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Does anyone have aclue if our artemis will be able to run wm7 and explore all of those touch potencialities?
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
Rudegar said:
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
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i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
joey jojo said:
i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
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dude one year is looooooooooong enough in the tech industry
but i agree WM7 will be far more advanced to run on Artemis or if we did get lucky and we got WM7 on our phones,it would be very limited in use, or just a basic new look without the additional features
Same old story like XP and Vista
It will be like running Vista on your old Desktop Computer: Either you don't have graphics power for Aero or your entire system will be too slow to run this thing.
It looks nice but no thank you! By the time they have it released I will have my ultimate pda-phone and my Artemis will be trash compared to that.
WM7 compared to WM6.1?
Maybe this is a matter of me not having read enough about WM7 specs, but judging by the way WM6.1 runs on my Artemis with most animations etc turned on(FAST!), I think WM7 might not be such a far grasp. Of course, we'll know for sure when someone WM7 is released and someone is kind enough to bake a ROM for us!
Looking forward to it!
all the fun fun fun stuff is hardware based though (3d accel, accelerometers)
and they may change the entire framework of how windows mobile works. remember that odd numbered releases are major overhauls and even numbers are GUI refreshes
the hardware based godness wont work obviously, but it will probably get ported.
Remember WM6.1 is available on here for the Himalaya, originally a WM2003 device IIRC
If THATS possible.....
jahrami said:
dude one year is looooooooooong enough in the tech industry
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Its not even a year now though, in 5 months time it will practically be 2009. And in my opinion, the only real major change in PDA's is the release of a WM device with an accelerometer (Diamond). I am confident that WM7 will be available for the P3300 in its full glory
Oh, and the odd number/even number thing is rubbish, if thats actually true, where is WM4/2004? :|
It's 2009
It's February 2009, and it's still not out now.
I saw some screenshots of supposedly running WM7 (with photo of ugly-looking bird as wallpaper), though.
i think that was WM6.5 , not 7
thanksszxsx
Is the WM6.1 floating around on the forums derived from official MS release? I searched the various posts as well as on google and couldn't find anything on that.
The reason why I ask this is because looking at the screenshots scattered around the forum I visually atleast, don't see any difference/improvement from our wm6.0
I own a Tilt and I recollect a couple of months back there was a lot of buzz around MS releasing some good enhancements and there was even a much different GUI that was shown in their smartphone platform on MS' own website to which people guessed that it may be coming in wm6.1!!?
Weren't there an official statement on MS WM site of the Tilt and a few select other phones getting the next version of W mobility center syncing with PC plus other enhancements to which all assumed that it'd be WM6.1 ???!!
Can someone shed some light here please! Thanks.
As to whether or not it is an official release, I haven't a clue. But, as to differences, I have noticed several on my HTC Mogul (HTC xv6800, Titan, whatever you call it). Most notably is speed: the device is *noticably* faster running the same problems, and I have run 6 or 7 different ROMs with WM 6 to compare against... it is by far the fastest. Also, on the titan voice command w/ bluetooth headset hasn't ever completely worked, as the verification never worked. All bluetooth functions on my phone seem to be working significantly better.
Other than that, there are a few changes... seems like it's automatically closing certain programs when they aren't used (notably PIE and Messaging) about which I have mixed feelings, but it does tend to make for better memory management...
so there are some improvements. I'm still identifying all of them, since I just flashed the new OS night before last, but there are some definite changes.
I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)
the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009
Rudegar said:
the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009
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i also read somewhere that visually, there is a big difference between the ppc and the smartphone versions of 6.1
yep windows mobile 7 is the one with the whole new gui and finger friendliness on it, but it wouldn't suprise me if they included a few bits in 6.1 just to keep i phone at bay.
Hope its not the official one...
efexor said:
I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)
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I certainly hope that this isn't the official MS release as even though like you guys (taxilian) are saying that there is significant speed improvement and tweaks here and there, I'd much rather take some GUI improvements that will allow for more and more functionality with just fingers... I mean a stylus to go tap tap while walking in a park... come on dude!!
Hello everyone. Can I have some expert opinion please? Do we think that the tilt 2 which was just released last Oct. and I just got mine last week, will be able to support windows mobile 7? Do we think that AT&T will upgrade the OS when it comes out? Being and owner of win mo phones since the 8125 first came out, I know how slow AT&T is to release updated OS's.
This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
I'm not an expert at all...
But it seems like it's one thing for W7 to be somehow cooked to run on the TP2, but another thing for it to run well, without excessive lag (for example).
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This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
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This is a great point. Whenever someone dares to mention WinMo7 on the TP2, you get flamed and the spec impossibilities yelled at your face. But exactly my point about what people said "couldn't" be done!
It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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The Zune OS is based off of the Windows CE kernel, which is also the base for Windows Mobile, so there wouldn't be complete incompatibility as some of the false rumors lead you to believe. There are a lot of blatantly false rumors floating around on even the most respected WM sites, so take every unconfirmed rumor you read about WM 7 with a grain of salt.
Though I would love Windows Mobile 7 on the Touch Pro2, I have to say that it's pretty unlikely it'll happen. First, to everyone who gives the example of WM6 running on WM5 devices and WM6.5 running on WM 6.x/5.x devices, the reason this is easy is because all these operating systems (WM5-WM6) run the same Windows CE 5.2 kernel. It's a lot easier to backport an OS when it uses the same kernel. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be based off Windows CE 6 or 7, and it'll likely take a hell of a lot of low-level work to get WM7 on the Pro2.
If you don't believe me, look in this thread at PPCGeeks, where some of the most technical people discuss this issue in more detail. It seems to me that we'll need a new everything, from the SPL and bootloader to new hardware drivers (since it's extremely unlikely that WM7 will support the Qualcomm MSM series considering the rumored WM 6.5.x and WM 7 coexistance scheme, where only 6.5 supports lower end devices and hardware like the MSM series).
I'm not saying I don't want WM 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, but I am trying to be realistic here, so I'm gonna say it's likely no to WM 7 on the Pro2.
one guy from htc russia announced WM7 minimal requirements: 8Gb onboard, CPU1GHz,FM, 5Mpx,compass,G-sensor,3,6",WVGA.
but of course its not true
My Universal (2005) came with wm5!
Then upgraded to wm6, then to wm6.1 and I got it working with wm6.5
I´m sure the great chefs here will manage something so we can have wm7 for sure!
As a long time poster and developer at XDA, I'd just like to go on record as saying that my Tilt 2 is the best Windows phone I've ever owned. Fast, efficient and pretty much crash free, this phone has powered my mobile life more effectively and efficiently than any of the predecessors I've owned.
It's a shame that the Windows Mobile OS finally reached its promise only to fade away. WP will be nothing that I want a part of so I'll be moving to Android ITNF just as soon as I can find a device that can match the specs of my Tilt2 on AT&T.
Anyway, kudos to HTC for this one. You broke the mold for sure and showed me that WM really could be up to the task of a daily workhorse in more areas than I could ever have dreamed of.
completely agree. i switched to android for a spell, but came back because it wasnt quite there for an actual business tool. however i have been following it and i think with the additions of some security protocals coming in 3.0 i may make the switch. as far as my tp2 goes, its a rock solid device. sure it took a lot of tweeking but in the end this thing is a work horse and i lament the loss of such a great os. if ms put any effort into it, they wouldnt have had to do wp7 at all, and android wouldnt have gotten off the ground. but oh well, it is what it is.
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WP will be nothing that I want a part of so I'll be moving to Android ITNF just as soon as I can find a device that can match the specs of my Tilt2 on AT&T.
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not to argue with you over your preferences but I’m not sure you have taken the time to go through and look at all that WP7 has to offer, you should check out the WP7 videos on pocketnow.com YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo I admit at first look it made me think WTF but as I read more in to it and learn more about the new OS I get more and more excited for this new platform. Multitasking isn’t there from day one but I believe that the team behind this OS know what they are doing and I believe that feature will come to fruition soon after release.
As for the specs the tilt2 is a great phone but not when it comes to specs, WP7 has standardized specs starting well above the tilt2 specs.
I do agree that the tilt2 is a great phone and android is going in the right direction for itself, but I think you should give WP7 another chance and look at what it has to offer you and everyone else, I believe this is truly the first mobile OS with Business users, home users, gamers and developers in mind.
My biggest problems with WP7 are its locked down, abstracted filesystem, lack of multi-tasking support, and app-store only enhancement source. Taken straight from Apple, these are also many of the reasons why I'll never buy an iPhone. The fact that SD card support exists is a joke since the filesystem is "striped" onto the card rather than targeted there.
Conversely, there are already several free developer tools for Android and underneath the hood, its Linux with a rich, well-known file-system having traditional SD card support. I have many self-developed apps on my Tilt2; it was easy to develop for since WM had the same code-base architecture as windows. As a Java developer, I'm expecting a short learning curve for Android as well, not to mention a large inventory of custom ROMs to choose from.
Hate to see you leaving the WM world, I've been using your apps since my Hermes.
I must agree, the TP2 is one work horse of a device, and after a little tweaking one of the fastest most stable I've owned. I'm torn between WP7 and Android for my next device, I do know it will be something from HTC tho.
For me, the Touch Pro2 is the best mobile device up to date. I guess I'll move to Android later as WP7 isn't exactly what I where waiting for.
Shame that Rhodium hasn't got 2x ram and a snap dragon processor. This probably would enhance it's lifetime.
Shame that also Palm has gave up mobile devices. I would be really excited to see a lifted palmOS device. Like an updated Palm Pre with a qwerty keyboard... Ahhh! I would love it.
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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So much fight here about it.....
Well I'm still not decided.
But I know I want to give WP7 a go.
Looks great and I would be happy to have clean, unified UI.
Limitations which are apparent on WP7 make it unusable at this point.
Android is the most complete but I just really don't like it's interface...
Probably staying with 6.5 for some time....
i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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LOL , you just made a lot of people angry by stopping with cooking rom's .
I think I will stick with wm 6.5 for awhile. I use it as a Mass storage device & tether with it often. I also am really used to using smart dialing which I can't understand why it wasn't added to WP7. I'll wait to a few months after WP7 lands on Sprint to see what the updates have brought & what hackers have opened. If more functionality is available on WP7 I'll get it, if not I'll go with Android when I want to upgrade because of hardware
shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
i switched to android, never looked back
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
There should be another choice "I would celebrate with Dom Perignon!" Please put the 6.5 out of it's misery already!
One thing is sure for me, I will not be joinging the iPhone family.
Possibly Maemo or Androd. Depends what kiind of devices will be out by then.
W7 only if there has been lots of needed updates and/or hacks/roms and such.
Any poll in a specific device forum will always have support for that device.
Poll threads should be in common forum to get a neutral response from ALL, IF the thread starter wants to know EVERYONE's opinion.
Just my 2C
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shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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Life after WM6.5 to which he refers is precisely WP7. then the correct section!
A little off-topic, but correct!
I found that I was having to flash new ROMs etc to my 6.5 because the UI and features available to a standard WinMo was rubbish. I never liked the 6.5 OS much, I just liked the ability to customise and look deeper into the phone
I am now on WP7 and would never look back on 6.5.
At the moment I don't see I have much choice - Android here I come I think.
The gains in slick simple UI are insufficient in my case to outweigh the loss of functionality vs 6.5.
Many of the other advantages (gaming for example) are of no interest to me on my phone (I am not the target market).
I will stick with 6.5 until at least Phone Alarm is released for Android, then it will become viable for me. Hopefully this will be early 2011.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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Ditto. X1 was excellent.
Currently on X2 which is actually better in many regards.
Anyway, I just hope SE will make it around Feb/March.
So it will catch upgrades which are for me necessary.
And until core apps I use on WM 6.5 will be functional/supported
I can just wait for some time....
I find it hard to believe anyone speaks of the death of WinMo in the present tense. It died for me like 2 1/2 years ago and since then the iPhone has taken over the smartphone market, Android has taken over the spot WM6.5 used to occupy and Microsoft has done practically nothing until very recently. I bought a Focus and I like it, it's a magnitude nicer and easier to use than my old Fuze with WM6.5 and while it's lacking a lot of the functionality, that will come with time and, in the meantime, I don't need to take out my reading glasses and itty bitty cramp inducing stylus to use it. The Fuze is still sitting on my desk, unused, with a noticable layer of dust on it. And there it will sit until I finally tire of looking at it and throw it away. And good riddance!
I cannot speak for anyone but for me, I have been windows mobile user ever since palm treo with windows on it. Before making switch to WP7, my device was Tilt2 and I tweaked the crap out of it putting custom roms and radio to fit my taste. Although having the capability was great but my user experience was not all that great. Something was always wrong and the hardware and software wasn't working correctly, so I was constantly tweaking and tell you the truth I got tired.
I was ready to jump ship to Android with Samsung Captivate but as soon as the WP7 was arriving I decided to wait. Boy I am glad that I did, I am happy with my samsung focus. Although it's missing some functions now but I am sure it's on it's way, the stability and the fact that it just works and I do not have to tweak anything makes my life a lot easier. Could not be more happy with OS. At least so far.
My wife has iphone and looked at android and both are not really appealing to me. Android is not all that great even if with all the customization and tweaking.