We can ask help of a Chinese ROM（恳请大家能帮帮出一个中文的ROM）
在下中国大陆人氏！！入手PPC 已经2年！！大陆的一些网站制作的ROM 根本就是很不好用！！因为本人的英语不是很好！每次路过此网站都只能叹息而走！！ 借助翻译软件 终于可以在这里发帖子！！希望有个大侠能帮做个CHT9000 中文的ROM 繁体的也可以！！
在此感谢各位了！！！ 下面是翻译软件把我的话翻译过来 呵呵 很差劲的！！
Renshi mainland China in the next! ! PPC has started for 2 years! ! China produced some of the Web site of the ROM is simply not good! ! Because my English is not good! Every time pass by this site can only sigh and go! ! Translation software can help finally posted here! ! There is a hope to be able to errant CHT9000 Traditional Chinese ROM of the can! !
In a thank you! ! ! The following is a translation software to translate my words from a very bad Ha ha! !
fun
i do not know why this guy send this post to here.
i do not want to abuse you, but some words you mentioned i can not agree.
we also have a lot of good webs. it contains too many roms with simple chinese.
bbs.imobile.com.cn
我看不起你，这个白痴，说你叫走狗一点都不过分。
滚回家去，丢人。
去暴风论坛上下yopad做的rom吧。我刷了无数rom这个最好。
满大街好用的rom 随便找就有
国内最普及的机器居然被你说没有rom我实在是受不了你
另外你觉得找老外做中文rom现实吗
我不怀疑你的耐心 但是我怀疑你的智商。。。
The guy is bull****
I dont understand why is so fool.....orz...
yangxiaosan said:
在下中国大陆人氏！！入手PPC 已经2年！！大陆的一些网站制作的ROM 根本就是很不好用！！因为本人的英语不是很好！每次路过此网站都只能叹息而走！！ 借助翻译软件 终于可以在这里发帖子！！希望有个大侠能帮做个CHT9000 中文的ROM 繁体的也可以！！
在此感谢各位了！！！ 下面是翻译软件把我的话翻译过来 呵呵 很差劲的！！
Renshi mainland China in the next! ! PPC has started for 2 years! ! China produced some of the Web site of the ROM is simply not good! ! Because my English is not good! Every time pass by this site can only sigh and go! ! Translation software can help finally posted here! ! There is a hope to be able to errant CHT9000 Traditional Chinese ROM of the can! !
In a thank you! ! ! The following is a translation software to translate my words from a very bad Ha ha! !
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bbs.xbeta.cn。
here u will find something。。。
在这个论坛你会发现很多。
你没病吧！
老大，叫老外做中文ROM，我看你是神经！
要中文嘀告诉你去用这个吧：http://www.ooppc.com/thread-27810-1-1.html
包证你如你意！
四海之內皆兄弟
繁體中文版請收下 http://forum.imobile.tw/showthread.php?t=1144
“大陆的一些网站制作的ROM 根本就是很不好用”。。。。
您用过吗，不要乱说！
英文不好，还要来这里得瑟。。。。
林子大了什么birds都有呀。。。
sutan said:
“大陆的一些网站制作的ROM 根本就是很不好用”。。。。
您用过吗，不要乱说！
英文不好，还要来这里得瑟。。。。
林子大了什么birds都有呀。。。
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i agree with you
konicamax said:
i do not know why this guy send this post to here.
i do not want to abuse you, but some words you mentioned i can not agree.
we also have a lot of good webs. it contains too many roms with simple chinese.
bbs.imobile.com.cn
我看不起你，这个白痴，说你叫走狗一点都不过分。
滚回家去，丢人。
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wow.. i think that's a bit harsh... did u just call him a retard and tell him to run like a dog? .. to your own fellow countryman.. for making a simple request?.. as u know .. he has the freewill to speak his mind and does not deserve the kind of oppression and abuse that you're putting on him. He is entitled to his view and u should respect that. U said that u don't want to abuse him but you did. You could've simply referred him to other sites for his request but instead u have verbally abused him in chinese but in english you pretended to sound like you didn't agree with him but respected his opinion, which we call democracy in the USA.
sutan said:
“大陆的一些网站制作的ROM 根本就是很不好用”。。。。
您用过吗，不要乱说！
英文不好，还要来这里得瑟。。。。
林子大了什么birds都有呀。。。
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您英文好吗? then why r u 来这里得瑟 ? u're just as guilty
idfour said:
四海之內皆兄弟
繁體中文版請收下 http://forum.imobile.tw/showthread.php?t=1144
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why can't we be all civil like this guy? let's set aside our differences and focus on finding/providing our leads to good ROMs.
SAM66 said:
满大街好用的rom 随便找就有
国内最普及的机器居然被你说没有rom我实在是受不了你
另外你觉得找老外做中文rom现实吗
我不怀疑你的耐心 但是我怀疑你的智商。。。
The guy is bull****
I dont understand why is so fool.....orz...
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我怀疑你的 respect for people's opinion since you stated that you wonder about yangxiaosan's mental ability?
I wonder about your respect for democracy and other's people's opinion.
chwang13 said:
wow.. i think that's a bit harsh... did u just call him a retard and tell him to run like a dog? .. to your own fellow countryman.. for making a simple request?.. as u know .. he has the freewill to speak his mind and does not deserve the kind of oppression and abuse that you're putting on him. He is entitled to his view and u should respect that. U said that u don't want to abuse him but you did. You could've simply referred him to other sites for his request but instead u have verbally abused him in chinese but in english you pretended to sound like you didn't agree with him but respected his opinion, which we call democracy in the USA.
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So, come on, i know if you were Zhong Guo Ren, welcome to back home and make a success to improve our industry,economy and tech same as me.
a descendants of the Yellow Emperor speak to you now.
if not, shut up please !
thank you very much !
chill out dudes!!! can you just be friendly and give him a link and call it a day.. cmon!!
proceed with this bullsh*t fight and you will get banned!!!
Keep it polite!
Thread closed.
Related
HI ALL;
As u might have seen,coolgadget wants to leave us.I wish to have this something like a petition and ask him to stop.Let the number of us make him change his mind.All those who enjoyed the ROMs and other things from the site,please add a post as a sign.
Regards
RAMBO29 very nice from you.
You can count on my vote to support.
Me too
I'm sorry that the devs are feeling upset by comments from a small minority of users, but guys they ARE a small minority. I for one really appreciate the work done on the ROMS and the support provided by some very talented people on these forums.
Doume said:
RAMBO29 very nice from you.
You can count on my vote to support.
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You have my vote and always my support.
I agree this forum is great and it is because of some nice guys that work hard and cook some great ROMS.
Let's keep it that way and support those guys.
CoolGadet and Tom, too - please don´t leave this forum - see so many members and friends thinking about the situation and waiting on (we are all with you).
Please, Please, Please go on cooking roms and developing applications - lets have fun as in former times!
Uli form Germany
uliba said:
CoolGadet and Tom, too - please don´t leave this forum - see so many members and friends thinking about the situation and waiting on (we are all with you).
Please, Please, Please go on cooking roms and developing applications - lets have fun as in former times!
Uli form Germany
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Tom??? Tom is gone too?????
Tom stay with us, please my friend.
It really would be ashame if all the people with the know how are leaving the forum. I'm like most of the visitors a reader, not a writer. just ignore the small bunch of complainers.
Don't let the dimwits win - stay on board!
Please stay.
Although I haven't been a member for long, I have begun to appreciate Xda-Devs as my second home (quite literally) and I'd hate to see a small minority disrupt the cause of the greater good.
Just my 0.02$
as Virgilio said to Dante: don't care about them, just look and go on...
DON' T GO AWAY!!!
I understand you.
Please stay!
Coolgadjet!
please stay!
XDA - DEVELOPERS will not be the same without you.
Hey guys please stay your work and help is definitely appreciated
Merlin_reloaded said:
Although I haven't been a member for long, I have begun to appreciate Xda-Devs as my second home (quite literally) and I'd hate to see a small minority disrupt the cause of the greater good.
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totally agree in your opinion. Just ignore these idiots and come back, please !
And Tom_codon too
i don't see Tom online in 3 days.In this thead have 452 view but why only 13 post ??
U want Tom and Coolgadget quit with us ???
If don't want it.Please say anything.I think if we have 100 post Tom and Coolgaget will stay..!
Please write anything i don't want Tom quit with us.I love this guy..
Please Stay
You have my support too! please don't leave. its people like you that make this board worth coming to! Goes out to Tom and Coolgadget!!!!
Pls don't go
Pls don't go boys
capital said:
And Tom_codon too
i don't see Tom online in 3 days.(
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You did not look too hard, he was online at 20.48 hours on 03 September.
They got my vote too! It is nowhere fair that a small group off people can be the reason for some great guys to leave this forum!
Common guys please think about it!
RvBCrS
my vote too,
come on guys, don't take notice of all these
lazy, stupide guys who just wait and complaine.
there is all the reste of us who are counting on you.
okay, maybe stupid newbies questions but.... please
stay.
I have a matrix gif that I want to make my backgroung if possible
What is required and how do I make an animated gif as background on a dopod 838 pro.
Links and or cabs for this would be appriciated.
Peter
Odlaw said:
I have a matrix gif that I want to make my backgroung if possible
What is required and how do I make an animated gif as background on a dopod 838 pro.
Links and or cabs for this would be appriciated.
Peter
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if this is a joke .... Mwahahahahahah.
if you are serious ... afft noob!
hey he just asking after all.. why not answer him?
shafique said:
hey he just asking after all.. why not answer him?
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That would be nice.
A great response for a senior member of this forum.
If it is not possible just say so! ( although for this question i get the picture )
There will always be newcomers who will ask questions from members of sites. In some cases they will be the most basic thing (to you) but to us it is a question that is genuine.
If they annoy you, don't respond at all.
Maybe there should be a Sticky folder at the start of each Thread named (questions from newbies) or something along those lines, that the senior members that remember when they were the newbies could respond to those questions, which obviously offend you.
Just my 2 cents.
Peter
hope this helps
if you google for "HTC Hermes animated wallpaper" (without the quotes)
you'll come across some interesting articles
st3v3 said:
if this is a joke .... Mwahahahahahah.
if you are serious ... afft noob!
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BE POLITE DONT BE A [email protected] DONT RESPOND IF U CANT GIVE A SIMPLE ANSWER.
odlaw - u gonna need to download flashtheme player
here's a link for u
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?t=175873&highlight=ANIMATED+TODAY+SCREEN
u gonna have to register before u can download...have fun
st3v3 said:
if this is a joke .... Mwahahahahahah.
if you are serious ... afft noob!
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he's got a genuine question...
the long and short of the answer! - Microsoft is not an Apple! it does not think like you and me...
remember the old Henry Ford quote? - "you can have Any colour - so long as it's black.".... look where ford is today... struggling while its japanese rivals have beaten them flat and square!
st3v3 said:
if this is a joke .... Mwahahahahahah.
if you are serious ... afft noob!
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What can we expect from a rude australian eh a kiwi will be most glad to help
shame on you St
should be ashamed of yourself - senior member belittling another member - brilliant example to follow
oh gawd here we go again! just use the god damn search and find...there is zillions of topis for animated wallpaper! use the link in my signature to search!
mirage22 said:
remember the old Henry Ford quote? - "you can have Any colour - so long as it's black.".... look where ford is today... struggling while its japanese rivals have beaten them flat and square!
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I hardly think those two are connected
Odlaw said:
I have a matrix gif that I want to make my backgroung if possible
What is required and how do I make an animated gif as background on a dopod 838 pro.
Links and or cabs for this would be appriciated.
Peter
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There are quit a few projects going on in the Development and Hacking Threads, This will give you some idea on where to start.. I had this running on my Hermes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359730
Here is a simple Today Plugin from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295723
Thanks to you all who has helped with this.
Peter
ai6908 said:
oh gawd here we go again! just use the god damn search and find...there is zillions of topis for animated wallpaper! use the link in my signature to search!
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Boy you are poster child for XDA ........
mcorrie1121 said:
I hardly think those two are connected
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i think he's referring to the business attitude, not the actual color.
i think sometimes some senior members forget the fact that not all members are as knowledgable nor as experienced as they are.
F2504x4 said:
Boy you are poster child for XDA ........
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yea from OLD SCHOOL! got problems with that??
ai6908 said:
yea from OLD SCHOOL! got problems with that??
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Until you know your way around, it is HARD to find anything on XDA, I remember when I first came here, It took me a lot of looking to find anything.
I know this is a developers forum, but its nice, to be, nice?
I don't see why people need to be rude when it wouldn't take any more effort to be nice?
veyka said:
I don't see why people need to be rude when it wouldn't take any more effort to be nice?
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I think mostly it is because these people hate their lives and take it out on people online where they can hide behind their computers.
riz157 said:
i think sometimes some senior members forget the fact that not all members are as knowledgable nor as experienced as they are.
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Also don't think that just because someone is a senior member, automatically means that they know more and have more experience than a Junior Member.
Ever wondered where the guys get the new ROMs?
http://www.ooppc.com/forum-112-1.html
Nethertheless, it's in chinese.
If you're having trouble, just use google translate. It should help.
Now you no longer have to wait to get your hands on new cooking material.
OMG cant read anythin`
NikPraskaton said:
OMG cant read anythin`
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this help:-
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...orum-112-1.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
its all old, there is nothing "new" there.
Maybe so, then again, wanted to share the source with others.
I'm fed up with some ppl's egotistical and high 'n mighty behaviour in here.
Thanks for this
I just love google translator:
"Reply sofa jincr posts
强烈支持！ Strong support! 看看弄个几楼住住！ Nongge look at the floor, a few live live! ！ ! ！ !
哈哈！ . He! 住猴子楼上！ Monkeys live upstairs! 你有罪受了！ You guilty by! ！ ! ！ !
@loskings:
google like google, try translating with babelfish.
comedy guaranteed.
lol
loskings said:
Thanks for this
I just love google translator:
"Reply sofa jincr posts
Strong support! Nongge look at the floor, a few live live! He! Monkeys live upstairs You guilty by!
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LOL: I agree - Google translate is awesome
But these haven't been updated for a while, so I think the chefs get the ROMs from somewhere else. It's probably more a case of who you know than what you know.
adwinp said:
@loskings:
google like google, try translating with babelfish.
comedy guaranteed.
lol
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Babelfish translation:
"Intense support! Has a look to make several Lou Zhu!!!
Ha! Lives in the monkey building! You have received guilty!!!"
(I still am in the dark as to what this means LOL)
I have a work colleague who is Chinese Australian. He can translate it properly with no effort at all.
gtpete said:
I have a work colleague who is Chinese Australian. He can translate it properly with no effort at all.
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That would be awesome to know what the phrase really means!
actually we noticed that Holyfox is active on the forum so maybe some one can PM him/her to get the full run down.
undoftunately my colleague just doesnt have the time to do this for us, sorry!
Hi,
Regarding the Announcements (http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=430), because i respect all the 6 red recommandations, i can add this new post and i hope the moderator won't delete it!
I open this post just to say how bad for the communtiy the ban of Alphazero is!
In fact many of us found his ROMs marvelous but still have some difficulties, some bugs (example With version v7 Fr and GPS) or simply want to discuss about them with him.
I hope this ban won't be too long and i hope that Alphazero will accept to come back here.
If it is not the case does somebody know where (site, forum, ....) he can continue or continue the wonderfull work he has started here???
Regards
I don't know the reason why he's banned - how can I have an opinion?
I second that.. (would like to know the bann reason )
He was nice enough to make a ROM for us Swedes... and that was the first ROM I flashed...
And I'm very happy with it...
I'm not really sure what he did to deserve to be banned,
but He is a contributor to the xda Forum, and I think he deserves a second chance!
Omfg Roflmao
#Offtopic#
1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734#4
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734#10
3. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=2#12
4. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=2#16
Then this come: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=6#60
#Ontopic#
I don't know why he's got banned, but i think he's not followed the rules.
Ex. Respect other players.. or somethink like that, but again
I don't know ;P
i think the reason is between the Mod who did the ban and Alphazero...
I had a query with Alphazero few minutes a go!
He told me that he himself has no idea clearly why he is banned!
all it was said:
a. Non-constructive posts.
b. fighting with other XDA members.
so please bring some light in the whole situation
regards
Anja31
i don't understand
danny_and_2 said:
#Offtopic#
1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734#4
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734#10
3. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=2#12
4. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=2#16
Then this come: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441734&page=6#60
#Ontopic#
I don't know why he's got banned, but i think he's not followed the rules.
Ex. Respect other players.. or somethink like that, but again
I don't know ;P
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Ok....
I read all those posts and i am sorry to say that i don't understand the reason of its bannishement:
Alphazero and tnyynt are talking in a similar way:
=> then if alphazero was banned why tnyynt was not banned?
fana75 said:
Ok....
=> then if alphazero was banned why tnyynt was not banned?
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I just say that it happen after that thread ?
Anyway, tnyynt is a Moderator, maybe thats why xD, but again, i don't know
NisseDILLIGAF said:
I second that.. (would like to know the bann reason )
He was nice enough to make a ROM for us Swedes... and that was the first ROM I flashed...
And I'm very happy with it...
I'm not really sure what he did to deserve to be banned,
but He is a contributor to the xda Forum, and I think he deserves a second chance!
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Can't more agree.........he deserves a second chance.
I also think alphazero deserve a second chance.He really has done some very good work and was usefull for others.Hope this should be rectified by XDA mods, otherwise, people would not be encouraged to work and share things here.
regards
vijay
tell me i am wrong?
i heard he modded someone elses work and tryed to pass if off as his own
please correct me if i am wrong
but there where many things that happened.....and his luck ran out
you can only have so many chances before something has to be done.
ps...is this thread in the right place?
yep
liamhere said:
i heard he modded someone elses work and tryed to pass if off as his own
please correct me if i am wrong
but there where many things that happened.....and his luck ran out
you can only have so many chances before something has to be done.
ps...is this thread in the right place?
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I think "yes" becasue of this trouble we no longer have developpement on those beautifful ROMs
Anyway, tnyynt is a Moderator, maybe thats why xD, but again, i don't know
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for sure:
liamhere said:
i heard he modded someone elses work and tryed to pass if off as his own
please correct me if i am wrong
but there where many things that happened.....and his luck ran out
you can only have so many chances before something has to be done.
ps...is this thread in the right place?
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This WE? WIth the stock application?
Can someone confirm?
Banned if real fault, it's normal! For an EGO/Macho problem with another member (even a modo)...
And banned for how long?
If people are condamned, it's normal to know the sentence...
How can you demand a reduction of pain if you don't know the lenght of the ban...
Maybe a stupid question, but WHY was alphazero banned ???
Belzebuth. said:
This WE? WIth the stock application?
Can someone confirm?
Banned if real fault, it's normal! For an EGO/Macho problem with another member (even a modo)...
And banned for how long?
If people are condamned, it's normal to know the sentence...
How can you demand a reduction of pain if you don't know the lenght of the ban...
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.....and the REAL cause
re
I find it a real shame. People abusing their powers. I think that
aztor has done a lot for this community. I dont see any offence in his public
made comments. And afterall i do think that for doing something for the
community he has entitled also some credits for not banning for some ego war..
mgear said:
I find it a real shame. People abusing their powers. I think that
aztor has done a lot for this community. I dont see any offence in his public
made comments. And afterall i do think that for doing something for the
community he has entitled also some credits for not banning for some ego war..
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so you know all the details for this matter i take it?
liamhere said:
i heard he modded someone elses work and tryed to pass if off as his own
please correct me if i am wrong
but there where many things that happened.....and his luck ran out
you can only have so many chances before something has to be done.
ps...is this thread in the right place?
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I don't know if he did something like that recently, but according to the following link, it seems to me that he accuses another cooker for using his work without giving him the credits, not the opposite. And seeing that AlphaZero's friends is Swtos, makes my mind go round and round like crazy...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2595264&postcount=996
Now, i wonder which part of AlphaZero's ROMs i would want to have? Perhaps the "Full Kernel Mode 5-7% More Speed" and "ULDR Partition Removed". On the other hand, i should give the credits to the creator (Alphazero and Swtos). But what if i don't really like them and have argued with them in the past? What if my egoism and egocentrism don't allow me that? Well, i suppose i would just had to "borrow" their work secretely...
(The last paragraph is pure fiction, of course...)
im not going to commet any more on this...
as i and everyone else here really don't know the full story on this mater.
as this is not really helping.....
[ANTITERROR]Freedom to Alphazero
Hello every body,
Lately we know that the Rom Cooker (Alphazero) has banned because his opinion and nothing else (Except he is a competitor).
We all appreciate all rom cooker in this forum.
But, we don't want any one of the rom cookers to stand on the surfce by letting some one down (i.e. banning the others).
This is called in the world of justice a Terror.
(Similar to Osama Bin Laden.)
And this mean the forum loses his credibility.
Then what we want that the moderator who banned alphazero to show himself if he is a man and honest. And, He shall give us the sensible reason that ca be believed.
Let Justice Begin Upon Him
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mhrsolanki2020 said:
Hello friends there are some links of videos given bellow just look at them and you will have your device unlockedbootloader, rooted and also get some paid apps of market for free..
Comment if it hellped you
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Come on man, get rid of the last link.
Out of all the days..
*se-nsei. said:
Come on man, get rid of the last link.
Out of all the days..
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you're right.
@OP
We're in a developers forum here. People sacrifice their spare time so that other people can profit from it. BTW market apps are mainly cheap and should be considered a little donation to the devs. So nobody here will apreciate your last link
edit: rated thread terrible. - I normally don't do that but in this case ...
theq86 said:
you're right.
@OP
We're in a developers forum here. People sacrifice their spare time so that other people can profit from it. BTW market apps are mainly cheap and should be considered a little donation to the devs. So nobody here will apreciate your last link
edit: rated thread terrible. - I normally don't do that but in this case ...
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sure bro didnt meant to hurt nyones sentiments of he/she (devs) has made it with lot of work will add the point to donate to the devs ...
mhrsolanki2020 said:
sure bro didnt meant to hurt nyones sentiments of he/she (devs) has made it with lot of work will add the point to donate to the devs ...
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I do not think that way is fine either, my opinion. An I do think that you must delete the last link!
Alright guys will delete it
The text of the post still says "and also get some paid apps of market for free.."
I'm just not sure why the OP believed we'd think stealing is cool.
mhrsolanki2020 said:
sure bro didnt meant to hurt nyones sentiments of he/she (devs) has made it with lot of work will add the point to donate to the devs ...
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I don't think hurting their feelings is the issue. Stealing always seeks one's own benefit at the expense of your fellow man. Totally selfish and utterly uncool if you ask me.
who so ever has comented here plz do remove the third link from the comments you have quoted my text in.
helep !!!
i want to put android ice cream 4 to my wildifire s
poiloter said:
helep !!!
i want to put android ice cream 4 to my wildifire s
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So check the forums you posted at wrong place