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Diamond D3D Video drivers - default HTC_3D(soft) vs. ATI3D(hard) vs. S.Omnia3d(soft).

Why is the "ati d3d video driver" that works perfectly on HTC Diamond mostly ignored by the chefs and cookers?
Any specific reasons?
We have a version of the ATI d3d driver that enables diamond hardware rendering and makes VR hologram works smooth and 3d games are totally different.
Also there are COD2 3d files and settings here...
There is a visible improvement with this driver but the driver is ignored without any reason.
Also I added Samsung Omnia 3d SOFTWARE rendering drivers if you want to compare.(You can’t uninstall S.Omnia driver.)
Use the test`s and compare the results.
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ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER FAQ:
- Works perfectly on 2.03 rom.
- ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER makes OpenGL ES 1.1 to work on Hardware mode.
ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER enables diamond hardware rendering for 3D applications which are made on OpenGL ES.
Like S2P and the 3D hologram and lots of GLES 3d games with the 3D driver. (DOOM, DUKE NUKEM etc...)
- Uninstall procedure of the ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER - remove the cab or switch easily from one driver to other for testing via registry:
* HKLM/System/D3DM/Drivers/LocalHook ( d3dm_ati.dll or htc_d3dm.dll ) The original HTC_d3dm.dll is a software driver, which is a heavily modified Microsoft Reference driver that HTC ships with our Diamond's.
- mpeg, avi, xvid, or any video extension wont work better. This ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER mainly enables hardware rendering for 3D applications.
- No battery problems at all. I did noticed some improvements but not tested. USEd this driver since aug. without problems.
To visualy expiriense the huge 3d difference with the ATI D3D VIDEO DRIVER.
->> Just copy "lights.exe" to your Diamond and run it with the default driver. Check the speed and the quality of the rotating cylinder.
->> Installl the "Driver_Ati d3d.cab" and run again "light.exe" Check the speed and the quality of the rotating cylinder. (video)
->> Do the same with the Virtual Hologram.
To test:
- Disable TF3D;
- Power (disable turn off backlight)
Restart and wait until everything is loaded properly before running the programs.
1.LiGHTS.EXE Animation
a.Original driver
Driver: Microsoft d3d - d3dmref.dll
Hardware Rasterization - F A L S E
Hardware T &L – F A L S E
Using system memory – slow
b. ATI 3D driver
Driver:
Hardware Rasterization – T R U E
Hardware T &L – T R U E
Using VIDEO memory – VERY FAST
2.Dynamix 3d benchmark results - Software mode
a.Original driver
average 58.59FPS
min 15FPS
max 71FPS
b. ( Samsung Omnia )
average 65.66FPS
min 21FPS
max 71FPS
3.VIrtiual hologram
a.Original driver – AVG 16FPS
b.ATI 3D VIDEO DRIVER – AVG 51FPS
Lots of improvements with all 3d games.
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Credit goes to http://www.htcclassaction.org/ for getting 3D drivers ported and figuring out how to enable and accelerate Ati D3D.
K

Well some cookers don't add it so that people can choose... some uses ati d3d and some other use others as omnia drivers which i personally prefer... well it just done so that people can chose.. you can find this driver all the places on this forum btw..

you know the MSM7200 doesn't have *any* ATI technology inside it right? if there's any performance improvement, it must be imagined, or it's optimising software processing.

Well they're licensing ATI's imageon chip so in someway there is ATI technology inside

There's been a whole slew of developments over the past few days from different directions, in terms of MSM graphics. There has to be a chip of some sort or else OpenGLES wouldn't be supported, I think. And as Wishmaster put it, QC is licensing that name.

KraFT_mk said:
Why is the "ati 3d video driver" for HTC Diamond not included in the standard htc rom and also its mostly ignored by the cookers?
Any specific reasons?
We have a version of the ATI d3d driver that makes VR hologram works smooth and some games are totally different.
Also there are COD2 3d files and settings here...
There is a visible improvement with this driver but the driver is ignored.
Why is that and is this the only 3d version?
K
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0.15 fps before and 30fps after in hologram.
gotta say, there is something to this.

hologram doesn't have any consistency in measuring fps, imo it's not very good app at the moment for that purpose, I would like to see better fps in some other programs after using this driver pack, anyone?
also, I haven't found any improvement in video playback which is more important I guess, at least for me.

hmm Its better to install the driver is it smoother like an iphone or so? wich driver is the best forwathcing movies

Olipro said:
you know the MSM7200 doesn't have *any* ATI technology inside it right? if there's any performance improvement, it must be imagined, or it's optimising software processing.
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the Diamond uses the MSM 7201A and the ATI Imageon thingy.
there IS ATI technology in this phone. maybe you have it confused with another phone?

KraFT_mk said:
Why is the "ati 3d video driver" for HTC Diamond not included in the standard htc rom and also its mostly ignored by the cookers?
Any specific reasons?
We have a version of the ATI d3d driver that makes VR hologram works smooth and some games are totally different.
Also there are COD2 3d files and settings here...
There is a visible improvement with this driver but the driver is ignored.
Why is that and is this the only 3d version?
K
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the reason why they didn't include the driver is because it drain the battery a little bit faster when watching video , recording video , opening 3d program or games and so on .

So let me get this straight, it offers improvements to the phone but it's downside is that it drains the battery more. Do we know how much / fast ?

No, it shouldn't drain the battery at all. In fact, it is more efficient use of it.
There could be different reasons why chef don't use it. I saw one say that it's not official...or something of the sort.

Right, in that case, anyone got a link to whatever version of the driver is the latest one please ?
Many thanks,

^ The Ati d3d...cab in the first post should work fine.
I've tried the Omnia drivers with VSBenchmark2007, and there's no real difference. In fact, ATI is still a tad bit better.

First post update:
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Also I added Samsung Omnia 3d SOFTWARE rendering drivers if you want to compare.(You can’t uninstall them!)
Use the test and lets compare the results.
Driver_Ati d3d.cab (33.7 KB, 0 views)
Driver_SJ SamsungOmnia D3D.cab (109.0 KB, 0 views)
Test_dynamix3dbench.PPC2003_ARM.CAB (152.3 KB, 0 views)
Test_Lights and Text3D.zip (8.8 KB, 0 views)

Here my Result:
I use ATI d3d driver with original 2.03 GER Rom.
Result form Dynamix 3D Benchmark:
Average FPS: 67,52
MIN FPS: 21
MAX FPS: 73
Diamond Hologram:
FPS: 25
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Without the Driver:
Result form Dynamix 3D Benchmark:
Average FPS: 65,67
MIN FPS: 21
MAX FPS: 71
Diamond Hologram:
FPS: 0,15

igo8 and 3d drivers
hi all,
i noticed that the 3d interface of igo8 doesn't run smoothly on the diamond. Does anyone know if the ATI drivers make this app run more smoothly?

Any idea how to implement the Ati Driver cab in a stock ROM.
Wich files i must change i the kitchen.
Sorry but i don´t found any informations in this forum

I'll try to explain this as good as i possibly can.
The Ati driver is the ONLY driver that enables hardware 3D rendering. No Hardware 2D rendering. So you'll ONLY see improvements in 3D applications THAT USE OPENGL_ES_CM. (so NO improvements to TomTom, Igo, whatever nav app you use UNLESS it uses openGL)
The Omnia driver is a software 3D render driver. It doesn't do anything with the graphics chip hardware-wise.
Now about benchmarking tools:
If you want to test 3D Hardware, you should look for benchmarking tools that use OpenGL_ES. If you're not interested in that, you can use any benchmarking tool you want.
The reason why most cooks don't use the ati driver is that it's not the most stable driver to use in a ROM that's supposed to used daily. Imagine adding a supercharger to your Fiat Panda and risk blowing up your engine at every stop-n-go...

NeoS2007 said:
So you'll ONLY see improvements in 3D applications THAT USE OPENGL_ES_CM. (so NO improvements to TomTom, Igo, whatever nav app you use UNLESS it uses openGL)
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So Navigon 7 should improve? Theres a libGLES_CM_NoE.dll and libEGL.dll in the directory...

video playback,how is this possible?

video playback???
i was reading the htc rhodium review on mobile review
http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-touch-pro2.shtml
and i saw the video benchmark ,i got shocked (almost same hardware ) so different benchmark
someone can explains me why?

better drivers in that rom?

h/w acceleration?
Is there a chance that h/w acceleration is coming into play here?
We know that X1 dont get h/w acceleraion with core player, maybe the standard APIs are h/w accelerated on Rhodium?

Ok well basically the Touch pro had a lower Resolution screen (480 x 640 pixels) which equals 307200 total pixels
On the otherside the X1 and touch Pro 2 have higher resolution screens (480 x 800 pixels) which equals 384000 total pixels
This means that the x1 and touch pro 2 have to process 76800 more pixels in each frame than the touch pro.
that my explanation anyway..

i dont care about touch pro vs xperia
i care about touch pro 2 (rhodium) vs xperia
xperia is 30 to 40% slower??
why?

The hardware is the same...so....better driver!

if your running Windows Mobile 6.1 then yeah the Xperia is gonna be wayyyyy slower. Install WinMo 6.5 and then see the difference. heaps faster (and yeah the beta is faster than the final version of WinMo 6.1)

lp640 said:
if your running Windows Mobile 6.1 then yeah the Xperia is gonna be wayyyyy slower. Install WinMo 6.5 and then see the difference. heaps faster (and yeah the beta is faster than the final version of WinMo 6.1)
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It's like vista vs Windows 7

all round drivers etc methinks. Although when using a rhodium based rom, the video aint much better. Ask a good cook (itje, agent 47, gttrab etc)

which are the best drivers for video playback for xperia?

Jabe said:
which are the best drivers for video playback for xperia?
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try ati 3d (use search)

Can someone confirm, that in WinMo 6.5 the playback speed with Coreplayer is faster? If so, which ROM were you using for testing?

criszz said:
try ati 3d (use search)
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I did tried that. No visible difference in speed both in coreplayer and in wmplayer.

thelucius said:
I did tried that. No visible difference in speed both in coreplayer and in wmplayer.
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Same results here.... imho i think that video performance is slower on WM 6.5..

same here. no difference and even found quite a few posts stating there would be no difference.
about playback in wm6.5. I have to say that playback in coreplayer and media panel both was way better in wm6.1 custom ROMs than in wm6.5 ROMs. to be honest video is unwatchable in all wm6.5 ROMs I have tried and I do not know what to do.

The Touch Pro2 is 6 months newer..what do you expect?

Wow, with my newly flashed ROM I just noticed that my videos plays with no lagg at all. It's so freakin nice!
If you want I can look up what ROM I use, but I think it's called PC4tech or something like that! Everything else is also very good with this ROM!

do you use bt stereo headset?

bobbanswe said:
Wow, with my newly flashed ROM I just noticed that my videos plays with no lagg at all. It's so freakin nice!
If you want I can look up what ROM I use, but I think it's called PC4tech or something like that! Amazing ROM except for the video playback too!
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huh? don't get it...

psycosonic said:
huh? don't get it...
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Haha, oopps. Of course I misstyped

Camera API?

I want to be able to take a high resolution picture from within a .Net application. I don't want to use the Camera Dialog as that's an external dialog to my app. I have seen a software that has done something similar, so I know it is possible. Here is the link to the site
http://www.quickmark.com.tw.
I guess they use the proprietary camera api of the manufacturer. I currently use HTC Tilt as my testing device and it's difficult to get it from them.
Is there anyway round this? I have also tried DirectShow, however the resolution is poor. Is there an HACK out there?
I primarily code in C#, so if anyone can help, I'll be grateful.

HTC closing their devices from default windows use by interfaces.
By quering windows camera device we have only 160x120 res with 10 fps, but closed HTC camera drivers have full usage.
Fix is only hacking htc drivers

cm9 camcorder fix

Does anybody know if there is a flashable zip that fixes the camcorder for the wildfire s.

thugnastie said:
Does anybody know if there is a flashable zip that fixes the camcorder for the wildfire s.
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Camcorder works fine but it lags because of OMX drivers and ****. It can't be fixed until and unless qualcom showers us with support or some developer devotes hell lot of time to get them working.
So NO. You may try LG Camera or MIUI camera for recording videos and MXplayer for running them. S/W mode preffered.

qualcomm drivers
but qualcomm has already published the drivers for adreno 2XX, our gpu is adreno 200, then the programmers have the drivers to implement it on the souce code and get working the camera and better results on games, why modpunks dont say anything?
P.D: sorry for my bad english

ManuelVs said:
but qualcomm has already published the drivers for adreno 2XX, our gpu is adreno 200, then the programmers have the drivers to implement it on the souce code and get working the camera and better results on games, why modpunks dont say anything?
P.D: sorry for my bad english
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They are adreno drivers we need omx drivers...
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Video Codecs

I took a look around. If I'm not wrong, there isn't any ROM ICS or JB or still newer than GB that have HQ video working.
Just one or two months ago I was using a Legend. There the problem was very difficult : ARMv6 was no more supported so it looked quite impossible to have HQ video working.
And now it has.
Zeubea, the developer of Legend's Unofficial CM9 ( a SO DAMN GREAT ROM ) managed to have HQ video playback working.
I don't know too much of processors, but ARMv6 indicates the instruction set, right? Desire is ARMv7, isn't it? I heard that the problem was just the version of instuction set while I had a Legend : ARMv7 had everything and ARMv6 did not. I suppose I was wrong, because Desire still don't have. I searched a little bit and I found something that indicated the problem was the GPU for hardware decoding. Desire's GPU is the same of Legend's. So, if I'm right, the problem existed.
I'm opening this thread mainly to ask for clarifications about all this : knowing what you're talking about is very important.
And then I'm sharing this [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33374614]. I don't know if it can anyhow help, because, as said before, I don't have very clear ideas about all this. But if it can, I hope this will help us all.
Thanks in advance for patience and explanations.