!
Edit#2:This thread was taken way out of context there has been an extreme amount of negativity spawned from this post. I did not intend to offend and at the time of the orignal post I admitt I approached the topic in the wrong state of mind again my appologies and I want to express my apprreciation to all dev's and themers you guys kepp this sight going. . . Although I spoke-out before I thought, this EDIT is much needed.. Now if its not to much to ask let's move.. the last thing XDA need is another flame war.
Um, I see other posts (see MOONSSPOON's post in the Gloos/Aero port thread) where the original developer doesn't seem to mind the port. If you don't want people porting your work just say so, but I don't personally think the people porting are "pirates". They are just trying to help out because of all of the recent new releases.
I'm sure different theme developers have different opinions on this, just state in your original post if you don't want people using it. Though I have to say, if JF/Hakyro/etc all said "this is my work you can't use it" where would development be right now? That being the case though, I do think people should respect your request and not port it if that's what you want. Though it's going to be really silly if ports start showing up on torrent trackers lol. (come on you know that's funny)
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To Whom It May Concern!!
you know who you are!!!
STOP! STOP! STOP! PORTING OVER THEMES THAT YOU DID'NT DEVELOPE WITH OUT ASKING PERMISSION FIRST THATS JUST DISRESPECTFULL!!! YOU HAVE 2 OPTIONS IN THIS SCENARIO WAIT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PORT IT OVER OFFICIALLY OR (DRUMROLL PLEASE). . .MAKE YOUR OWN!!!!
AS FOR THOSE OF YOU FLASHING THESE THEMES KNOW ONE THING, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THESE "PIRATE-PORTERS" TO GIVE YOU AND OFFCIAL, 100%PRODUCT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CREATE IT!! SO ON THAT NOTE FLASH AT YOUR OWN RISK
HEY PIRATE-PORTERS!!! STOP CHOPPING UP PEOPLES WORK!!!
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1) All caps is never a way to get your point across effectively
2) As the above poster said, the unwritten rule around here is that yes, it's great to ask the developer first. If you don't, however, it's perfectly acceptable to just say "I ported _____s theme over to 1.5" as long as you're not taking credit for the original theme.
This community is based on collaboration, and as long as people give credit where it is due, it's ok (at least in my book).
Oh come on...
1. Please edit it to normal letters... you behave like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI
2. I really dont like people porting themes and presenting them beeing their own, but there is nearly no one doing it. So please think before you post...
How many people do we need porting one theme is the problem,if the dev says its cool then fine but four and five people porting the same theme is bound to end up in a mess. I myself will port my own themes which all theme devs should be doing. It is not safe to have people who are just jumping into this porting themes and or creating them,its all fun till people start messing up there phones then the volume of threads and post will go up because people will need to know how to fix there phone. If the people porting don't have a good amount of experience then what happens then? its becomes another's person's problem to help them.
Food for thought.
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It is not safe to have people who are just jumping into this porting themes and or creating them...
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Isn't that exactally the idea?
[HOW TO]Manuals for creating a Theam
There's even a manual to show people how to get started. I think if you're on these forums and flashing your phone it's a given that you're taking a risk. That's what it's all about, if you don't want that risk you shouldn't be downloading stuff from here, use an application with themes on the market.
Everyone starts not knowing how to do it, it's a learning process.
Again, I think people shouldn't be stepping on the toes of the developer. I also think you should edit your post so that you don't claim to speak for all theme developers.
Well that's my $.02 anyway.
im with manup, if you make a theme for one version, its a lot easier to port it, then it is to make a whole new one.
Just be considerate and patient... let the Theme-Creator take his/her time to what they want...
im all for requests to port a theme to a certain version, and for the most part it gets done.
Who's porting manup's themes?
Porting is not creating if you are learning to create theme fine then create one. The guides are very basic they teach you how to get started if everyone could create themes they would just like the devs who create builds for the phone. The problem is if you want to mess up your phone fine but why risk others phones in your learning process? Dude's build and all the new builds have a bunch of extra icons how are you going about that?
It pains me to see people taking builds/themes chopping them up and putting them back together with very little knowledge of what's really going on in there. There is no way for someone porting a theme to know if there are any .xml edits or .jar edits like stericson is doing.
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Who's porting manup's themes?
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There was a request for a port to JF1.5 in the PS theme thread. I was going to post a port but didn't (at his request) and another poster said he had one that he wouldn't post.
I haven't seen one actually posted though. I assume this post was due to the request for the theme port.
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Don't worry bro thats a main reason we started this my themes cant be ported by anyone but me.
I kinda felt a little weird and a little scared to port all these old themes with new people all of the sudden taking other members themes and screwing and chopping them. I also would think the better choice is to maybe wait for the original theme creator to port it for whatever new update comes out. just to kinda keep things safe. Its cool to do it for your personal use or mess around a little with other people's ish but i personally wouldn't really want anyone messing with my themes if i was the creator. just my .02
My theme was ported without my permission, I didn't say anything because this is just my contribution back to the community. The only problem I see with other people porting themes is that they might leave stuff out. I'm still in the process of porting my Aero theme to 1.5, that will include everything that was from the other version plus more.
I think it's great to see people want themes so bad they are doing the port themselves BUT at the same time, I agree that it should be done by the dev. I put a lot of time into my themes, making sure everything is just right, before even posting I have one available. Over the last 2 or 3 months themes have become so much more intricate than just icon changes and a status bar change. And if you port one over but don't move everything over, it can ruin the overall appeal of the theme. Once everything settles down with the 1.5 builds then I'll start porting my own over, the first will be carbon, and like spikey, it'll have a lot more done to it, I'm basically only using the orignal icons and that's it.
Also with 1.5 the custom edits are a lot different, and it's taking time to get them out. Thanks to Stericson we're finally starting to get some available.
I don't think it's piracy, but also wouldn't want one of my themes ported and posted without my permission. I know it happens and we can't stop it from happening, but show a little respect and patience, devs want to make sure our initial ideas remain through all versions of our themes
let the authors go after people that port their work without permission...
are you the authors? Of course correct thing to do is ask them first hand. However, If nothing is said to these "pirates", then authors probably dont care, dont do the caring for them.
since everyone else has their two cents in here i'm gonna throw mine in too. i personally have no problem with people porting my work, but of course i expect credit for the theme itself, and if i find out the theme porter got a donation for the theme i will rip off his balls and shove them down his throat. i see why manup would be upset that people are porting his work, i would be willing to bet that if he is given credit then people will go to him and say something like "hi i was using your haykuro 1.5 port of your ninja theme and now my phone won't boot. can you tell me how to fix it?"(i used this example becasue i am pretty sure no one has ported it yet) if someone is going to port another's work i prefer the rule of don't touch it till you have permission. i see DVD's and CDs the same way, it's leagal to make a digital copy for personal use, but not to distribute, if you wanna port your favorite theme yourself for your personal phone then fine go ahead but you are responsible for the brick you end up with.
as a general rule unless the dev says it's ok just let them port the theme, you are more likely to get a full port if you wait for the dev to do it since they are the original creator and know what they changed. as to multiple people porting the same themes that needs to stop because people will get confused and i will not be able to contain myself when the threads start popping up the the dev forum "i bricked my phone after porting XXXXX theme"
(steps down off soapbox) that's just my opinion
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let the authors go after people that port their work without permission...
are you the authors? Of course correct thing to do is ask them first hand. However, If nothing is said to these "pirates", then authors probably dont care, dont do the caring for them.
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thanks for your input zeezee, but i work hand and hand w/ the author and he and i agreed on posting this thread.. fyi he's not the only one that isnt crazy about people porting other peoples work and w/ all the themes we have on this forum, and all the new builds that are out, this is a subject that needed to be clarified...
Hey hypocrites...do you see google posting to this board that we "ruined the consistency of there theme" or "don't want us to ruin our phones w/ hackware and then ask them questions when a jf/haykuro/dude port messed them up." NO, I didn't think so. You should be grateful someone likes your theme enough to port it. You don't own your theme...this is a community involved project (developing for this phone as a whole). You can't TM Or copyright a theme on a hacked phone and the notion that you would if you could is beyond me. Bottom line is if the credit is given to the origonal dev it should be ok....except for Manups (and that's only done out of respect). This thread has so far made me sick and I don't have a strong gag reflex.
Can you honestly imagine if more themers/devs thought this way? Xda wouldn't be!
Here's a motto to live by in this type of community setting. "Why write code twice" meaning if somethings out there you can improve on, use it giving credit where due...but WHY would you write it again....
MODS SHOULD CLOSE THIS THREAD...for obvious reasons, and before the fighting starts, like going against everything XDA even stands for.
I really appreciate all the hard work xda's theme developers do to create all these themes. I have absolutely no photoshop skills (never even used it) and haven't found the time to set up the resigning tool.
Whenever something has gone wrong with a custom theme, I never feel the need to bother theme developers. Anyone who has actually read through this forum should know common troubleshooting steps e.g. wipe, reflash, etc.
Keeping that in mind, there are many people who don't take the time to actually read threads around here, and regardless of who ports what, I would think that the questions will keep coming no matter what.
That said, I have a ported theme on my phone right now, and I really appreciate work done by a "pirate". like i said, i'm not set up right now to port themes on my own, and a "pirate" saved me a lot of time. He didn't have to share, but he did and i appreciate that. You can imagine the fuss that would be raised if someone was holding out on other members..
I'd rather be using a full theme, but what I want out of this theme is slightly modified, and I'm not sure if the theme dev will oblige me.
So big thanks to devs and pirates alike, i love the way my phone looks. Hopefully all of you will be able to work out all the important details and the community will continue to thrive!
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Hey hypocrites...do you see google posting to this board that we "ruined the consistency of there theme" or "don't want us to ruin our phones w/ hackware and then ask them questions when a jf/haykuro/dude port messed them up." NO, I didn't think so. You should be grateful someone likes your theme enough to port it. You don't own your theme...this is a community involved project (developing for this phone as a whole). You can't TM Or copyright a theme on a hacked phone and the notion that you would if you could is beyond me. Bottom line is if the credit is given to the origonal dev it should be ok....except for Manups (and that's only done out of respect). This thread has so far made me sick and I don't have a strong gag reflex.
Can you honestly imagine if more themers/devs thought this way? Xda wouldn't be!
Here's a motto to live by in this type of community setting. "Why write code twice" meaning if somethings out there you can improve on, use it giving credit where due...but WHY would you write it again....
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Amen, brother.
Also, just curious if all of the theme devs actually designed their own artwork (all of it) or if they just took images from online and used them without permission regardless of copyright infringement? (and I know the overall answer.. because I see a LOT of copyrighted images in many themes, icon sets and backgrounds.) If I stole a bunch of Mickey Mouse(TM) artwork and made backgrounds, icon sets, etc.. I wouldnt really be able to complain about people stealing my theme, since I stole the images, right?
As far as being respectful, sure.. I can understand and agree with that, but if I make a theme and never port it to newer versions.. well, I would expect someone to go ahead and do it (if there was a demand for my theme). I would expect them to keep the theme name and give me credit for the original port. This is afterall, an open source community..
In the end, all you can do as a theme dev is attach a Readme.txt to your themes with you name, forum name, email address and other contact information and ask that people please do not port your theme without your permission.
Good luck enforcing the issue though..
Rick
I see a lot of great themes for Stericson lock screen, but they are all tied to a full theme.
I'd really like if you theme creators could release the lock screen theme seperately, for those people like me, who would like to keep the standard theme for the rest of the phone (or combine it with another theme).
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I see a lot of great themes for Stericson lock screen, but they are all tied to a full theme.
I'd really like if you theme creators could release the lock screen theme seperately, for those people like me, who would like to keep the standard theme (or combine it with another theme).
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Follow Stericson's twitter and you will get the latest releases.
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Follow Stericson's twitter and you will get the latest releases.
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... with the stock theme.
But what if I'd like the lock screen theme from gChrome?
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... with the stock theme.
But what if I'd like the lock screen theme from gChrome?
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pull the files fromthe lockscreen in the framework-res.apk /res/drawable/ inside there will be files named zzlockdock zzlockdock bottom.png etc. just take those files and put them in the same place as the one you want to use.
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pull the files fromthe lockscreen in the framework-res.apk /res/drawable/ inside there will be files named zzlockdock zzlockdock bottom.png etc. just take those files and put them in the same place as the one you want to use.
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That might work as a temporary solution...
Its actually a permanent solution.... get the signing utility set up, and you can use any themed lockscreen. Seems better to do it yourself rather than relying on others to customize your phone
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...Seems better to do it yourself rather than relying on others to customize your phone
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What is that supposed to mean?
Going by that statement, I should make my own theme... and trust me... you don't want to see that...
And by the way, no offence, but I really do have better things to spend my time on, than messing about with this, trying to get this thing I don't know enough about, to work.
take the images at the end of framework-res.apk with zz in front of them
drop them into a 7-zip archive for the most recent update of stercisons lockscreen that you want to use
sign the file
flash the file
or do this on a phone with the stock look of stericson's lockscreen
take the framework-res.apk from gchrome, put it on the root of your sdcard, boot into recovery
Code:
mount sdcard
mount system
cp /sdcard/framework-res.apk /system/framework/framework-res.apk
reboot
it may not work but you can try it, also it will have the 700+ .pngs from gchrome so the lockscreen isn't the only thing that will look like gchrome.
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What is that supposed to mean?
Going by that statement, I should make my own theme... and trust me... you don't want to see that...
And by the way, no offence, but I really do have better things to spend my time on, than messing about with this, trying to get this thing I don't know enough about, to work.
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The lockscreen has all the framework graphics in it. So to change the lockscreen graphics alone you will have to add them to your current themed framework-res.apk. So you will at least have to learn how to theme the lockscreen by yourself.
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What is that supposed to mean?
Going by that statement, I should make my own theme... and trust me... you don't want to see that...
And by the way, no offence, but I really do have better things to spend my time on, than messing about with this, trying to get this thing I don't know enough about, to work.
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You only have to replace about 20 images, there are guides all over the place. If you need help you can pm me.
Seriously though, I've owned a computer for almost 10 months now. I have no college education, and the last grade I completed was the 10th grade. No offense, but if you have the time to post on xda, then you have the time to change your lockscreen (about 5 min).
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You only have to replace about 20 images, there are guides all over the place. If you need help you can pm me.
Seriously though, I've owned a computer for almost 10 months now. I have no college education, and the last grade I completed was the 10th grade. No offense, but if you have the time to post on xda, then you have the time to change your lockscreen (about 5 min).
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i like you even more now
I'm not saying I couldn't do it.. I'm saying I wont do it..
But now I'm not even going to bother... I have better things to waste my time on..
You guys can keep being pretentious ****s inhere if you want.
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I'm not saying I couldn't do it.. I'm saying I wont do it..
But now I'm not even going to bother... I have better things to waste my time on..
You guys can keep being pretentious ****s inhere if you want.
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ok, i will keep it up , i am glad i have your blessing
i guess you wont be messaging me for help then....
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I'm not saying I couldn't do it.. I'm saying I wont do it..
But now I'm not even going to bother... I have better things to waste my time on..
You guys can keep being pretentious ****s inhere if you want.
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Ok bro, thanks for contributing to the community ;-)
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i like you even more now
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Ok bro, thanks for contributing to the community ;-)
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my previous statement applies even more now.
Glad that you are too lazy to waste 5 mins of your major important time, really do you expect everyone else to waste their time to help you, wait they already did by answering you. Word of advice that is great: don't be ignorent your entire life, learn to do things yourself because people suck and are unrealible
Its too bad I wasted my precious 5 minutes posting on xda, I was gonna upload a .zip for you but ran out of time ;-)
.... so sad. This can be a productive thread where you follow the instructions everyone is giving you, and then share what you learn with other people.... but nah, f**k it.... just ***** me out for offering to spend my minutes helping you.
Why do people insist on acting like they are lazy or bigger than a task, when in reality they are scared of trying something new, are they afraid that they will fail, I ask. I say learn, try new things, you never know what new knowledge or expernence in life will take you in the future. It could be the best thing for you that will lead you on a great path to possibely fill your sad empty life and lead yourself to fullfill your great expectations in life
Nike said it best: just do it
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Why do people insist on acting like they are lazy or bigger than a task, when in reality they are scared of trying something new, are they afraid that they will fail, I ask. I say learn, try new things, you never know what new knowledge or expernence in life will take you in the future. It could be the best thing for you that will lead you on a great path to possibely fill your sad empty life and lead yourself to fullfill your great expectations in life
Nike said it best: just do it
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I think its because they are neither "pretentious" nor do they "f**k" enough.
=)
Jonny will you be my friend
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
azzledazzle said:
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
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I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
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Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.